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3:00 PM
Well I have somehting GPLed and I wish someone to stop using it.
 
@paul23 And that's Bartek for fuck's sake
 
user562566
@paul23 If you don't want people to comment, go make your own private room and discuss it, your highness
 
> This question was voluntarily removed by its author.
 
shit he deleted it
 
3:00 PM
he got enrekt
 
Nailed it.
 
@buttifulbuttefly lol
 
we'll never know why he wanted that in the first place
I got genuinely curious
 
@TechnikEmpire .....
 
Such a mystery.
 
3:00 PM
ok, next question: C++ type with 3 bytes guaranteed everywhere
 
how will I ever sleep again not knowing the answer
 
@paul23 lolwut
 
@TechnikEmpire It should be quite common ground to not comment on things you don't know nor can understand because it has nothing to do with you.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Well, yeah--even the name "Dutch" started as a misunderstanding of "Deutsch".
 
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3:01 PM
Copyright law where you can't license works would be dumber than American law and I won't believe for a second that's actually what's happening here
 
@MarcoA. char guaranteed_type[3];
 
@JerryCoffin no no! My hello world program needs to worry about CHAR_BIT being different from 8
it is fundamental
 
This is really wrecked up
 
IT IS CRUCIAL
 
@CatPlusPlus You can, however you can always ask for revoke of that by going to the court and explaining the use it unethical or destruction of the original work.
 
3:03 PM
@paul23 Good luck with that.
 
@VictorLopez looks like UB
 
If you want to go to court, you don't need a Dutch person. You need a lawyer.
 
It's a direct law.
 
user562566
@paul23 I know all about it. The GPL is garbage, therefore your entire argument is garbage. Debate over.
 
@buttifulbuttefly AFAIK Crucial RAM all provides virtual 8-bits a byte.
 
3:03 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Uh nope, in the netherlands you typically don't take a lawyer for a very long time. Up till you go to the high court.
 
woo my car's central lock is getting fixed
 
Doubly good luck
 
such convenience
 
inb4 they're stealing it
 
@paul23 You want to go to court on your own? Have fun.
 
3:04 PM
Self-representing is dumb if you have only superficial knowledge of the thing you're trying to argue for
 
@MarcoA. no it's just on the driver's side it didn't work
 
You don't need a Dutch person. You need a shrink, perhaps.
 
a faulty motor I think
anyway I'm not sure if they found the real problem that Natalia seemed to have
 
@MarcoA. Only if you really cared about its being exactly 24 bits rather than 3 bytes.
 
they basically closed my car as "cannot reproduce" :S
 
3:05 PM
@BartekBanachewicz yea cars lack penis or vagina, needed for reproduction
 
@paul23 Are you serious that people in the Netherlands self-represent all the time?
 
@CatPlusPlus If I claim that someone is violating my right it isn't up to me to defend myself. I place that at the OM, and then the court decides on prosecution, the type and what happens. Only once I disagree with the OM I take it to a higher court where I get assigned a lawyer.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I think its fairly safe to assume he has no idea what he's talking about.
 
@paul23 Uh not every case is a criminal one
 
No it's normally resolved by the court asking both people to join unofficially for a cup of tea/talk and the judge then makes the decision.
 
3:06 PM
@paul23 Er, what. You want the court to prosecute a copyright case on your behalf?
 
Ell
Man
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Seriously you won't shake the foundations of the law because you read few paragraphs of the copyright codex
 
I've had quite a few cases where my neighbours were suddenly cutting the trees between our houses and we had to go to the court to settle it. (They had to replant trees back instead of adding a fence like they wanted).
 
Ell
An entire year wasted in the space of an hour and a half
 
People are doing this shit professionally and they train for years
 
3:07 PM
I dind't take a lawyer at all for that.
 
Compiler says this is fine
 
ahahahhaha
 
@Ell What happened?
 
@VictorLopez Excuse me, but you really need to put an "NSFW" warning if you're going to link to raw, hard-core snuff-porn like that.
 
that sizeof == 2 guy is trying to figure machine's endianess out
 
Ell
3:08 PM
@TonyTheLion just failed my exam I'm pretty sure
 
@paul23 That's a civil court.
 
@Ell :(
 
@MarkGarcia springbok?
 
what a beautiful example of an XY problem
 
It's not special in the Netherlands.
 
Ell
3:08 PM
I won't know until august but I'm pretty sure :/
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Copyright is also a civil court case?
 
Apply Occam's razor: is it more probable that one of the most popular OSS licenses is void, or that you don't have the necessary knowledge to proclaim so
 
@Ell no retries?
 
@paul23 Yes?
 
OCaml's razor
 
3:09 PM
@Ell jein de cleb :D DDDDDDd
 
BTW @R.MartinhoFernandes I have a doubt
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz this was a retry :(
 
So why the need to pay an overly expensive lawyer for that?
 
Ell
You have to wait a year in between retries
 
You should know the answer anyway
 
3:09 PM
Anyways I am still just wondering.
 
Ell
I can't wait another year
 
Because lawyers can present your case in a way that wins?
 
I have something I'm identifying as oil leak and I'd need to know how potentially serious that is
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@paul23 I don't know Dutch law, but it certainly is in every country whose laws I know anything about.
 
@paul23 Still,
@paul23 BECAUSE YOU NEED LEGAL ADVICE.
 
3:09 PM
@Ell what stops you from waiting?
 
Because you don't know these things and they do?
 
@Ell money?
 
Ell
@AlexM. I've waited a year already
If I can't do it after 1 year I won't do it after 2
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes When I want programming advice I also don't rent a programmer. I read a book.
 
but you passed some exams right?
 
3:10 PM
@paul23 Lawyers give legal advice. Dutch people don't.
 
so you'll have less to care about next year
 
So now I read the dutch law.
 
@Ell get a job, move on with life.
 
@Ell what's the reasoning behind that? D&D Intelligence throws?
 
3:10 PM
@paul23 Oh well, have fun.
 
> How would a dragon be used in a modern military?
 
Why should I rent a lawyer too?
 
just stick around the city while working and pass them next year
it's gonna be k
 
Law is a game of interpretation
 
@paul23 Because they know how things work.
 
3:11 PM
And charisma I guess
 
@paul23 That's not how it works, but if you want to stay deluded, go ahead.
 
know
 
Ell
@TonyTheLion there is still chance I can get into uni, we'll see
 
@Mr.kbok Isn't it obvious? ;)
 
I'm pretty sure you can easily find Dutch people that are not lawyers in the Netherlands.
 
Ell
3:11 PM
I just don't feel confident
 
nvm
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes A c++ guru also knows how C++ works. Yet often I can do the same things just as well.
 
They're all you need, I guess. Dutch people and the law.
 
you're not in uni
can you not specify that you're not in uni
there's a huge difference between high school and uni exams
 
Ell
@AlexM. lol sorry
 
3:12 PM
Ha! I believe that if I keep digging with this. How can we get the current working directory?
 
The lawing Dutchman
 
@VictorLopez getcwd
 
@paul23 As I said, have fun. Go out the door. You'll find all the Dutch people you need.
Just make sure they're not lawyers.
 
Please do record your court cases
 
I tried so hard not to fail my high school exams I studied one month straight
honest
 
3:12 PM
I'm always in for some self-representing fun
 
@Ell man, uni isn't about being confident
 
got myself from 1.2/10 in the simulation to 7/10 final
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Well you need to have someone who is interested, just like outdoor there are no programmers.
 
(maths)
 
Ahaha and let me tell you about freemen of the land
 
3:13 PM
@paul23 lolwut
@paul23 But you just said you don't need programmers.
Buy a law book.
 
@paul23 lol "just as well"
 
They believe law is magical incantations and if you say right formulas you can do anything
 
@paul23 Sounds to me like you've misread it. I believe the Netherlands are a signatory to the Berne Convention, which would be (thoroughly) violated if the law followed the interpretations you've posted here. Thanks to the Berne Convention (and similar treaties) we don't need to read Dutch to have a pretty good idea of Dutch law when it comes to copyrights.
 
(at zombocom)
 
Zombocom!
 
3:14 PM
@JerryCoffin That's for you when you post things indeed. But when a DUTCH people posts code he hence can't use a standard GPL license.
 
Or at least part of the license can't apply
 
Does not follow
 
Dutch people are the best. /cc @rightfold
 
Berne says that the copyright law of the country who created the stuff holds.
 
3:15 PM
Berne Stroustrup
 
@paul23 Anyway, there are Dutch people here. They'll all tell you to ask a lawyer, or, in the case of rightfold, to fuck off.
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Or both
Actually is there a difference
 
Actually this is the case for most of the EU (Heck the EU has a few months ago published a license that fixed these things - I"m now left wondering why it's never used).
 
EU what
 
user1804599
@R.MartinhoFernandes I agree.
 
3:17 PM
Hint: don't trust your interpretation of the law if you have no legal expertise
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes although I know just one guy from Denmark, yes. I agree.
 
@paul23 I bet it is because the GPL (and other existing licenses) have been tested in court.
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz I mean in my grades :/
I'll just have to wait until August
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes But I read the law therefore I am the law :smugdog:
 
we should have some high-programming level conversations. Like what's your favorite color scheme in sublime text or what is the best indentation style
 
3:18 PM
@CatPlusPlus Law -and this I do know as it was teached- is only upholding if the average citizen can understand it, that's actually part of our constitution.
 
And new laws are cosntantly tested against that.
 
@paul23 lol
 
@MarcoA. we can continue the one we paused last time
 
idk what to tell you
 
3:19 PM
tabs vs spaces GO
 
But good luck in your life
 
@Ell gonna be fine.
 
Esp legal life
 
You can always become a car mechanic and live a happy life
 
Do record your court cases
 
3:19 PM
and what you can do after uni? no future basically
 
@paul23 Since you obviously haven't yet, how about if you start by reading the Berne Convention.
 
stuck in a dead-end job like programming
unhealthy, terrible, overtime
 
@Ell get the things done next year man, if somehow you don't pass now
 
no satisfaction
 
@AlexM. nice try
 
3:20 PM
you can't even become a QA tester without high school :<
 
we were talking about uni not hs
 
@JerryCoffin I know that jerry - I don't state anything about other country people releasing stuff for dutch people. I'm stating about the reverse: a dutch public license being used in another country
 
he's in hs
 
clearly marks a function scope
 
Ell
3:20 PM
@AlexM. sixth form
idk what you call that in romania vOv
 
he's finished hs no
@Ell?
 
sixth sense
 
Ell
the one before uni but after high school
 
wot?
 
And the other country constantly not following a dutch (mainland european) quirk in copyright law
 
Ell
3:20 PM
I'm in sixth form
 
it's high school -> college to get bachelor's -> master's -> phd
 
@Ell holiday?
 
Ell
it's primary -> secondary -> sixth form/college -> uni
 
And I would talk to a lawyer about this - but even asking this question there would cost me about a 100 euros.
 
@Ell subhuman?
 
3:21 PM
So I need to know before I go to a lawyer
 
@paul23 need to know what
 
I don't have just 100 euros to ask a question.
 
OTOH you're perfectly fine with wasting our time with dumb questions
 
This allows me to go in different levels, I believe that this should be sandboxed or something.
 
Ask on SO then
 
3:22 PM
If there is maybe an exception to the law
 
just fuck off already
 
Become a lawyer then
 
I have no sympathy for people who don't value (my) time.
 
@paul23 Try reading it. You still don't have even have a clue of what it covers. Hint: it's a guideline about what the copyright laws of all member countries must say, including what rights must be given to the author of any copyrighted work. The GPL falls (well) within the rights that every member country must give to the owner of a copyright.
 
3:22 PM
@Ell colleges are contained in unis
 
Also seriously
 
I'm 90% positive my SSD will be delivered while I'm away from home :(
 
what the hell is going on in your country
 
@AlexM. it's a barbaric wasteland basically
 
Ell
We use different names evidently :P
 
3:23 PM
like I'm at the mathematics & informatics college
which is part of the babes-bolyai uni
 
@AlexM. At least we're allowed to make copies of anything for personal use.
 
@AlexM. Hey babes
 
Ell
Sixth forms/colleges are not part of uni here
 
user1804599
@paul23 Law
 
@paul23 Guess who's qualified to tell you that.
 
3:23 PM
@buttifulbuttefly BabeČ™-Bolyai
 
And only uploading is illegal, downloading software is never illegal here.
 
read like "bah-besh"
 
@AlexM. Don't call me that please
 
@AlexM. "faculty" is the word you're looking for, I think.
 
shit you may be right
 
3:24 PM
@buttifulbuttefly So what makes you think you have the right to call him "please" without permission?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Is there a legal.stackexchange lol?
 
the romanian term is indeed "facultatea de matematica si informatica"
 
@JerryCoffin "please permission" sounds even weirder
 
I wonder why there are no (country specific) fora about these problems.
 
so complicated
 
3:25 PM
@paul23 Because lawyers don't feel like working for free.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes strange that programmers/engineers do then lol.
 
@paul23 There are--but you have to learn how to read before they can do you any good.
 
Engineers?
 
It's like lawyers actually don't like doing their job.
 
Which engineers do you know that work for free?
 
3:26 PM
@paul23 Some lawyers do work for free you know
 
@paul23 there is a polish law forum
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Stackoverflow is filled with them :P
 
Ugh, "software engineers".
 
Or look at physics.SE or electronics.SE?
 
@paul23 oh you fucking inconsiderate little dipshit
 
3:27 PM
@paul23 That's not working.
 
@buttifulbuttefly In fact, there's a long tradition (in many countries) that essentially all lawyers work for free at least part of the time (aka "do pro bono work").
 
@BartekBanachewicz calm down
 
Sharing knowledge is not an engineer's job.
 
@JerryCoffin I am well aware
 
Providing legal advice is actually part of a lawyer's job.
 
3:27 PM
this says I cannot execute binary bash.
 
@buttifulbuttefly I'm going to slap him with his sense of entitlement
repeatedly
 
inb4 ironic star
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes My prof would have a big disagreement with you there.
 
yes because he clearly does that for free
 
Ell
@paul23 is your prof an engineer?
 
3:28 PM
@Ell ...
 
@buttifulbuttefly Yes, I've noticed that your awareness is a well (a deep, completely empty one). :-)
 
Kind of implied argument don't you think?
 
Ell
The answer is no - your professor is a professor
 
user1804599
@paul23 that's because he's a hippie
 
Ell
he is paid for sharing knowledge to his students
right?
 
3:29 PM
:D I know!!!!!
 
@JerryCoffin what the fuck is wrong with you?
 
@Ell in Poland "engineer" is an added title; so you can be a Bachelor Engineer, Master Engineer, and, well, Doctor Engineer
 
Let's create a gigantic string with code and then let's make it explode.
 
and then technically Professor Doctor Engineer
 
the lounge is pretty intense right now
think this may be a good time to go buy those paper towels
 
3:29 PM
I'm a Software Enginier. My boss is not good at spelling.
 
@BartekBanachewicz indeed
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz same in england - but if I had an MEng and was working in macdonalds I still wouldn't call myself an engineer
maybe that's just me though
 
@Ell Engineering shitty burgers
 
Shellcode, embedded shell.
 
@buttifulbuttefly Sorry, but I'm not allowed to share that knowledge for free. It says so in my Dutch employment contract.
 
3:31 PM
You're boring.
Oh wow I hadn't plonked someone in ages
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Unless your duties involve filling yourself up with gin of course.
 
But my prof keeps hammering in: "It's not important what you make, or how good it is", It is important that you communicate to others how life changing it is." Explaining what you did and communication is the difference between an engineer who becomes the next bill gates or an engineer who stays poor"
 
@LucDanton Oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooh. That gives me an idea.
 
*profs
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes lol
 
3:32 PM
@JerryCoffin Careful with that - employment contracts always have to go through the union before they have any reason to be followed.
 
Who's behind coliru.stacked-crooked.com? Do they have bug base for their code editor?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Cheers!
 
@VictorLopez @StackedCrooked ?
 
@VictorLopez @StackedCrooked
 
anyway
can we dump the dutch law for a moment
and talk about transmission leaks?
because I was really getting concerned about that.
 
3:33 PM
@BartekBanachewicz No. Use a pastebin.
 
Ell
dutch pastebin
 
@BartekBanachewicz I switched to qbittorrent after transmission started leaking
 
Ell
@VictorLopez @StackedCrooked !
@VictorLopez @StackedCrooked #
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes plaktrommel
 
Ell
3:34 PM
@VictorLopez @StackedCrooked $
I'll stop now.
 
@VictorLopez @VictorLopez @StackedCrooked ^
Not really though
 
Xeo
Guys. If you change the slider on volume settings, would you expect that change to immediately take effect?
 
He uses a ready made component
@Xeo Yesh
 
Ell
@Xeo yes
 
@BartekBanachewicz Sorry, but no. Dr. Leaky studied archaeology, not transmission lines.
 
3:35 PM
Good, I got it. @StackedCrooked
 
@Xeo obviously
 
@Xeo Depends
 
@BartekBanachewicz please do
 
otherwise I'd think there's a problem
 
@VictorLopez plink abuse!
:D
 
Xeo
3:35 PM
And what about changing resolution / window mode / language?
 
Of course not, only on commit.
 
those not. because that can mess with the usability so the user lock himself out
 
@Xeo Maybe not immediately (but within 20 ms, so it sounds "immediate")
 
@Xeo I have some papers on that.
It's really an interesting subject
 
3:37 PM
@BartekBanachewicz That's not a dump of Dutch law.
 
If you change the timing for effects you get overshots - and those overshoots (and reconnection) can then introduce eigen frequencies.
 
Xeo
I'm kinda torn. I want the UI to be consistent (options only take effect after hitting "apply" / "OK"), but OTOH everyone (me included) kinda seems to expect audio volume changes to take effect immediately.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes lel misunderstandings
 
Those eigenfrequencies you can then model around and with fourier analysis you can get a qualification of your brain system.
 
3:37 PM
@BartekBanachewicz Isn't there some kind of meter for the oil level?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes shows maximum/full. It's like a stick integrated with the cap. I put the bike flat, unscrewed it, cleaned try, put back again, pull out - it's covered totally.
 
More fun is if you let another robot do the volume control and you program that robot and then test it.
 
@Xeo they go in different menus/different screens. Maintain consistency within a single menu/screen
 
Or make it not change the volume directly, but only the speed in change of volume.
 
Xeo
@SamDeHaan It's the "Options" screen, with different tabs basically. The usual.
 
3:38 PM
And see how you can get these things stable.
 
@Xeo "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds." In this case, consistency is trumped by usability (IMO).
 
Engineering is fun
 
@BartekBanachewicz Is it covered too high? Most will have lines for both minimum and maximum level.
 
looks like this
the "22mm" part with Xs is covered, but not above
 
So uh um
I automated the red and green potions. That was quite involved
 
3:41 PM
@BartekBanachewicz Okay, that sounds reasonable.
 
@Mr.kbok cc @Jefffrey today?
 
Actually I'd like to finish the campaign first
 
@JerryCoffin also it's not like there's a pool under it, but there are a few drops typicall underneath where I park it clearly visible
and the bottom is wet
I'd like to avoid taking the whole thing out and splitting it in half basically :/
 
Not starring
 
@Mr.kbok Blue ones are a pain
 
3:42 PM
because if that's the washer for engine cartridges that's the only thing that could fix that I guess
 
But then purples are trivial
 
@BartekBanachewicz Some engines have a natural tendency to leak, so it might be normal.
 
After blues it's less complexity and more ensuring a proper throughput
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes oh.
 
@Xeo Dialogs with immediate action don't have an exit button at the bottom, oncly the close button at the top
 
Xeo
3:43 PM
@CatPlusPlus except that you can't fully automate those bastards :<
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz when did you change oil and transmission fluid?
 
Eh, once you have power armour and combat shotgun you can clear nests p quickly
 
@Ell circa 800km ago
just the oil
 
Ell
@CatPlusPlus tank is easier
 
Tank is slow
 
Ell
3:44 PM
I just drive into the nests and then turn round and let turrets work
then repair tank
 
Xeo
@CatPlusPlus Sure, but it's not fully automatic!
 
@Ell cuz I dont think there's separate transmission fluid
 
Xeo
@Mr.kbok Bleh, consistency again: The windows should look the same, since they both change options.
 
Ell
transmission fluid is much thicker I though, but what do I know vOv
 
> 1. oring pod pokrywkÄ…
> 2. simmering w kole rozrusznika: 30 x 18,9 x 5 mm
> 3. simmering na wale: 42 x 30 x 4,5
 
3:46 PM
3 exos and you can run faster than the car without the terrible manoeuvrability
 
@Xeo Would it help if you’d name the confirmation button 'Save settings' or similar?
 
ah nice found potential leak spots
@Ell yeah I am pretty sure what's leaking isn't transmission fluid
 
Ell
I might try making exos then
 
it's a simple engine
1-cylinder, 4T, carburetor
 
@BartekBanachewicz Or not. If you can find where it leaks from it would help. Make sure screws are tight, and check oil level regularly (and refill if needed). Maybe check if it's a common thing with that engine.
 
3:47 PM
with timing chain
 
Ell
I haven't automated blue circuit boards yet
 
That engine doesn't seem popular outside of Eastern Europe.
 
maybe it's just a number assigned for poland
@R.MartinhoFernandes well now that's bigger
it's chinese manufacturing vOv
 
Well, I found a page in Russian.
 
people in the west can afford Yamaha's TZR 50 or something
 
3:48 PM
So that's why you were talking about Endiannes and byte sizes.
 
shit I just wanted to avoid taking it apart
 
Anyway, my point is that I can't even look it up.
 
once I start looking for it I'd need to get to the real problem and that'll prolly mean taking apart more than I'd like to
damnit
 
@BartekBanachewicz Ask a repairman if it's a common problem.
 
from what people post on web it seems to be
well
natalia picked up our car
 
3:50 PM
Yeah, with some engines periodic refills is just something you have to deal with :S
 
amazing chinese manufacturing eh
I don't care about that bike that much, but OTOH I wouldn't like to damage it just because I CBA to fix a leak
hopefully I'll get my dream 500cc next year
 
@BartekBanachewicz Just check oil levels regularly.
 
> I change o-rings at least one per season
gosh.
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz excessive, imho
 
@Ell the guy who said that was doing so because the thing leaked otherwise
 
Ell
3:54 PM
Oh right
 
@BartekBanachewicz Yeah, that's what I wanted to check, but everything is in Polish or Russian :D
 
dayum matlab is expensive
 
@BartekBanachewicz Guess you could try that. O-rings are cheap enough.
 
as long as you want anything other than the base package
 
3:57 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes tools to change them aren't
 
105 eur for the base thing and then 29 eur for each addon
 
I'd need seeger clippers
 
if you want everything AI related that's at least 150 eur more
 
not just that though
the bearing thing
 
3:58 PM
That's not expensive either.
 
how is it called
to get the bearings out
 
The what.
Old O-rings you can just cut.
If they're old, they're garbage.
 
I think I'd need something like that
 
Why do you need that?
 
to push out the things that are pressed together
 

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