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11:36 AM
I am flagging the same way it is flagged against me
for inappropriate content
I also did in the Sandbox because I received some threats against me
> you don't learn! I will ensure you never ever get entry in the JS chat again.
is that a normal human behavior?
 
That's not particularly nice but people act like this when annoyed by someone.
 
so people flag me that I tell my friend he resembles some Israelites traits, I am being suspended
someone tells anotherone he is indian, stereoypes him
and when I flag, I am ridiculous
perfect system
I'd say
 
Then THAT SOMEONE can flag if he feels offended. Also, calling someone a racial slur is a different thing than calling someone annoying.
 
full nepotism and oligarchy I'd say
@ThiefMaster Adam who I called acts like the jewes
had nothing against it
some other people flagged it cause they felt "offended"
and I got suspended
 
It's a chat. Of course jokes between people who know each other since some time are something else than a joke from someone who's generally considered annoying.
And 'offensive' flags are handled by the community anyway...
 
11:39 AM
someone comes and asks about JS and Java, someone guesses that he is Indian because of his naivity
and noone does anything
it is juts not normal, I really want to the the right thing but apparently what is right is not what people in general thing it is right
 
That could be because - unfortunately - such naivety is very common with 'developers' from that area.
 
that's why there are treatment of laws and backdoors
@ThiefMaster see, now that is racist what you are saying (or at least by the standards of the JS room)
 
To be honest, I think by now you as a person are considered annoying by most of the owners and regulars in the JS room.
 
If I said that I would be flagged and suspended but since you are not me, you aren't
@ThiefMaster yes, that is because I have been labeled, something people usually state they are against
there is no equality
 
Which means it's best to stay out... would you go to a party after being told multiple times that most people don't like you there?
 
11:42 AM
If I make another profile and talk normally people would not be against me but I would be the same person
@ThiefMaster of course I would if there is something to learn from them, surely, they will change their opinion after a while
when they know me better
As one famous Bulgarian singer sings -> Show those lads, how you toss yourself, how you do it
People are trying to make me accept I am wrong for things I am not to feel better, well I am not a sheep to accept what the society tells me
If 2+2 = 4 I won't bend to say 2+2 = 5 because the group says that and it's "normal"
I do realize it is scary when you go through the forest and a new unknown creature appears from nowhere because you don't know it. I think the same principal applies to the fact that I don't act the way the social norm dictates so it is something new to the people and they get scared from it. I completely understand that. The fact they dislike me is kind of sad though.
Cause I mean them no harm, only good, and I want to show them how they look, instead of that, they cut their own wings.
@ThiefMaster can you tell me with a straight heart that you are not biased even a little
 
12:15 PM
@ThiefMaster I am a programmer, I would always look for an alternative solutions
people act the same way machines do, just that with people, there are much more factor
culutre for example is like default settings that people can overwrite
but mostly they don't
because change is expensive
 
 
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2:40 PM
@ziGi @AdamBarak wth happened?
(That prompted this discussion)
 
I don't know
some people with sand in their bottoms decided to rage again for something
I think because I told Adam that he shows some traits israeli people show and I got suspended
cause someone (that is not Adam) thinks it's offensive
and that sparked some discussions in the chat
and you know how it goes
 
2:53 PM
You should really stop being so confrontational.
It's bad for your health.
 
haha, true, true
 
Also - mentioning race is not something people in the room appreciate - so it's probably best to just not mention race in the room.
Also, not argue with mods or SE staff.
 
why, aren't they people who understand a bit better?
 
SE is a private website, it's not a democracy - you're using their service which they're letting you use for free.
@ziGi either them or you - does it really matter?
This is not the first time we're having this discussion
 
yes, well I will behave from now on like I do with the rest of my other accounts
docile
@BenjaminGruenbaum although they take my information and advertise on me which is not for free per se
 
2:56 PM
It's not about being docile, you saying it is won't make it so
 
acting is important, I know
 
It's about respecting the community, they don't have to earn your respect - if you want to participate in a community you need to 'get accepted'
 
why is it so much simpler in my country?
 
It's not
 
in your opinion?
 
2:59 PM
Yes, in my opinion - we're having a discussion in which we express opinion.
 
well I have never experienced anything like what I experience here
 
That implicature there that I think I have a monopoly on the truth is absurd and you should stop doing that.
If people have another culture than yours you should respect their culture
That's completely unrelated though, the etiquette the JS chat has is pretty simple, you can act very reasonable when you try.
 
aren't there wars because of that? because people think their culture is superior and the right one
it is true
and since I respect your opinion Benjamin, I will try
 
@ziGi I'm not sure what to do with the strawman you just threw at me - especially since the room is very multicultural and you're the only problematic user in the last few months.
 
because you are calm enough and respectful to explain it to me like a normal person
 
3:01 PM
Because I always go afk and work and when I get back you're muted and there's a shit storm on meta for some reason.
Somehow - that never happens when I talk to you.
So you're obviously not daft, you can behave like a constructive user but you choose not to around some members. I have no idea what to do about it.
 
because as I told you, you are quite respectful, that is why
@BenjaminGruenbaum because I have the naive idea that I can change their thinking by provoking them but apparently it doesn't work
 
Having alternative accounts is also kind of dishonest imo, you should pick one account and use it. I totally get it if that account is not ziGi because of that shitstorm.
@ziGi you're creating antagonism, their thinking is just fine. I can't name one room member that isn't several levels smarter than the average person - they're all developers and they all get along.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum I have a few other accounts but I don't use them since it is unfair and it doesn't follow the rules of the site, which I respect
 
I don't think it's not about respecting the rules of the site, I think it's about respecting yourself
 
Why do they get so easily affected then if they are smart? I think a person should not only be smart and intelligent but well managing his emotions.
I think my problem is that I really like experimenting socially.
In a way it brings me joy because I can draw conclusions for myself.
And then use this information to discuss with some people outside this area.
 
3:05 PM
No, your problem is that you're very disrespectful to some members in the chat, you won't take the time to get the room etiquette and power balance and frankly you sometimes act like a jerk in political discussions etc
Your last statement sounds like you consider yourself some sort of social science mastermind and the room as your guinea pig experiment where that is clearly not the case.
 
Hm, well that sounded a bit off I guess.
 
Well, if I hadn't known any better I would have thought that was sarcasm because the reality is quite different.
 
I don't disrespect them, I actually really appreciate them from what they do, but I believe they don't have the emotional maturity.
Well it is not a sarcasm. Maybe my way of expressing myself is not proper, I am not sure.
 
People just really like avoiding confrontation, when you go to the room and act confrontationally - you don't just make me look bad for asking people to give you a second chance and not mute you. You're provoking people who try real hard to tolerate you as much as they can.
 
Well I am glad you are taking the time to explain that to me, because what you are saying is quite valuable.
 
3:08 PM
When you cross the line - they get annoyed and they mute you - which again is well within their power in this privately owned website.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum ah, sorry, I didn't want it to look that way but now it is irreversible, since I did not realize I am causing so much harm. I thought it is 'the internet' as all the people say in the room and 'deal with it' as they say. So I just decided to act like them.
 
Right, but you get to do that after a while when they know you.
If your best friend calls you a dick and you call him an asshole it's friends poking fun at eachother.
If some guy walks to you in the street and starts swearing you you'd probably punch them or for the very least say something back.
 
Yes, I think I have too high expectations that people would be more opened like this.
@BenjaminGruenbaum this assumption is totally incorrect.
 
If you walk into someone's house and start calling them names and making racist remarks about their ethnicities - don't be surprised if and when you get kicked out.
 
Why do you think I am so aggressive, I look at him, if he's smiling I would start calling him a dick too in response
@BenjaminGruenbaum hm, that sounds pretty serious
 
3:11 PM
im writing from work so please forgive any errors... I realize that this discussion started from me .. I want to apologize for that
I was put off by the response really
 
I can call rlemon a Canadian fuck or call Amaan an Indian asshole because they know there is no real racist connotation there.
 
never happend to me, I have a lot of people that I know from different ethnicities and they never thought that I am such a dick.
 
sorry zigi and sorry benjamin
 
@AdamBarak your message on Meta is also quite absurd.
 
Most likely when people see my outer looks they don't get me seriously because I just look ridiculous
so when I do that real live people react differently
 
3:12 PM
@BenjaminGruenbaum I know.. when I'm angry I can't seem to find the words
 
So you're mad at the room for people taking you seriously?
 
I am not mad since I lack some things that are normally part of human emotion
like madness or envy or jealousy
 
@AdamBarak blaming a moderator for being racist? I know you don't know TM but he's probably the farthest thing from a racist there is. Even if he was - why meta? Why community discussion?
@ziGi is that a medical condition?
 
I have no idea, I have never been to a psychiatrist and I am scared to go, because I know they invent pills just so their business can go forward, so I don't trust them.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum I'm not disturbed by that fact really. what I'm disturbed from is condemning zigi telling I look like Jewish or Israeli (and me being ok with that) but not condemning a mod for saying that
whoever the user is
 
3:14 PM
@ziGi go talk to a psychologist - it can really help you. I know people who've really gained a lot from talking to a professional.
 
we either condemn both or we don't condemn anyone
 
also other people saying to completely new strangers that by the things they say they must be Indian
which is total stereotyping
for which I am again condemned
 
I'm really putting myself in trouble for defending zigi this way but this is because I know him and he is a great person
I have always been docile before this
 
@AdamBarak because he didn't say it. He said a lot of Indian people come to the JS room and ask for help without knowing anything about development which is a statistical fact. More people from India come to the room and ask for random help than any other country. That doesn't even imply Indians are less talented than any other nationality - not to mention our Indian regs.
 
Well thank you Adam, you are also a good guy although I know you for 2 days only
@BenjaminGruenbaum it is a statistical fact that East Europeans go to work in West Europe but that doesn't stop politicians to exaggarate on it just to scare people
the same way people exaggerate about me starring and flagging and making fake profiles just to give me a bad rep
 
3:17 PM
@ziGi I'm not sure that has anything to do with what I said but sure. Scare politics is commonplace world wide.
 
also multi upvoating my SO articles
@BenjaminGruenbaum well they use the statistics and it's not racist
a normal person uses statistics and he is a racist and if he comes up with some statistics they call bullshit on them
 
@ziGi most people don't understand statistics at a grand scale, this is just people coming every other day.
@ziGi want in on a little secret? Stack Overflow has very good logs and they know exactly what you do with your profile. TM can actually know who flags and/or stars what.
 
that is good
but when I told him to check earlier
he said he lost the count
 
Meh, we've had this discussion before - several times.
 
because the person who did did something else
 
3:19 PM
You should just find it in your heart to be respectful to other users, even if you don't like them.
 
but I like them
I am respectful
I am just trying to help them change their way of thinking into a more critical one
but it doesn't work
 
Then be respectful, and stay off 'hot' topics until you feel comfy about them.
@ziGi that's your problem - you think there is a problem with the way everyone else thinks.
If one person is not normal it means they're crazy. If everyone is not normal it means you're crazy.
 
but maybe there is a problem, how can they see if they can do better if they haven't done it?
crazy doesn't define abnormal
 
That's condescending, and stupid.
 
it is not
 
3:20 PM
@BenjaminGruenbaum I don't know what to tell further really but I'd avoid to say that in the first place if I was a mod. let's say there's a big number of big nosed and ugly haired turkish people in Turkey
 
I used to be like them before
 
You assume you have more life experience or critical thinking than other users
 
I'd stop that discussion here anyway
we're just halting our day and going nowhere
 
@AdamBarak that's racist.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum I'm Turkish I should know. You know that I'm actually big nosed and hairy? yeah. not racist from that point but a statistical proven fact
 
3:21 PM
@BenjaminGruenbaum I cannot say that for sure but I can try showing them some from what I have experienced, no?
 
@ziGi no, you really can't.
You don't go into a community and try to educate everyone into your way of thinking.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum how can you be sure of that, have you tried it before?
 
If you go all missionary in a community, don't be surprised they kick you out.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum but I am not
why do you think I am enraged?
The only problem I see right now is that I am giving you a bad name
for which I sincerely apologize
 
@ziGi stop with the logical fallacies, I know a lot of things I didn't try because they're simple to deduce.
@ziGi all the guys there know I'm an asshole anyway :D
 
3:22 PM
haha well you look like a nice guy
why do you say they think you are an asshole
if you were an asshole you would be bashing me now
instead of explaining
 
You assume you have a superior 'way of thought', everyone else in the room disagrees with you, they're not stupid people.
Most of those people are quite educated and pretty smart.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum I have never said I have a superior way of thought, just different one
 
I mean... ThiefMaster works for effing CERN after picking it over Google. I'm not sure of a "smarter" workplace.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum smart != intelligent != emotionally rational
and I agree I am stupid
 
I was thinking the same thing ^^
 
3:24 PM
most likely TM is much smarter than me
 
Ok, let's say you sit in your home and a missionary comes in and starts to try and convince your kids to convert to Mornon
 
but that doesn't mean he has better life perception than me because maybe he spent his time to become that smart
 
Would you appreciate it?
 
no but I will try it before shutting him up using duct tape
because I am opened for new things
 
well I had a Christian come up and try to convert me
we ended up talking about politics instead
 
3:25 PM
but I will question him and his way first
 
@ziGi life is all about closing doors, not just opening them.
 
and it would be interesting experience for me
which I will embrace
 
You don't try everything.
 
Why?
But that's what I like doing
 
Shoving up your way of thought up people's throats, especially people you don't know, especially if they're discussing something unrelated is rude.
 
3:26 PM
trying different things, isn't that why we live?
 
No, it's really not.
Did you try drinking dog piss?
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum what is the purpose then?
@BenjaminGruenbaum no but it might be good
especially if someone has tried it before and invented a nice cocktail out of it
 
I'm not going to answer "What is the meaning of life", even if I did or did not that would not show or prove anything. It's a 5 hour debate :P
@ziGi how about you try dog piss? Or having a bite of dog poo?
 
let's say it that way
 
What about going out naked in the street and walking naked to a police station? How about you try that now?
 
3:28 PM
there are too many things to be tried and I am human after all so I have to prioritize
@BenjaminGruenbaum actually I did
they told me, 'Boy go dress up'
 
That's dumb :D
 
I did that to an old woman when I was 12
xD
 
but they didn't care much either so it was boring and I stopped it
ahahaha :D
 
How about going there and telling them you killed a man and ate the corpse?
Wouldn't that be interesting to try?
 
Adam
 
3:29 PM
oh man that's nasty
there's a limit
 
Oh wait, do life choices have consequences?
That's new, I thought you should try everything.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum well it would be fine to try but that is against the law so I prefer not to do it
 
@ziGi well, I'm not saying actually kill someone and eat them, I'm just saying tell it to the police.
 
well. try everything as in try most of the human things
 
What about posting nude photos of your parents on facebook? Wouldn't that be interesting to try?
Don't try most things
 
3:30 PM
yes but that is perjury
 
Don't try anything
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum I don't have such
 
Life choices have consequences
@ziGi take some
 
this means I will interfere with the police
 
It'd be a fun thing to try, right?
 
3:31 PM
and their life
 
Another fun experience!
 
yeah, but sensible things
just to see how it would work out
 
@ziGi A sensible thing would be not to bother users with inappropriate remarks on the internet, especially if the goal is to 'educate' them :)
 
What do we have to do in our life then? why did America was discovered? Why Turkey was discovered and made as a new state? because people try new things
 
there isn't much point in the result of putting naked pictures (that I don't have) of my parent's on facebook unless it is part of a blackmailing scheme against them
 
3:32 PM
at least, that's my opinion. take it as that
 
@AdamBarak That's a fallacy, you should try new things and you should try every new thing are completely different.
@ziGi a 'fun experience', 'trying something out'
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum but I am not doing every new thing
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Of course not every thing
 
But think about it for a second @BenjaminGruenbaum, what I did had consequences which teach you how to deal with similar cases in the future, therefore it is something useful, it also teaches me, it also in a way teaches the people in the room how to deal with it. I don't think it is wrong.
 
You could have thought about it for a few seconds and figure it out on your own
 
3:34 PM
It gives you food for the thought. If you never have to deal with a grizzly bear, how would you know how to deal with it the first time it comes and you don't survive?
 
Some of your remarks were confrontational and inappropriate. I think we both understand that.
@ziGi Well, a good step would be to avoid being alone with a grizzly bear.
If you do, you might want a shotgun
Anyway, I have to get back to work, sorry. Please don't get in more trouble :D
 
If you have that shotgun of course :P
 
I think polemic statements are constructive, rather than destructive since they allow for an argument to establish the truth of something.
 
Just not in the JS room
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum I will only do that because of you, because I respect your knowledge and opinion enough to not want to make you look bad.
and see that you are trying to help
Have an enjoyable work and thank you for the detailed explanation
 
3:37 PM
enjoy your work and time also from me Ben
 
haha that is great
 
hahaha I have seen that somewhere already
:-)
@ziGi is your mute lifted still?
 
yes
but I still have no access to the room
but it doesn't matter cause I am leaving soon
 
good good
 
3:39 PM
I'm leaving too
 
look at that too
it is quite interesting
 
I'll look at it later because I have to go in 5 minutes :-)
wait its 3 minutes
ill watch it now
 
yes
:D
I am leaving, see ya
bromigo
 
that's fucking cool :D
 
yes
Air Dog too
 
3:42 PM
ok ok I'm leaving too in a few moments
see ya bramigo :D
 
thougth of the day
 
have a good day
 
People are like machines, just with much more settings and conditional statements than a computer. Those settings are not infinite but sufficient enough to make us mostly different but at the same time similar. This said, it means anyone can be changed, reprogrammed. We just need to know the right way. And culture is like default settings installed on someone after their creation. We as people are free to overwrite those settings but not many of us do, and even protect them zealously, since change is mostly expensive in nature and people do the natural, go with the flow.
 
I live by that thought :-)
 
hahaha, yes, I synthesized it today
ok cool, cool, see ya tomorrow
 
3:43 PM
both we did as you can see haha
see ya tomorrow :D
 
 
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7:31 PM
@ziGi ...
 
8:26 PM
@BenjaminGruenbaum, yes?
 
What's with all the shitstorm that's going on right now?
 
What shitstorm?
I went to the beach
I haven't even checked?
 
Well, @AdamBarak
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum I have even no access to the JS room and I don't think I would have soon
for some reason
some user was deleted
so now I have 200 rep reduced from my SO
that he was active to give me
where is the shitstorm?
@BenjaminGruenbaum hahahah the strategy with the mom is perfect, I was threatening people with the same strategy
and it works quite well
ahaha
I think the mom's are a higher instance than any mod here
 
8:53 PM
man
this minitech
he froze the room cause I was asking too many critical questions
he said our talk is not constructive while I believe it was quite the oposite
 

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