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6:00 PM
Also lol people are so bad at versions
 
user3010322
> revealed just how many third party products that had code of the form
 
user3010322
They SERIOUSLY tested "Windows 9" with a substring and shipped their product with that.
 
user1804599
actually first party products but that would be too emberassing
 
user3010322
Imagine if Windows had, oh, I don't know, a function which got the current OS version in a reasonable struct? :v
 
@JerryCoffin Yes, I got it. I would like to see the question anyway.
 
6:02 PM
\o/ No more tax discs in UK. I'm going to give mine to Bailey to tear up. Anne is making origami rosettes.
 
user1804599
@ThePhD Programmers are bad and bad programmers use stringly-typed APIs no matter what non-stringly-typed APIs exist.
 
@ThePhD Hmm....so you're taking "somebody said it on Reddit" as implying "SERIOUSLY"?
 
user3010322
@JerryCoffin It's bad enough to be true. :v
 
At what number of points do you get "see deleted questions" privileges?
inb4 check your privilege
 
Microsoft is very bad at getting its own OS version number.
 
user3010322
6:07 PM
@Xeo For that strange error on VC++, you shoudl use char[] for your swallow instead of int
 
Xeo
whatever
 
user3010322
Not that you care, but I say anyhows.
 
@rightfold I called that days ago.
 
Xeo
Hm, at least today wasn't entirely unproductive. The last two hours (or rather, the last hour and one hour overtime) at work were surprisingly productive
 
Ell
I'm drinking mild
 
Xeo
6:08 PM
I've basically automated a memory leak
 
Ell
Its not to my taste :/
 
@Ell I'm not drinking anything, (but I do have plans).
 
Omg Scott!
Long time no see.
 
bet you've never seen him
 
shutup tomalak
hey :3
 
Ell
6:14 PM
Its okay actually
 
user1804599
$ pbpaste | sed 's/prec/expr/g' | pbcopy wonderful.
 
@ThePhD Might be a little more believable if if fit the facts. Unfortunately, under Windows 8.1, GetVersion returns the OS version as being 6.2. Windows 95 and 98 returned a version number of 4.x. You'd have to go to quite a bit of extra work to get a string starting with "Windows 9" to use to get the comparison wrong.
 
lol dumbass
 
user1804599
6:16 PM
Yeah, you suck tremendously.
 
@Mysticial Danke
A Microsoft developer explains in a Reddit thread why Windows 10 is called Windows 10. http://t.co/qJFi8yJEJg
This is how you do it, tomalak.
 
See how shit it is?
 
I intercepted the courier on my way home
the motherfucker stood no chance
 
lol
 
I should probably update my motherboard's BIOS; with the new card it took a solid 10+ seconds to get over the POST splash screen O_o
 
user1804599
6:20 PM
Disable POST.
 
POST is p useful
 
I don't want to disable POST afaik it checks for lots of hardware stuff
in any case, it's usually best to update the BIOS anyway
at least I'm lucky and it booted up :D I've read now that for some people it wouldn't boot without an update
I should buy a new case, and a new PSU; I had to use 2 x 4 pin -> 6 pin adaptors for this, IIRC new cards have 6 pin connectors already
aaaand I don't have PCI bracket screws for the case anymore
so I tied the GPU with some plastic thingies
though the PCI-E port should provide enough support
but the question of the day is: will I see any difference between VGA and DVI-D now that I switched to DVI-D
a mate told me I will so here goes
 
@EtiennedeMartel you know what. I just watched that. Waste of time. How about we talk about sex, not as a baseball-game pizza but, you know, as sex?! That makes it even easier! Wow.
 
@sehe I think the whole point was to kill the "baseball" metaphor.
 
Well, it's kinda dumb to substitute it for an other error-prone coat hanger
 
6:26 PM
> Each lawyer shall be entitled to be accompanied by one paralegal who shall act as an attendant and witness. At that time and location, counsel shall engage in one (1) game of “rock, paper, scissors.” The winner of this engagement shall be entitled to select the location for the 30(b)(6) deposition to be held somewhere in Hillsborough County during the period July 11-12, 2006.
lol
 
@Sofffia just about plausible enough to still retweet (even though it doesn't not seem accurate). Still, the '9x match could well be a reason.
 
@AlexM. Probably memory check
Unless it does that every time then there's probably something wrong
 
@CatPlusPlus yeah it does it every time I start/restart the PC
 
> You're talking about the same company that went from Xbox 360 to Xbox One.
lol
 
6:29 PM
I'll do a BIOS update asap and see if it fixes the problem
the GPU seems to work fine otherwise
 
@sehe Xbox One, because it's "All your entertainment in One box".
 
user1804599
@Sofffia Looking at the documentation it seems pretty reasonable.
 
Can't believe I still have to explain this.
 
user1804599
It doesn't even use new!
 
Oh, ok then.
 
6:30 PM
@EtiennedeMartel Hehe. Bose 1-2-3
 
But versions are numberS?????????????????
 
@EtiennedeMartel Nobody does have to explain anything. They're just product names and branding
 
I don't understand why can't they couldn't just go with Xbox, Xbox 2, Xbox 3 like everyone else.
 
user1804599
Not cool enough.
 
Was the excuse of 360 because "The entertainment is all around you"?
Or some bullshit like that?
 
6:33 PM
You're already confused. I don't want to ruin your 2222 rep... Maybe if you get another 7 bronze badges. That would be leet. — sehe just now
 
Because they're not numbers and they can be arbitrary?????????????????
 
user1804599
@Sofffia The on/off button was round!
 
Because marketing is more important than spergs going on about total ordering of the product names?????
 
@Sofffia I don't understand why you not understanding it is relevant
> spergs
 
user1804599
asperges
 
6:33 PM
I nose
 
user1804599
supersmerig
 
user1804599
asperagus :vomit:
 
Niet zo heel erg lekker nee.
 
@CatPlusPlus It's terrible marketing.
That doesn't make sense.
 
6:35 PM
Yes????????
 
99% of the population does not, in fact, care about whether consecutive product names follow lexicographical order
It needs to be catchy
Not "make sense" whatever that means
 
I hope half of their customers will get confused and refuse to buy an xbox which seems to be of a lower version than Xbox 360.
 
Nobody does that
Nobody cares about version numbers jesus christ
 
I do
 
Even people who should care about version numbers are terrible at version numbers which are in fact NOT NUMBERS
 
user1804599
Americans can't even count so many customers would actually be confused if they did consecutive version numbers.
2
 
Va
 
@rightfold The confusion that you're reading about in the press is actually the problem that the Americans have with a headline claiming that Microsoft skipped a version .... when said Americans look at Windows 8 and Windows 10 they can't figure out what the headline is talking about.
That's why people are like WTF on the internet.
 
oh no a number skip in product names that were already established to be completely arbitrary
the horror
my ocd
 
lol
 
6:39 PM
@CatPlusPlus They had a chance to go back to then not being arbitrary, now it's lost :P
 
did you know windows 8.1 is actually windows 6.3??????????????????????????????
 
inb4 Mac OS XII
Because "eleven" is not catchy enough.
 
> .Before you start.....
I. If your system supports Intel Hyper-Threading technology, please kindly disable the function in the BIOS.
I'll disable HT, but I won't do it kindly.
 
lol what
 
Gigabyte's BIOS update tool
 
6:42 PM
What.
 
What.
 
And the Super Troll Of The Week Award goes to ... ^
 
I wonder what happens if I don't disable HT
 
ergh... I don't want a .ovh... but they offers it for frees :S
 
For a second there I thought you were talking about overlay files
Also if your mobo still runs BIOS then it's probably too old :v
 
6:46 PM
enough of your hipster file formats
 
UI work boring
entertain me
 
/r/gonewild
 
user1804599
mengonewild is fun.
 
user1804599
Cat post yourself on mengonewild please.
 
Cat don't.
 
6:50 PM
@rightfold it's not "catgonewild" you know
 
How can UI be boring? It's what the user sees. It is art without code or data. It's something that sells your app, (OK, it can be a bit boring..).
 
boring
users are boring
API best UI
 
API best nerd spergs UI
 
My customers may have an issue with an API spec instead of a Windows GUI.
I have enough problems with API specs myself.
 
<3 apis and protocols
 
user3010322
6:57 PM
APis and Protocols are nice.
 
user3010322
Problem is, once you ship it out and even 5 people take a dependency on it, you're fucked if you wanna fix it.
 
user3010322
GUIs, you can turn that shit upside-down and people will still use your stuff.
 
My APIs need no fixin
 
Maybe you are, because you're bad at APIs and forwards/backwards compat
:v
 
@Sofffia Sure - you just change the docs.
 
6:58 PM
Also you've never seen user uproar at GUI changes if you think you can just do whatever you want with it :lol:
 
@MartinJames I just don't write APIs, that's all. :)
It's the proper way to avoid API derived problems.
Unless you consider every piece of code API
 
user3010322
@CatPlusPlus I've seen uproar, but that uproar usually goes away within a moment.
 
user3010322
(moment being anywhere from a few days to a few months)
 
Yeah, along with the users
 
@JohnConde: "PHP died a long time ago" is (a) demonstrably untrue, and (b) unconstructive. Why did you feel the need to be a jackass today? — Lightness Races in Orbit 6 secs ago
 
7:00 PM
@ThePhD Except when you change the green of the accept mark. I still cry sometimes.
 
@CatPlusPlus I have had only one 'uproar' issue. I changed the order of the data in the DBgrid view from 'newest at top' to 'newest at bottom'. It didn't go down well.
 
What error message? Also, FYI, that code is obsolete. PHP died a long time ago. — John Conde 2 mins ago
you wish
 
@Sofffia Interface boundaries are!
Writing well-defined APIs is a good thing to do (Tm) even if you're the only consumer
 
True
 
user3010322
It's even better wehn you're the only consumer, because you can smash the API.
 
user3010322
7:02 PM
I just finished re-smashing my Vector API and making it loads better.
 
@ThePhD Such as?
 
user3010322
Way less code, much less crap under the hood.
 
No that's still waste of time :v
 
user3010322
You shush, it was fantastic. :c
 
:Y
 
7:03 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit "Why did you feel the need to be a jackass today?" - you say that a lot.
 
I don't deliver API's. I do, however deliver protocols. Same miserable issues.
 
Only when he is butthurt.
 
user3010322
Meh.
 
user3010322
Protocols are easier to smash.
 
user3010322
Just version and then break.
 
user3010322
7:04 PM
Want shit? Stick to version 1, fucker. :v
 
@sehe I've never said that before in my life.
Nice try, though.
 
@ThePhD They don't need smashing, they are already pretty badly damaged.
Now what? B. has blown up. Gotta check..
 
...as is calling someone a jackass, unconstructive and insulting, somewhat. — Fred -ii- 4 mins ago
 
@Sofffia Yes, that was a response to the one time I've said it.
As I just indicated, I've never said it before that.
Try listening.
 
Oh, you are good.
That makes me all wet.
 
7:07 PM
I updated the BIOS without disabling hyperthreading, wasn't able to enter the BIOS to disable it anyway
the computer boots normally now
 
@Sofffia lol
 
time for bus
bai
 
i
 
 
7:09 PM
it even changed the splash screen for POST
it's nicer now
 
Meh - can't post empty message.
 
I think we can. But I forgot how to
 
⁣ ⁣
 
@Sofffia Hah. See above (is that your 0x200a hair piece showing?)
 
Don't remember which one was that one.
Maybe the 0x2<6 somewhere> one
 
7:13 PM
meh, I guess colors are warmer and the whole image is a bit sharper with DVI
I can see the differences best in Steam's interface
yeah, it's better than VGA
 
@Sofffia it's the hair space. At least, after browsering
 
Invisible chair:
 
I just have it stored like that somewhere
 
Character: U+200A
Name: HAIR SPACE
Annotations and Cross References
Notes:
thinner than a thin space
in traditional typography, the thinnest space available
Approximate equivalents:
U+0020 SPACE space
General Character Properties
Block: General Punctuation
Unicode category: Separator, Space
Various Useful Representations
UTF-8: 0xE2 0x80 0x8A
UTF-16: 0x200A
C octal escaped UTF-8: \342\200\212
XML decimal entity: &#8202;
 
7:15 PM
I just knew some unicode shit was coming my way:(
 
fuck
 
okay
 
hard!
 
I cannot. Anne has gone out to play dominoes at the Black Swan.
 
💩
What do you see there?
 
7:19 PM
@Sofffia you.
 
It's working then
 
user1804599
Hmm.
 
user1804599
I think I will make it so that types implement Set.
 
user1804599
instanceof would just be set.contains?.
 
SRP and abstraction levels. They don't mix. And if they do, you're reinventing YASL
 
7:28 PM
@rightfold Is that Ruby (or some LISP) influence? The contains? I mean.
 
user1804599
And the top "type" would be set.universal.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes when I called him he asked me if it's not ok to deliver it tomorrow :P
 
user1804599
@Sofffia Yes Lisp.
 
so it was close to that
lucky me, I was an asshole
 
user1804599
@sehe wat
 
7:29 PM
It's a bad idea. You can /implement it/ that way. But you shouldn't expose it.
 
Why do you need instanceof?
 
Because people want to runtime compare types
 
I was expecting some statically typed language.
 
user1804599
You can do instanceof in many statically typed languages.
 
Such as?
 
user1804599
7:31 PM
For example, in C# and Java, and you can write it in C++ in terms of dynamic_cast.
 
@AndyProwl sure; I've had some personal matters to attend to
 
@rightfold Those are not functional.
 
@ScarletAmaranth good to see you :)
 
user1804599
Statically typed ≠ functional.
 
Well
Some may argue C++ is multiparadigm
 
user1804599
7:32 PM
Subtyping can occur in functional programming languages, as can dynamic typing, and instanceof can be useful when subtyping and dynamic typing are involved.
 
@AndyProwl the girl I mentioned here a few months ago is the personal thing to attend to basically, haven't really had the time to do much besides uni, her and some programming
 
@ScarletAmaranth ah, so did it end up well?
 
@rightfold I've never claimed they were equal
 
@AndyProwl yup; it "changed my life" to an extent; I no longer have vast amounts of free time I got used to (being a student)
 
glad for you man :)
 
Xeo
7:33 PM
hm
 
thanks :)
@AndyProwl what have you been up to as of recent?
 
user1804599
I know exactly how I want to do this, but it's difficult to explain without large examples.
 
Xeo
I need something to watch - guess Hyouka'll have to do
 
user1804599
Oni Chichi.
 
@ScarletAmaranth nothing exciting, really... health problems :/ hopefully it won't last long
 
7:34 PM
@Xeo Rick and Morty
 
Xeo
@rightfold wut
 
@Xeo Columbo, True Detective, Breaking Bad, The Wire, Sons of Anarchy
 
@AndyProwl yeah that always sux; usually just the annoying doctor visits if they're even slightly regular are quite a bother; hopefully you'll get better soon
 
user1804599
@Xeo It's an anime.
 
user1804599
Also CppCon.
 
Xeo
7:35 PM
> Oni Chichi (鬼父) is a series of hentai OVAs
 
user1804599
Or Pat Condell.
 
Xeo
I wanna watch non-porn right now
 
user1804599
SpongeBob SquarePants.
 
user1804599
@sehe Why is it a bad idea?
 
@ScarletAmaranth thank you
 
7:37 PM
9 mins ago, by sehe
SRP and abstraction levels. They don't mix. And if they do, you're reinventing YASL
 
user1804599
Where is the SRP and where are the abstraction levels?
 
You can of course /model/ a set.
SRP = single responsibility. Abstraction Levels: you're implementing a type system, not a data structure
 
user1804599
Types are values, like in Python.
 
@rightfold YASL (yet another scripting language)
 
user1804599
> YASL provides a light-weight framework for developing Swing-based applications along with a library of Swing components and utilities.
 
7:38 PM
It's fine if you make the abstractions leaky by design
 
@rightfold Yet Another Scripting Language
 
Just know you want it
 
user1804599
I don't see why Type couldn't implement the Set interface, really.
 
A Type as a set of functions that operate on the type?
 
No, a set of interfaces/bases
 
7:40 PM
A Type as a set of objects derived from that type?
 
nope. That's accident. Not type
 
@rightfold Implementation detail
A type could be a set of methods/whatever, but your choice is p arbitrary
 
user1804599
structure User ( id: UserID, name: String )
// User is now a value of type Type
let user = make User(id=make UserID(1), name="rightfold") in
// user is now a value of type User
assert(set.contains? User user)
 
^ listen to the wise man
 
@rightfold // nobody will understand this, ever!
 
7:42 PM
make?
 
@rightfold you may need to change this implementation detail. Core language features merit core language support. Otherwise, just go back to blessing hashes into objects.
 
Is that like new in Java?
 
user1804599
Yes.
 
mew
 
ew
 
7:43 PM
hola senoritas
 
Hola
 
user1804599
User is a set because its type is Type which is a subtype of Set since it implements all methods required by Set.
 
user1804599
It's not an implementation detail, it's an API.
 
@TemplateRex por favor, señoritas
 
A Type is a set of what exactly?
 
user1804599
7:45 PM
User, for example, is the set of all values created with make User(…).
 
Of things, obviously
@rightfold Wut? A language with builtin singletons. Are you confusing DAL and querying with language design now?
 
user1804599
Type is the type of types, similar to Class in Ruby and type in Python.
 
So, a Type is a set of all the objects with that type?
 
@sehe meh, diacritics suck
 
user1804599
Yes.
 
user1804599
7:47 PM
@sehe What do you mean by builtin singletons? There's a built-in singleton that is the type of the empty tuple. :v
 
btw, does anyone know where the phrase "hurt pain pain" comes from? I hope it's not from the Frozen movie
 
@TemplateRex it's onomatopoeic, the typical sound of a C++ programmer
 
@TemplateRex dïåçṛįţỉčș šưċḳ
 
user1804599
My dia is critical of your suckage.
 
@AndyProwl do you also want to be able to do std::forward<auto>(x) instead of the stuttering std::forward<decltype(x)>(x)?
 
7:50 PM
@rightfold if the type is the set of all instances thereof, presumably the type is a global to the program
 
@TemplateRex no, that would not be meaningful I reckon
 
@TemplateRex Wat
 
there's nothing to deduce there
@Sofffia std-proposals
 
user1804599
@sehe Well, structure User(…) defines a property on the module.
 
user1804599
Quite like class User: … in Python.
 
7:51 PM
yeah. that's bad
 
user1804599
Why?
 
I don't know. I'm getting the idea you don't know what you want yet. You're mixing up all kinds of stuff here. If you don't separate concerns in the early stage, pretty soon you'll have your proverbial spaghetti factory
 
user1804599
I know exactly what I want.
 
@AndyProwl Wouldn't function<decltype(x)>(x) usually be just function(x)?
 
GOOGLE DOT COM IS SLOW WHAT IS THIS
 
7:53 PM
It's been too long since I've last coded in C++
 
@Sofffia the question was about std::forward, not std::function
 
@rightfold Ugh
 
@CatPlusPlus do you have any idea how many attacks are aimed at that address?
 
Nobody will understand that nonsense
There is no purpose to it other than wanking about being clever
 
@AndyProwl function in that example, is literally just a placeholder for any function. Not std::function.
 
7:54 PM
@TemplateRex LOOK AT ME I DONT CARE
 
@Sofffia the example was about perfect-forwarding in generic lambdas
 
@AndyProwl But isn't f<decltype(x)>(x) just f(x) for any function f?
 
http://chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/19204551#19204551
I thought you meant each object has a set of base types (this refutes/ignores the hierarchical relations between types).
 
anyway no I don't think they're the same in general
 
However, if you want to make it actually "each types has-a handle to each instance of it, how will you do substitutabilty tests? employee instanceof Person is false, even though Employee derives from Person?
 
7:55 PM
depends on how function is written
 
[ { "id",6: "name","test user" } ]
Good job, me
 
It really sounds like you didn't think this through
@CatPlusPlus almost json
 
@Sofffia not for all functions, e.g. std::forward
 
@AndyProwl Why not?
 
separators = (',', ': ') not separators = (': ', ',')
 
7:56 PM
Is it because of the std::remove_reference<T>::type thingy?
 
@Sofffia because the argument x is always an lvalue, but decltype(x) could be X&& or X&
and depending on what function does that may matter
otherwise we would just write std::forward(x)
 
@rightfold my kids know what they want. They just don't know what the consequences are
 
police suspect in extortion case
 
user1804599
@sehe a value has a canonical type, which is T in make T(…). In memory, the result of make T(…) is a value that somewhere inside it stores a pointer to T.
 
@TemplateRex I see "image not found"
 
7:58 PM
@rightfold I understood this much. Now, to answer my question?
 
@TemplateRex 403
 
user1804599
It wasn't a question.
 
@AndyProwl hm? I see it clearly, but it's on a nsfw site...
maybe it's blocking non-dutchies
 
weird
maybe
 
@sehe do you see the image?
 
7:59 PM
> 403 forbidden
 
sounds like IP blocking
 
had some enterprise quality today. Tried to check in but it failed due to a test, found nothing wrong so tried to check in again. This time threw an exception but accepted the check in. Diagnostic logging enabled for both but no output :)
 
do you have Hola unblocker?
 

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