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11:15 AM
trying to point a guy to here
 
Can someone give a technical explanation why should stay?
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Q: Drop database [sybase]

nhahtdhSybase is the name of a company, rather than any specific product. While they are known for their database products, different products have different support for syntax and different tools to work with the data. Even when the question is properly tagged with the specific product tag, occasional...

I just started with Sybase recently, and it's extremely annoying to see questions without knowing which product they are talking about
 
@nhahtdh It's already been explained to you:
 
@ʎǝʞuoɯɹǝqʎɔ None of them cite technical reasons
 
@ʎǝʞuoɯɹǝqʎɔ Have you worked with Sybase before?
 
11:20 AM
It does not have to be technical, the software is known by many as the company name so therefore the tag should stay.
Google Search is referred to by many as 'Google', yet we have a 'Google' tag. By your argument we should also nuke that.
 
If you haven't, then sorry, you don't understand the confusion when a question is answered with the tool of a different product
@ʎǝʞuoɯɹǝqʎɔ I don't care about other tags
 
But most folks out there still think about is as 'Sybase', and that's what matters. IMO removing the tag will cause more confusion than keeping it.
^that
 
@ʎǝʞuoɯɹǝqʎɔ There are enough product tags around
sybase-ase, sybase-iq, sybase-asa
If you don't know what product your are using when you ask the question, then you shouldn't even ask it in the first place
 
@nhahtdh true, perhaps you should've mentioned that in your question..
Even when the question is properly tagged with the specific product tag : this wasn't enough, you needed to give examples of these tags, given the similarity I agree that the tag needs to be nuked.
 
That's good suggestion, thanks
 
11:28 AM
@nhahtdh also worth mentioning questions like this, which use both the company tag and product tag: stackoverflow.com/questions/28968173/…
 
 
12:31 PM
Hiya @nhahtdh
 
Sam
12:45 PM
Afternoon!
 
Morning!
 
Anonymous
@ProgramFOX hi, how do you interact with chat ?
i can't find that in the api
 
there is no official api for chat, you have to reverse-engineer it
 
Anonymous
how ?
 
some people have made api's themselves for chat, in python and c#. I don't know much other than that.
there are probably others
 
Anonymous
12:59 PM
@Unihedro owns the c# one ... ?
 
I develop the Java version, JChatExchange.
It's currently in pre-alpha, soon to move into private beta.
It's an OO representation of talking to the Stack Exchange chat.
 
Anonymous
can i use it ?
 
Eh, the public version isn't done. But you can star / watch it to get latest feeds.
 
Anonymous
Vincentyification... lol
 
Anonymous
i'll try to use the c# one with vb.net
 
1:02 PM
@Joiner It's a very cheesy and old username.
> It's broken. Oh well, I'll fix it tomorrow. Tomorrow will be good.
Vincentyification authored on Nov 21, 2014
Four months later~
 
@Unihedro That it's too late to apologize. / It's too late. / I said it's too late to apologize. / It's too late. / Too late, oh uh
3
and now it's stuck in my head, thanks me...
 
Pfft, you suck at references. xD
 
NullReferenceException
 
Anonymous
i don't know about github, so how do i download the *.dll file from github.com/ArcticEcho/ChatExchange.Net ?
 
do you know how to clone in github?
 
1:11 PM
@Joiner Clone the entire repository.
cd (your/git/dir)
git clone github.com/ArcticEcho/ChatExchange.Net.git
 
right now there are no "released" binaries, so you have to download the code and compile it yourself
 
Anonymous
do i need to have git installed on my system ?
 
20 secs ago, by gunr2171
right now there are no "released" binaries, so you have to download the code and compile it yourself
 
yes, or download the zip version
 
Anonymous
this sucks
 
1:13 PM
Wait for JChatExchange. Just sayin' :P
 
Anonymous
i desperately need it
 
Anonymous
but you said you abandoned it
 
14 mins ago, by Unihedro
It's currently in pre-alpha, soon to move into private beta.
 
Anonymous
"private" does not mean "public"
 
Anonymous
when will it be available ?
 
1:15 PM
future
 
Anonymous
that is ?
 
@Joiner Funnily enough, in the future :).
 
Soon™
 
Anonymous
can't wait :P
 
Good things comes to those who wait.
 
Anonymous
1:18 PM
later
 
1:31 PM
@Unihedro Just drop back in to say hi. Anyway, this place looks rather dead - I can't see too many meta regular here.
 
@nhahtdh There won't be, explore the other chat rooms.
 
@ʎǝʞuoɯɹǝqʎɔ Just jump in a room and discuss meta?
 
@nhahtdh Check its description first. Obviously you can't do that for the programming chat, but other rooms you can.
 
The most popular rooms are programming chat anyway.
That's why I was looking for a meta room earlier, since I didn't find this room on first page
There is no room about database either
 
@nhahtdh There is one. It's frozen due to inactivity.
 
1:35 PM
Feb 26 at 12:38, by Unihedro
However, the Tavern has been wayy more quiet than it's used to be, so eventually no one cared about it anymore, practically.
 
Yeah, I miss Stijn. :/
 
Even if you care, other people don't have time to care
And you can't do anything by yourself
 
I would try to organize an activity with bots and whatnot, but my exams are nearing, it will have to be later. :(
 
One day, when people join SO chat, they will be mostly talking to bots, since the humans have abandoned ship
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Sam
lol
 
1:39 PM
That's already happening irl. xD
 
Sam
ikr :D
 
Will the Open Source proposal thrive?
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Open Source

Proposed Q&A site for questions regarding motivation, marketing, organisation and licences pertaining specifically to open source projects.

Currently in definition.

 
I think the list of question would stop in the hundreds
 
Or just many duplicates and stupid variants just to build up the beta stats. xD
 
Yeah
 
Sam
1:45 PM
@Joiner I own/dev it. Since you're not familiar with Git/GitHub I've created a zip file containing all the .dlls you'll need.
 
I could already imagine new user coming in and advertise their open source project
 
Sam
@Unihedro I hope so xD
 
@nhahtdh Free network flags!
 
Sam
lol
 
Anonymous
thank you very much @Sam
 
1:49 PM
> I have papers to grade, textbook orders to fill out, an NSF proposal to referee, dissertation drafts to read. I am working on this essay as a way of not doing all of those things. This is the essence of what I call structured procrastination, an amazing strategy I have discovered that converts procrastinators into effective human beings, respected and admired for all that they can accomplish and the good use they make of time.
 
Sam
@Joiner You're welcome.
 
@Unihedro That is an excellent description of myself (though the content of what I procrastinate is different)
 
:D
 
Anonymous
@Sam where do i find sample code on how to use it ?
 
Sam
@Joiner There's a small example here.
Admittedly, I suck at writing sample code and the like, but you should get the general jist of how the library works.
 
1:53 PM
s/j(?=ist)/g/
 
Anonymous
i'm looking for vb.net code, is there ?
 
Sam
Sorry, there isn't any :|
 
Anonymous
no problem, classes should be the same i think
 
Sam
I haven't written any VB.Net for ages
A basic vb.net to c# online converter should tackle most of it.
Although, you're bound to get a couple of syntax errors.
 
Hmm, here's an interesting thought experiment.
 
Sam
1:57 PM
waits in suspense
 
Anonymous
@Sam language converters are bad
 
Given an irrational number, in this case pi, considering that the definition of an irrational number is that its digits do not recur, every digit sequence probable will be formed.
 
Sam
@Joiner I know, but for some people they are the only way :|
 
So if you spell your age, then your date of birth, then random statistics like that, you're guarranteed to find it somewhere in the decimal places of pi.
 
Sam
Right...
 
2:01 PM
If you change any of the numbers in your sequence though, you'll end up with a new one; but as every number sequence is still in the decimal places of pi, a new decimal place presents the new value.
 
Anonymous
@Sam can i use the username instead of the email while constructing a new "Client" object ?
 
Sam
@Joiner Nope, you must supply both your account's email address and password.
 
That's a pretty neat hash algorithm, to have a constant of an irrational number with arbitrary precision, then look up the decimal position of the shallow hash.
 
Sam
(There was actually a bit of commented code in that example that I forgot to clean up.)
 
It's not looked at before by computer scientists, probably because it's stupid, but with some bithacking this might get somewhere. xD
 
Anonymous
2:04 PM
@Sam what if they're wrong ?
 
Sam
@Unihedro That could have come serious potential :O
 
@Joiner undefined behaviour
 
Sam
@Joiner An exception will be thrown upon the Client object's instantiation.
 
@Sam Combined with object states that comes with languages like Java and C#, it's pretty effective if given a well implementation.
You know what would be awesome? xD
 
Sam
@Unihedro Indeed, I wonder how effective this would be irl.
I dunno, what? xD
 
2:06 PM
If my chat client burns up this linear chat design, which makes asynchronous cross-chatting difficult.
I could place columns and then, depending on interactions of replies and people involved, automatically split messages into columns if they seem varied, and allocate new messages to corresponding columns.
Right now replies are all over the place. xD
 
Sam
Interesting.
 
I'll draw it so you get an idea.
 
Sam
But that would still be grouped by room?
k
brb, the real world is calling...
 
Anonymous
do i need to call joinroom even if i'm already in that room ?
 
The notation (main)$(increment) is Java's way of indexing anonymous classes, so. xD
 
Sam
2:21 PM
And back
 
I can probably prototype this with a userscript.
 
Sam
@Joiner Yes. Imagine the Client object as a new web browser window. Once you've opened a new window (created the object), you need to sign into SE, and then join the rooms you want.
 
Ugh, new world record of Simulation Protocol 1. xD
 
Sam
lol
 
Anonymous
@Sam i'm getting a warning
 
Anonymous
2:23 PM
it says
 
Sam
@Unihedro Ah, now that's cool.
Warning or error?
 
Anonymous
frameworks are different, hence it cannot compile <-- bad translation
 
Anonymous
warning (yellow)
 
Sam
Right.
What .Net version are you using?
 
Anonymous
how to retrieve it ?
 
Sam
2:25 PM
Well is depends which IDE you're using.
 
Anonymous
visual basic 2010 express
 
Sam
Ok, go to the project explorer.
Then double click on the solution file.
Then you should see the appropriate settings.
 
Anonymous
"My Project" ?
 
Anonymous
yeah, now that i know java, i can say vb.net sucks
 
Sam
Follow that (the "Changing the target version" part) ^
 
2:28 PM
Even if you don't know Java, vb.net still sucks.
 
Sam
I agree.
 
VBA is another thing altogether. xD
 
Sam
VB.Net was the second language I learnt, and I ain't going back.
 
Btw, our school classroom management software is written in VBA by one of our teachers. He sold his software to the school for quite a fortune.
 
Sam
o_o
 
2:30 PM
But it didn't take long for me to break it entirely. xD
 
Sam
lol :D
 
Eh, that wasn't the main point. xD
VBA is functional, VB.Net is hardly useful.
 
Sam
Well sorry guys, I have to go on my weekly survival assault course (aka, shopping day).
 
Uh oh, stay safe!
 
Sam
@Unihedro I found VB.Net helpful to move up from Small Basic, but that's about it.
After VB.Net I moved onto C#.
 
2:32 PM
I'm just watching this new world record speedrun and feeling bad for not even finishing the introduction area. xD
 
Anonymous
small basic sucks more and more and more
 
Anonymous
@Sam i run framework 4
 
Sam
ik
 
Smalltalk is great
Closure has a sweet design, but it's too functional for production
 
Sam
@Joiner change it to 4.5
 
Anonymous
2:32 PM
there isn't such item in the list
 
Sam
Anyways, gtg.
@Joiner You need to install it then
Cya, bbl.
 
Anonymous
ok, thank u
 
Sam
np
 
bai bai o/
 
Anonymous
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah.... fuck
 
2:38 PM
?
 
Anonymous
2012 version is needed, i have 2010 :/
 
Anonymous
i NEED your api, @Unihedro
i NEED it
 
Anonymous
please
 
Let me guess... And you need it now? xD
 
Anonymous
as soon as possible
 
2:40 PM
I guess you're interested to opt into private beta to help test the library? :p
Right now I'm just coding a hobbyist bukkit plugin.
 
Anonymous
it would be great
 
Anonymous
i would be happy just for the pre-alpha version
 
Anonymous
"hobbyist" ?
 
@Joiner It doesn't work, that's the problem. xD
 
Anonymous
:/
 
2:42 PM
@Joiner Yes. I'm coding the plugins for a semi-private server.
To bring this to life:
 
Anonymous
what do these plugins do ?
 
Anonymous
that is ?
 
A generic laboratory, apparently. xD
 
Anonymous
good luck
 
2:44 PM
"Now that I think about it, it would be cool to develop the server into a hacker vs hacker atmosphere. xD"
 
Anonymous
@Sam when you'll come back >> is there any version built with the net framework 4.0 ?
 
Anonymous
servers with cheating allowed are simply ignored by premium users
 
Anonymous
me too :D
 
So? :P It's a semi-private server for a decent reason. That's why we build and upload plugins, it's just a sandbox for awesomeness.
Now that I think about it, I haven't been on a public server for a long time. xD
Yeah, it's shockingly long. xD
 
user4202350
Do i get Free snacks here !
 
2:48 PM
Yes.
 
Anonymous
@Unihedro however, when your api goes into a working version don't forget to notice me
 
@Joiner Oh, I will ;D
I planned to set up a mailing list, but again with all automation:
 
Anonymous
lol
 
I'm not going to code anything else today though. Hard to get anything productive done with my mind soaked in distorted techno. xD
Totally me. xD
 
 
1 hour later…
4:21 PM
@Joiner The other people here already answered this :) My bot uses ChatExchange, Manishearth's Python chat wrapper.
 
EditMonitor started.
 
Sam
4:49 PM
... and I'm back.
 
Welcome back!
 
Sam
@Joiner Atm, nope. But I am working on lowering the requirements of the lib though.
Thx!
Eh, screw studying, I'll do that later; my "other projects" are piling up o_o
Time for some coding...
 
Anonymous
can someone edit to let me change my vote ?
 
Anonymous
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Q: How to pass on a bukkit item-meta Color value as a String?

ZivciI have stumbled across a problem while trying to make my code dynamic. Instead of making one class (like "cal", as seen below) for each color-code hardcoded (one containing "WHITE", one "RED", etc.) I want to pass on an argument as a String containing the name of the color I want to use in the fu...

 
Sam
Sure
 
4:53 PM
I removed a chatty sentence.
 
Sam
fox beat me -_-
 
Sam
@Joiner I'll start work now, so I should be done in a 1 hour or so...
 
Anonymous
@Sam love u
 
Anonymous
what's great about net framework is that we can use C coded libraries on vb.net projects, and viceversa
 
Sam
4:57 PM
Yup
And its going open source
 
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@FOX9000 minor, and more things can be improved, but looks correct
 
Sam
Well, this is gonna be fun; no linq :|
 
you can use linq in 4.0
(isn't that the framework you are moving to?)
 
Sam
Im gonna try moving to 2.0
 
5:01 PM
HAVE FUN WITH THAT
 
@Sam Eww... why?
 
Sam
Just like Wav.Net
@ProgramFOX Reasons.
Portability, blah blah blah
 
just wait for 4.6 (?) for releases with linux and mac
 
Sam
@gunr2171 lol thx
 
Why not 3.5 then? Pretty portable, and supports LINQ
 
Sam
5:02 PM
@gunr2171 Joiner needs it NOW :P
@ProgramFOX 'cuz I could do with a challenge ;D
 
lol
 
Sam
I haven't coded anything for a few weeks now, so I need a little "refresher".
 
Then re-write it in Assembly, that's a challenge! :P
or IL code if you want .NET
 
Sam
lol
I'd have to learn the lang first, which I don't plan on doing :P
 
make sure you use only Notepad. Real pros use Notepad.
 
Sam
5:05 PM
No comment.
 
Anonymous
i don't need version 2.0
 
Anonymous
i'm actually using the 4.0 one
 
Sam
Oh dang, CsQuery only supports .Net 4.0
@Joiner I know, but someone else may need 2.0
Oh well, 4.0 it is then. :|
Wait, ChatExchange.Net is targeted at 4.0 -_-
@joiner What exactly is the framework your IDE is targeting?
 
Anonymous
5:21 PM
@Sam 4.0
 
Anonymous
wait
 
Sam
waits
 
Anonymous
should i add websocket and csquery too ?
 
Sam
Nope.
Just make sure they are all in the same dir.
 
Anonymous
then i should :/
 
Sam
5:24 PM
Right... lemme know if that solves the prob
 
Anonymous
no
the exact framework is "net framework 4 client profile"
 
Sam
facepalm
ChatExchange.Net targets exactly 4.0
Not the client profile version.
Do you have 4.0?
 
Anonymous
yes
 
Anonymous
now it workssssssssssssssssss
 
Sam
:D
 
Anonymous
5:30 PM
love u more
 
Anonymous
You will read a strange message soon...
 
Sam
lol
 
Anonymous
@ProgramFOX started talking with his bot... poor ProgramFOX
 
Sam
Don't worry fox, it happens to us all ;D
Isn't that right pham?
 
5:33 PM
Yeah, poor Pham, you shout at him. ;P
 
Sam
lol
 
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Anonymous
@ProgramFOX it would be nice if you buy a vps and use it to keep your bot always online
 
Anonymous
let's say... it would be more useful
 
@Joiner Yeah I know, and probably I'll do that once, but probably not in the near future.
 
Sam
5:40 PM
Anyone have experience with xbuild? (looks at @pro)
 
@Sam Mono? Nope.
 
Sam
Ugh :/
 
Anonymous
512mb of ram >> 1.99€/month at OVH
 
Sam
Yeah mono.
 
Edit was pretty good, possibly could have done more though.
 
Sam
5:41 PM
nvm
 
@Joiner If I ever go for a VPS, I'd probably go for a Amazon AWS instance.
 
Anonymous
about your code using httpwebrequest, it doesn't have a "createhttp" method because it is called just "create"
 
@Joiner Create returns a WebRequest, CreateHttp returns a HttpWebRequest
perhaps it doesn't differ in VB.NET, but it certainly does in C#
 
Anonymous
there isn't such method in vb.net
 
Anonymous
at least in my ide :)
 
5:56 PM
CreateHttp? It worked fine for me when I tried it in VB.NET
 
Anonymous
that one
 
Does it work when you run the application? perhaps the IDE is wrong
 
Sam
Erm
Anyone know how to properly delete a git subtree?
 
perhaps git rm <subtree>
never used subtrees, a quick google search said that
 
Sam
Hmm, I'll give it try...
 
6:01 PM
also, what exactly do you mean by "properly delete"?
 
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Sam
As in, removing the appropriate meta data besides just the files/dirs of the subtree itself.
 
The edit is minor, but correct.
@Sam You mean, removing the whole history?
 
Anonymous
@ProgramFOX i was not asking for help, the "create" one works fine
 
maybe:
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A: How to remove previously added git subtree and its history

Andrew CYou need to use a filter-branch along with the --prune-empty option to remove any commits that no longer introduce new changes. git filter-branch --index-filter 'git rm --cached --ignore-unmatch -rf dir1 dir2 dirN file1 file2 fileN' --prune-empty -f HEAD After that, if you want to recover disk...

 
Sam
6:02 PM
@ProgramFOX Nah, just the subtree.
I tried deleting the dir of the subtree, but that didn't work.
So there must be some hidden meta info somewhere...
 
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A: git subtree: possible to change subtree branch/path in a forked repository?

elmartIf you used git subtree (and not git submodule) to create the subtree, then it's just a normal dir. To switch it to another branch, just delete it and recreate the subtree from the new branch. This is: git rm <subtree> git commit git subtree add --prefix=<subtree> <repository_url> <branch> Tha...

How have you created the subtree?
 
Sam
Yeah
And I've pushed it already
@ProgramFOX Thx, I'll give that a try.
 
And how have you created it? Using git subtree?
according to the linked answer, that depends
and that's the answer that uses git rm <subtree>
 
Sam
Yup, using git subtree.
 
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6:08 PM
Then git rm <subtree> should work. How do you see that it didn't work?
 
Sam
Well the overall plan was to switch to submodules, so I deleted the subtree, then tried to add a submodel version of the same project, but, well, I can't remember the error.
I'll try to replicate it...
 
Which repository is it? Then I can try out some things.
 
Sam
Pham :|
CE.Net can now be used as a submodule, so I'm trying to move to a submodule rather than a subtree
 
git rm ChatExchange.Net -r
perhaps?
 
Sam
Yup, just did that.
Just trying to commit now.
Then I'll add the submodule.
 
6:52 PM
this is why I like externals in svn, much easier to work with
 
7:14 PM
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and tell me if you only see your reviews or that of everyone else?
 
@rene Only mine. But that's because I don't have 10k.
10k users see all history.
 
Does the url get updated?
did it add your userid?
 
nope
 
OK, tnx
 
7:19 PM
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Code change, I don't have the knowledge to be able to review it.
 
@ProgramFOX left a comment
 
7:44 PM
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indentation edit: minor, but looks correct
I've gtg, shutting down EditMonitor.
Cya!
 
Sam
Cya!
 

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