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3:00 PM
@tomdietrich Wasp Pollination Framework?
(do wasps pollinate? I don't know.)
 
sure they do!
 
Wasps don't pollinate, they kill.
 
why wouldn't they?
where do you think we get wasp honey?
 
I...
 
or "woney" as it is commonly called
it's the chief export of Wales
 
3:02 PM
I've never knowingly had wasp honey
 
well it's mostly used for Turkish delight, and as a lubricating agent
 
that's why I've never had it
can't stand Turkish delight
 
:o
you don't know what's good
btw I made all that up about wasp honey
I have no idea if wasp's pollinate or make honey
honey is just bee vomit though, so I imagine that wasps vomit too
Brachygastra mellifica, commonly known as the Mexican Honey Wasp, is a small Neotropical paper wasp that is distributed from southern Texas and extreme southeastern Arizona in the United States south through Mexico and Central America. The specific name means "honey-making," and this species is well-known as one of the very few insects other than bees to produce and store honey. It is a dark wasp with some yellow bands on the abdomen, and very fine, slightly shining golden-brown pubescence on the body. The nests are constructed out of paper, placed among the branches of trees and shrubs...
well there you go
 
Evening all
 
hello
 
3:12 PM
Hi, this is now the Wasp channel. We are discussing wasps.
 
lol
 
thats what i am thinking
 
Sweet.
 
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evening? where are you jamie?
 
3:13 PM
I do not like wasps, my face blew up cause one stung me..
 
I'm in England :D
 
Now i have no face :)
 
i was stung on the tongue by a bee
 
o_O
 
well that aint good @Xaisoft :)
 
3:13 PM
evening?
how is 4PM evening?
 
more like afternoon
11:15 here
 
I have a weird sense of time.
 
11:15 m
am
 
Lol thats obvious :)
 
3:14 PM
In the rural American South, "evening" (pronounced /ˈiːvnɪn/) often describes the entire late afternoon, especially when the main meal of the day, dinner, is taken in the early afternoon; evening is thus anytime after dinner.
 
Well im not southern american, im northern american :)
 
To be fair it rains so much here in England direct sunlight is quite the rarity.
It's always dark.
 
Heini, where are u from? Your name indicates a scandanavian country to me
 
Not quite Scandinavian, but the name has its roots in Germany
I'm from the Faroe Islands
 
ok
the smoking o threw me off
 
3:16 PM
ah yes, the Faroe Islands, #2 world producer of Wasp Honey
 
non-smoking
 
Omg can we stop talking about wasps?
 
lol okay sorry
 
i really dont like em, make another room if you want to talk about wasps / bees
 
wasps? we don't even have bees here
 
3:17 PM
u better not let them know that
 
we only have wasps
only wasps
 
I like turtles.
 
u'll have one knocking at your door like that cockroach in that commercial asking to use the telephone or something
 
AH! i feel like im getting stung right now :)
 
actually there was one in the office just recently... why can't these guys just die? it's almost winter!
 
3:18 PM
not quite, october 26 i think, i loose track of time easily
 
oooh its the start of the nba season
 
Hey I'm actually right for once!
 
well, we just had snow here for a couple of days
 
am i the only one who cares?
 
Ya
I like football myself
 
3:18 PM
i like that too
my my niners suck
 
Lol cant suck as bad as the lions 0-16 WTF?
 
thank god for the san fran giants representing
lol
 
and thank god for the wings and tigers
lions and tigers and wings, oh my!
 
haven't been following hockey
i have a backup football team, the ravens :)
 
Neither have I lol
Ya ravens are quite good
Wow I didn't know that every team has lost a game this year..
 
3:21 PM
yeah
kc was the last
perfect team i think
but then they lost
to the colts
 
How do I print to the debug output in VS(05) ?
 
System.Debug.WriteLine() i think, hold on
System.Diagnostics.Debug.WriteLine()
It also has some conditional stuff
WriteIf(), and Indenting :)
 
It's a shame you can't give/take rep in the chat room.
 
Oh dear a whole new level of debugging tools I havnt used before.
(Also seriously football in the c# room?)
 
Yep :)
And ya, there needs to be a way to add rep
someone post something on meta!
 
3:26 PM
why?
 
Or at least highlight messages that are useful
 
You can star them
 
Do they give rep?
I'm not obsessed honest lol
 
Sadly, No afaik
 
I was on this last night and there were a lot of good questions and answers floating about
 
3:27 PM
This needs to be fixed, cause if you answer questions... you need rep :)
 
chat isn't a replacement for the site
 
I know.. I like the idea though..
 
if you've got a question, put it on the site
 
I agree @Richard
Now gimmie rep
 
Yes, but if it is a simple question, then dont clutter stackoverflow, just chat it!
 
3:28 PM
also, it is perfectly valid to say "hey that's a good question, you should post it on the site. i'll answer there"
 
Lol gimme rep :)
Yes, but that could take valuable time, especially if you are on a deadline...
 
post it on meta if you feel strongly about it
i'd just prepare for downvotes
 
Hmm, maybe..
 
public int GimmieRep () {
return 1;
}
 
Lots of talk about C# I see
 
3:29 PM
ack, code fail...
 
your returning void
 
haha, edit wins
 
I'd rather have public int Rep { get { return 1; } } but okay :)
 
it should be this:
public int GimmeRep()
{
return ++myRep;
}
You need to increment ur rep lol
 
3:31 PM
thats what i am thinking
 
technically that's open to abuse
 
That's bad mojo, reading a value should never change the object.
public void IncrementRep () { myRep++; } public int GetRep () { return myRep; }
 
ya maybe..
 
@Pete agreed
 
but gimmerep() in this context, means I want more rep, give it to me :)
 
3:32 PM
gimmierep ();
 
no,
for (int i = 0; i < 100; i++)
this.gimmerep();
 
Maybe rep is the wrong word, perhaps Kudos? It was just a thought that's all.
 
public WaspControl () { new WaspObject (); }
 
you can star posts
 
Omg no wasps again :) idc really
 
3:33 PM
I guess it's a good alternative, never realised that you could probably abuse rep giving if it was through chat.
 
starring dont give you rep!!
 
and there have been one-off mentions of those giving 1 rep. not sure anyone has actually posted it on meta though.
 
but can you post stars?
 
You can always pop your question in the chat, how, dunno...
 
@RichardJRossIII, post on meta or
 
3:34 PM
 

Chat feedback

Problems with chat? Let us know...
 
wasp.Bite();
 
@rchern I don't think it'd be a good idea. Chat has a habit of moving much faster ... maybe 1/100 rep? ;)
 
Hmm, maybe...
@chris Console.WriteLine("ouch!");
 
wasp.Sting (); // Ow
 
3:35 PM
@sres Console.Write("Ahh, pls stop!");
 
@Chris: I've never been bitten by a wasp ... maybe an ant
 
wasp.Swat ();
 
Lucky, its not a world of fun..
 
@Sres me.Swat(wasp);
 
none of that VB chat in here please
 
3:36 PM
this.Swat(wasp);
 
indeed
 
VB = UGLY imo
 
in.deed()
 
What is this 'me' thing
 
lol me = this in VB
 
3:36 PM
how many of you use extensions?
 
that would be me
 
ME all of the time
 
fancy THIS?
 
@Xaisoft: VS extensions or extension methods?
 
ok 1
 
3:36 PM
I like extension methods
 
extension methods
 
Yes extension methods
 
they like you
 
i'm wondering if it is underused
 
Wow theres actually a consesus about that...
 
3:37 PM
the last one I used was ToPascalString for network communication
 
Anyone who uses the System.Linq library uses extension methods
 
Yep, i use linq all the time
 
Anyone who writes LINQ queries uses extension methods underwater
 
Especially for XML
 
LINQ frazzles my brain
 
3:37 PM
I don't often write my own extension methods
But I use them all the time
 
yeah, but I'm talking about creating your own extension methods
 
@sres, it can be a pain to learn... but its very powerful
 
LINQ is great
 
regex is a pain to learn
 
@RichardJRossIII Aye, I need a course on it I think, I just can't get my head around it, must be my age
 
3:38 PM
OMG dont get me started on regex..
its ugly
 
@Sres I highly recommend learning LINQ - it's worth the effort to think in terms of what you want, not how to get it
 
Lol im only 14 and i've learned it mostly..
 
xaisoft: You never learn regex, you copypaste and read articles over and over and over and over..
 
once you make the mental jump, it will really improve a lot of your code
 
Get LinqPad at LinqPad.net
its very good
im sure most would agree
 
3:39 PM
@Xaisoft.Giveyourep()
 
I have linqpad, I wish I had the time to learn it, perhaps over xmas seeing as I have no holidays left until April and it'll be quiet at work heh
 
it's not hard to learn, very simple
 
what is there to learn for LINQPad?
 
it is notepad with linq
 
um
 
3:40 PM
not learn linqpad, but learn LINQ
 
I wrote a LINQ to MediaWiki provider just recently
 
its free too
 
you don't have to use LINQ in it.
 
Yes, and allows snippets of code
 
except for the intellisense
 
3:40 PM
i like free
 
You can hack it to have intellisense :)
 
it's basically just an easy way to run .net without creating projects for one-off stuff
 
Back on the Rep in chat, it would probably be open to abuse
 
linqpad is friggin great
 
yeah the name linqpad is misleading because u can do many things with it
 
3:41 PM
Well, time for me to get back to my iOS project, bye
 
@rchern: I have a special project for one-off stuff
 
@rchern I usually use unit tests for that
 
hack it to have intellisense, so speak, lol
 
then I get R# goodness
 
I use linqpad as a SQL Studio analog for NoSQL databases
 
3:41 PM
I couldn't write code without intelisense
 
@xaisoft Lol if i told you, i'd have to kill you :)
 
i always have it open because its quick and simple and i don't have to wait 16 hours for vs to open
 
I'm too cheap to buy the full intellisense version, so plain coding can be frustrating sometimes in linqpad
 
:) VS = SLOWER than molasses in january..
 
vs2010 is a nightmare to start up
 
3:42 PM
well, I work as a developer so I pretty much have VS open all the time
several of them even
 
Use reflector, and find the property to change the intellisense on
 
yeah I don't have a problem with VS2010 even on my laptop
 
VS2010 takes about 6-7 seconds to start, cold
I don't really see a problem
 
Do you have any plugin's for VS on that laptop @mgroves?
 
and the "add references" default dialog is faster :P
yeah resharper
 
3:43 PM
not my vs
 
Warm start is 3 seconds
 
maybe a couple others, I dunno
 
u must have super vs 2010
 
Well, there will be some differences due to hardware, OS, whatever
 
I just d/l linqpad... i like it
 
3:44 PM
the creator of linqpad is nice too
 
yah
ymmv :)
 
LinqPad is the best thing since sliced bread. Soo many of my Linq queries get refined there.
 
@Xaisoft Yes, but I doubt that VS2010 Ultimate somehow loads faster than other versions :)
Maybe slower
 
I had a gigantic VS 2008 project with VB and Resharper and it was sooooo slow
but same size project in C# was fine :)
 
I like resharper, but it slowed down vs
 
3:45 PM
I have a hard time using VS without R# now
 
Yes, r# is a lifesaver
 
I frantically press various buttons and it just does weird stuff
3
 
and Buildtime saver :)
 
I gave up on Resharper for the same reason. Too slow. The same project flies under DevExpress (even though it isn't as powerful in some ways).
 
i downloaded devexpress coderush xpress, but never could get it to work
i gave up
 
3:46 PM
I tried coderush for about a month, was okay
 
R#. Rebol? Lol... that is a flash from the past :)
 
what are some other good VS plugins that people like
smartpaster? ghostdoc?
 
it once took about 4 hours to start VS2010 at home when I first installed it
 
there's a resharper TDD plugin that I like too
 
Visual AssistX
 
3:48 PM
I had honestly forgot that I asked VS to load, then all of a sudden in the middle of the day it loaded!
 
i never tried Visual AssistX
 
anyone use mono? isn't there a mono plugin for VS?
 
I use mono
 
Visual Studio Power Tools are nice
 
to help you write mono-compliant code
 
3:49 PM
the latest version adds some really nice stuff
 
and yeah, there's a plugin, but I haven't had much use for it
 
yeah power tools I used those before, TFS stuff especially
 
most applications run just fine under mono
 
@mgroves There is, but it's commercial
 
i used the vs10x CodeMap
 
3:50 PM
Legit question (not involving wasps): I have a unc path \\wasp which has shared folders... how can I retrieve all of the shared folders in \\wasp?
 
but got rid of it
it kept asking me questions
 
I use Visual Studio 2010 mainly for PHP now
 
lol
 
@Greg huh?
 
@Greg ? really?
 
3:50 PM
has anyone tried the Regex Editor extension
 
hmm, no. sounds useful
 
VS is by far the best IDE, and best debugger... I installed VSPHP plugin, turns out Visual Studio is a really nice PHP editor.
 
Who here Hates warnings??
 
@Xaisoft linky please
 
3:51 PM
yeah I tried vsphp, and I didn't like it as much as PhpStorm
but I agree, VS is a fantastic product
 
@RichardJRossIII I thought you where off to do work :p
 
@Richard If you hate warnings, don't use StyleCop ;)
 
tornado warnings? :)
 
@sres Ya, im working and chattin at the same time :)
 
i just went to the extension manager under vs tools
 
3:52 PM
How can I modify "^[a-zA-Z0-9\',!;\?\$\^:\\\/\|~&\" @#%*\{}()_\+\.\s=-]{1,1000}$"` to allow the backlash \ character ? I thought I'm escaping it correctly.
 
plus, im only 14, so i got some spare time :)
 
14, i feel old
 
@etonb I do not know, I hate regex :)
 
that regex hurts my brain
 
I know, i cant begin to understand that crap
 
3:53 PM
@Xaisoft that's what a regex done by a complete newbie looks like :(
 
@Xaisoft nice going, I started programming when I was about 14
 
I envy people who can read regex
 
@RichardJRossIII you got work at 14?
 
I wrote my first program at 8 :)
 
But I figured the \\ would escape the backlash..
 
3:53 PM
Yep, father and I are making iOS app
 
i got into programming late
i wanted to be a doctor
 
its gonna rock the world, we think.
 
I've never looked at that extensions manager...
 
I got into programming pretty early
 
richard then what are you doing in a C# room :)
 
3:54 PM
I started programming In C# at ten
 
about 8 years ago at 7
 
No one a regex junkie?
 
are you using monotouch?
 
my first laguage was pascal
 
And just recently started With OBJ-C
 
3:54 PM
Eton, that is best asked on S0
 
doing nothing but sweet C
 
@HeiniHøgnason ... 7????
 
We were using mono, but had many memory leaks
 
i wish i could help, but i need to learn regex
 
then I got introduced to .NET and ended up getting a job as a programmer in july
 
3:55 PM
@Xaisoft you're right
 
so I had to learn Obj-c
 
@Greg yes
 
@xaisoft theyre easy to solve for regex people so free points for em
 
Ya well we all here hate regex :)
 
speak for yourself
 
3:56 PM
Eton, waht should pass with that regex
 
not for everyone (;
 
And give em points anyway this.gimmeRep()
or them.givethemrep()
 
what's for lunch today
 
im hungry
time to eat
 
@EtonB that regex seems fine, works with backslash for me
 
3:57 PM
Hmm, i forgot to have breakfast..
so ya, Im gonna eat too
 
yes eton, i put the regex in and it worked fine for me as well
 
maybe some wasp honey and tea
 
OMG not wasps again :)
 
quite right, I better go home and get myself some grub
 
i put it into this online ruby regex tester rubular.com
 
3:59 PM
@employer (dad) Can I have a lunch break yet?
@richard No, you cannot, get ur butt to work, stop chatting
 
This is a great site for regular expressions: regular-expressions.info
 
@employer (dad) ok :(
 
heh
 
hopefully I can put my son to work when he gets older
 
3:59 PM
bookmarked
 
so I can watch TV while he puts in the billable hours
 

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