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11:00
I was going to star that, the I thought to myself "wait a minute, that doesn't sound right"
@GregorMcGregor lol
he's all jealous coz he doesn't have an entry in the urbandictionary
Lolwhat. When I run my testsuite works when I run it from Code::Blocks but it fails when I run it from the command line.
Might be caused by different environment.
> Code::Blocks
ewwww
@Morwenn Probably paths or environment?
@wilx I don't know. I suspect that tests are not executed/run/compiled in the same order and that it may have unfortunate consequences.
@LucDanton select human from room slide by floor
Uh, I guess I had a linkage problem.
Found the bug: I had several different classes with the same name in different .cpp files. Since I didn't guard them with an anonymous namespace it caused a linker issue.
11:16
Yeah, don't do that. :D
> Compile process is not finished yet. This should not happen.
@CatPlusPlus how's Carrotting going? :D
When I write tests, I tend to copy-paste more stuff, so names tend to be the same in different files even though they represent different things ._____.
Past like 16 hours were another input battle to get mouse working
Full of FUN
yes but if you keep the end result in mind it's worth the effort :P
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11:22
@Morwenn Stop copying and pasting stuff and cut and paste (into functions) instead.
@Elyse In the end, it wasn't the same thing. The classes were different enough, but close enough to have the same name.
And seriously, tests are repetitive.
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more like savethescrollbar.org
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jesus christ making scrolling suck on a website is harder than making it not suck (as it requires actually writing code)
why are some web designers such utter morons
A <a href="#the-past"></a>.
11:30
@CatPlusPlus reminder to sleep sometime
I woke up about 19 yesterday so it's not that bad
> Big Media
Ok, I'm done reading.
Fuck using scare tactics to support legitimate causes.
> After years of deliberate delays President Obama rejected the Keystone XL pipeline today. This is a victory for radical environmentalists and those who wish America ill.
lol "radical environmentalists"
allah globalwarmingbar
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Global warming is more like global Dunning–Kruger.
And people are not even globally hotter :(
11:39
@GregorMcGregor that's redundant
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@GregorMcGregor Rather that than Chinese radicals.
@Morwenn Smoooooth
climatoskeptics are amazing
people were so convinced that the earth was the centre of universe once
and all, cow farts contribute more to the global warming than cars
Let's invade India then.
11:49
@chmod666telkitty lol
brain farts are also quite harmful
> Essonne: une fillette de 3 ans agressée sexuellement par un autre élève
@Luc
@GregorMcGregor What.
> Le père oblige ses enfants à manger des légumes, la mère porte plainte
okay I'll go home
11:53
@GregorMcGregor Oh yeah, I remember that one :D
@GregorMcGregor new home, I gather?
but it has not gotten very homely I figure?
Oh it is very nice
pic or didn't happen
35 th floor of a modern building, I have no neighbour and a great view of the harbour.
11:54
nice
And my new flatmate opened a 17 years old bottle of wine for the welcoming dinner
I am not kidding
can you play gw2 now
@GregorMcGregor just two of you? 2 guys having dinner together with a bottle of 17 yo wine?
She's not a guy AFAICT
Very nice Japanese-German lady
11:56
how do you even chose a flatmate?
The flatmate chooses you, Harry.
Ell
Ell
@GregorMcGregor like an old lady?
@GregorMcGregor Oo, those ... have fun toy boy ;)
Late 30s I'd say
Ell
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Haha @chmod666telkitty
11:57
oh
@TonyTheLion yeah, I guess next time I get something like "hurr durr I lost the logs" I'm gonna
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What distro should I use with Vagrant?
gentoo
don't you follow your own advice?
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I need a distro that always has very recent package versions.
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And distributes package binaries.
12:02
TempleOS
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That's not a Linux distro. :v
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Is Linux Mint good for development?
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@fredoverflow you use Mint, don't you?
I'm using Arch
@Elyse Install Gentoo.
12:03
You can grab my box from CatPlusPlus/Arch
@Nooble :D
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Using Gentoo with Vagrant is a pain.
you let anyone grab your box?
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@CatPlusPlus Why?
I just rightfolded rightfold.
12:03
@Elyse Why not?
It has recent kernel
@Nooble amazing
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Why Arch instead of something else?
And I'm not concerned with keeping it alive for long periods of time
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@CatPlusPlus Is that plain Arch or does it ship with software installed?
12:05
@ElimGarak people have way too much freedom on their hands
It has Docker, sysdig and VBox guest utils
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ok.
And some VCSes
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maybe I'll use that
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12:06
meh, it has too much crap
> “Starbucks REMOVED CHRISTMAS from their cups because they hate Jesus,” then brags about “pranking” Starbucks by having them write “Merry Christmas” as his name on the cup.
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dunno
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Q: What Linux distribution has the most up-to-date packages?

Instance HunterUbuntu's release schedule is just too slow. I want the absolute latest version of everything. Even if it's slightly unstable. Which distribution will give me this without having to manually install everything from source?

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Nice, this is exactly what I'm looking for.
Mine has Packer scripts if you want to customise
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12:11
Guess I'll just use debian/jessie64 and download GHC and Cabal binaries with wget.
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wget 'http://downloads.haskell.org/~ghc/7.10.2/ghc-7.10.2-x86_64-unknown-linux-deb7.tar.bz2'
tar xf 'ghc-7.10.2-x86_64-unknown-linux-deb7.tar.bz2'
cd ghc-7.10.2
./configure --prefix=/usr/local
make install
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like that
Fuck Debian
> Sorry, OSWatershed has been taken down
lol
12:28
Man, I love John Oliver. Such a good chap.
12:44
lol new Overgrowth changelog
> Updated renderer from OpenGL 1.2 to 3.2 core
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cool
@CatPlusPlus Is this lolable?
I do not know. I do not understand the difference.
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(setq compile-command "vagrant ssh -c 'cd /vagrant && cabal test'")
Except that newer is cooler, often.
This game's been in development for about 7 years
12:46
OpenGL 1.2 Release Date: March 16, 1998
OpenGL 3.2 Release Date: August 3, 2009
And in the newest video they talk about how they considered just saying fuck it and switching to UE4 :lol:
Ni Hao
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No Hai?
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Dat tangerine.
12:49
mandarin
:D
@CatPlusPlus impressive
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Ell
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I forgot how to find books in a physical library :V
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@Ell Ask the lady who works there.
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@Ell Find the computer, search for it there.
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The computer doesn't give me instructions to find physically the book tho
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@Mgetz don't tell @R.MartinhoFernandes
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@Ell wikihow to the rescue wikihow.com/Locate-a-Book-in-a-Library
@Elyse well if that legislation passed, it would mean that SO would have to withdraw from the EU
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With pictures!
13:00
as would google and wikipedia
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A lack of World Wide Web would be very nice.
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No more web development!
yey
wait what
no SO anymore?
Good riddance
Newspapers so desperate
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usenet master raec
13:02
So C++ devs are mostly old people desprate for old tech? :D
@Elyse usenet would be illegal too
under the proposed legislation I think citations are illegal
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Your mother is a citation.
Elyse, you make this conversation less dignified
@l0oky @Elyse makes EVERYTHING less dignified
it's equal opportunity
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Adjective: dignified ‎(comparative more dignified, superlative most dignified)
  1. respectable
Verb: dignified
  1. simple past tense and past participle of dignify...
13:08
Don't try to prove yourself wrong.
Dignity+Respect=Inclusion
@l0oky Fuck inclusion.
Geebus.
No SJWs here, please!
3
I think this is called modern C++ (where polymorphism manifests at compiletime so there is no runtime overhead), and this type actually started with Alexandrescu, Abrahams and VanderVoorde. I'd look at the talk Inheritance is the base class of evil too. — sehe 7 mins ago
@l0oky Math+Language=Trainwreck
@l0oky no, this one is a rare specimen that is just mindlessly hipster and only comes to the c++ crowd for the biggest ego gratification
Could be also said to be analogue.
Xeo
Xeo
13:16
Oho. Printed version of our game arrived in our office.
is it "printed"? I think so.
Physical / boxed edition, anyways.
@Xeo The DVDs are still press-printed, are they not?
Ego is like a sword. You only use It when you need It
Xeo
Xeo
@wilx ye
@l0oky yes we all are, look at cat++ at ripen age of 23, is doing a postgrad & owns half of a company. We are all extremely old & poor & foolish
@l0oky Nah. Ego is like a big penis. If do not have one, you do not mention it. If you do have one, you flaunt it in everybody's face.
13:18
@chmod666telkitty are you talking about that rabbit game
@chmod666telkitty I like how you can be complimentary if you can suggestively include yourself :)
@Mr.kbok hush :p
@wilx People do that with penises?
TIL
I don't know anyone with a big penis (sorry, Rightfold)
@wilx That definition is a bit extreme
@sehe Shhh you filthy unemployed scum! :p
13:20
No kidding. Wilx is a bit extreme. He's apparently bored
@sehe lol
Me too :) Reporting for duty
@sehe How do you know that? I am. I am on medial leave for like 5 days now and have nothing else to do. :D
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class evil : public inheritance
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I used protected inheritance recently.
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13:21
It was a delightful experience.
@wilx It's not like you tried to keep it a secret
@wilx Or those who don't have a big one compensate by driving huge cars... Me, I'm always by foot...
@sehe :D
@Elyse that's so.... java-esque
13:21
sorry, but men don't go for the biggest penis, they go for women who don't have penis
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Yeah, I should rewrite that entire code base in Rust.
protected inheritance... yeah that's a thing
Fallout 4 review, 9/10 (Gamespot), 9.5/10 (Polygon, that asshole Arthur Gies didn't scorn it for SJW shit)
so do people actually use that?
@chmod666telkitty @Elyse would probably disagree!
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13:22
I need to add a diagnostic emission mechanism, which in C++ would amount to putting literally everything in header files.
@ScarletAmaranth Yes. And goto too!
Ahh dignity where are you in this time and age?!
@chmod666telkitty I'm sure there are men seeking for penises
@wilx gotoo
@wilx I use goto if I can justify it at least to myself (state machines, for instance)
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13:23
I use goto often.
@wilx Showing off your ego ? a?
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It's a great control structure.
@Rerito and the ones not looking for them are flaunting them in other people's faces just in case, I just learned
@wilx I will wait for elyse to successfully complete his undergrad first
@wilx exactly, remove it :D
13:23
also the fastest way to go from one point of program to another is to use goto vOv
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No, it's ;.
am I bad for never using goto?
@Mgetz If which legislation passed?
and when what you're trying to achieve sounds like this in a natural language (if x is greater than 42, go to state B), then if (x > 42) goto B; is perfectly valid
@chmod666telkitty you will know it happened by the time Andromeda reaches the size of the Pegasus constellation on the nightly sky
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13:24
goto is bad not because whatever but because it has side-effects and side-effects suck.
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EU is like the Web: it must die.
@AndyProwl Well, yes and no. No, because you can usually do without it. Yes, because you are missing on an awesome thing in life. :D
@sehe I'm trying to figure out who's being punned here but my parser fails
@AndyProwl Yes. Goto jail, do not pass start
13:25
@wilx but what's so awesome about it :D
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Perl 5 goto is quite nice, though.
you can always do without it, but sometimes it's not only convenient, but also very clear (and fast!)
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It allows proper tail calls.
The only valid use of goto is in Monopoly apparently
5 mins ago, by sehe
TIL
13:25
Pegasus is no unicorn
@Elyse It's easily the best feature in Perl 5!
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sub f { }
sub g { goto &f; } # reuses stack frame and forwards @_
I haven't found a situation where using goto makes the code more readable or easier to understand than using the most appropriate of the possible alternatives
@Elyse Nice. I have never seen this before.
@AndyProwl try writing a simple state machine
13:26
@Elyse wow. whole new levels of ugly. Leave stuff to the compiler...
Oh right! I'm a very... visual person. I picture every image whether it's figurative or not
@AndyProwl Exiting nested loops is one common use case where it is better than all alternatives.
@ScarletAmaranth Dunno, I don't think I'd use goto. It'd be quite a mess IMO
long functions and stuff
@Rerito You use Visual C++ ?
:D
@wilx hm, I don't think so but well, ICBW
13:27
@AndyProwl Error handling in C style code is another.
do you need to static_cast an expression of type T to a variant<T, U> if you want to return it from a function returning the mentioned variant or is there a more idiomatic way?
...
@wilx ok, yes, I implied C++ but good point
@ScarletAmaranth protected inheritance? yeah
JNZ and JG in assembly are also exquisite representatives
13:28
@LucDanton I have never even considered it
C got no class.. Ah this joke never gets old ( Just to be clear, I don't have anything against it )
Erm.
@ScarletAmaranth I assume most versions have a converting constructor, so nothing much to do
@l0oky I bad mouth at it mostly
@l0oky Darn. I didn't realize you could pen your own lounge epitaph so quickly
13:30
To be or not to b.. wait what?
I'd just divvy up every state into a function and return a pointer to the next state from each function. Seems reasonable, though the types would probably require a few structs because a function returning a pointer to its own type isn't a thing I think can happen
Ionno
@ScarletAmaranth mmh on second thought I may have used it in the past but now I think I use private inheritance + protected using declarations
@sehe I like to transmit my thoughts over the wire as a form of electrical signals.
@sehe Let's get done with the burying then
already done
13:31
it’s more or less the same except that you get rid of one conversion, only works if you know ahead of time what you’ll put in your using decls of course
I've been googling for use cases a bit, nothing seems too convincing
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@sehe TCO in general is impossible in Perl, because of the caller function.
lel. good feature
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C++ without Classes.
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That'd be nice.
13:33
and to get rid of the goto, well, lambdas are useful for more than just coded annotation of each group of steps or repeating the same set of steps within a function
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lambdae
@ScarletAmaranth here you'll find used cases cheap: flightcasewarehouse.co.uk/application/…
@Elyse how would that count as "without classes"
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> you have 3 months to find bugs in the http2 implementation before 1.6 ships.
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lol
13:34
IIRC you can't goto outside of the same function anyhow
@ScarletAmaranth protected crops up (in my code) whenever I have refactored or convenience 'detail' bases and I’m being careful as to what ends up in the (public) interface of the final class
I do catch myself writing quick, one-off classes in c++14 lambdata with generalized captures
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Brad Fitzpatrick is a hero.
@LucDanton well that is kinda what I use private for in general... actually more often than not I just avoid inheritance alltogether
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@jaggedSpire but you can longjmp!
13:35
brain? What is brain oh man I'm tired
@Elyse :(
@ScarletAmaranth if it’s too much private the final class can’t use anything :)
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TIL std::jmp_buf is an array type.
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weird guarantee
I can see why "concealed carry" is a topic that would appeal to you o.O
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13:38
Today's wtf
@LucDanton well I will not argue with that; still, more often than not inheritance just makes things awkward - but EBO makes up for a lot of weirdness in other areas :P
I’d rather not have repetition in my code
A guy copy pasted an STL header from C++11 prototype, customized it and it's used inside our project
@LucDanton parameterize all the things!
13:39
@Rerito that's nearly firing grounds if you ask me
@ScarletAmaranth that doesn’t make sense
You'll be repeating the parameters all over
@sehe The colleague who stumbled upon it was in pure awe
@LucDanton :(
We can curse the men who did it though. Thank you git blame
13:41
@Rerito what exactly did he feel in such dire need for to modify?
@ScarletAmaranth He wanted to implement a copy on write shared ptr if I get it right
@Rerito sounds better than forwarding all the arguments to the underlying type or using public inheritance
I got a haircut
@milleniumbug yo the license
I can't see why it's bad to forward all the arguments to the underlying type?
13:42
@milleniumbug That doesn't belong to the realm of sanity if you ask me
For example if I wanted std::unique_ptr but with implicit conversion to the pointer, I'd have to rewrite everything
You find committing infringement preferable?
@LucDanton Yeah, that may or may not be a problem depending on the project
You can derive and use a bunch of using declarations
IOW is your project under GPL
13:44
@Mgetz So, there's a draft of a communication from the EC that outlines their plans to harmonise copyright law across member states' borders, and the Internet goes aflame about all sorts of doomsday scenarios over legislation that does not exist, and that won't exist as a proposal until next spring.
@AndyProwl That's what I would have thought
I haven't read it entirely, but the communication doesn't mention hyperlinks, and it's impossible to Google for someone actually quoting the relevant passages because the Internet is aflame with unexplained bullshit.
@sehe Hey, thanks for your advice yesterday. I ran my io_service as a worker, It didn't block. Butt now for some reason my actors don't receive anything nor send to my tcp server. Here's my cout
Derive and implement my shit in another namespace and use it where I want with appropriate using directives
> Butt
13:47
Does It have to do something with my async_ functions in my io_service worker? My knowledge is quite limited on this one..
@R.MartinhoFernandes This happens a lot for draft proposals
@sehe Sorry here's the code‌​.
gosh, you have not progressed much at all today
still the same code (pretty much)
> What is worrying is the leaked text is not a law proposal, but just a summary of the Commission’s plans for next year.
@chmod666telkitty Me? Well I am in europe soo while I was sleeping you were working..
13:50
lol, it's worrying that it isn't a law proposal.
Fuck alarmists.
Fuck alarms, too
I'm so sleepy
@R.MartinhoFernandes It's capitalism.
We have to revise capitalism a bit. ( The newer generation )
@TonyTheLion is that store selling stuff like codes for digital books or actual books?
> This account is temporarily suspended for rule violations. The suspension period ends on Dec 9 at 8:10.
13:52
> Thats like Netflix opening up a Blockbuster
lol
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@TonyTheLion that's amazin
nvm you can see the books
@AndyProwl What? Who?
@wilx GettingNifty
I failed trying to pass a robot rhino as a robot unicorn:
13:53
--don_clones;
@AndyProwl Good riddance
@chmod666telkitty That's creative..
is it that obvious that it's not an unicorn?
@chmod666telkitty It has two horns!
it's a rhinocorn
oh you edited your message
it's the mythical bicorn
Ah, found it.
> The Commission is reflecting on the different factors around the sharing of the value created by new forms of online distribution of copyright-protected works to the various market players and, by spring 2016, will consider measures in this area. The objective will be that the value is fairly allocated to the players that contribute to generating it, and that the use of copyright-protected content is adequately remunerated for online uses.

In this context, the Commission will examine whether action is needed on the definition of the rights of ‘communication to the public’ and of ‘makin
Andy been on the Prowl lately? :P
13:55
not much :P
Sorry, couldn't resist an obvious pun
got it
@R.MartinhoFernandes Is that from where?
puns shall not be resisted
@TonyTheLion Leaked draft of a communication from the European Commission.
Also known as "frontal attack on the hyperlink"
13:56
@R.MartinhoFernandes You probably meant to answer Tony
@R.MartinhoFernandes oh I saw that thing rightfold posted earlier, I just ignored it.
@l0oky sleep is for wusses
6 mins ago, by Andy Prowl
I'm so sleepy
Yep
@sehe Sleep is for the week ( whole week actually )
And the final step of the proof:
Aug 25 at 10:49, by Elim Garak
He's having a really bad day because Andy is a wuss.
13:58
@R.MartinhoFernandes I'd guess they had this sentence in mind as well: "The Commission will also consider whether solutions at EU level are required to increase legal certainty, transparency and balance in the system that governs the remuneration of authors and performers in the EU, taking EU and national competences into account."
inb4 logical fallacy
That at least hints at the possibility that if you profit from linking to something, you might have to pay the author/copyright holder.
@l0oky old jokes don't get old with you
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@JerryCoffin RIP Google then.
13:59
@chmod666telkitty That's @Cat after 16 hours of dealing with mouse input
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@sehe awwww.

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