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10:00 AM
Fixed width integers like uint64_t are only provided if the implementation supports the type. So even if your code is standard C++ there is no guarantee that it will work on all platforms.
 
sbi
@Insilico A lot of the code was a decade old, although we (hesitatingly) replace some of the core code over the years, to gain better performance, smaller memory footprints etc.
 
sbi
@StackedCrooked Yeah. And L"this is a wide string" will be UTF-16 on some platform, and UTF-32 on others. When you code cross-platform, you will have to deal with that.
 
@Insilico Same problem there.
 
Xeo
Ugh. Having to support Unicode in an App... my biggest fear.
 
10:02 AM
@sbi: Does C++11 have proper Unicode suffixes?
 
sbi
@Insilico I think so. I hadn't had a chance to use C++111, though.
 
I heard that the newest standard have proper Unicode types
 
Xeo
@Insilico Prefixes. L"UTF-8", u"UTF-16", U"UTF-32" IIRC
 
@Xeo: Ah. I was thinking of the user-defined suffixes.
 
@Insilico Unfortunately not.
the only Unicode support in the new Standard is fixed-size character types, and Unicode literals
it doesn't offer any meaningful Unicode support
 
10:04 AM
I assume that u"UTF-16", and U"UTF-32" are different types?
 
sbi
@Xeo What? They are making the L prefix an UTF-8 prefix? Are you sure? I bet that would brake gazillions of LoC across the globe!
 
@sbi Yeah, I don't think that's accurate. The L prefix is already for UTF-16 on Windows
 
@DeadMG: I figured as much. I can deal with that with a proper Unicode library
 
@Xeo I have written desktop apps that were deployed on Windows and Mac and translated to 20+ languages. The procedure is simple: use std::string everywhere (UTF-8) and do a just-in-time conversion to std::wstring (UTF-16) when interfacing with WinAPI.
 
sbi
@DeadMG Not when you're using GCC, I think.
 
10:05 AM
yeah, and it'd be even worse because it's UTF-32 on Unix
fundamentally, the Standard would break overload resolution by changing the type of L"some string"
 
Xeo
Well, then I didn't remember correctly. :P
 
// "just-in-time" conversion to utf16
void SetText(HWND inHandle, const std::string & inText) {
    std::wstring utf16String = ToUTF16(inText);
    SetWindowText(inHandle, utf16String.c_str());
}
 
I like how you didn't actually set the text in a function called SetText
:P
 
@DeadMG fixed :D
 
yesterday, by R. Martinho Fernandes
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@RMartinho just posted this ^^ at a vim question: stackoverflow.com/a/9428843/85371
 
Xeo
10:07 AM
@DeadMG bool give_true(){ return false; } never trust names!
 
@sehe: O_O
 
@DeadMG This is old code and it's funny how I used a named variable for the wstring back then because I wasn't certain if it would work as a temporary.
 
sbi
@StackedCrooked For one, and only one, release, we used std::string to hold UTF-8 strings in that software. It was the first Unicode release we ever made, and it was the last where we did that. It was a nightmare, since UTF-8 string kept creeping into the GUI unconverted. We literally had hundreds of bugs reported (by the test department of a major software company) within a few weeks. It almost drove us mad, and some still slipped through the net.
For the next release, UTF-8 strings were held in a std::basic_string<unsigned char>. This made the compiler complain when you tried to assign it to a std::string, made us find hundred more bugs at compile-time, and put an end to all those worries.
 
@Xeo kinda
 
yesterday, by R. Martinho Fernandes
Gosh, that's scary.
 
10:09 AM
@Xeo: That's almost as bad as GetMessage() in the Windows API
that function returns a BOOL
 
@sbi Since WinAPI requires wchar_t we never had the problem.
 
Xeo
@SethCarnegie Great, can you upload the Clang 3.0 clang/tools/driver/driver.cpp file for me somewhere? I want to patch it to make a.exe the default output on Windows
 
@Insilico hahahahaha
never noticed that
 
Xeo
@Insilico TRUE, FALSE, FILE_NOT_FOUND?
 
10:11 AM
@Xeo: "nonzero, zero, -1"
 
@Xeo you can dl the src from the lock website
 
You have to cast the BOOL to a proper integer type
 
Xeo
"Ha, screw binary logic!"
 
sbi
@StackedCrooked There's also a non-Unicode version for every WinAPI call. And the GUIs on some Linux variants (wxWindows, back then, IIRC) took system-encoding, which usually was UTF-8. And OSX has UTF-32 in its API calls...
 
BOOL is more than bool.
 
10:12 AM
Like -1 means "this function failed"
0 means "Time to quit"
something greater than zero means "Got message"
 
@sbi hmm, that's kind of clever
 
sbi
@StackedCrooked BOOL is bigger than bool.
 
@Xeo llvm* website
 
Xeo
@SethCarnegie Yeah, but I don't want to get the whole source for a single file. :p
 
sbi
@jalf Thanks. I came up with that. :)
 
10:12 AM
@sbi Ok. The code I'm talking about was written in 2007-2008, perhaps things had already changed by then. And we didn't have to support Linux.
And we never used SetWindowTextA variants.
 
@Xeo I don't have the src right now, I can probably do it tomorrow if you want though
 
Xeo
Ah, ok, then I'll have to make-do with the full source.
I'd kinda need you to test my patch, though :D
 
I wish there was a way to disable the CreateWindow() --> CreateWindowA() or CreateWindowW() macros
 
Xeo
Heh, buildbots... "buildbot: ... failed. blamelist: A, B, C -- B: I hope that was C"
 
sbi
@StackedCrooked IIRC, the first time we were required to Unicode-enable our software was 2001. That code was used in quite a few applications, not all of which we could afford to make Unicode-aware. So we had to be able to switch the whole code from system encoding to Unicode with a #define, still make it compile and run properly, and display all the right strings, no matter what encoding some parts would throw at the rest of the code.
 
Xeo
10:15 AM
@Insilico Wasn't there a #define for that?
 
@Xeo: I don't know. I can't seem to find it
The only place where I include windows.h is in source files
 
if you look in Windows.h, there's a list of macros which you can use to turn parts off
 
I don't include windows.h in headers because of all the global stuff
 
sbi
@Xeo No. The <windows.h> header defines thousands of macros, many of which have very popular names, without any means to turn this off globally. It's a nightmare.
 
Xeo
Ugh
 
10:17 AM
I mean I understand that the Windows API is practically older than modern C++ by at least a few years
But it's really annoying that I can't turn them off
I end up restricting its inclusion in only source files
And use the PIMPL idiom to hide the member variables
 
sbi
@DeadMG In that company we had our own "Windows.h" header, which would turn off everything that could be turned off, except for what you specified explicitly (using a #define) because you needed it. Including this in a header basically made your cow-worker trample you to death on the spot, no questions asked.
 
@Insilico The Windows API has it's roots in 1985, I believe
 
or recreate some of Windows datatypes (using different names of course) the same way Boost does
 
@sbi Funny, because I just created my own "Windows.h" header with the exact same principle
 
Boost does something like
        namespace win32
        {

# ifdef _WIN64
            typedef unsigned __int64 ulong_ptr;
# else
            typedef unsigned long ulong_ptr;
# endif
            typedef void* handle;
            unsigned const infinite=~0U;
            unsigned const timeout=258U;
            handle const invalid_handle_value=(handle)(-1);
 
10:21 AM
if only all boost libs did that
boost.thread still happily includes windows.h in its headers
 
That's how Boost avoids having to include windows.h and still be able to use Windows datatypes
@jalf: Doesn't the Boost libs have a macro called BOOST_USE_WINDOWS_H to control that?
 
@Insilico not afaik. I'd love if you could prove me wrong :)
I know I filed a bug N versions ago to get boost.thread to work without including windows.h in its headers. That got closed with a wontfix
might have been cleaned up since then, of course
 
In the link in my last message the file includes windows.h only when BOOST_USE_WINDOWS_H is defined
 
or maybe I just asked about it on the mailing list and was told "that's just how it is"
can't remember
 
IMO, someone should just ship a pleasant wrapper :P
 
10:23 AM
Anyway, including windows.h certainly shouldn't be necessary. If Boost requires it, it's just lazy
 
sbi
@Insilico It's fine if a well-maintained 3rd-party lib does that and keeps it up to date. I'd never do this in my own code, though. Making sure these always match the API versions of those types even in just a medium-sized piece of software will turn into a maintenance nightmare within half a decade.
 
@sbi: Yeah I wished there was a less hacky way of dealing with it
I can completely avoid it using the PIMPL idiom
But PIMPL requires allocation from the free store so I don't use it for every class that requires platform-specific types
 
personally I just use inheritance and factory
IMO, if you're going to dynamically allocate, then you may as well expose that to the user so they know the cost of what they're doing
although, of course, that choice is somewhat influenced by the fact that, for me, I might have an application that wants to choose between rendering pipelines at run-time
 
@DeadMG: True, but that may be a bit more work than I want to put in. :-P
 
lol
 
10:38 AM
Although I would be surprised if Microsoft completely changed the size of their fundamental datatypes, seeing that it is documented: msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa383751.aspx
 
@DeadMG If I had access to a Windows machine (I'll try a VM soon) I'd love to write a decent C++11 wrapper around the WinAPI. It's just… I have no Windows.
 
aaargh, MIT's Windows kerberos lib is such a broken piece of shit
fuck them
 
what is kerberos?
sounds familiar but I can't place it
 
@DeadMG: It's an authentication protocol
 
@daknøk the problem is that it's a big API. A lot of work to wrap it, and even more work to keep your wrapper updated
 
10:41 AM
@DeadMG: wiki link
 
ah
 
@jalf: Although Microsoft very rarely changes the interface
 
@Insilico Yeah, but you still need to know if/when they do
 
That's why GetMessage() returns a BOOL even though it can return 3 different values
 
TROOL!
Oh wait I do have a Windows installation, but that's in VirtualBox and it's got only 2 GB of RAM.
 
10:45 AM
@daknøk How much RAM does VirtualBox need so that it doesn't run like crap?
 
@Insilico at least 128 GB
 
Do distributed memory count? :-P
 
ok
 
I can try VMware Fusion (which is very good) but that's 50 bucks.
 
how on earth does render to texture code work when surfaces and textures are unrelated in the Direct3D interface?
:(
 
10:47 AM
Unfortunately the most 3D I've done was to render molecules
So I don't know jack about surfaces vs. textures :-(
 
it's ok
apparently, they have one function that creates render targets, and then another function that creates render targets
and one of them is read/write and the other is just write
not very helpful, but something I'll live with
 
I thought I read your last message wrong until you said one was R/W and one is W only. XD
 
nope
CreateRenderTarget gives you a surface, and CreateTexture gives you a texture, which contains a surface
because you can only write to surfaces and you can only read textures
a confusing and irrelevant semantic difference, in my opinion
but hey
I'll only have to refactor a couple hundred lines at most
 
I would've thunk that CreateTexture() accepts a surface?
In case you already have a surface to work with?
 
CreateTexture creates a new texture
shoulda created a texture when you first made it, buddy :P
 
10:50 AM
So is this DirectX 11 or 10?
 
9, actually
11 made the genius move of ditching their pre-provided text interface and then simply not replacing it with anything, so if you want to render text to the screen it's endlessly irritating, and 10 has no value
the simple truth is that I don't need any new shizzles, I need ease of use, and 9 is better for that than 10 or 11
 
I heard that 11 takes the "all or nothing" approach with rendering capability, no?
 
well
they certainly dropped a lot of their easier APIs
 
It would be nice to not worry about the 123123412364572348 different combinations of device capabilities
 
oh, 10 did that too, and it was a big mistake to allow it in D3D9
technically, you could be a Direct3D 9.0c device and hardly support any useful operations
DirectX 10 and 11 have much more meaningful restrictions
but they really don't offer much if you're not going to implement the next Crysis
 
10:53 AM
Again, the most 3D I've done was biomolecule visualization. :-P
 
lol
 
Accuracy of rendering is obviously the most important thing
Although even my crappy rendering code produces better visualizations than JMol's pseudo-3D rendering business
 
lol
 
Is there no rule against using regional languages in room names and room descriptions ?
 
Stack Overflow is in English, and if you want to speak, then you have to speak English
as far as I am aware
but if you were going to create a special room for non-English speakers, then I don't see the harm
I'm pretty sure that holds for any chat room which does not make an explicit point of non-English-speaking
 
10:58 AM
I have a problem with people from my country forming cliques wherever they go ! and I see a room active in the chat rooms everyday which uses a regional language in both the description and the name.
 
There is a room called "કેઝ્યુઅલ ચેટ" here so apparently there's a precedent
 
That's why I ask
@Insilico The room I am talking about
 
if the Meta Police were going to do something about it, then they would have done so by now
 
Chat is very informal so I think it would be fine
 
Gujrati language ... from India
 
11:00 AM
Your username is very appropriate for me since it's 3:00 AM where I am right now (except I'm not angry) :-P
 
hmm , well , no biggie ! I just wish that they would give up being frogs in a well and mix with the huge international community that thrives here
 
feel free to drop in and suggest that to them
 
@Insilico :D and inappropriate for here , its 4 P.M.
 
11am
@Insilico Merkin?
 
@DeadMG Hmm , tried , but ignorance is bliss it seems ! sigh
 
11:01 AM
The magic of technology!
 
magic indeed :P
 
@angryInsomniac People are unreliable morons. So what's new?
 
@DeadMG Nothing really :)
 
pubic hair wig? wtf?
 
11:02 AM
@Insilico ?!
 
no
Merkin is a slang term specific to this room, which refers usually to people in the United States
 
HAHAHA :)
 
sbi
I think one member of the meta police who were present here recently said that the language should be restricted to English, except when the room is explicitly designated for chatting in another language. To me that seems to indicate that it is Ok to have rooms in other languages.
 
@DeadMG: I'm in California, so yes the U.S.
 
sbi
@DeadMG You're probably the last of the regulars who hadn't heard this.
 
11:04 AM
@sbi They dont chat in the regional language inside the room though , its all English ! Its just a clique where the room name serves to discourage other people from joining in
 
It would be good to do a search engine query for words before you use them for something else :-P
 
@sbi That surprises me not :P
 
@angryInsomniac: Perhaps they're practicing their English?
 
@Insilico I didn't create such slang term :P
 
@Insilico I think the double meaning is kinda the point :)
 
11:05 AM
My (head) hair may be in terrible shape at times but I don't see the resemblance. :-P
 
@Insilico Nope ... really that's not the case .. I'm not being the generic angry person on the internet :P Its just a pet peeve of mine I guess
 
Good thing I don't need to wake up until 12:00 PM here
Although I still manage to not get enough sleep. -__-
But I'm going to try this time
Nite
 
sbi
@angryInsomniac I don't feel I can say anything against a discouraging room title as long as there even is a Java room. :)
3
 
haha
niiiice
 
@sbi :D
Zing ! :)
 
sbi
11:10 AM
I think even Java jokes are still Ok here as long as they are witty. :b
 
ripping Java is still the fastest way to get starred
 
@sbi Sad that I have to be relegated to Java during office hours !
 
sbi
@angryInsomniac Don't sweat it. I am forced (at gunpoint) to write C# for a living.
 
C#'s not as bad as Java
 
@sbi C# is fun.
 
11:11 AM
at least it doesn't have pussy generics, and it does have lambdas and some operator overloading
 
Not nearly as crummy !
Although I cant say that I dont miss garbage collection when using C++ !
 
@angryInsomniac I can
 
sbi
@DeadMG But then I'm not as bad as @angryInsomniac either!
 
no such thing as garbage collection of COM types, or GPU resources
@sbi True true
 
@angryInsomniac see about fourteen hours ago in this chat. :P
 
11:12 AM
@sbi Yeah yeah ... rip on the new guy :)
 
Clang has "Minimal support for garbage collection and reachability-based leak detection" listed on their C++ status page.
 
Although I cant say that I dont miss garbage collection when using C++ ! then again ... I'm not as good as @sbi now am I ? :D
 
sbi
@angryInsomniac I learned C++ somewhen in the mid-90s. Except for Alf and maybe Jerry, you are all new to this.
 
yeah
I've only been doing C++ for three years
 
@sbi I meant new to the room , anyways I don't doubt that you are much more skilled and experienced than I am :)
 
11:14 AM
I've only been doing it for three months.
 
I just used multiple inheritance
:(
 
sbi
@angryInsomniac I joined this room 1.5 years ago. Except for a very few, you are all new to this.
 
@daknøk What exactly are you referring to ?
 
@angryInsomniac quiz, what does this do? std::cout << (std::string("Hello, ") + "world!") << '\n';
@angryInsomniac Garbage collection vs RAII fight yesterday.
 
no such thing- RAII win every time
 
11:16 AM
@daknøk Print out all numbers of pi :P
 
@angryInsomniac then something is horribly wrong with your compiler. d:
 
@daknøk Yes ... there is , this is the office Mac :D It doesn't even have an updated gcc compiler on it !
 
@angryInsomniac you can always try ideone.com.
 
@sbi Really ? I didnt know that the community was this fresh ! With people having such heavy rep scores
@daknøk No rights to install anything on these things
@daknøk Whoops ... just checked the link :)
 
sbi
@angryInsomniac So is several years old. (2008?) The chat, however, isn't.
 
11:18 AM
@angryInsomniac Stack Overflow has been around significantly longer than the chat
 
woah, three @angryInsomniac messages at the same time.
 
@IntermediateHacker That's nothing. I've seen four or even five
 
@IntermediateHacker angry, insomniac people can type really fast. Didn't you know that?
 
@IntermediateHacker Yay !! me popular !! why is @daknøk being censored ? :D
 
Censored?
 
11:20 AM
since sbi's message has 21 stars right now, I guess that makes him a 21-star programmer. Oh yeah, void*********************.
 
I removed my message myself since it was obsolete and redundant.
 
@angryInsomniac @daknøk removed the message himself.
 
@IntermediateHacker See .. you can tell I'm new :D
 
1 message moved to bin
that's censored
 
What was ▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓?
 
11:22 AM
@angryInsomniac but your profile says you've been an SO user for 1 year & 6 months. You're even older than me.
 
So if I say things like shit mother fucking piss cunt !
it'll be censored ? :)
 
then nobody at all will care
 
Xeo
@angryInsomniac We don't give a fuck.
@DeadMG won't even give a flying fuck.
 
@angryInsomniac We don't give a Java at all.
 
only the room owners and possibly moderators can censor
 
11:22 AM
@DeadMG nonregulars might
 
@IntermediateHacker I made the account a long time ago , never used it though :)
 
Anyone with 20+ rep can flag, afaik.
 
@sehe I may or may not make a reference to some form of aerial copulation.
@daknøk And we can all counterflag
 
@daknøk And the Java rips start again :P
@Xeo flying fuck :D
 
Only mother-fucking assholes who have the same fucking IQ as a 7 year olds flag fucking messages.
 
11:23 AM
You might get banned if you insult people, but just saying "fuck" or "cunt" to express frustration/Java is accepted.
 
lol, I went overboard. :D
 
I sense a cuss explosion on the horizon :D
 
@DeadMG I thought you moved to natational copulations?
 
natational?
what on earth is that?
 
Very national.
 
11:24 AM
@IntermediateHacker You think
 
heh
I don't give an English fuck? :P
 
@DeadMG google?
 
eh
 
@angryInsomniac try using a gravatar.
 
the only results were completely dodgy sites and Wiki's got nothing
oh
 
11:26 AM
@DeadMG You start a joke... be prepared to see it coming back :)
 
I didn't know So chat allows you to be awkward and creepy :D (ref# start a new room with me and this person whose profile I am looking at) :D
 
I could give a French fuck, though, cause let's face it, who'd want to fuck the French?
 
user142019
Hi
 
@IntermediateHacker I thought that my avatar is a gravatar !?
 
@angryInsomniac That's what the ignore feature isfor
 
11:26 AM
@DeadMG I think you missed the point. lmgtfy:
 
sbi
@angryInsomniac Not in this room. On the rest of SO, you're out in the cold against the meta police, though.
 
yeah
we protect you
 
@angryInsomniac I mean, upload a pic for your gravatar. There are too many avatar-less gradient pattern people as it is.
 
the C++ Community shall be your shield, if you shall donate all of your earthly possessions, then your faith in the Room Owners shall protect you from the evil Meta Police
 
11:27 AM
@sbi whats this in reference to ?
 
sbi
@DeadMG That's plain wrong. Anyone can flag a message, and if a message aggregates too many flags, it will be removed and the user banned for a while.
 
@IntermediateHacker Hmm , well since I use it regularly now , maybe I will :)
 
@sbi Flagging and censoring are different things, in my opinion
 
@IntermediateHacker Btw , is the gameboy your avatar for a reason ?
 
I've seen enough flags counterflagged
 
11:28 AM
@DeadMG incidentally, that ^^ was the first hit
 
@angryInsomniac yes and no.
 
sbi
@angryInsomniac Follow the arrow. (And read the newbie hints, dammit!)
 
@sehe The Webster dictionary is a pile of junk. Oxford English Dictionary or no dice
 
@sbi I tried :D Its not linked !!
 
huh, apparently they do have it
strange
I'd always just use naval, instead of aerial
 
sbi
11:29 AM
@angryInsomniac It is for me.
 
a naval fuck is a much better equivalent to aerial fuck
 
@sbi When I click on it , it goes to one of DeadMG's messages
 
a nuclear fuck is the most destructive. but then there are chemical fucks too.
 
@IntermediateHacker Clusterfucks!
 
And ... the cussing explosion has begun :D
 
11:31 AM
ah, it's not your fault
I'm fairly legendary for not giving flying fucks
 
sbi
@angryInsomniac That would a glitch in your browser. (It does refer to you, and you were plink'd for it, after all.) Very likely, though, the problem is between your monitor and your chair's back.
 
Proving time and again that no matter in what context .. guys will fuck around :D
 
@DeadMG google "oxford natation", first hit: encyclopedia.com/doc/1O27-natation.html
 
@sbi You think you're smart ? :D but I'm standing around and typing stuff in !! (bluetooth keyboard ftw)
 
3 mins ago, by DeadMG
huh, apparently they do have it
 
11:33 AM
@DeadMG no, because aerial was intended to mean "flying", not "as in related to aeronautics"
 
not really seeing the point here
 
sbi
@angryInsomniac I said "Very likely..."
 
an aerial fuck takes place in the air, a naval fuck takes place in the water
 
aeronautical-fuck?
 
@ScottW you too
 
11:34 AM
@sbi yes you did !
 
@ScottW good afternoon
 
@daknøk It's afternoon here too.
 
@IntermediateHacker k
 
@angryInsomniac It's all about Teh Deadzor™
 
@DeadMG @DeadMG -> the black hole for all wierd glitches !
 
11:38 AM
om nom nom
 
I had a dream last night about SCons and premake4.
 
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Q: Superscripts in Chat?

IntermediateHackerCan there be support for superscripting in SO chat? Possibly with a syntax such as: ^^text^^ For example: My birthday is On the 27^^th^^ of February or Teh Internetz^^TM^^ It will be quite awesome. Thanks.

 
But I've never used SCons.
Tomorrow I'm going to offer a 500 rep bounty on the comma bug.
 
what, for some random user to fix the bug?
cause that's quite impossible no matter what bounty you offer
 
@daknøk woah. You should sue SO for this blasphemous insult! a comma in front of your name???
 
11:45 AM
yeah, man
 
@IntermediateHacker behind it, actually. And it's highlighted!
 
sbi
Do you guys agree that this should be closed as a dupe?
 
So how about you guys from the C++ chat band together and help Phil Nash build an ass-kicking note-taking application?
@klmr that would be ideal :-) I have a "better note book app" on my list of things to do
 
@sbi A dupe of which question?
@KonradRudolph for which platform?
 
11:52 AM
@sbi It's not strictly a dupe, but I do agree.
Voted to close.
 
Why would someone ever want to overload that operator?
 
@daknøk But for starters, OS X … since that’s what I’m using ;)
 
@KonradRudolph I'm using OS X too (:
 
@daknøk So we are in agreement then. When can you start?
I’ve already created a design document: gist.github.com/1900350
 
11:55 AM
@KonradRudolph any time.
C++ or Objective-C?
 
@daknøk I’m a fan of the former but for the GUI you essentially don’t have the choice if you want to create something native
although I’d be interested to see if it’s possible to do this well in HTML
 
sbi
@daknøk From my POV a question is a dupe of another question if it can be adequately answered by an answer from the other question. It doesn't need to use the same words, nor does the OP need to understand that his question is already answered by an answer to the other question. (If this weren't so, we could never close the "What's the result of ++i + i++?" questions, because those who ask them usually have never heard about sequence points.)
 
Just use vim.
 
@KonradRudolph creating just the GUI in Objective-C and IB and the model stuff in C++ allows for easy porting to Windows and Linux.
 
@CatPlusPlus Take a look at my list of desired features. Vim isn’t suitable for that … otherwise I’d use org-mode (or rather its Vim equivalent)
@daknøk Evidently. Which is why I’d prefer this way of implementing it
 
11:57 AM
Yeah, I don't see why you'd want WYSIWYG.
 
@KonradRudolph will it be on GitHub?
 
@CatPlusPlus WYSIWYG isn’t the issue here, and also see the footnote
 
And writing in ConTeXt directly is easy.
 
@daknøk I am not developing it. So dunno :p
 
ah
 
11:59 AM
well, his other projects are on github, so I'd expect so :)
 
by the way, I'd like to ask you guys something
an object should never manage it's own lifetime, right?
 

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