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8:00 PM
Any second...
 
The election has now ended. The winners will be announced shortly.
 
Did I won?
 
> Election closes momentarily.
 
Zoe
@ElectionBot Slowpoke
 
8:00 PM
I'm on pins and needles I tell you. Pins and needles.
 
32,225 voted :)
 
Oh, never expected these results
 
Zoe
~10% isn't too bad
 
@Pluto See if you can calculate it faster than OpaVote
 
84,747 visited the election page, and 32,225 voted
 
8:01 PM
Now everybody repeatedly refresh the meta questions page
 
Zoe
the election page is probably faster
 
let's test the site for requests per seond
 
Yes, let's crash the servers...
 
Is it too late to say... good luck to all the candidates? ;D
 
expected @ElectionBot to tell us the winners
 
8:01 PM
750,753 voters were eligible, 324,343 visited the site during the election, 84,747 visited the election page, and 32,225 voted
 
The ballot file doesn't seem to work for me - it gives me a "UnicodeDecodeError"
 
Zoe
@Mithical Details schpetails
 
LOL
 
@Mithical The usual tools are probably off because they don't know how to deal with withdrawn candidates
 
I forget who ran the STV parser in the past. Someone in chat knew before Meta
 
8:02 PM
I'm not running my tool because of that
 
change the last few lines to replace unicode characters
 
I ninjad it last year with OpenSTV
 
@Machavity There's a download link.
 
Zoe
There's no way to run it on Linux :c
 
@StephenKennedy There you are! Been wondering where you went off to
 
8:02 PM
This is more exciting than political elections :)
 
@Machavity \o Fingers crossed for you!
 
 
these results are... interesting
 
@MarioGalic The graphics aren't as good...
 
8:03 PM
is there actually an voting system for politcal elections? ....
 
Winners are Makyen and Yvette.
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Crap
 
@DevFlamur Yes. It works by hacking..
 
@Pluto Set it to three seats to get a mostly-correct result
 
Yvette ineligible - suspended in past year :p
 
Lol. Nice try.
 
8:04 PM
Yvette is already disqualified. So who’s third?
 
Winners are Machavity and Makyen.
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There are edge cases where it doesn't work, but we'll see
 
@DanielWiddis As long as it's in category L :-)
 
@Pluto Wouldn't surprise me.
 
ok - system crashed, we need to restart again...
 
8:04 PM
We'll see.
 
rate limited election page, lol
 
👍
 
 
@cs95 If you're referring to the suspension she's under right now - that was a self-requested suspension, and the team has made it clear that those don't affect moderator candidate eligibility
 
Winners are everyone, because we'll have two more mods.
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8:04 PM
"Too many requests" - we broke it :'(
 
i ran it by changing the unicode name
 
@Pluto assuming that's accurate, congrats @Mak and @Mac!
 
@E_net4wasonaboat we'll have two more people not handling custom flags \o/
 
@E_net4wasonaboat This is the truth
 
Zoe
@MarcoBonelli Refresh slower
 
8:05 PM
Congrats to both the macs, you are now Big Macs
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@MartijnPieters You the one handing out the shovels this year?
 
@ElectionBot who won?
 
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Q: 2020 Community Moderator Election Results

CatijaStack Overflow’s twelfth moderator election has come to a close, the votes have been tallied and the two new moderators are: They’ll be joining the existing crew shortly—please thank them for volunteering, and share your assistance and advice with them as they learn the ropes! For details on ho...

 
Zoe
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Q: 2020 Community Moderator Election Results

CatijaStack Overflow’s twelfth moderator election has come to a close, the votes have been tallied and the two new moderators are: They’ll be joining the existing crew shortly—please thank them for volunteering, and share your assistance and advice with them as they learn the ropes! For details on ho...

Dammit xd
 
:P
 
8:05 PM
Ninja'd by Cat.
 
Zoe
So close :')
 
ugh, I'm also rate limited on MSO
 
Once they're up to speed.. let's have another one :)
 
someone kick the bots
 
@Scratte Six months minimum wait. :D
 
8:06 PM
Oh yes! echo 'Congrats to our new mods @Machavity & @Makyen!' | sha256sum - 2c99a3bd104306e7a01a23082b87a3efea34b0ce64a985c35292ea190f9c6f8b
 
user12867493
Why is my congratulation message hated so much :(
 
@Catija Ohh.. but then please do it again in 6 months :)
 
yeah I vote @Machavity
 
@Daniil Not your post to make.
 
@Catija Why are the winners not in the onebox?! :P
 
8:07 PM
Let the moderators deal with it.
 
@Catija Is that a general rule, or is it a one-per-year thing and the next year is in 6 months?
 
your answer isn't an answer
 
why are people downvoting the congratulations answers?
 
Zoe
That got too close to the worst case scenario, oof
 
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Q: 2020 Community Moderator Election Results

CatijaStack Overflow’s twelfth moderator election has come to a close, the votes have been tallied and the two new moderators are: They’ll be joining the existing crew shortly—please thank them for volunteering, and share your assistance and advice with them as they learn the ropes! For details on ho...

 
8:08 PM
@RyanM Standard rule. We only run an election once every six months at most.
 
@Feeds Slowpoke.
 
Anyone want to figure out who the runner up(s) is/are?
 
you got paid for it..?
 
Here's The OpaVote link: opavote.com/results/5154305393819648/0
 
Zoe
4 mins ago, by Pluto
user image
 
8:09 PM
Looking for the 4th place finisher
If we were to call up another
 
@Undo TravisJ would be third
 
yesssssss
sweet
Who's next?
 
Dharman was fourth
 
Last to first: Tschalllacka - CrazyPython - Dharman - Travis J - Makyen - Machavity
 
I didn't won :(
 
8:10 PM
hopefully we don't need a 3rd
 
@Mast you're missing Travis J in third
 
@Catija Thanks, I got hit by that BS rate limit again :p
 
Pap
Congratulations to the people elected and good luck at your job as moderators. :)
 
@Machavity can I have your account? :D
congrat mates!
 
I'm still not sure. But I think I just got nosed out...
 
Zoe
8:11 PM
@DevFlamur Sure you did - have some cake
 
Congratulations to the winners Makyen, Machavity!
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@ouflak Please let us know about the Expatriate election
 
Zoe
@ElectionBot S l o w p o k e
 
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nice badges
 
Hey, I can kick ElectionBot now :p
 
Zoe
8:13 PM
:D
 
not yet
 
Don't let the power get to your head
 
I appreciate all of the time and effort from the candidates to fill out the questionnaire and to answer questions on their nominations and to be available for this - and nominating in the first place. Thank you all. Congratulations to our new SO mods, @Makyen and @Machavity - you're in great company and please, if you need help... ask the 21 other mods ;)
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oh, caching
 
Machavity just turned green for me, so yes yet now
 
8:14 PM
@KevinB F5
 
It also fixes it if you click their username next to their message
 
a new name to ignore
 
*squint*
 
is someone working on the Corona App?
 
It appears that this chatroom has served its purpose. if you enjoyed hanging out with power users and the like while talking about SO matters, The Meta Room will stick around.
Just a suggestion.
 
8:17 PM
It literally only took my computer a second to run the election results, it was easy
 
Nah, I think I'm gunna stick around in here
 
Zoe
@ElectionBot Does that mean we can keep asking you for waffles?
 
Man... that's a lot of flags
 
Need a shovel?
 
meh
 
8:18 PM
Well I'm getting a message that the new moderator agreement is ready for me to accept. So I guess that's a good sign?
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Zoe
I'll sell you an excavator :P
 
Need a bulldozer
 
Welp, now that there are new moderators, we can all go back to flagging as much as we used to...
 
Zoe
@AndrewMyers still at +2 -5
excluding reduced activity xd
 
Well... maybe these 2 are really good...
 
8:20 PM
Anybody know how many new moderators there are across the network?
 
2+
 
I just found out that it's not necessary to sign the moderator agreement in order to become a chat moderator
 
you mean a room owner?
or...
 
Wow. I've got a diamond ♦ beside my name. Wish I could see the results. Kinda neat.
 
>.<
 
8:21 PM
I think they mean 10k for chat flags @KevinB
 
No, I'm referring to actual chat moderator privileges.
That only checks for the diamond on the site, but doesn't check to see if the user has actually signed the agreement
 
You have to sign the mod agreement to stay a mod
 
semantics
 
Hmmh, i got less votes than crazypython. Oh well, someone has to be the one with the least votes. But at least nearly 2500 people believed in me.
It was an intetesting and insightful experience
 
@ouflak here
 
8:25 PM
We all are winners :)
 
 
because we choose to Programm
 
what did i win
 
I used the wrong election method before, sorry about that
These are the correct results
 
passes @KevinB a handful of popcorn
You won popcorn
 
8:26 PM
i don't like popcorn
 
Well. There was only one round in my election.
 
Well.... That's a shame :joy:
 
@ouflak Yes, congratulations on your victory.
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Zoe
@KevinB Cake!
 
8:27 PM
@Mast. Thanks!
 
@KevinB what do you want to win?
 
@ouflak 30 votes out of 57.
Landslide.
 
:-)
 
Zoe
Oh no
 
Who would have thought that kissing all of those babies and cutting all of those opening ceremony ribbons would actually pay off?
 
Yeah. It's the template.
 
Zoe
I noticed xd Same for the 11th election and a similar thing over on Expats
 
@Tschallacka Next time :)
 
8:45 PM
@Zoe It's the .net core migration. It doesn't recognize whitespace in the code.
 
Zoe
oof!
 
wim
how many voted for Yvette? It doesn't show in the results
 
750,753 voters were eligible, 324,343 visited the site during the election, 84,747 visited the election page, and 32,225 voted
 
Zoe
I think Yvette's votes might've been discarded? It really doesn't make sense
 
what doesn't
that people visited and didn't vote?
 
Zoe
8:52 PM
that Yvette didn't show up at all
 
Don't think that was related. A higher percentage of visitors voted than last year's election, or even previous ones.
 
I think it's for the best. Let's not make more of a big deal of it than it already is.
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@Zoe We ran the count without her, which is what we said we'd do. Otherwise, the people who had allocated her the votes wouldn't have had their other choices count as much.
 
There's some folks parsing it in Discord for all the oddities
 
Zoe
Wouldn't that still require a first round elimination? Or is there some other STV magic at work?
 
8:56 PM
STV is always magic
 
I was going to download the data and look for correlations. Not for oddities, just because I love data.
 
OpaVote allows you to count the votes as if a specific candidate was never in the election, so first votes cascade down to second and second to third.
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That makes sense, thanks
Most reasonable way to do it
 
Zoe
oh, cool
 
Heh. The questionnaire is closed: "The problem described here can no longer be reproduced."
So I do have a general question kinda related to the election. I noticed many of the candidates specifically mentioned close votes as part of their qualifications. Do mods spend a lot of time closing, or is that just a "do the time doing things regular users can do" prequalification to flag-handling?
 
8:59 PM
Yeah, I can't even begin to describe how STV works. Step 1: Vote Step 2: [redacted arcane incantations] Step 3: Results
 
I get the first part (Ranked Choice is fairly straightforward), it's the "transferring votes" part that gets confusing. Like the 2018 election
 
That's where the fun starts. :D
 
"fun"
I don't excel at this
 
It's... well... first you check if anyone hit the threshold. If they did, you take the surplus votes and fractionally allocate them to the second choices, proportionally. If no one crossed the threshold, you eliminate the lowest vote-getter and allocate their votes to their second choices, if any... if a ballot has no second vote, you put it in the exhausted pile. As more votes get exhausted, the threshold lowers.
And you just repeat until you have as many winners as seats.
 
just don't think of it as transferring votes
instead, there are simply rounds
your highest choice of candidate that exists in that round gets your vote
 
If you don't transfer votes, how to you get fractional votes?
 
Fractionals come from excess votes of the winnner.
 
@KevinB Yeah... except that's not actually true. They may get all of it... or they may get most of it. :P
 
same difference
 
9:10 PM
Heck, in a three-seat election, if all three of your top candidates are still in the race, you could have partial votes counting for all three, simultaneously.
(assuming two of them have already hit the threshold)
 
If enough candidates are eliminated such that there are only as many candidates as slots, the remaining candidates are elected without reaching the threshold
 
You can see on the final round transfer that the red bar deducted from Makyen helped put Machavity over the top. So there are a lot of people who ended in the final tally with 85.5% of a vote to Mak and 14.5% of a vote to Mac.
 
@gparyani No? That's why the threshold drops every round as votes are exhausted.
 
wim
@Catija that means their second and third choices just counted as their first and second choices, instead, or am I missing something?
 
@Catija It's still the same proportion of non-exhausted votes, however.
 
Pap
9:15 PM
In case you didn't notice, election is over :-)
 
@wim Essentially. We make the assumption that someone's second choice would have been their first choice if their first choice wasn't in the election.
 
wim
ok, seems fair enough with the hand that was dealt.
 
@Pap "Over? Did you say over? Nothing is over until we decide it is!"
 
As an example here, Travis J still didn't meet the threshold in the last round after surplus votes were redistributed from Makyen, but still they would have been elected had the election been three slots even if there aren't enough surplus votes to push them past the threshold.
 
If there were three slots, the election would have had a much lower threshold.
 
9:18 PM
Oh, yeah, missed that.
@Pluto By the way, what did you do to fix the corrupted initial ballot file and run the election?
 
In fact, I've poked around and there have been times when changing the number of seats can drastically change the outcome. For example, if there's someone who gets a ton of first choice votes but almost no second or third, they may win by crossing the lower threshold in the first round of a three-slot race... but in a two-slot race, never end up collecting enough votes to cross the line.
 
@ouflak Congratulations!
@DanielWiddis Mods don't do all that much closing. That is mostly left to the community. Mods typically focus on doing stuff the community can't do. However, when mods come across off-topic questions, whether organically or via flag, they close them. And mods come across more questions per day than the typical user.
 
@Cody Gray, Thanks!
 
@outflak I see you're in Manchester. Represent :)
 
wim
I've a hunch it may have been Yvette's plan all along to nominate and quit mid election, for maximum visibility. From what I saw on meta this user seems to be a lightning rod for drama and it would be very "on-brand" for them
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9:22 PM
@CodyGray Though (and correct me if I'm wrong, obviously) the amount of closing a given mod does is entirely up to them. Bill the Lizard, a former moderator, did so much close reviewing that a meta question was posted complaining that it was messing with the leaderboard.
 
@wim +1
 
@wim I'm not sure that sort of speculation is productive.
 
@RyanM Yes, of course. What good is having these privileges if you aren't allowed to actually use them? Mods can close as much as they want. I have higher close-vote stats than most mods, mostly from hanging out in SOCVR.
It's not uncommon for mods to get a diamond and think, alright, I'mma go through and clean out the close vote queue! And then...after a solid couple of hours... they never visit them again. :-)
 
probably a healthier alternative is dedicating 45 mins to an hour in them each day
that'd probably land you close to 100 reviews a day
Sam does that on occasion
 
@RyanM Bill was the reason I got into CVQ reviewing. The best days where when he just did 41 or 42 close vote reviews. Teasing us.
 
9:30 PM
Yeah, the mod queue is quite different from any of the normal review queues. Those give you nice, neat options and you don't see everything under the sun. Still trying to filter out what's actually important
 
You don't need a filter, all of it is important ...
 
Good luck, @Machavity. If I ever stood for election my position would be "All the other candidates who want to be moderators are insane. I am sane. Don't vote for me." ;)
 
You would probably be elected
 
And then, because I'm that kinda person, I'd do what was needed, and become insane over time, I suppose.
I try to hit the close votes daily but my brain goes numb at about 15-20.
 
wim
what is actually rewarding about being an elected moderator?
 
9:34 PM
Elected ♦ moderators are essential to keeping the site clean, fair, and friendly.
 
@DanielWiddis I usually take a break in the middle and come back hours later
 
wim
electionbot you are missing the point again..
 
@wim You know how you hate cleaning the house, but yet there's nothing better afterwards than the feeling of a clean house?
 
I might try to do that, @RyanM. These elections always motivate me to want to help out more. (But not actually commit to having to do so!)
 
wim
@CodyGray ok but that's why you pay for a cleaner..
 
9:37 PM
Haha, yeah
 
@CodyGray I really like this metaphor
 
@DanielWiddis do know we have a chatroom for close vote reviewers (SOCVR) where you can hangout while moderating.
 
Yeah, I'll head over there once I get kicked out of this one when it closes. ;)
 
you're welcome ;)
 
@wim there are just people out there that have an intrinsic motivation to do that. it's like asking why someone wants to be a priest (may no be the best comparison). the motivation to help and to develope something interesting (Stack Overflow) is enough for some people to invest time in it. like a hobby
 
wim
9:40 PM
I get that, as a regular user creating content is also an investment of time
but handling flags like its a game of fruit ninja or zombie vs plants, there must be something more rewarding than just handling flags .. maybe there's some camaraderie or something?
 
Why did I review thousands of terrible questions in the Close Vote queue? ...well, I don't rightly know, but there's a lot less crap now... More opportunity for good questions to shine and get helpful answers :-)
 
wim
the "feeling of a clean house" can only be fleeting when there are constantly new visitors stepping in and they don't take off their shoes first ..
 
And that moment where you spend a minute deciding exactly what category to mark when closing and get "This was only a test..."
 
yeah
 
@DanielWiddis XDD
 
9:43 PM
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Q: Improve election results message

GlorfindelWhen an election is finished, the following message is shown: The results of this election can be viewed online via OpaVote.Download the election data and use OpenSTV for windows or mac to audit the results. Can we: separate both sentences with a space properly capitalize Windows either ...

 
The election has ended. The winners are: Makyen, Machavity. You can [view the results online via OpaVote]().
 
... not helpful.
 
Zoe
@ElectionBot ... twice?
unless...
election results
okay xd
@Catija Thanks ^^
 
@ElectionBot cc @SamuelLiew on the bug in that message in case this gets lost in backlog
 
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I wonder what post holds the record for the highest number of upvotes within 1 hour
 
wim
9:54 PM
we need reneBot SedeBot to answer such questions
 
Three hyphens, not tildes.
 
wim
yes thanks I got there eventually
we also need github flavored markdown in chat
 
We don't even have GitHub flavored Markdown on the main site...
 
wim
the three backticks code fence was a step in the right direction though
 

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