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11:00 PM
@sbi I would have guessed that a C# room would be the most popular, since there are 3x as many C# questions as there are C++ questions on Stack Overflow.
The obvious reason that the C++ room is more "successful" is that C++ developers are nicer people ;-)
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Their the loners at home. The C# folks are partying.
:)
 
@StackedCrooked I don't know about that: there are at least two people in here that program in C# now.
 
They are the exception that prove the rule :p
One thing I do find odd though
many of the best C++ programmers seem to come from Poland, Romania, Russia, ...
 
Do they?
 
@StackedCrooked I'm not from Russia or Poland
 
11:06 PM
Is it just my impression then? I have no numbers on this.
Tony, you're an exception :)
 
and I knew quite a folks that are pretty darn good C++ programmers that aren't from there either
 
You are special.
 
throw Tony;
 
Ok, perhaps I'm just imagining stuff.
 
Until he is thrown, he cannot be an exception.
 
11:07 PM
@JamesMcNellis I've become an exception eh... lol :P
@JamesMcNellis so you could call my what() function and see what caused me to throw
and I'd say: "@StackedCrooked caused a disruption that could not be recovered from" :P
 
I'm the cause of the exception being thrown.
The culprit.
Damnit.
 
@sbi I definitely wouldn't, but then again... not been around C++ long enough to know
@DavidRodríguezdribeas whoever wants to code in Javascript or Android??? Those languages really don't take my fancy.
 
Did you see some of the recent interviews on msdn "channel9"?
 
@StackedCrooked which ones?
 
"People say they're in love with C++ and they say it with a straight face. I've never met anyone who's in love with C#." -- Kate Gregory
 
11:10 PM
@James that one
C++ seems to be a language that invokes passion
 
@JamesMcNellis that was an awesome interview
 
more than other languages
 
@StackedCrooked it does invoke passion! I've fallen in love with C++
 
@Tony I like the implicit message there, maybe too subtle?
 
it exudes niceness....
 
11:11 PM
Perhaps that explains some of the socialness of C++ developers.
 
@DavidRodríguezdribeas what?
 
Android can be programmed with either Java (which is compiled to something slightly different from bytecode, or the VM is slightly different or something on those lines, but the language is Java) or in C++ (and the application launched with JNI)
 
I've been excited about nice languages such as Ruby, Haskell and Clojure. But it tends to fade. My passion for C++ keeps growing steadily.
So, I agree with the interview.
 
@DavidRodríguezdribeas I've never coded in Android, so I'm pretty ignorant on it
I wonder if you could get passionate about assembler? :P
 
I thought C++ support was limited.
 
11:14 PM
-- Many of the best C++ programmers come from Poland, Romania, Russia...
-- I am not from Russia or Poland
 
Ergo: you are not one of the many best C++ programmers. QED!
 
@DavidRodríguezdribeas I wasn't trying to mean or anything
just saying what is the case
 
Syllogistic fallacy!
 
You can logically deduce that he does not belong to the many good programmers in Poland, Romania or Russia.
That's about it I guess. :)
 
No, languages are like games, they really succeed when they have the right balance of difficulty proportional to the rewards. C++ has just the right proportion of pain to gain
 
11:15 PM
@JamesMcNellis I'm by no means anywhere near 'good', I'm a n00b, @sbi can testify
@DavidRodríguezdribeas no pain, no gain!
 
Yesterday I learned about int.
 
lol
 
So useful.
 
@StackedCrooked as in, integer?
 
LOL... can I quote that? "yesterday I learnt about int... so useful"
 
11:17 PM
Sure.
 
@Tony I was just kidding, trying to finish the syllogism.
 
@JamesMcNellis oh ok
 
@DavidRodríguezdribeas The problem with C++ is that there is an enormous amount of pain. Sure, there's also an incredible amount of gain to balance it out, but there's a lot of pain
 
I think I could enjoy coding in C#. I used to like Java before I learnt C++
 
@DavidRodríguezdribeas I quite enjoy C#, however I enjoy C++ more...
 
11:20 PM
I like using it more than I thought I would.
 
C# has some nice features that make life easy
 
C# is a more complete language (then again all I know from C# is just a couple of articles and reading C# 4.0 in a nutshell up to page 95 or so... out of 1000, just the basics
 
@DavidRodríguezdribeas C# was a very nice language. and it still is a nice language (IMHO), even after Microsoft's best efforts at featurizing.
 
I just hope they overdo do it
cause there's a limit to making it easier on the 'programmer'
 
Careful
 
11:22 PM
I shares with Java the simplicity of basic memory management, but at the same time it has better features (real reference semantics when calling methods, delegates, lambdas, stack objects!)
 
You may end up with VB.
 
some people that 'code' in C# are really not coders and should be away from the keyboard as far as possible
@StackedCrooked I have ended up with VB before.... bwah :(
too verbose in my opinion
 
And too sucky.
 
true
 
I only used VB6 though. Perhaps .net is better.
 
11:24 PM
@Tony I think that making things simple is a pretty damn good goal to keep in mind when developing a language. It does not have to be painful for most users, if it also allows greater control for those willing to take the blows.
 
Reminds me of this guy.
He wanted to do everything in Excel.
Even programming jobs.
 
@Tony That can be stated about each and every language
 
sbi
@JamesMcNellis Oi! Don't throw out @Tony around. That might hurt innocent bystanders!
 
@DavidRodríguezdribeas it can probably, but I have only seen it with C# explicitly
esp where i work
@DavidRodríguezdribeas yes keeping simple is a good goal, but that attracts idiots to our industry, and we really don't need them
 
In a company I worked we developed a distributed video surveillance system. The core was C++, the UI was C#. The guy that did it had huge amounts of copy-n-paste (in particular all handlers for the PTZ (pan-tilt-zoom -- movable camera) was handled in different functions of about 60 lines that differed only in one constant. 16 of them.
That guy would have copied in any language
 
11:27 PM
it frustrates me to no end that people write such horrid code and think they did a good job, which is the worst part
<rant> don't even get me started on copy-pasting of code that causes duplicates</rant>
I have seen too much of it
 
As it used to say here yesterday (I think the quote is attributable to DeadMG) may times shortcuts aren't. Those people will endure their share of pain when maintenance comes back
 
c# is good to start, because you can forget many things, but it doesn't make you a real programmer IMO
 
gotta dash - laters!
 
I remember wanting to learn C++ because it seemed that all "real" programs were written in either C or C++.
Like Windows, Office, and games.
 
11:31 PM
One of our clients in the financial market uses C# in their algorithm trading in one office and C++ in a different office for the same purpose. At the end of the day there is no difference in performance (or they would have switched to C++ in both locations). Then again, that is not code written by novices, but neither is the code in C++.
 
And I wanted to be a "real" developer.
The financial market. I would think C# better suited for this.
 
@StackedCrooked why?
Traders are, more than many other businesses, focused on performance. In particular in optimizing latency
 
@David does it involve forms and stuff?
 
No, not at all
 
11:35 PM
c# is good for designing forms
in fact, i can't do it in c++
 
And C++ is good for designing C#.
 
well, some for presentation to the traders, but most of it is implementing an algorithm that buys/sells and do it faster.
@BlackBear What do you use to design forms? What IDE/technologies?
I have seen people using QT / QT Creator and developing forms quite fast and easily
 
@DavidRodríguezdribeas with c++ i read many times about messages handling, windows registering etc, i just tried one time with vs6 (which sucks)
 
@BlackBear: VS6 is now thirteen years old. Of course it sucks
 
VS 6 is layers of pain on top of open wounds
It pretty much sucked 13 years ago, and unlike good wines, VS6 did not get better with time.
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11:39 PM
well i have vs2008 now, but i'm quite busy
 
You have the ability to do things that other languages protect you from -- Kate Gregory
 
11:58 PM
@DavidRodríguezdribeas that's why it's for pros
 

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