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user3956566
12:00 AM
@Andy yep - it's like a real life election with preferences
 
user3956566
@Henders also we can't downvote in the election
 
3:48 AM
hello
 
user3956566
hi
 
user3956566
I have to pop off - it seems quiet in here atm
 
4:01 AM
where to vote for moderator election?
 
hello bros and sisters
 
4:24 AM
@Noorul Right here: stackoverflow.com/election/9
 
 
2 hours later…
6:38 AM
Thank you. Voted @AlexanderO'Mara
 
7:08 AM
Andy again this time. Nice to see you brother :)
and finally a women among the electoral candidates :)
i am happy this year, so happy that i forgot difference between singular and plural's usage :P
 
7:22 AM
Wow... is SO Trump country? The guy who YELLS (bold) that "a constant deluge of garbage that crowds out useful and interesting content" gets highly upvoted. GUYS, one person's "garbage" is another person who doesn't know something and has a QUESTION. How dare they (ask questions)?
 
7:33 AM
Hi
 
@Mörre I think it's a problem of scale
When asking a question on the internet (and in SO in particular) there are many things that are expected of you
You're expected to share a complete and concise code sample, you're expected to share what you've already tried to solve the problem (as opposed to just the problem), you're expected to share the expected and actual behavior
You're expected to write in reasonable English
In the past, it used to be less of a problem because there were enough "pros" to handle the "noobs", commenting, editing, correcting and yes, even closing and deleting when needed
But the tides are shifting (and have been for a while now)
There are more and more newbs on the site, and no one bothers checking what's expected of them when they ask a question
The core of regulars are collectively losing their patience slowly, and the air of "entitlement" and "pedantism" is created
So the general state of mind is: "Why should I help a user who won't even help themselves?" but in truth, they don't know (yet) how to help themselves
Partially their fault, of course, we spent a lot of time and effort on those help documents that no one seems to read
But "blame the user" is not a concept I'm very fond of
And I think that anything you have to actively explain to people as opposed to it being intuitively understood because they system helps you along is a waste of everyone's time
</my-2c>
 
It feels like at this point we should all stand and give a round of applause. :D In all honesty, it couldn't have been put better. With "noobs" we don't expect them to know how to code but we do expect them to write up a proper question with research and attempts to solve. Being a "noob" doesn't stop you from writing up a good question.
And I'm not a high rep user losing patience. I've answered my fair share of rubbish.
 
7:51 AM
This is why I like freeCodeCamp, by the way
One of the first things they teach the student is how to research and ask, before they even get to the coding part
 
what is stack-overflow-moderator-election???
 
@PraneshSahu please read stackoverflow.com/election/9
@MadaraUchiha something I've seen branded about but never looked into. I've just never found the time but it's a good concept.
 
Andy hit 10k
 
@BhargavRao on freeCodeCamp?
 
Err, nope.
On the Primaries
 
8:00 AM
Oh haha I'm confused, wow!
 
user3956566
@BhargavRao yeh, I can't believe he has down votes. What for?
 
If that doesn't reflect in the next stage I'll be shocked
 
There's only 2 slots, the top 2 are quite far compared to the rest. So mostly, they're in
 
@YvetteColomb 166 people are jealous of his stats :D
 
user3956566
@MadaraUchiha yeh, a true newcomer won't know how to word the question - and I don't think we should be rude - learning programming is confusing for many people
 
8:05 AM
@YvetteColomb Right, but distinction is often made between learning to program and learning to ask for help
Which are both skills that one needs to learn
 
user3956566
@Bugs maybe ... maybe they think they're helping other candidates, but it won't make a difference in the election - there's no downvotes. All the downvotes can do here is to knock out the bottom two nominees
 
@Bugs There is also a distinct possibility that 166 people are more inclined to orange downwards facing triangles and tried to show their support of their favourite geometric shapes in a large election.
 
user3956566
@MadaraUchiha true. I'm not saying we keep the questions open
 
user3956566
@Frits that is so true! LOLOL
 
user3956566
@Bugs I want to see some stats comparing the primaries to the election
 
8:08 AM
@Frits haha that's deep
I need my morning coffee first
@YvetteColomb yeah that would be interesting
 
user3956566
@Bugs yeh I think I saw a link at some point - too many links
 
@YvetteColomb That's what I asked about yesterday
> How many of the moderators that have been successfully elected have not been in the 'winning' spots in the primary?
 
user3956566
@Mörre I probably shouldn't speak for Cody, but I will anyway :) I think he's referring to the unanswerable questions. There really is a lot of low quality questions. When I browse the front page looking for for questions I can answer, I invariably find myself needing to ask for more info or close voting many questions before I can find one with enough info to answer. As for comparing Cody to Trump - Cody is highly intelligent - Trump is not
 
user3956566
@Henders hello my pets friend :)
 
user3956566
@Henders yeh, but where's the answer?
 
user3956566
8:21 AM
hi @SamuelLiew
 
user3956566
I've answered a bounty Q of 500 and now have the accepted answer - that will bump my candidate score up by 1 point
 
@YvetteColomb nice...
 
user3956566
@Frits :) I honestly think you should be a psychologist - or a magician - with your take on the downvote reasons :D
 
user3956566
@EdCottrell you just parachuted in?
 
@YvetteColomb It's a gift ;)
 
user3956566
8:33 AM
@Frits I think you're hilarious!
 
hello
 
user3956566
hi
 
@YvetteColomb No one answered and didn't look for myself yet :P
 
@YvetteColomb Hi Yvette, I just got home from work
 
9:01 AM
hi)
 
user3956566
hi
 
user3956566
I have a uni lecture bbl \o
 
9:51 AM
Hii
 
user3956566
10:28 AM
hi
 
11:09 AM
Is there anybody kept his name in nomination who voted down my questions?
 
@Akash what makes you think it was a candidate? We can't know for sure who downvotes what. They are anonymous.
 
waffle
 
LOL :D
 
@Akash If they had, that would be your candiate of choice, correct?
 
user3956566
11:33 AM
@Akash which questions?
 
12:50 PM
Hi
 
Hello
 
Hey
 
Ho
 
user3956566
1:12 PM
 
user3956566
evil laughter - runs and leaves
 
user3956566
@Andy you're doing really well :)
 
1:34 PM
When will another election happen?
 
@PeterHaddad We never know. We have one when we need more mods. Lately it has been about a year between elections
 
Alright thank you. @NathanOliver
 
no problem
 
 
1 hour later…
2:58 PM
HI folks, this is my first time participation in election. All the best to all candidates, hope to see better content and contributions in future.
 
3:10 PM
5 elected:
SLaks placed in top 5 in both primaries and election
Robert Harvey placed in top 5 in both primaries and election
Lasse V. Karlsen placed in top 5 in both primaries and election
Tim Post elected **despite placing 6 in primaries**
Kev elected **despite placing 7 in primaries**
5 elected:
Adam Lear placed in top 5 in both primaries and election
BoltClock placed in top 5 in both primaries and election
jjnguy placed in top 5 in both primaries and election
NullUserException elected **despite placing 6 in primaries**
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@Henders I took at look at how primary results varied from actual election results (including people called up after the election). You can see the hacky script here on Glitch, but it requires ES6 module support in the browser so it probably won't work unless you're running a beta.
 
NH.
actual election results? I didn't think it was over yet?!
 
@NH. No! These are past years, don't worry.
 
NH.
oh, OK (thx @JeremyBanks ). what stage are we at right now?
 
@NH. We're still in the primary stage. The top 10 candidates will advance to the final stage in a few days.
 
NH.
oh, top 10 is Cody Gray, Then NathanOliver, then Travis J... ?
 
3:15 PM
@NH. You can see running stats here. Currently I'm in 6th
 
NH.
(apparently according to the badges, this is my first time voting. Though I thought I vaguely remembered voting before)
thank you, @NathanOliver. +1 for being helpful.
 
You're welcome.
 
NH.
by the way, one of the things that is my primary criteria for voting is to keep SO from becoming more of an elitist club.
The more helpful the moderators are, and the less they assume everyone else should use the exact same stack and development methodologies that they do, the less this site will be like an elitist club.
Also another musing: remember how the policemen used to be helpful people that folks would ask for directions or information about the city? And now, noone wants to see a patrol car in fear they might get a speeding ticket?
Could we apply this to moderators? Thoughts?
 
@JeremyBanks Wow, that's exactly what I was looking for! Thank you. Interesting that there were quite a few who's result was different to their place in the primary!
 
3:33 PM
You're almost never gonna encounter a moderator on SO unless you:
1. Do something stupid and you "get moderated".
2. Actively seek them out on meta or something.
3. Happen to hang out in the right chatrooms.
They do almost all their work behind our backs and we never really see them in action.
 
Jay
@Henders, @Mystical here is my biggest concern. The elitist attitude. Mystical, at 323k, I'm sure you are an excellent technician. I'm only at 2k, so no doubt you are better than me. But when I frame questions, I've always taken care to follow SE guidelines. Recently, I've seen an increase of terms like 'stupid' on the site. If one is a noob, or relative noob, should we not have a place here if we learn the guidelines? I have loved SE, but not as much lately.
 
Flag those, we'll take care.
 
I'm specifically talking about how many people got elected who weren't in the 'winning' spots in the Primaries not the calibre of candidates...
 
We've all been fighting hard to keep those kinda terms out of comments. So if you see anyone showing an elitist attitude anywhere, just inform us.
 
Jay
3:49 PM
will do
thank you
 
NH.
@Jay, that is my biggest concern too :) See above
 
Stack Overflow has some 7 million users last time I checked. You're always going to run into some bad apples. Just flag and move along. Most people want to be nice :)
 
@Seth Exactly, flag and move on is the best advice! Really stops the situation escalating!
 
@NH. In addition to what Mystical said, if you need help or guidance regarding the site policies, you can always open a chatroom with any of the mods asking for help. Alternatively, you can check out other chatrooms which are moderation specific to ask for guidance. Meta is one huge resource for you.
 
@Jay don't cut yourself down, you're nearly 3k :D
 
Jay
4:01 PM
@NH. Oops... i was referencing your post. Just picked the wrong moniker.
@Bugs, thanks.
 
user3956566
4:21 PM
well I guess it's time to get used to this type of abuse
 
user3956566
I've looked at your "reviews" on SO - and this seems to be the pattern: if the change is technical in nature, then your reject/approve decision is based on the reject/approve decision of the previous reviewer. If the change is non technical, then you mostly reject. I have a hunch that you don't really know programming (see here: stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/16802997 - you rejected a perfectly good answer just because it was rejected by someone else) . I believe you belong more as a moderator on Wikipedia (where people moderate content they have no idea about) than SO. — itoctopus 2 hours ago
 
4:35 PM
@YvetteColomb: Don't feel bad. I'd probably have rejected that edit, too. It's not like it makes anything any better, and the original answer is no worse than what is there.
But yes, you'll have to deal with users who have this kind of opinion of moderators. In actuality, I'd never expect a moderator (that isn't a SME) to be reviewing those kinds of things, as that kind of work can be left to us in the community anyway.
 
@YvetteColomb You're kind of a public figure now and SO is the size of a small country.. so yeah :/
 
user3956566
@Makoto I don't care about the user or the comment. I care that the mods have rejected my flags to delete it (and quickly).
 
user3956566
If I wrote that comment under another candidate's post - it would be flagged and deleted.
 
@YvetteColomb - Just read that bonk by ioctopus. Owch! That was a bit harsh.
 
@YvetteColomb I find it disconcerting you flagged it.
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@YvetteColomb I doubt that.
 
4:40 PM
I think there's a lot of positive takeaways for you. You're doing awesome for a <20K rep user.
 
user3956566
@Seth why, it's a maligning comment?
 
user3956566
@JohnnyBones thanks mate :)
 
@YvetteColomb I would not delete it. It might be misguided but I think people know that. Also you have several people countering it which further reduces its effect.
 
user3956566
@itoctopus, speculating on someone's programming experience based on their reviews is bizarre; look at their answers. A moderator has redacted your comment to focus on facts that pertain to the election; please do this by default in future commentary on the candidates here. — Shog9 ♦ 50 secs ago
 
@YvetteColomb For what it's worth, I edited out the "I believe you belong more as a moderator on Wikipedia (where people moderate content they have no idea about) than SO." and "I have a hunch that you don't really know programming", because I felt those stepped over the line. However, we walk a very fine line here between letting people express their true opinions about candidates and allowing personal attacks to remain.
 
4:42 PM
@YvetteColomb: The user was harsh in parts, but you can't snuff out their opinion of what they think of you as a moderator. That'd be like users deleting someone's nomination post for "reasons"...
 
Isn't part of being mod is to be able to handle abuse from users and not losing your cool?
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user3956566
@BradLarson I agree - the op is entitled to discuss my reviewing, but it was those two parts I found insulting and - to be frank - not appropriate for the site. Whether or not we like wikipedia it's not our place to publicly ridicule it.
 
@Mysticial Yes. The first rule in the handbook
 
@Mysticial yes, most definitely
 
user3956566
@Mysticial yes and I didn't lose my cool. I wanted the comment altered. As both my flags were declined, I had to take it into chat
 
user3956566
4:45 PM
@Makoto yeh I don't care what the user thinks. It's just an expectation of how we talk to one another. And I wouldn't like to see it directed at another user
 
@YvetteColomb that's not what you said: "to delete it (and quickly)"
 
This is the case with comments in general on Meta, where we let many things stand that would be removed on the main site. We have to let people express themselves, and in particular let them criticize moderators and SE in general. I've been subject to worse in Meta comments alone, not to mention mod messages. If I were to flag those, it would be seen as a conflict of interest.
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user3956566
@Seth yes, because I didn't realise it could be redacted - now that I know comments can be redacted I'd ask for that. Any more questions while I'm here :)
 
user3956566
@BradLarson what about maintaining a certain level of decorum? I really don't like people kicking each other around anywhere - including online
 
I'm reminded of an election, years back, in which a user who went for moderator turned out to be someone that was wholly unfit.
 
4:49 PM
@YvetteColomb - Yes, I have a question. Does the roll o ftoilet paper go over or under in Australia?
 
You could see comments that were pointed - likely more pointed than what you're receiving right now @YvetteColomb.
It ultimately led to them completely deleting their account, but also led to them being exposed/realized as a bully or someone otherwise incapable of modship.
 
@Makoto I was just about to ask if it was the guy who ragequit. Seems you beat me to it.
 
I'm not saying that it makes it okay to make rude or pointed comments here; no. But what I am saying is, without the ability for the people to be a bit more frank, we wouldn't really see if a person's truly suited for modship.
 
user3956566
@Makoto I think I know what you're referring to - no one could've known that
 
user3956566
@JohnnyBones >
 
4:51 PM
...except maybe the 30 or so people that commented as such, sure...
 
@YvetteColomb If someone insults a regular member of the site, I do what I can to protect them from that. Moderators are punching bags, and we have to be able to take things that a normal member wouldn't.
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user3956566
@Makoto oh really? I didn't know about that.
 
I think I actually dug that nomination up at one point in a stray query I had written. If/when I have time/inclination I'll see if I can dig it up again. There were a lot of people that this person had crossed.
 
user3956566
@BradLarson yes I understand that. My point is - do we leave trails of crud like that on the site?
 
sometimes, yes.
 
user3956566
4:53 PM
@Makoto oh I've upset a heap of people also. rolls eyes I'm out spoken and am an advocate for change
 
@YvetteColomb: You've only ruffled feathers. This person went further.
Besides, having your feathers ruffled every now and then keeps 'em healthy, y'know?
 
I deleted my previous comments as it seems the community found them a bit hard in nature. In addition, I wasn't fond of the idea that my comment, which reflected my opinion on meta (which is what meta is all about) was redacted. Simply, my opinion is that this candidate doesn't have what it takes to be a moderator and wants to be a moderator for the wrong reasons using the wrong means (and that's according the candidate itself: "yes I did answer some questions to improve my candidate score - it's no secret.". — itoctopus 1 min ago
As you can see, even if we edit comments on Meta, it can be seen as suppressing someone's opinion.
 
user3956566
@BradLarson yes I understand that. It's the line between allowing people to express themselves and expecting a benchmark (not sure anymore what that is) of behaviour
 
I like Yvette, but I have to agree it's difficult to argue with that guy's last statement. I mean, it's a valid concern.
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@Makoto I'm looking through the comments about him in the Lounge. Um yeah, brings back memories.
 
4:57 PM
Let me rephrase: I can see someone getting the wrong idea if a candidate is doing things only because it directly helps them.
 
@Mysticial: I only remember it as a very sharp and distinct WTF moment, so precise details are scant for me.
 
He's a C/C++ guy. And he managed to cross just about everybody in the Lounge at some point along with maybe half the people on the site.
 
Oh wow.
 
user3956566
I'm curious now...
 
I've had multiple run-ins with him prior to his nomination+ragequit.
 
user3956566
4:58 PM
a high rep user?
 
Very high rep.
 
user3956566
I've had run ins with about 20% of meta - which is evidenced by the downvotes :) to be expected
 
user3956566
@Makoto but the account is closed?
 
I had already stopped being active on the main site when he appeared. But even then, he would show up on virtually every single performance question and just attack everybody - including me if I answered.
 
Nuked from orbit. There's virtually no trace of them anymore.
 
4:59 PM
Luckily, Meta votes no longer hurt your score. They used to.
 
@JohnnyBones: They never hurt your SO score anyway. Meta votes used to hurt your MSO score.
 
user3956566
@Mysticial old answers?
 
@Makoto As a moderator, I could see that coming from a mile away. Let's just say that the comments only scratched the surface of the issues there.
 
Ya, that's what I meant.
 
user3956566
@JohnnyBones I used to have such a low meta score LOLOL
 
5:00 PM
@BradLarson: Fair enough. I'd rather not know about how deep the iceberg does, but it's important to know where it was, at least.
 
My first 2 Meta posts were downvoted into oblivion. I started my Meta career at, like, -2,000 or something. It was a horror show.
 
user3956566
runs off to look at upvoted posts in C and C++ with no active author
 
user3956566
@JohnnyBones I have some meta posts on SO and SE that weren't reassociated with this account (thank the SE Gods! for that) and they are in the most downvoted posts! We are a pair! LOLOL
 
Pets, downvotes, running for mod... If you spend most of your free time watching movies, we should just get married.
 
user3956566
5:09 PM
@JohnnyBones LOL I watch a lot of movies and netflix series. I did an assignment for uni tonight also
 
@Makoto Just search for the guy's username in the Lounge. :D
 
 
user3956566
@Shog9 really it is the personality that we're electing - the user's ideas and actions
 
Your almost-daily arbitrarily-sized graph from the page that takes forever to load ^
 
user3956566
thanks Undo :)
 
5:12 PM
Almost looks like Yvette is picking up the India/ME bump
And vaultah, to a lesser degree
 
I just want to beat Tiny Giant at this point, so I can prove someone with the lowest score can escape the basement.
 
Wish I'd been able to work with Bill. Still kinda proud of that one comment from him on my '13 nomination
 
user3956566
@Undo they love me in India - my dad's family is from Sri Lanka - we're cousins :)
 
user3956566
@Shog9 yep, that will work for me
 
user3956566
5:18 PM
@JohnnyBones it's going to be close - there's 10 points between you
 
I've been gaining! Last time I checked I was about 40 behind.
 
@YvetteColomb I don't know about that...
 
user3956566
@canon well I wouldn't write that. I think it would be rude and dirty fighting.
 
@YvetteColomb I meant more about the accusation that the mods would treat you differently.
 
user3956566
@canon I think they would - as a high profile individual atm and running for mod I think they would expect better from me
 
user3956566
5:24 PM
In all honesty I just don't like people talking like that and it's that simple - I can't stop them from talking like that - but we don't have to enshrine it.
 
let me fetch my holy vestments...
 
user3956566
I hereby frame and bless this homely looking comment ...
 
Let me just say that if certain government leaders had the same demeanor as certain SO mods, the world would be a really cool place.
 
user3956566
@JohnnyBones so true
 
there is a reason the alien wanted to talk to our scientific leaders in day the earth stood still
 
5:28 PM
If I was an alien, I'd just keep going...
 
user3956566
@Mysticial omg the votes
 
@YvetteColomb I modified that post once. I changed "momentum" to "inertia"
claim to fame
 
user3956566
 
user3956566
Election begins in 2 days! wow that's gone quickly. Well I'll be surprised if Andy and Cody are not elected.
 
@YvetteColomb I'm not voting for Cody. I can't commit to reading that damn much on meta.
 
user3956566
5:40 PM
@canon I don't know how he has the time.
 
user3956566
I actually don't know who I'm voting for in the election
 
I think I've figured it out. Since Yvette and I have so much in common, I'll move to Aussieland and live with her. Then next year we'll run together and promise that between the two of us, we can do 24/7 moderating.
 
user3956566
I do have one last question. How often to they call for more mods after the initial election? @Undo do you know?
 
user3956566
@JohnnyBones you got to be kidding LOLOL
 
We could also pool our rep. ;o) I'm looking pretty good now, aren't I?
 
user3956566
5:44 PM
It is really nice in Australia - I wouldn't live anyone else - we keep people out by scaring them
 
user3956566
@JohnnyBones lolol pool our rep and commit all sort of vote fraud! This is the beginning of a great modship way to be banned
 
user3956566
I have to go to bed, need to earn 6k in rep in next two days to increase my candidate points :D
 
NO! I mean, if we ran as a team then the rep would legitimately be pooled. I'm not going to jail for SO! I like the site, but not THAT much.
All in good fun, of course. Nite, Yvette!
 
user3956566
@JohnnyBones I know! :D
 
6:21 PM
@YvetteColomb Mods are called up as needed. Doesn't happen every time.
 
7:16 PM
@BradLarson this. I wish I could star that again.
@YvetteColomb I'm voting for andy's bot. I have a plan to emancipate it from his control.
 
@canon I'm not sure if I should fight you for this or not. Maybe I'll just train it to defend itself. Then, if you win, you can have it
 
@Andy Sure, I'll fight it. Just make sure it's Three-Laws-Restricted
 
If I know my AI movies...that never works as expected
 
Am I allowed to vote for more than one person? I realize if I vote for everyone I really didn't vote at all, but is 2 candidates alright?
Seems like it opens the door for voting for N - 1 candidates and effectively voting against someone
 
This is the primary phase. Here you are selecting the ten people that will advance to the election. Up/down vote as you like. In the final phase, you'll be given the chance to select first, second and third options
 
@andy Cool, thanks!
 
@canon Speedy little bots
 
Hi all! o/
 
7:42 PM
@canon Somehow it is really fun to watch this. Is the video playing in realtime or speed up?
 
7:58 PM
@Rizier123 I believe it's real... but I can't say for sure
 
@BaummitAugen \o Baum!
 
8:32 PM
@Rizier123 since the people seem to walk around in normal speed i'd say it's in real time :-D
 
lets vote for the bots
 
NH.
9:10 PM
@PetterFriberg what? bots running for human offices?
 
beeh they seem to be faster then slacking humans, my comment was a joke related to the video, but true I have some history with bots
 

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