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1:51 AM
@rene it's not required, but I think it should be
 
 
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11:36 AM
Well, I see we had a person nominate and then retract between yesterday and today.
 
What steps are stackoverflow taking to ensure that this election won't be hacked
 
@WillParky93 mysql_real_escape_string()
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Well, for one thing only users with 150 rep can vote so that should make it pretty hard to cheat from the front end.
 
mysql functions deprecated reeee
 
11:58 AM
@WillParky93 mysqli_real_escape_string() - better? ;)
 
@Frits in C#? lol
 
@SagarV Nah. jQuery. ;)
 
How people vote?
 
Voting is not open yet. That starts in just under 8 hours.
 
@NathanOliver Yes
 
12:12 PM
@Frits r u sure?
 
@SagarV it's a joke :) have a look at The Many Memes of Meta - jQuery. apologies if it wasn't clear enough :)
 
@Frits nopes. I missed the n't. Actually I want to send aren't you sure \s
@Frits thanks for the link but I already have seen this and a regular user of the 6-8 weeks
Nobody asked for my votes yet <feeling-confused>again</feeling-confused>
 
@SagarV 7.66666666667 hours to go
 
@NathanOliver not the time. no candidate asked for that
 
12:23 PM
@NathanOliver recommended reading
 
@NathanOliver ??
 
That article. Almost bribing the voters
 
waiting to know what our candidate offers....
 
@SagarV I offer competent moderating ;)
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12:40 PM
@NathanOliver Hahaha +1 ;)
Any idea how many new mods will be picked in total?
Ah, nevermind - I see there are 2 available slots.
I'll open my eyes before asking questions next time ;)
 
@SagarV - Vote for me and I'll give you free french fries for life. (Politicians don't really have to keep their campaign promises, do they?)
 
Sure you do...but just to the people that give you the most money. So, if someone is paying you to not hand out fries, you're still ok.
 
12:55 PM
@JohnnyBones but it happens in Tamilnadu(the state mentioned in the news)
 
@josliber Thanks for putting the graph up again. One small note, could you remove Jeremy Banks from the current mod list?
Oh, and Daniel White withdrew too.
 
 
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3:22 PM
Done on both counts
Thanks!
 
Thank you!
 
3:37 PM
What a great graph! That's fun to play with. You have to turn 'Andy' off though when you use helpful flag count because otherwise you can't see anyone else :P
 
 
1 hour later…
4:52 PM
If I'm not here within ten minutes or so of primaries starting, could someone ping me? Monitor should start itself automagically but there's some chance it won't
Easy to get distracted with this 'work' thing and end up missing important stuff
 
@Undo I should be here to ping you if you are not here.
 
Thanks! :)
 
Thank me when it happens. That work thing is distracting to me as well ;)
 
5:44 PM
this election is just for Stack Overflow, right? not for all Stack Exchange sites?
 
Yes
 
Yes, just Stack Overflow
 
thought so, one of the questionnaire answers about migration made it sound like they were managing all the sites
 
6:02 PM
@SeanVanGorder FYI there won't be an election to choose mod for all SE sites
 
 
1 hour later…
7:30 PM
Less than 30 mins left
 
\o/
 
I'm waiting for those last-minute nominations :)
 
I'm completely confused, the step where we take the ten best is after the nominations?
... reading that line again, I wonder how or why I am confused
 
We do the nomination phase (gather candidates). If there is more than 10 we do a primary to select the 10 "best". Then we do the actual election.
 
There's 12 candidates so far, so we'll have to do a primary before the election.
 
7:33 PM
ta! it also reminded me that I also am capable of reading, which I often forget to do before ridiculing myself...
> After 7 days, the top 30 nominees, ordered by reputation, advance to the primary phase. However, if there are 10 or fewer candidates, we skip directly to the election phase.
 
Remember, vote early and vote often. Free toast and unicorns for anyone who votes for me.
 
Sure, let's see ;)
 
The votes in the primary settled down pretty quickly in the last election.
It was clear from the first few hours who is going to be in the top 4.
 
7:50 PM
@Undo This is your 10 minute ping
 
Haha, I was about to do that
 
Thanks! :)
 
\o Undo
 
Any last minute folks yet? On mobile
 
Nope
 
7:51 PM
@Henders Don't let me stop you. He never said he only needed a single ping
 
Nope
@NathanOliver I'll warn him at 5 minutes ;)
 
@Undo This is your 10 minute ping
 
I'm here :P
 
Hi here
 
7:55 PM
Election tools quick links: josliber's statistics visualizer, my primary vote tracker.
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I give this about a 60% chance of working without me touching it
if I do have to touch it it'll be a mess. Don't have my MacBook here, so any changes will be direct to live
you'll probably have to reload it at 20:00 to get candidates to show up
room topic changed to 2017 Stack Overflow Moderator Election Chat: Open Discussion for stackoverflow.com/election/9 (no tags)
1 minute
 
59 seconds
 
dat caching
 
10
 
8:00 PM
and we're off
Yep, reload the page. Seems to be working, maybe
 
@Undo Isn't the primaries thing supposed to auto-refresh?
 
Websockets aren't working.
 
You can still add comments in the nomination tab?!
 
J F
@Undo The user links have two slashes: stackoverflow.com//users/189134/andy
 
8:08 PM
Know about that one
 
> WebSocket connection to 'wss://primaries.charcoal-se.org/cable' failed: WebSocket is closed before the connection is established.
Guess you already know but...
 
I want to elect @James_D to be a moderator. i don't know if he wants to but he is the nicest guy out there and helps with a tonne of questions
 
@IshanSrivastava You can't vote for him unless he's nominated himself, and it's too late to nominate by about 10 minutes
 
@IshanSrivastava that is too late now ...
 
8:09 PM
@IshanSrivastava nominees have to self nominate.
 
@Henders yep, Redis issues
ooookay. Should work now. Reload the page, confirm?
 
@Undo works for me
 
awesome >:D
 
@Undo It's working, thanks!
 
8:11 PM
fwiw, 'Redis issues' is code for 'I forgot to install Redis'
 
wow. such dynamism. very reloads. much sockets. amazing colors, just wow.
 
I didn't even have to reload
 
did you remove all comments or are is SE just hiding'em during election?
 
It just started working
 
8:12 PM
Oh, cool.
@PetterFriberg they're hidden in the primary tab. Look at the nomination tab
@JF just please don't reload it too many times in a row :P
 
@JF Ooh, I was wondering where that was!
 
@Undo aah nice thanks
 
@josliber's statistics visualizer does not appear to be showing primary score properly.
 
Looks like my side is working okay
 
J F
On mobile, the graph pinch-zooms.
 
8:15 PM
afk. Should pay attention to this meeting, I guess
 
Prrf... priorities...
 
how can I vote a moderator?
 
go on the featured election page on main
 
where is it?
 
J F
8:17 PM
Can the graph be WebSocketized?
 
ooohhh.... I just realized I am so helplessly not strategical with my votes.
I actually voted on each candidate accordingly to wether or not I wanted them to be mod, whereas the possibility of waiting and making each vote count if a desired candidate is to be overthrown was right there...
 
I don't think it actually much of a difference at all whether you vote for them now or later
 
you vote there and that's it?
like vote a post?
 
8:21 PM
@NobodyNada probably not. I like overthinking stuff, however ;)
 
12 candidates 10 spots am I reading that right?
 
@xQbert 10 go to the final election yes
Only 2 will be elected as mod
 
Ron
Do I just upvote the user(s) in this page 'r what?
 
helps if I read the right column in it's full.. @ron yep.
 
Ron
8:26 PM
Good, now where's my $20?
Kidding.
 
only one up or down vote per candidate. The candidate vote scores are all public. Initial voting should provide a rough sense of which candidates are most electable. @ron you and I both need to read the top right of the page in greater detail :P
 
Ron
The top right blurb says nothing about how to vote.
 
@NobodyNada I need a few minutes to get it up and running :)
 
OK, np :)
 
Ron
Eer, there actually is a part of the sentence that does.
What do I do about the candidates I don't care much about?
Leave them be or downvote?
 
8:29 PM
@Ron tbh, I think the idea of voting on the site is somewhat a learned concept for most people :)
 
@Ron Your choice
 
Ron
I see.
The "only one up or down vote per candidate" should be in bold.
 
@Ron: It isn't like you can normally vote more than once on a question or answer...
...no reason to see it any differently IMO.
 
Ron
@Makoto The small manual on how to vote would be appropriate.
 
8:33 PM
@JF Probably. Might look at that for next time
 
All right! Primary scores are live (to within a minute) at www-personal.umich.edu/~josilber/SOElection2017/SOelection.html . Thanks Undo!
 
aaand Andy breaks 1k
 
\o/
 
How accurately does the voting in the primaries normally reflect the voting in the actual election?
 
Usually 3rd doesn't win.
First and second tend to be safe-ish
although this is a two-seat election, so dynamics could change. Usually we have 3-seat ones
 
8:46 PM
I love this Rube Goldberg voting: a method called "Meek STV", 815 ballots, 5 parameters, intimidating terms like "Droop Threshold Formula" and "Backwards Weak Tie Breaking", 11 rounds and graphs, each with yellow, green and red bars, vote transferring, exhausted votes, surplus votes, keep factors calculated to the sixth decimal digit... And in the end the result would have been the same if we had simply taken the 3 most voted! :-P — Fabio Turati Nov 22 '16 at 22:25
somewhat relevant ;)
 
The 1st guy in primaries always ends up being a mod
 
@Undo But can we expect the same ratio in the actual election, compared to the current phase?
 
@AlonEitan You only get 3 votes in the election phase so the results tend to differ.
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Good luck everyone. I'm out for the day.
 
8:54 PM
@FĂ©lixGagnon-Grenier what are we thinking, exposing programmers to a bunch of non-intuitive formulas named after people no one's ever heard of? ;-P
 
tbf, "Backward Weak Tie Breaking" sounds like a very elegant way to lace a neck tie.
 
9:31 PM
Feels just like yesterday when they asked for the 2016 vote
 
@omrakhur yeah, it's only been about 8 months or so
 
Do any of the candidates support visible Accept Rate or forced acceptance of answers after a fixed period of time?
 
@ArcaneEngineer I don't know; that wasn't on the questionnaire.
 
@NobodyNada What questionnaire.
I'm asking a question of the candidates - are you a candidate?
 
@ArcaneEngineer I am not a candidate.
 
9:38 PM
@NobodyNada Thank you for the link.
 
@ArcaneEngineer fyi, things like that are not usually the kinds of questions we ask mod candidates; those are usually better to discuss in a Meta
 
@NobodyNada I have brought it up there and been downvoted to the ends of the earth. I just popped in here to see if any of the candidates could personally answer the question. I've not engaged in the election process before, so learning as I go.
 
If a moderator supports visible accept rate, that doesn't mean anything's going to change -- there still needs to be Meta consensus and the devs need to decide it's worth their time.
 
Agreed; but the weight their voice carries is far greater than mine, and will get my vote.
 
@NobodyNada visible accept rate? the rate at which a user accepts answers to his questions?
that isn't exactly hidden
 
9:42 PM
@ArcaneEngineer true, but if Meta consensus was against that position before, it's likely to be against that position now
 
Agreed; and that still doesn't change my view on the matter, and where my vote will land as a result.
 
6 mins ago, by Arcane Engineer
Do any of the candidates support visible Accept Rate or forced acceptance of answers after a fixed period of time?
 
@ArcaneEngineer I am not sure I understand. You mean that through their popularity, moderators would somehow have a bigger effect on meta consensus in decisions such as a acceptance rate shown in a profile?
(or directly beside a question)
 
@FélixGagnon-Grenier (directly beside a question) Possibly... some mods are in touch with the dev teams as well. I don't have the time to prosecute that situation myself. Given there are only, what, 12 candidates? - it is unlikely any will support this, given how unpopular this feature historically appeared to be. Nonetheless, it's the deciding factor for me.
Anyway. I guess if someone tags me, I'll be back. Good day / eve, all.
 
J F
10:07 PM
Paging @Andy the graph-maker: would it be possible to graph the deviation of each post from the average vote count for the primary over time?
 
10:26 PM
Andy at 2k
 
Am i missing something, but how do i cast a vote ?
 
@Mokadillion Go to stackoverflow.com/election/9?tab=primary, and use the voting arrows to the left of each candidate's nomination
 
@NobodyNada Its so obvious.. thanks.
 
10:56 PM
Dang those votes happened fast!
Andy and Cody Grey are leading by a long way so far, as I hoped, although I had also hoped Yvette would get more votes.
 
11:24 PM
Yo @Andy, how's it feel to be the top of the board so far?
 
@Clonkex It's always nice to be in the lead, but this is only the primary, so not to excited yet.
 

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