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?? I want to tell him "so vote to close", but he hates me enough already
 
 
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7:09 AM
hello
@Queen k
 
8:05 AM
Hello
@RomanLuštrik emoji plots... good way to start a day :)
 
Oh, don't get me started. Couldn't get the packages installed because it somehow didn't detect my Rtools...
Turns out you have to reboot a computer to make it work. What are we, savages?
 
@RomanLuštrik you can update the post with this - gist.github.com/dill/ef79cdd21bf3a1977641
it is temp solution for this issue: github.com/dill/emoGG/issues/4
don't want to reboot...
 
8:45 AM
@zx8754 Try it.
library(ggplot2)
library(emoGG)

ggplot(iris)

iris[iris$Species == "setosa", "emo"] <- "1f337"
iris[iris$Species == "virginica", "emo"] <- "1f697"
iris[iris$Species == "versicolor", "emo"] <- "1f63b"

ggplot(iris, aes(x = Petal.Width, y = Sepal.Width, emoji = emo)) +
  theme_bw() +
  geom_emoji()
 
@RomanLuštrik I can't try, can't install emoGG at the moment.
 
For some reason it doesn't work for me.
> iris[iris$Species == "setosa", "emo"] <- "1f337"
> iris[iris$Species == "virginica", "emo"] <- "1f697"
> iris[iris$Species == "versicolor", "emo"] <- "1f63b"
>
> ggplot(iris, aes(x = Petal.Width, y = Sepal.Width, emoji = emo)) +
+   theme_bw() +
+   geom_emoji()
Error: Not Found
But I gotta run right now. TTYGL.
Working with this dataset often makes me put on this youtube video.
 
9:03 AM
@RomanLuštrik OK, it doesn't work.
 
9:26 AM
 
 
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5:11 PM
@ProcrastinatusMaximus delete, eh?
 
@ProcrastinatusMaximus That is a good one :)
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5:30 PM
sure
 
Trying to scrape this polling data. Am I the only one that finds rvest and the selector gadget annoying? realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/…
This works somewhat, but not as a table:
library(rvest)
polls <- read_html("http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html#polls")
polltbl <- polls %>%
  html_nodes("td") %>%
  html_text()
 
@PierreLafortune well, 538 provides a "download csv" link projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast
(never used rvest)
 
5:59 PM
thanks @Frank
 
np, curious what analysis you end up doing with it
 
Doesn't look like Trump has any chance of winning with the American electoral system
 
What on earth happened here I wonder stackoverflow.com/questions/39848833/…
 
6:16 PM
@DavidArenburg i think folks were unhappy with the reuse of unlist and match from Sotos' answer
also, the fact that akrun edited Sotos just to remove an upvote, allegedly
yesterday, by Sotos
In other news, you gotta love meaningless edits that simply want to inform you that they took their upvote away
 
got it
 
that looks like a lot of great new features (rmd notebooks, live rendering of latex, easy profiling viz), maybe enough for me to eventually switch
 
6:35 PM
The updating packages part still gets me. I usually reinstall each package one by one with each update. Hardly efficient.
Does everyone here create a personal directory or use "update.packages" after uninstalling the old version?
-3
Q: Multiple conditions in R using a specific variable

Crisi have a simple question. I have a big df like : Name AGE Order Anna 25 1 Anna 28 2 Peter 10 1 Paul 15 1 Mary 14 1 John 8 1 Charlie 24 2 Robert 20 2 For just Order= 1 , I need filter AGE>=10 & AGE<=15. So...

I think someone is instantly downvoting answers
 
@PierreLafortune those answers do all look bad, though
 
I agree with that. But I saw the downvotes faster than someone could've read them
 
maybe they know what they're looking for :)
 
@RonakShah's answer is fine
 
@PierreLafortune yep..I dont understand the reason...I searched for the dupe..couldn't find one..Hence , answered
 
6:48 PM
@RonakShah ifelse(test1, test2, TRUE) looks redundant to me, but i'm not sure how to simplify
 
It's a nice hack into a nested conditional, which this looks like.
 
ah, here we go DF[ AGE %between% c(10,15) | Order != 1 ], with some translation to base r
went looking for a logical implication operator, found a new hack: DF[ as.logical(AGE %between% c(10,15))^(Order==1) ] with familiar caveats:
@running.t This is something that happens to have the same effect as x => y, but is not an operator for that purpose. This is the power operator, and is not a logical operator, but a numerical one. It does not return True or False, but a number. This is slower, and could potentially introduce bugs, not to mention being incredibly unclear and hard to read. I would highly recommend against ever doing this, and instead would use not(p) or q as per Juampi's answer. — Gareth Latty Nov 22 '15 at 14:02
 
7:04 PM
That's a nice one @Frank
 
thanks :) now just need to find an excuse to use it, and preferably some better intuition for it
got a dupe for "melt a data.frame full of NAs"? stackoverflow.com/q/40366977
thanks, alistaire, i think that one fits
 
There's an na.rm arg already in it
 
@PierreLafortune in melt? oh doh, thanks, i'd never have noticed that
 
7:19 PM
Zheyuan's interested in helping with moderation tasks like closing, as seen in recent comments in R Public. i'm thinking of pinging David et al for whether they're fine with that
(i mean, him coming here to participate, since we generally manage to close things)
eh, guess i won't ping spam, but thought i'd point it out
 
yeah, that looks like a good one
switch it? i think you can solo reopen and close
 
Oh that's cool. Is that a 20k superpower?
 
@PierreLafortune hm, not sure, i think it's just a Mjollnir quirk
 
Regarding Zehyuan, it's not uncommon for people to align their views towards those of the people they hang out with. So him coming here might work out for the better.
 
7:25 PM
20k is extra deletion power, is it? i remember 10k, seeing deleted posts, being the best perk
 
8:15 PM
@Frank I this this room owners decided to grant access to anyone with >1K rep
we discussed this when I removed write access from Hack-R
 
@DavidArenburg ok, open entry and discretionary removal? i don't remember Hack-R in here
 
@Frank he wasn't here, I just removed his write access and then zx/Tens/Jaap seem to think otherwise
Eitherway, I'm totally fine with Zheyuan being here.
 
ok, i'll invite then. i'm fine either way, but in the name of fairness, if Hack-R is welcome, surely all are (subject to the 1k rule)
 
@Frank yes, this is the point I was trying to make
 
ok
 
8:24 PM
btw, all the regulars with >=3k rep here can apply for room ownership if they are interested, just sayin
 
Oh, we have RO elections here? Whom should I vote for?
 
@BhargavRao hey, no one's calling this a democracy ;)
to me "apply" certainly doesn't sound related to "elect"
 
So there's a s there, Selections?
 
@BhargavRao No, we don't really have elections, it's just according to the (agreed) rules that anyone with >3K rep can be a room owner if they agree to the terms
 
Oh Damn, I just got excited simply. :/
Also if any of you are interested
in R Public, 45 mins ago, by Bhargav Rao
For those interested - Tumbleweed posts 1 2 3
 
8:30 PM
@BhargavRao these are soon to be roomba-ed or just moderately old?
 
They are the posts that were awarded the Tumbleweed badge stackoverflow.com/help/badges/63/tumbleweed
 
oh ok
 
They'll be roomba'd after a year.
 
oh, so long? i thought it was faster
 
0 votes abandoned -> 365 days
neg votes abandoned -> 30 days
 
8:32 PM
ok
 
@Frank so you can make it X10 times quicker pretty easily I guess
Though they look like pretty decent questions I guess
 
Yeah, I see a lot of them daily. If they were bad they'd have been closed (and dealt with earlier).
 
@DavidArenburg good to know, though i don't want to get too trigger-happy with that, like gnat (if i remember correctly) and his people
 
"his people" = SOCVR?
 
@DavidArenburg presumably. i remember seeing a thread about how SOCVR shouldn't use downvotes to beckon the roomba, one of them answered "oh, sorry about that" and there was a sinister comment beneath it like "bwahaha, i'm glad this meta Q&A is here, so my demonic minions might rise and burn everything down with our downvotes"
 
8:39 PM
So I can talk now??
Oh yes
 
@TravisJ you know what I like most about this question? "viewed 2685 times" notice at the sidebar. Hope it means 2K+ readers learned one more way to clean up the off-topic garbage, one more way to break old rotten romance. Myself, I don't do roomba voting at Stack Overflow but that's only because I don't have enough time for that; knowing that others do this and more of others learn to do this makes me feel really good — gnat Oct 9 '15 at 22:09
@ZheyuanLi hiya, welcome
 
@ZheyuanLi hi, welcome
 
Thanks all
I am not familiar with how chat works
Thanks for the invitation; otherwise I don't know how to get in
 
@ZheyuanLi on a pc, you can hover over a message to see extra tools (reply arrow and "star" on the right) a few others in a popup menu accessible on the left
 
@Frank he is a grumpy chap. I was like that not so long ago, but I'm trying to chill my SO enthusiasm as much as possible recently and seem to work well for me
 
8:41 PM
starring just puts a message on the sidebar for a while so it stands out
@DavidArenburg yeah, that's good, though your meta threads are typically entertaining
 
Haha, I just love it when Queen posts messages even when she's not in the room.
 
There is also probably a very long/detailed Meta discussing these stuff in detail somewhere too
@BhargavRao yeah, I was recently wondering about that
how is that even possible? Does this mean we can all do the same too?
 
Web socket issues.
Petter is out for 3 days, we just need to reboot it and it'll work.
 
Queen is here though
 
8:45 PM
Yeah, That's because she recently posted a message
See the "Rooms" tab on your profile
This is queens.
 
She's sneaky
 
That spammed a whole page.
 
hi & welcome @ZheyuanLi
 
ok, got to run
 
8:47 PM
Yeah, Even the k and f replies don't work.
 
cya pmax
 
Cya pro
 
lol, pmax is a nice short cut
 
:)
 
Imax and his little brother, Pmax
 
8:48 PM
@BhargavRao also a function in r
 
Ah, So there must be pmin and pavg also.
 
@BhargavRao you would think so, just pmin currently
if someone adopts Procrastinatus Minimus, that'll come in handy
 
@Frank Btw, this is my favorite Meta answer all time meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/251758/…
 
I should get back to coding in R. It's been almost 5 months.
this may be the best answer ever posted on MSO — Jeff Atwood ♦ Apr 27 '14 at 7:05
 
@BhargavRao strange to see such comment from SO creator on not such a "be nice" answer
 
8:51 PM
i'm ambivalent about it, feels kind of forum-y. i like the post better than most comments i see linking to it, which probably makes it look worse to me.

probably my favorite is the one about keys
 
probably he got tired from SO too and decided to drop out hence
 
It's a perfect answer ;)
 
@Frank link?
 
There's a lot written about Jeff SO and Joel SO.
 
Great answer
 
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A: Should 'drive by' downvoting be more effectively caught?

Tim PostThe answer was down voted because I lost my keys. Please, stay with me, let me explain this odd chain of events. Earlier today I couldn't get to the store on time because I could not find my keys. That caused me to miss the opportunity to run over a golf ball, which would have bounced between a...

it's pretty light fare
 
BTW Did anyone of ya see that presentation by JD Long on meetups?
 
heh
The downvotes here are for the irony. Right? — JNF Apr 14 '15 at 8:32
 
The new R download shoots up 2 warnings on install. I'm sure it'll freak out my coworkers
 
oh, also the chtulhu regex one
 
8:54 PM
@BhargavRao not sure, maybe
 
in R Public, Oct 14 at 14:15, by Aaron Hall
FYI: https://www.meetup.com/nyhackr/events/234123730/
 
Messages like "untrusted source. Are you sure?" which are sure to scare some away
 
I've saved it, But I've not seen it too.
 
@PierreLafortune heh
"You are downloading a malware. Should we proceed"?
 
"Untrusted sources. Please enter password"
 
8:56 PM
@PierreLafortune typical for new executables released into the wild of windows, i guess
 
Stats proffs jokes
 
Time to leave, Bye guys. Cya all tomo. \o
 
bye Bhargav
 
later
@DavidArenburg I'm sure when I send out the memo, no one's going to update their versions
 
9:06 PM
Is it appropriate for me ask to close this question: stackoverflow.com/q/40348673/4891738?
It is basically just zero-effort. Quite a basic thing, but I had no luck finding a duplicate for it...
 
@ZheyuanLi You are lm guru, I trust your jugment
 
And this one: stackoverflow.com/q/40310611/4891738 can we close it as typo? The critical thing is that OP does not know what he is really doing...
 
Now the session can't find "Rcpp" and it won't let me install.packages. This is why I hate updating to new versions; the silly stuff
 
@PierreLafortune same, especially the part where i have to ask IT to help me upgrade Rtools
 
@DavidArenburg Thanks. I am far from being a guru... I am keen on answering regression problems because I want to improve myself.
@DavidArenburg It is just like doing some practical exercise; sometimes will pick up some theoretical stuff, too.
 
9:20 PM
@ZheyuanLi If you want to improve yourself, I would recommend doing it in CrossValidated. SO users are usually not so stats savy
 
This one: stackoverflow.com/q/40257073/4891738 It is even hard to know what R package the question is using. It is obviously not the basic "lm" function. I think there is no need to vote to migrate it; I have voted to close as "too broad"
 
I find these type of comments somewhat unfair stackoverflow.com/questions/40368551/…
Where was dplyr even mentioned in the question?
 
@DavidArenburg I do go to Cross Validate some time, but I am not too into it. Many answers are just like armchair strategy; I would be more interested in implementing and testing with R
 
@ZheyuanLi welcome
 
@zx8754 Hi, thank you
 
9:25 PM
@ZheyuanLi I agree, but there are many users there with ton of stats knowledge to learn from
 
@DavidArenburg i see your point but don't mind if they want to keep it open. pretty trivial to data.table::rleid up a "dplyr" answer, as Jaap did here, i guess
 
@DavidArenburg Haha, it is true. For me, I find Cross Validate a good place to read; but Stack Overflow a better place to play with.
It is fine that answers of more stats nature don't get many upvotes here
 
@Frank It invites library(dplyr) ; copy_paste_data_table_answer; profit type of answers
without getting into data.table vs dplyr debates
 
@DavidArenburg yeah, op doesn't know better, i guess
 
@ZheyuanLi they just don't have many followers or people who can even understand them
you would get much more votes in CV for your answers probably
 
9:28 PM
Writing an answer is like completing an exercise; getting 1-2 upvote will already make me happy enough.
Acceptance is great; that means acknowledgement
 
yeah, you probably should chill with the acceptance pursuing
5
it got you suspended a few times now I believe
 
@DavidArenburg Haha, I already got two suspension for that
@DavidArenburg I also know people here discussed about it
 
yeah, we were discussing it here
 
@DavidArenburg Sometimes I felt a sudden increase in my page visit
@DavidArenburg Then I know I become the topic again
 
Don't think it related to this room though, There are barely 10 active users around here
it's probably related to your Meta posts
 
9:35 PM
@DavidArenburg Haha, no no. I don't mind at all
Meta post?? Mine? Which one
I only have two posts
Both not important
One more vote is needed here: stackoverflow.com/q/40273292/4891738 But I don't know what could be a good reason for closing it... it just does not look right...
 
ok, closed
 
@Frank As I on fire...
@Frank am I on file
 
heh :) yeah, you're finding a lot of close-worthies
 
@Frank (bad typing... again) am I on fire on regression posts??
 
gotcha
 
9:41 PM
@ZheyuanLi yes you are
 
Any suggestion on this post: stackoverflow.com/q/40358683/4891738? I am not saying that we close it.
It was asked this morning. But OP asks for some intuitive explanation of the predict.polr function
 
at your discretion. i'd say too broad since they don't give an example and have multiple questions, but if you think it can be answered and are up to the task, go ahead
(not really evaluating the content here)
 
I told him to at least provide a toy example to work with; at least there is something we can compare with the native function. But no; he refused to do so
Then I said my best bet is to provide him the source code of the function to let him read himself...
 
well, an overgenerous answerer could guess at suitable example data and provide that
 
@Frank Em, true... maybe I will get some data for it sometime later
 
9:46 PM
i don't think i would use an estimator if i didn't understand how it worked. i've got something of a bias against questions about "features" and "training" and tend to suspect a lack of interest in rigor...
@ZheyuanLi yeah, like i said, most people would move to close as too broad, but it's up to you if you want to engage
 
@Frank Maybe leave it there for a few days; see what will happen. I have no plan to expand my answer there.
 
ok
 
It seems to me that we might need to close this one too: stackoverflow.com/questions/40138301/…
category: why isn't this code working
I had an answer there, but it is only showing that I can't reproduce the problem
that is the best I can do
 
y, voted
 
I am pretty sure I got the issue... but OP stopped being responsive after I posted answer
So I can never check
I told him to dput(table(quadrat.level.data$Species)) so I get evidence... oh no, he just won't do it
That is not confidential data... just a summary of count... not really what individual datum is...
 
10:03 PM
@ZheyuanLi well yeah, they haven't been back since oct 13. i think it's fine leaving it in case they come back. if they don't the roomba'll get it soon
 
roomba??
 
roomba = autodeletion script for questions with low/zero score and no upvoted answers
2 hours ago, by Bhargav Rao
They'll be roomba'd after a year.
click the "2 hours ago" to see a transcript of the convo
 
Digested... but that is quite a long period.
 
this one has a negative score, so will disappear after 30 days
 
Looks like I need to prepare to get my answer elsewhere. Actually it is a good example of the potential side effect of model fitting by group
 
10:09 PM
ok cool, well i'm out, cya
 
See you
 
10:20 PM
Welcome @ZheyuanLi!
And I'm out.
 
@Axeman Hi. Haha, see you tomorrow then
 
see you around
 
Gosh, what a mess here: stackoverflow.com/questions/40366361/… close it? Someone found a duplicate target already.
This question completely makes no sense: stackoverflow.com/q/40198142/4891738
This one is more off the sense: stackoverflow.com/questions/39898639/… regression model should be used to do reasonable thing, not just a magic missing-value imputation tool.
This one ("why isn't this code working"): stackoverflow.com/q/39404376/4891738
This one is not about regression. stackoverflow.com/questions/40327998/… I don't know why some people voted to reopen it; maybe that's the reopen votes from Review? I agree that my original linked question is a not a perfect match, but any one suggested in my comment is a 100% hit. Anyone would like to reopen it and close it again?
This one is too broad: stackoverflow.com/q/40366843/4891738. It is not a good idea to ask a question without any algorithm...
Close this one for whatever reason: stackoverflow.com/q/39953122/4891738 He absolutely has no idea of what he is doing
Haha, well, this one is embarrassing. Let's delete it; I have already cast delete vote on the question. stackoverflow.com/q/36433924/4891738 I answered this very earlier when I first joined R tag. The question is extremely low-quality; and I think "data.table" or "dplyr" people won't like my answer at all. Delete it, my only minus score answer, please.
And, before I stop "bee bee bee" today, is there anyone here able to vote on my tag synonyms proposals? My suggestion should be fairly reasonable. Thanks.
 
11:23 PM
Green Frank, just curious, did you flag that comment or did the person delete it on their own?
 
@Jota hiya, nope, i almost never flag, since mods usually reply that i'm wasting their time
i like how they think "deliberate" downvotes are particularly bad. what's the alternative? accidental ones?
and, seems i wasted my time trying (again) to explain the shortcoming i see in the answer that explains my downvote
 
haha, I liked that too. I have accidentally downvoted before when clicking between the up and down arrows to see the number of upvotes to downvotes, but not this time.
After their first response, it became clear they were a little defensive and not interested in improving the answer. The improvements would be minor, too. I don't get it.
 
maybe they were feeling clever (and it is clever) and decided to protect that feel
 
11:45 PM
Yea, I suppose that could be. I had a similar idea, so I'm inclined to think it was clever, too heh
Does my avatar show up with the lower half grayed out in here, or is that just me?
 

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