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3:00 PM
Btw do any of you ever use Visual Studio Code for anything?
 
Yeah. Setters should set the value which it influences. Getters should be pure.
@MoonOwlPrince Yes, TypeScript/NodeJS applications. Albeit, waiting for the update.
 
Does it come with IntelliSense?
 
@JuliusHolmberg No I'm in webforms.
 
I am thinking of using it to write some code for a Mono client on a Linux machine
I doubt VS is running on Linux yet so I am wondering if Code is a better choice over using Xamarin Studio
 
3:03 PM
@MoonOwlPrince It does. It works nicely on Linux. But, it's a preview.
It has bugs.
VSCode is IMHO vastly superior to Xamarin Studio, but Xamarin has more features for a wider arsenal of platforms.
e.g. making a gui in vscode? ha ha, tough luck
(except web of course, we all love the web dont we?!)
 
Do XML comments show in Code?
 
@RoelvanUden wait for 2015 i think VS2015 will be superior even to xamarin (except for running on linuxmachines
 
Just read its wikipage and I wonder if Edge will still be using Trident
 
@MoonOwlPrince It will
 
3:09 PM
That is rather unfortunate
 
@MoonOwlPrince Why? Trident is awesome.
 
How does EF determine how it names its columns? I have a table RentContracts with an Id RentContractId, but EF tries accessing the column as RentContract_RentContractId
 
@CuddleBunny People hate Trident not IE in particular
 
People hate the image that used to be IE, not Trident. They dont know what trident is at all.
 
@BenjaminDiele EF expects an entity class named RentContract, then creates table RentContracts so long as you have the pluralizer enabled.
 
3:10 PM
IE10 and IE11 are awesome. But, bad name, nobody likes IE anymore.
 
IE11 is very light
Fast
 
@MoonOwlPrince People loved Opera before it fell off the map and it used to use Trident back when it was the best browser
 
@CuddleBunny Code first, Entity is called RentContract, table is called RentContracts.
 
I use Opera
 
the lack of a proper extensibility model will be the downfall for IE
 
3:11 PM
@StevenLiekens Edge can use Chrome extensions
 
Edge is not IE though
 
@StevenLiekens there won't be IE anymore, so it won't fall ;)
 
not officially anyway
 
@StevenLiekens IE is being deprecated down to only enterprise use
 
enterprise is still the biggest audience
 
3:12 PM
@StevenLiekens I agree. And also the lack of continuous regular updates compared to its competitors. I don't remember the last time IE updated
 
though I was hoping that IE11 in edge mode still got all the evergreen improvements but they seem to be on the wall about that still.
@MoonOwlPrince IE's last big update came with Windows 8.1's release.
 
@CuddleBunny Chrome's last big update came last week I think
 
Yeah, Chrome updates about once a month.
Edge will do roughly the same
 
IE updates only when Windows updates or when the bugs are extremely critical
 
Web development will be so much nicer once all browsers auto update.
 
3:14 PM
I had a trident gfx card long ago
 
I'd prefer a 3 month cadence though...
 
My oh my, we'll actually not have to worry about old crap.
 
So many bugs in Chrome because they rush it imo.
 
I hate how google likes to change UI every couple weeks
 
I don't notice much bugs in Chrome
 
3:15 PM
If I was a web developer I would not support anything older than IE10
 
If I would make the decisions, I'd agree @MoonOwlPrince. Alas, we have to support IE8 and IE9 too (at work anyway)
 
The big change was in 8 wasn't it?
 
@RoelvanUden That won't happen for so long. All of our enterprise customers are still using IE8 and are nearing the end of their evaluation process for IE9, and won't start the evaluation process for IE 10 until they adopt IE 9 @.@
 
How many times have they added and removed arrow functions from Chrome?
 
What if every 7 to 14 days, all the light switches and doorknobs in your home got shifted around? And each time the landlord said "but we have done all these studies and have determined that this arrangement increases efficiency by 2%"
 
3:16 PM
I like how IE11 allows you treat web apps as normal apps
Just wonder why WhatsApp Web does not support IE though
 
@Griffin IE9 was the biggest change
 
Calling bleeding edge non-stabilized features of Chrome 'bugs' is going a bit far..
 
@MoonOwlPrince What do you mean?
 
Whatd IE9 add?
 
@Griffin HTML5 support
 
3:17 PM
Just hit the 4095 css rules limit in IE8/9 yesterday
 
@Griffin ECMA5
 
The whole app crashed like a plane
 
@FreeAsInBeer Pinning apps and customising the browser skin
 
@RoelvanUden I mean Chrome bugs like websockets were broken from version 40 to 43 and it caused hell for half my clients...
 
WebSockets were broken? I never noticed, and I use them O_o
 
3:18 PM
The Windows WebSocket thing bugs me
 
That you need Windows 8 or higher thing?
 
has anyone ever looked at chrome sources?
 
Windows 7 doesn't have a WebSocket implementation, and .NET doesn't have one because Windows 8 does
 
it's not all that pretty
 
@RoelvanUden I dunno what the actual problem with them was, but most learning management systems use websockets and it was causing our courseware to crash. I ended up building the Chrome source to find the bug, by the time I found it someone else had already sent a pull request for the fix
 
3:19 PM
Yeah that's pretty sad. Thankfully we have nodejs for our websocket server needs.
 
.NET not having websockets because of OS seems dumb
 
unless perhaps we need it in C#
 
@StevenLiekens Yeah, Chrome's source is pretty ugly.
 
Well.. I wrote a WebSocket server in .NET. :P It was fun. But yeah, it should be build in.
 
@KendallFrey I bet they'll put them in ASP.NET 5 since it can't depend on Windows anymore.
 
3:20 PM
@MikeAsdf .NET has WebSockets, it just doesn't implement it, it uses the OS implementation
yeah, that shouldn't need to be a library
 
> KB 262161 outlines the maximum number of stylesheets and rules supported by Internet Explorer 6 to 9.
> A sheet may contain up to 4095 rules
> The root of the limitations is that Internet Explorer uses a 32bit integer to identify, sort, and apply the cascading rules. The integer’s 32bits are split into five fields: four sheetIDs of 5 bits each, and one 12bit ruleID. The 5 bit sheetIDs results in the 31 @import limit, and the 12 bit ruleID results in the 4095 rules-per-sheet limitation.
> Actually, I think this applies to IE3, 4, 5 and 5.5 as well. I thought it was a neat trick when I wro
 
Windows is now a legacy operating system
 
i love when the actual developers wiegh in on something
 
@MoonOwlPrince You are now high as fuck
@ton.yeung yep
 
@KendallFrey why do you say so
When documentation is lacking, what are you supposed to do?
 
3:22 PM
Why do you say so?
 
agreed, calling something used by most people "legacy" is missing something
 
Oh please don't tell me that Windows should be considered legacy when I'm looking at a Mac OS X update and can't help myself thinking "Why the hell does anyone buy this shit..."
 
you could call Windows 7 legacy even though it has a big market share.
but not the OS as a whole
especially because the Windows 10 kernel is so badass.
 
Windows 10 is not Windows as we know it
It is something different with the same label
 
like the opposite of Spartan?
So, what's different about it?
 
3:25 PM
@ton.yeung outside of the UI, which they totally re-wrote in XAML so it is currently stupid slow. It is just blazing fast and works consistently on more hardware than most thought possible.
 
Spartan? Did you mean Edge? Use auto-corrected spelling.
 
no spartan?
:O its renamed to edge
 
Windows 10 on my rpi2 is like magic.
 
<3 raspberry pi 2
 
they just need to release an arm version of explorer
 
3:28 PM
I'm kinda worried about the future and the trend of not being allowed to run unauthorized code on a computer; how everything is going towards "App Stores".
I had to jailbreak my shitty Surface RT to run arbitrary stuff on it.
 
@MikeAsdf They will likely never take away win32 apps in Windows
 
we wont let em
 
LMFAO someone sent me windows-internals.com/source/files.html claiming they had found Windows' source code
There is an operating system they released that does not support Win32 apps
 
Surface RT was a different story because 99% of the software we use on Windows doesn't work on ARM.
@MoonOwlPrince yeah and it is dead now.
 
WTF!
 
3:30 PM
@MoonOwlPrince Unless you count Windows 10 Mobile, I suppose that won't run win32 apps either.
But I'd bet if QUALCOMM didn't have such a stranglehold on the mobile industry that would be a different story.
I do like the win32 app sandboxing that the win10 app store does.
 
@MoonOwlPrince that source code looks promising
 
That is just a source tree
And it might be a false one
 
sarcasm
i see, you can't even download the files. Its just a tree :/
 
looking forward to installing the creative suite without Adobe taking over half my registry and appdata...
 
If Microsoft, Google and Apple formed a joint venture that made products pulling human resources from all three, I wonder what would be the state of computing in general
 
3:33 PM
@MoonOwlPrince Pretty shitty I assume
 
Politics
And why would they innovate if they are together? Stuff would be "good enough"
 
@ton.yeung if you install win32 apps through the windows 10 store it puts them in their own sandbox so if you uninstall them it is clean.
 
CS666: Politics and Economics in the informational technology industry
@BenjaminDiele Because they would be curious
 
sometimes they collaborate on cool stuff, looking forward to angular 2 X typescript
 
3:38 PM
Never knew a significant portion of Windows is in C. I assumed it would be in assembly and C++
 
because the code is older than bones
 
This is when I thought Microsoft was one of C++'s largest users
May God bless Bjarne Stroustrup, one of the most undervalued computer scientists of our time
 
Wonder what C++ in one picture would look like
 
@CharlieBrown I should print that.
 
3:46 PM
Is DreamWeaver still used?
 
whats the chrome extension called for running javasscript like bots?
 
@MoonOwlPrince Don't say the d-word
@CharlieBrown tampermonkey?
depends what you want
MIT is my go-to for OSS
 
@ton.yeung GPL v3 if you want to be friends with RSM
 
GPL is a little too restrictive for me
WTFPL is a good one
if you're willing to relinquish copyright
 
@ton.yeung No definition found for WTFPL
The WTFPL (Do What the Fuck You Want to Public License) is a permissive copyright license, most commonly used as a permissive free software license. It is essentially no different from dedication to the public domain. The original Version 1.0 license, released March 2000, was written by Banlu Kemiyatorn who used it for Window Maker artwork. Sam Hocevar, a French programmer who was the Debian project leader from 17 April 2007 to 16 April 2008, wrote version 2.0. It allows for redistribution and modification of the software under any terms – licensees are encouraged to "do what the fuck [they] want...
 
3:51 PM
You may write your own license that goes like this:
You may use this software anyway you like but I am not liable for anything
 
It's kind of designed to remove any limitations from public domain
 
MIT is still a copyright license, i.e. you own the IP
WTFPL is nothing for you
MIT requires keeping the copyright and license intact
So you can't re-license it
I think
basically yeah
I like credit, so I use it
 
how does caprica detect messages? can it be adapted to a different chat room like slack?
 
@CuddleBunny Fixed my EF issues. I was looking at the wrong entity! The other end needed that column :)
 
3:56 PM
@CharlieBrown I'm assuming she just parses every message for random stuff like stop
@BenjaminDiele cool
 
HAMMERTIME!
 
no kidding
 
Since it works on edits too...
 
yes, but its the implementation of that im looking for
how does she detect a new message?
 
@CharlieBrown an event maybe?
 
3:57 PM
im looking over the code, just dont know where to look
 
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to the server?
doesnt she just read dom or js events?
 
test stop
 
HAMMERTIME!
 
!!stop
 
3:59 PM
HAMMERTIME!
 
there is a trigger("change")
 
put..it..back...ლ(ಠ益ಠ)ლ is a command?
 
!!kendallpedo
 
in JavaScript, Oct 23 '14 at 20:29, by Kendall Frey
@Jhawins If I told you I had sexual disorder and was a pedophile, you wouldn't judge me?
 
!!put..it..back...ლ(ಠ益ಠ)ლ
 
4:00 PM
┬─┬ ノ( ゜-゜ノ)
 
@ton.yeung Did you implement an SO chat client?
I have always wondered: Why is SO chat not encrypted
Rather I should be asking: Why is the transcript public?
 
b/c why not
anyone can sign up and view it, encrypting does nothing
 
I have also noticed SO does not work in IE11 but it does in IE11 for WP8.1
 
@MoonOwlPrince is there a different IE11?
 
4:07 PM
They respond to SO differently so my assumption is there is a difference
 
I'm using SO in IE11 on windows 8.1 for desktop right now.
 
@MoonOwlPrince where else are you running IE11 that is not win8?
 
@CharlieBrown windows phone
 
@MoonOwlPrince also I think wp8.1 still has IE10
 
but this is strange
 
4:09 PM
Anyone good with gulp and bower?
 
use both everyday
 
So I just got the kendo ui bower package, and it has js and styles folders in it. Using gulp with main-bower-files it copies all of the folders into wwwroot for all of the bower dependencies except for the styles folder in kendo.
it got bootstrap/less, font-awesome/css, etc but only kendo-ui/js and not kendo-ui/styles. I've verified that it is in the bower_components/kendo-ui/styles...
 
Now it is working in IE11
 
@MoonOwlPrince there was one day a couple weeks ago that new messages wouldn't appear in IE11, but only for like an hour.
 
@CuddleBunny That makes sense
Now all that Chromium junk can be uninstalled
 
4:13 PM
it would just bump up the list without actually showing the text.
 
@CuddleBunny most projects specify the file paths manually that you want from bower since bower packages are not similar enough
 
yeah, I might just have to do that. I was hoping to not have to edit it in both bower.json and gulpfile.js when something changes...
@ton.yeung using this right now: npmjs.com/package/main-bower-files
and for bootstrap, jquery, and font-awesome it caught all the different names for folders
 
in practice, your vendor files rarely change, so its a one and done config
 
@ton.yeung most likely, but coming from only using nuget to having to use that, npm, bower, and gulp seems like a big jump and I'm trying to simplify it as much as I can
Yeah, it isn't too bad. I'll live.
 
@ton.yeung rabbitmq, so fast
 
4:24 PM
I need to remove all of Chrome's settings now
 
The gulpfile in the base web project has eval("var project = " + fs.readFileSync("./project.json")); is there a less odd way to get the project.webroot lol?
@MoonOwlPrince if only you could have installed it through the win 10 app store...
 
why do people say Windows Registry is useless
 
@MoonOwlPrince people who don't understand what it is?
 
the Linux folk tend to say so
 
I'm back
 
4:30 PM
only because they don't want to agree that /etc is basically the registry
it is just a little better designed in Linux
@ton.yeung the starter project does that to get wwwroot from project.json in case you change it. It is silly so I took it out. But I thought it was crazy that it had to be eval'd.
the asp.net 5 stuff keeps wwwroot separate so your controllers and views are not mixed in the static files
it's k though, I got it working except for jquery's bower package randomly got malformed... so I have to download it again =.=
mvc
I don't use angular because I didn't have a reason to use it before recently and I'm just going to wait for angular 2.
Which I expect to be tremendously different
 
Hopefully it's easier to learn.
 
It's funny because it's true
 
4:47 PM
@ton.yeung Yeah, I followed their meeting minutes for a while. They seem pretty drastic.
I usually use Kendo UI for everything and haven't tinkered with their angular integration
@ton.yeung looks good to me
Only thing I can think of is instead of rationalizing vs stuff in .gitignore you could add common stuff for other environments too.
 
interesting way to set it up
 
most people around here stick to VS, Aptana, Web Storm, or Brackets.
 
i use vs + sublime
 
I only use VS myself, but I think github has templates for most of them somewhere
 

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