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5:05 PM
I could watch Baum kick our butts all day...
 
... and end up losing the actual election, because STV ...
 
chuckle
 
STV you mean transferable votes?
 
Yeah.
Every one of the top 10 candidates has a chance.
Remember that Jeremy won from the 9th position
 
Well, just get >50% to vote for you on first place, then STV can't shoot you down anymore
 
Zoe
5:07 PM
... I just realized I've been spelling STV wrong :')
 
@ErikA the first is the hard part ...
@Yvette won from the 6th position, IIRC ...
 
5:22 PM
@BhargavRao lol I checked my 2016 election page and just saw I voted for you in first place, then Samuel then Andy 😀 I didn't remember that anyway...
 
5:33 PM
@BhargavRao Hmm, that's the best point I've seen to date. I forgot about him
 
there's only two open positions this time, however
probably wasn't the case when Jeremy was elected
 
So there is something to be said for STV. He edged out meagar (#2 in the primary)
 
fascinating!
 
Ironically, he's not a mod anymore and is currently on temp ban
 
I like how maturely the community handled his expulsion from moderatorship.
 
5:41 PM
It's only been a year but alas my memory fails me. Will Opavote display a running count of votes, or is it secret until the result is declared?
 
@StephenKennedy I think it only takes a minute or two to run. We typically know within a minute of poll closure
 
@Machavity I meant, during the election can we see the vote tally or is the vote count secret until the poll has closed?
 
Oh, yes, the vote tallies are kept secret
 
@Machavity I tried running the 2018 election in OpenSTV and it was completed in a second.
 
@smileycreations15 Who won?
 
5:54 PM
@StephenKennedy The same users. It is so fast to calculate votes.
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre hah, thanks :)
 
Zoe
6:36 PM
@Machavity So we have to wait another 4 days >.>
 
@Zoe 6 days until the election ends
 
Zoe
yeah
 
We can end it earlier ... just suspend 9 candidates :p
Oh no cat on keyboard, you got suspended
 
12:00 AM: election ends
12:02 AM: winners announced
 
We'll announce it here even before that... (unofficial)
20:00:00 UTC election ends ... 20:00:05 announced..
 
6:45 PM
aw, that totally spoils the surprise :P
 
Gotta buy some dark glasses... ;)
 
What, so you can look cool giving your acceptance speech on meta?!
 
Nah, so you can not see any spoilers until it is announced
 
a cheaper option would be to close the tab. Especially since I'd need prescription glasses
 
Zoe
@coldspeed No, so the glasses match the darkness of the candidate suspension deeds ;p
 
6:51 PM
Wat, close the tab and miss the opportunity of buying glasses?
Always go for the better option.
 
If I withdraw, does the primary automatically progress to election?
 
Time for science!
 
lol
 
@TravisJ I've been wondering the same thing. :-)
 
:)
 
6:56 PM
The science gods demand a sacrifice!
 
@TravisJ Not now. If you withdraw prior to the launch of the primary it would.
 
Okay, thanks @GypsySpellweaver
I will not ask how you know that, but will insinuate that I am interested in knowing
 
@GypsySpellweaver One would hope that's the way it was written, but has it been tested?
 
Question for candidates: What all post notice types are there on Stack Overflow (main + meta)?
(There are 7 in total, IIRC)
 
@Makyen Which half? The prior to primary has happened semi-frequently on smaller sites.
 
7:02 PM
@GypsySpellweaver I must admit I'd assumed that part had been tested. I was mostly interested in the half that corresponds to where we are in the process now.
 
The "instant close" option proposed would require a manual override to the running system, which I doubt the CMs would do. Especially as the beginning of final voting is already scheduled and it would be unfair to users to change that now.
 
@GypsySpellweaver I quite agree that it shouldn't happen. I was just wondering if it was really written that way, and if it had been tested (i.e. we all have bugs sometimes). Nothing other than interest, though.
 
@Makyen I doubt that it's been tested "live", but I suspect that the routines are time-driven rather than even driven.
 
So, it was more of an opinion than fact.
 
And, yes bugs do happen. Even in the election process.
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Q: Election phase started with no candidates

gparyaniI just noticed that the 2019 pro-tem election moved to the Election phase with no candidates nominating. Which means it's impossible to vote. I thought that if the nomination phase of an election finishes with no candidates nominating, it's supposed to be extended. But why didn't that happen? I...

 
7:14 PM
That was a different process though.
 
I think we need to establish what the expected behaviour is before we talk about bugs :) I don't suppose a field has ever narrowed before to 10 during a primary before?
 
@TravisJ I suppose it's possible to remove all doubt, and give it a live test. :)
 
Yeah, that post shouldn't have been there... it'd have been nice if the election completed without candidates ... and the automatic meta post was auto generated welcoming no candidates ..
 
@GypsySpellweaver That's what I'd expect. I'd expect it to only check the condition at the point when a choice is being made to have, or not have, a primary. However, in order to update the UI during the nomination phase, it may make that check at each time a candidate submits their nomination or withdraws.
 
@GypsySpellweaver and we're back to science! :P
 
7:15 PM
:-)
 
@TravisJ What are you willing to sacrifice in the name of "science"?
 
@Makyen Point of order Mr Speaker - more science needed.
 
@GypsySpellweaver I'm not willing to potentially significantly confuse the electorate by having the dates of the actual election actually change.
 
@GypsySpellweaver Given the odds of nothing happening, I wouldn't want to waste effort. Perhaps I would be willing to sacrifice some sort of hand drawn circle.
@Makyen That is also a good point... kinda of. It seems that most users aren't paying attention to the dates, and the ones that do would easily adjust.
 
@TravisJ And now, back to reality. ;P
 
7:21 PM
Still strongly curious though.
 
Code only self answers are the hardest NAA flags to handle ... we don't know if it should be an answer, or an edit to the post. :\
 
example?
 
@TravisJ Yes, the disruption probably wouldn't be all that much. But, it would be irresponsible to court that possibility just to test. OTOH, if someone actually wants to withdraw, then they should be permitted to do so.
 
Err... I thought the message was self-sufficient :p
 
Which is why it should just keep the primary going, if someone withdraws.
 
7:25 PM
Let's ask #11 to withdraw 5 minutes before the primary ends and see if primary ends 5 minutes earlier
(just kidding)
 
@smileycreations15 Does that software allow you to rerun the election using different types of STV?
 
@StephenKennedy Yes. You can run with OpenSTV which is available on the election page after the election has ended. Or you can do online with OpaVote.
 
Zoe
7:47 PM
@coldspeed Meh, I could use all the time I can get to catch up ;)
 
nou, the IST is on my side.
what you gain now, you lose then
 
8:13 PM
Guys can I vote ?
 
Thank you. But I don't know any moderator
 
Zoe
@coldspeed The gap has closed with almost 100 votes since this morning
And has since I opened the primaries gotten 134/141 votes and the gap decreases with another 7 votes
 
and how to vote...is it just the vote up?
 
 
Zoe
8:16 PM
@MobyKhan Vote up the ones you like, down the ones you don't. Basically meta-style voting
 
nope. You can vote up or down for each candidate. Obviously not both ;)
 
Zoe
@Jean-FrançoisFabre If you don't vote, that's kinda the same as upvoting and downvoting at once!! :p
 
Zoe
@Undo ooh, that's noticeable too :D
 
you need 2 mice to vote up & down at the same time, though
 
8:17 PM
And you I lose any reputations for voting up or down
 
Zoe
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Macros.
@MobyKhan There's no rep loss or gain for anyone. If you downvote, the candidate doesn't lose rep, nor do you. If you upvote, the candidate doesn't gain rep.
 
That would be great: vote but it'll cost you rep.
 
It would be the very first vote of my life :)
 
Zoe
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Next election: the margins are in 1 digit votes
 
Can I up vote all
 
8:19 PM
wait, we need to see some id :)
 
Zoe
@MobyKhan You could. You could also downvote all if you feel like it
 
you can vote all up, but it's not really useful...
you can vote Zoe up. That would please her.
 
Zoe
@Jean-FrançoisFabre ^^"
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Participation votes? /shrug
sorry, couldn't remember the term xd
 
primary you mean?
 
Zoe
No, participation votes. Kinda like a participation trophy.
I just realized that made a lot more sense in my head ^^"
 
8:24 PM
I bet :)
 
voting gets you a badge, right?
 
yes.
wooo
and cake
 
@KevinB 600 upvotes on questions is a gold badge. 300 upvotes in total is a silver
 
I think Kevin meant "in the elections"
 
Zoe
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Real cake if you vote for me :p
 
8:26 PM
ok done. cheesecake please. Or lemon pie
 
i think all you get is the caucus badge, which is just from visiting
 
Oh, yeah. There's a bronze for visiting during the nomination or primary. There's a silver for voting during the election itself
 
and there's a strange diamond shaped badge for winning.
 
it might make you blue, tho
 
I could live with it.
 
8:31 PM
@Zoe If we keep primarying another 2 weeks, you'll catch up to Baum ;)
 
Zoe
@Machavity I even have the perfect song for that :p
@Machavity I can't catch up with the 3rd though. The 2k gap and considerably higher vote count makes it virtually impossible at this rate
 
@Zoe possibly. But from what I've seen your growth rate may not be enough to take 4th before primaries end. I could be wrong. Keep your fingers crossed I guess :p
 
Zoe
I'll catch up eventually
The question is just how lucky I get :*
 
@Zoe you're doing well for a car
no matter how many times I reset Undo tracker "accumulated change" column, Baum ends up with more points...
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre /inb4 Arpit makes a comeback and is elected as mod :|
 
Zoe
8:39 PM
@Jean-FrançoisFabre ^^"
 
Baum votes are invalidated because you can't vote for a tree, and all votes are reported to Arpit
 
do people have a thing against trees, what is this?
 
Zoe
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Robin Hood comes and takes all the votes from the rich and gives them to the community
 
I like leaning against trees.
@Zoe hey this isn't a Disney cartoon. People could actually die
 
Zoe
> Said Jean to the anthro wolf
Seems legit :p
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Once Upon a Time told that story better though
well, until the last season on Netflix... Kinda killed the point imo
 
8:43 PM
note that villains die in Disney cartoons. But they die by falling from big heights, seen from the top, so they just disappear. TV Tropes call that "Disney death". Clean, no blood, nothing.
Spoiler: in Die Hard, it's a Disney death for instance.
 
@Undo: The user urls in the primary monitor are formatted incorrectly: https://stackoverflow.com//users/ <-- double /
 
@Zoe I don't have Netflix...
 
Literally unusable.
 
Zoe
@Cerbrus They still redirect properly
@Jean-FrançoisFabre It's not exclusively on Netflix though
 
Did I say they were broken?
 
8:46 PM
works for me too
 
Also, "Literally unusable" was sarcastic
 
Zoe
Oh ^^"
Nvm then
 
sarcastic isn't going to fly here, sorry.
 
Bugs that trouble OCD > Bugs that break critical functionality
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That's okay, I always consider my sense of humour to be very grounded.
@coldspeed You just earned my vote :D
Oh, and Zoe / Jean lost'm :D
 
8:51 PM
I was being sarcastic BTW.
 
My man, @Cerbrus, he gets it
 
It was all a test ;-)
 
Zoe
@Cerbrus huh?
 
My vote, you lost it.
 
Zoe
Oh well, I'm still getting closer to coldspeed :>
@Cerbrus Does that mean you can't fly?
 
9:02 PM
I'm a wolf... We don't fly.
 
Zoe
You haven't ever jumped off the edge of a canyon to land on a lower surface that's low enough to survive the fall, but big enough to kinda be like flying?
 
A canyon? In the Netherlands?
 
Laf
Aren't canyons a standard view in the Netherlands landscape? I thought they were everywhere :\
Everyone knows Netherlands is dutch for Canyonlands anyways.
 
Zoe
meh, they aren't everywhere. Same with fjords. They're triggered b a specific geological event for the area
 
@Zoe Still make a grand "flying" leap.
 
Zoe
9:14 PM
well, there's that and parachuting...
 
Esp for a 3-headed hound that looks like a wolf.
Wouldn't parachuting be a leap in flight?
 
Zoe
It's probably fun until the parachute doesn't work
 
Canyons, coyotes, non-working parachutes, now that's familiar
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Smeep, Smeep
 
Big rocks, dynamite, tunnels...
 
9:22 PM
@Maartenw thank you! :)
 
@Cerbrus I guess you missed this
 
is it me or has the padding on code blocks been increased?
 
user3956566
@BhargavRao there were 3 positions. Both times I came third in the actual election - not primaries. It's also important to note the downvotes. In the election there's no downvotes. Though I agree STV does make it more unpredictable.
 
@Cerbrus Wanted to see how long it took for someone to notice
Was a fifty fifty shot whether it was going to be right when I set it up in a hurry
 
A couple of years? :P
 
10:31 PM
@YvetteColomb Well I certainly can't complain so far. =D
Doing better than before, but still, I'll probably need every vote.
Evening, everybody! o/
 
Woot, just got an answer to a question from '15, and it even looks useful. Time to try that.
 
Greetings O' Great All-Seeing Tree.
 
11:24 PM
Which candidate can beatbox the best?
 
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