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8:00 PM
@EtiennedeMartel There's still some seriously popular turn-based games like Hearthstone
 
Indeed.
That's why it's so baffling for me.
 
but really I'll put it simply for you
turn based means that you are stuck waiting for the other player to take their turn.
 
well, FF7 remake is gonna come out, and everyone is gonna play it anyway
 
it's the same reason why you never see more than two player Scrabble games
 
@Puppy Yeah, but it's not like Squeenix makes multiplayer games.
Turn based games are fine as single player experiences.
 
8:03 PM
for a turn-based game, you need to have enough going on that the player is thinking enough on their own turn to not really notice that they can't act.
 
Sitting there, planning your next move, that's fun.
 
like D&D style.
 
Nice edit.
 
most games simply can't succeed in engaging the player enough.
well, I remembered that Pathfinder is technically totally not D&D3.5e with a new lick of paint
and the other problem is that turn-based games also run longer for this very reason, so they're less convenient to play.
I would love to play a bunch more Pathfinder, or Battlestar Galactica board game, but the simple fact is it takes so goddamn long you can't just sit down and play them
which also means you have to give people a better reward for their time, since they can't play at their own convenience.
so I think really they are a lot more difficult to pull off
 
I like XCOM.
 
8:06 PM
eh
it was fun, but not great.
it felt kind of... counter-engaging
 
I like FFX, it's turn-base RPG
the story was well written in FFX
 
most stories are just a cover for terrible gameplay.
few games have genuinely good stories.
 
user1804599
wat do
 
@Elyse No great answer unlike you like to go out with people.
 
user1804599
????
 
user1804599
8:14 PM
what does that even mean
 
sex
 
so... after a fapping session?
 
Like going to the pub and drinking liters of beer while talking with friends.
 
On Mac I can create disk images (.dmg) file which can be mounted and become like a normal writable directory. I can't seem to find a Linux equivalent.
I found how to create an iso file, but mounting that seems to require root permissions for some reason.
Am I missing something obvious?
 
find a fuse filesystem for mounting archives or sth
 
8:17 PM
Mounting anything requires root
 
Unless it's in fstab as usermount
ISO files are not archives
There's fuseiso
 
Just found that one.
fuseiso seems to do it.
> mkdir: cannot create directory ‘a’: Function not implemented
Cool.
 
user1804599
lol
 
@StackedCrooked just as I expected
 
user1804599
 
@Elyse Perl Girl .. isn't that spelled like .. Purl Gurl
 
user1804599
??? no.
 
> ISO 9660 is a read-only file system
 
.net-assembly made me laugh — sehe 19 secs ago
 
@Elyse, do you actually use only DDG or when you fail to find something you fallback to Google?
 
user1804599
8:26 PM
I always use Google to search.
 
user1804599
I use DDG for its ! commands.
 
hmm
 
> On 8 December 2011, Santorum engaged in a non sequitur in arguing that poor and unemployed Americans don't need food stamps because there is an epidemic of obesity in the country.[4]
Trump repeated exactly that the other day: twitter.com/ashrouen/status/671660134259650560
 
Yeah that's very nice. There's even a !boost
 
0
Q: Optimizing Cumbersome Logic

XiremaIn my OpenCL Kernel, I have the following logic: size_t id = get_global_id(0); uchar i = (id / 32760) % 16; uchar j = (id / 2184) % 15; uchar k = (id / 156) % 14; uchar l = (id / 12) % 13; uchar m = (id / 1) % 12; if (j >= i) ++j; if(k >= i || k >= j) ++k; if(k >= j && k >= i) ++k; if(l >= ...

oh my god
why
just why
 
8:31 PM
@Borgleader well, he is trying to improve it
 
improve its speed
 
except we can't help as the higher level meaning is lost
> I'm looking for a way to optimize it such that it's much easier to read and understand. How can I rewrite this logic so that it's much easier to read, and possibly faster to execute?
 
Right, but the title is "optimizing cumbersome logic"
his main goal is optimizing
and my guess is he's guessing theres a simpler logic (that will happen to be easier to read) that will be faster
in any case, naming variables properly is an obvious first step
 
he's just abusing the word 'optimize'
@Borgleader indeed
 
which he did
he replaced i,j,k,l,m with index0-5
-.-;
 
8:37 PM
wow it's even worse
 
@Borgleader It was really funny when I noticed "Readability is more important than Speed" .. given how messy his code was
 
@milleniumbug There's definitely plenty of room for improvement.
 
@Borgleader close voted and flagged for @JonClements to move to code review
 
@StackedCrooked If you want to make ISOs then use cdrkit or xorriso or whatever, not mounts
 
> The intent of this code is to take an input integer in the range [0, 16*15*14*13*12), and convert it into a permutation of 5 unique indexes ranged [0,16).
 
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8:48 PM
> An abstract class is denoted in Visual Basic by the keyword MustInherit.
 
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Nice.
 
user1804599
> Any methods that are meant to be invariant may be coded into the base class, but any methods that are to be implemented are marked in Visual Basic with the MustOverride modifier.
 
@meetingcpp TBH I've found the ongoing soap on (communication about) recordings a shame. Can't you solve it without venting? #professional
Finally crossed the line where I spoke up. I've been thinking this since 2013. Jens needs to professionalize his PR /cc @R.MartinhoFernandes
Each year comes with it own new soap. And lots of hilarious #fail
 
~~professionalism~~
 
Hmm, I did not know that H.265 even existed.
 
8:55 PM
#professional #disgusted
no but really I agree with you @sehe
Jens' twitter account is run like a student's blog
 
what recordings?
 
Meeting C++ talks
 
Nerdgate
 
It just annoys me. He manages to fuck up all the previous editions of Meeting C++ recording in one way or another (I believe none of the 2013 vids had ~any~ audio; he had to go and write his own recording app in Qt for 2014... now that was a success - not o.O) and he bad mouths his hired personnel when they do something disappointing?
 
9:00 PM
@JohanLarsson my little double: floating-point is magic
 
Yay, benchmarks++.
 
@milleniumbug PFUDOR
 
user1804599
I'm so happy.
 
user1804599
VB.NET is awesome!
 
9:02 PM
haha
 
> Basic girl.
 
why? because you can translate it to c# without losses?
 
VB is usable, VBA is not
fuck VBA
 
Ell
I'm quite wankered
that is all
 
vba is ugly but useful for small excel hax
 
when I was in middle school, I used to build apps using Microsoft Access for small businesses, and VB made it able to tweak around with it. about over 10 years ago I think
 
@KhaledAKhunaifer they'll use it in the next century too
forever... and ever... and ever
 
@milleniumbug It's not professional, but it works
It was easy because I didn't have to know how to deal with SQL, database, or program a GUI, build business code to read from database, ..etc .. it's just using templates & wizards
 
@milleniumbug I dont think I understand what hes actually trying to do because that sounds much simpler than the code he was showing.
 
@Borgleader wow Barry really nailed it codereview.stackexchange.com/a/113649/25793
 
9:14 PM
HELLO
 
WORLD
 
!
so, what's cracking Lounge<C++>?
btw, what is the status of The Lounge<C++> user-group here on stackoverflow? It's probably not called user-group, but still
I guess it was named team or something similar?
 
Either dead, inactive or non-existent.
 
@Morwenn too bad
 
@milleniumbug OP says barry's thing is wrong tho
 
9:23 PM
@Morwenn IIRC it exists. But I have failed to understand its purpose.
 
@wilx blabla social blablabla interaction experts professional groups blabla
 
@sehe yeah, perf not important for the repl though
 
@Jefery Yup.
 
9:25 PM
@JohanLarsson Still, the Join version is less readable
 
@wilx Ew, sexist!
 
@Jefery /o\
 
@sehe yep, the foreach is clean, I brace like stylecop wants though
 
@Jefery Zing!
Good chuckle there
 
@wilx I'm new to that emoticon. Is that a man kneeling?
 
9:27 PM
@Jefery It is a man. That is right! However, he is holding his head.
 
Oh, I see.
 
AHAHAHAHAHA
 
@wilx Looks good. I'll probably listen to that once I've eaten.
 
If you make the arms point down (as in they have the hands on the bottom of that emoticon), then the guy is like kneeling.
 
@Morwenn It does sound good
 
9:28 PM
I just made MIPS
k iz gud
 
@wilx I raise by this btw.
 
we found a bug in one of the automatic tests that are written to ensure that students implementation conforms with the given assignment.. rerun the previously accepted submissions; 50% of them failed after fixing the bug.

About 30% (of total) are students who interprets the requirement that operator- is to produce the difference between to dates, somehow people read it as "the absolute difference"..
so that.. sucks
also; I lost my front tooth so I've been to the dentist to get a new one, and instead of going home I went straight back to uni. Why you might ask? Well, I have no idea really
 
The difference between two dates is obviously a timespan.
I'm not sure how else you would read it.
 
@Jefery let me quote the text exactly
 
9:30 PM
@Jefery Very misogynistic. I like it! \o/
 
I knew you would
Just look at how he grabs her head, in a sense of power.
 
@FilipRoséen-refp Did you get into a fight with a student after you fixed the test and failed his?
 
@Jefery Delicious, indeed!
 
@FilipRoséen-refp you're turning into a robot
 
You can feel the patriarchy crawling behind your back
2
 
9:31 PM
It's ok boys. I get it.
 
@Jefery what the, now I see that the text has changed in the assignment - need to contact the professor about this (I sure didn't change it)
 
@sehe Looks pretty hardcore.
 
@Jefery it just says that "a - b" should yield the number of days between the two objects
 
@FilipRoséen-refp lol
@sehe ;)
 
Made me smile
 
9:33 PM
@FilipRoséen-refp That could certainly be considered to be an absolute requirement.
 
@sehe that has happened, if you catch something odd during the oral examination that the test certainly can't catch, and you say that the student has to fix it.. well, it's not uncommon
 
@FilipRoséen-refp Yup. That /should/ be the absolute value
 
@sehe I think Console.Write(int) boxes.
 
@Puppy I would read it as abs(a - b), so now I agree with the students
 
@JohanLarsson Possibly. So, write the extra "" "" :). The point was about the clearer explicit loop (with no explicit casting)
 
9:33 PM
in either case, that was just a side-effect of the buggy test being fixed
let me give you the diff for the perl-script that generates input for the tests.. fucking stupid mistake
 
@sehe yep, it is nicer. The bit flippping starts to feel like a bad idea.
 
> perl-script
An intercoursing stupid mistake
 
stupid github; isn't there any easy way of accessing a "non-graphic" diff for a file between two revisions?
not on my computer, it's.. about 4 feet away
and I'm lazy
 
@FilipRoséen-refp Why abs?
 
ah boy
 
9:37 PM
@Jefery "the number of days between two dates" certainly implies an absolute value, it should be "the difference between the two dates"
 
If I want the absolute value of a timespan then I ask for it
 
so much assembly
I should learn x86
 
What I'm saying is that the domain of date1 - date2 should include negative values
To which you can apply abs if you need it
 
@Jefery dates are not negative values though with the usual encoding, right?
 
anyhow, the generator script had something like my $prev_var = n2v ($current_id) where n2v simply takes a number and generates a variable-name. It should have been my $prev_var = n2v ($current_id - 1)
 
9:38 PM
the time stamps are positive so you can't have negative dates anyways
 
@FilipRoséen-refp "... in days"
 
@Jefery certainly, but the description for the operator in question is written as "the number of days between"
 
@VermillionAzure Oh goddamnit, the difference between two dates is not a date
Come on Jack
 
@sehe yes, and that was how it read last semester
 
@Jefery But the usual encoding is unsigned
You'd have to convert one to the other first
 
9:39 PM
The usual encoding of what?
 
A date
 
@VermillionAzure drop whatever it is that you are thinking about, it's.. wrong
 
Why do you need a signed date?
 
user406009
@FilipRoséen-refp Have you tried using git diff?
 
user406009
Or just plain diff?
 
9:40 PM
He's clueless
 
@Jefery because how else do you get a negative difference?
 
What the fuck are you talking about Guandaline?
@VermillionAzure By representing it with a timespan
 
1 min ago, by Jefery
@VermillionAzure Oh goddamnit, the difference between two dates is not a date
 
@VermillionAzure non-retarded date libraries have the concept of duration and a time point
 
Timespan != Date
 
9:40 PM
okay
 
@Lalaland you missed the message about me not using my computer? (implying that sure, I could git clone the repo onto this one, run git diff, paste the result; but I'm lazy as a motherfucker)
 
He's Cinching hard here
 
Now go and put that in your next tutorials about dates
 
@FilipRoséen-refp unconvinced. A truly lazy mf would've saved on typing with "lazy ass motherfucker"
 
user1804599
JetBrains got new logos.
 
user1804599
9:42 PM
And a fucking splash screen on their website, WTF.
 
lol
 
Lol on the edit mason — user233674 2 hours ago
PC strikes again #disgusted
 
@Elyse WTF, that is annoying!
 
@sehe I'm LAME (Lazy Ass Motherfucking Ediot).
 
@Elyse This, however is mucho cool:
 
9:45 PM
I'm really annoyed by the upcoming modules specification
:(
 
> Motherintercourser
 
@FilipRoséen-refp Why?
@Morwenn :D
 
@Morwenn oh. of course...
 
user1804599
lol
 
user1804599
Just installed PhpStorm and already found a bug.
 
user1804599
9:47 PM
You can't create a project without dependencies.
 
user1804599
You have to select at least one dependency.
 
ShitStorm
 
its php
 
VB > PHP > VBA
 
9:49 PM
for starts, why introduce something that completely follow its own (unique) rules about scope? we have nothing which can only be put in the *"top-level"* scope (ie. only the global scope) - besides things that gotta do with modules.

why not make it possible to do something like `int main () { import std.vector; }` and only have it clutter the surrounding scope with the imported names? or at least make it so that a module-import can appear at namespace scope
 
@FilipRoséen-refp it makes sense to me, because there'll still be C++ and C interop
 
@sehe how does that matter?
if import acted more like using namespace X (<- not to be taken literally) and less like what it is now, I'd be more satisfied
 
Modules will have namespaces encoded in them, and importing in sub namespaces would violate principle of least surprise.
 
@sehe not sure if I see your point; what's the surprises regarding the semantics of namespace N { using namespace M; }?
 
@FilipRoséen-refp I'm not at all sure why this is important. The point of the module is that it would still need to honour good old ODR, so what would happen when you import in two different namespaces, according to you?
It sounds to me you just want limited scope of import (I'm all in favour) but conflating it with namespaces is not desirable
 
9:54 PM
@sehe yes, I'm after limiting the scope of an import - but I will have to look up the definition of "conflating" (hold on)
@sehe oh, I'm not trying to conflate the two - I just wish that module-imports would follow the semantics of using namespace xxx; instead of.. well, what it is now
I'm all for (or at least not annoyed by) that module-export declarations should belong in the top level
but I really can't see why module-import has to have the same requirement
 
What's that you say? You'd like to continue the pain train of absurdly bad support? Uber is so terrible I don't even know what to say. First, they can't solve the simple problem of someone else signing up with my email account. Now one tech support guy got ME confused with another tech support person and started emailing me calling me APRIL. You can't make this stuff up. The level of confusion here is astronomical
 
@Prismatic is that a quote, or your words to us?
 
@sehe such a big difference in meaning for such a small actual difference
 
@FilipRoséen-refp its me continuing my story of someone else signing up to Uber with my email address... doesnt make a lot of sense without context but Ive been complaining about it for a couple of days here now :p
Also how are you, I havent seen you around a lot recently
 
@FilipRoséen-refp: Ok, I do not know the full specification. Isn't there even more than one different proposal for modules? It seems to me that despite similarities, modules and namespaces are orthogonal features. You can still import and then do namespace X { using namespace Y; }, assuming you have created a namespace in the module you are importing.
 
9:58 PM
@Prismatic oh, sounds like a pain. are you on US soil? sue 'em; problem solved ;-)
 
@FilipRoséen-refp IDGI that's doing two things: it's importing the module (so you get the symbols it defines) and duplicating/injecting that into the current namespace. What's better?
(Also, AFAICT modules should be able to contain multiple (levels of) namespaces, so what would you expect to happen there?)
 
@Borgleader Yeah, quality pun produce
 
@FilipRoséen-refp its not that bad, they just keep spamming me with receipts and stuff for rides I didnt take. Its a security issue imo and these people cant solve such a trivial problem
 
@wilx Precisely. Also, there are 2 competing (some say converging) proposals
 
9:59 PM
@sehe what? if you consider the semantics of nested namespaces and using namespace X where X has sub-namspaces; what is the problem?
 
@FilipRoséen-refp mmm. What about the first point, though?
 
@sehe bringing in the symbols will still happen, and the definitions referred to are still in namespace Y, even though the members of Y can be reached from X
 
@Prismatic Is your email account even secured? I mean, don't they have some sort of email verification on sign on?
 
just like having using namespace Y in namespace X
 
@FilipRoséen-refp Huh. X, Y? Wasn't it N, M earlier? #confused
 
10:01 PM
@Prismatic I'm fine thank you! just that I've been working too much lately so I've been like a living (but not really) zombie
feeling better now though
 
@Jefery: The whole soundtrack of Hotline Miami is pretty good.
 
@sehe s/Y/M/; s/X/N/;
;-)
 
@FilipRoséen-refp So, what is so much better than, if at all? Can't you just import, and do the using namespace as per your special preference?
@FilipRoséen-refp that's not helping, anyways I think I got it
@FilipRoséen-refp tr/YX/MN/ btw
 
@sehe people often fail to understand tr, so I've stopped using it in public
 
10:03 PM
@sehe not if you import from two modules that export the same name
 
3 mins ago, by Filip Roséen - refp
@sehe bringing in the symbols will still happen, and the definitions referred to are still in namespace Y, even though the members of Y can be reached from X
> bringing in the symbols will still happen, and the definitions referred to are still in namespace Y
so... nothing is solved
 
@wilx No they don't have any email verification. The same person signed up for two companies (Uber, and some other one I dont remember the name of) and they both dont have email verification steps. I see this more and more with new companies; I think they feel that email verification is a hassle and they skip it
 
Modules don't radically change the way linking works, conceptually, amirite?
 
@sehe it sure is, because the symbols of module X is owned by module X (unless we are talking templates and other non-module owned entities) - as such an implementation could do whatever name-mangling it wants
 
@Prismatic WTF, that sounds pretty dangerous.
 
10:05 PM
@FilipRoséen-refp ah, so ABI is being extended here?
 
@Prismatic Well, what about signing into their web site, since you have access to the email and simply deleting the account?
 
@sehe "owning Module is Part of an Entity’s Identity" (from the linked paper), it's in there
 
@wilx Yeah, dude. I have this guy's travel itinerary. Every time he gets a ride from these companies I get an email detailing his trip... its so stupid
 
@Prismatic Why would anybody do this? Is it a case of simple typo / one character difference in names?
 
@wilx I think signing in as someone else might be identity fraud
 
10:07 PM
@Prismatic It is, IMHO.
 
@sehe ABI in what sense? you won't be able to share compiled modules between implementations, and there's nothing saying that std::fstream after #include <fstream> is the same as the one potentially introduced by import std.io (or wherever std::fstream would end up)
 
@FilipRoséen-refp hmm. Okay, that's not what I seemed to remember. Perhaps I'm mixing proposals here
 
@wilx Yes, its definitely a case of a typo. My email is 'firstname.lastname@gmail.com'... and my name isn't all that unique apparently.
 
@FilipRoséen-refp in the sense where ABI defines mangling AOT
 
@FilipRoséen-refp I think that it must, otherwise modules would be completely non-compatible.
 
10:09 PM
@Puppy I've seen nothing stating that this is the case, but I'd be happy to be corrected on that part
@Puppy or hmm.. I guess you are right now that I think about it
 
@Prismatic John.Smith@gmail.com? :)
 
since the top-level (global) namespace is always the same
so that changes things..
 
@wilx I don't even want to imagine what john.smith@gmail.com goes through lol
 
@sehe ^
but now I have to study the owning-entity-thingie
but no wait, owning entities can't follow that rule given the wording
maybe I should head home, starting to feel kinda tired
 
those graphics omg
 
10:12 PM
though I do have a large cup of coffee next to me.. so maybe I should just drink that and work some
 
@AlexM. dude for the longest time I wanted a MK1 GTI
I still do
 
fucking sexy euro car
 
*dies
 
pls post e30 bimmer
 
10:13 PM
no pls post toyota ae86
 
stfu vtec nerd
 
I liked the nissan 350z from the original nfsu2
 
pending coffee and a smoke *ploff*
 
@wilx Yup
 
@AlexM. Is that real time?
 
10:17 PM
yes that's how the game looks
 
I think I need to change coliru's archiving to timestamp-based. Then I can backup incrementally. And store old files in tar.gz.
 
@EtiennedeMartel domagoj made it
of course
 
@StackedCrooked What do you mean?
The OS already keeps track of the last edit and timestamp of creation
You don't need to do anything yourself
 
Currently files are hashed and stored in a directory with hash as a name. E.g /f1/29e128a92b5d252015
 
user1804599
public final function visit(ExpressionVisitor $visitor) {
    $method = 'visit' . end(explode('\\', get_class($this)));
    $visitor->$method($this);
}
 
user1804599
10:22 PM
PHP is awesome.
 
user1804599
So little boilerplate.
 
I should change that to e.g: 2015/12/11/23:22:29
 
You don't need to do that to backup incrementally
 
@Elyse vomits
 
user1804599
JetBrains is bad at software.
 
user1804599
10:34 PM
 
I don't understand their pricing model
anyway - good night everyone
 
do any of you use steam
 
are there chat rooms in math.stackexchange ?
 
@Elyse epic fail
 
Linux sex: date; unzip; strip; touch; mount; yes; etc.. Windows sex: start; explore; reboot; viruscheck; solitaire
 
10:38 PM
 
@FilipRoséen-refp :D
 
@Mysticial Thank You!
 
Another day, another copy/paste fuck up
 
@Jefery currently it's hard to discern which files are new
 
this is an interesting concept sergeytihon.wordpress.com/2015/10/25/…
1 F# article/day
 
10:43 PM
@Prismatic none of us chat.stackoverflow.com/…
 
how do I view my current downloads in steam
I hate this UI so much gawd
 
Select 'downloads' from the category list
 
mouseover "Library"
there's a "Downloads" entry.
 
ohhhhhhhhhh
 
10:48 PM
click on that
on the thing at the bottom
if you can't see it, there are no downloads to see
 
okay ty
 
How do I find happiness?
 
you grep for it
 
@Morwenn Through struggle, tears and sweat.
@Morwenn IMHO, happiness is reachable only for short periods of time. Much like orgasm.
 
I'll read WikiHow articles. I'm sure it will help.
> How to Pierce Your Own Penis
 
10:57 PM
I just bought this cool pic of two t rex's fighting over a circular saw. https://t.co/kmIgya3ZIC
Oh man. Whole new levels of punning
 
> wikihow article on finding happiness
> no mention of money being a requirement
 
Wow, they really live up to their slogan.
 
wikihow knows shit
 
@sehe The Christians are not amused.
 
I know. It's a good joke nonetheless. I opted to link to twitter, which guards the imagelink with a warning :)
 
10:59 PM
@sehe Genious :D
 

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