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00:00
Roughly a one-hour effort, so try not to be too hard on it...
We'll train our rats with it
@JerryCoffin Is it a stationary image, where the goal is to click anything that moves?
@Ell Pretty sure you're misremembering.
I'm trying to decide on a place to upload it. Preferably some place I don't like well, since I'll be burdening them with (gasps of horror) MFC code.
00:04
@sehe Oh, I think I get it.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Is it about the clock types, then?
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@JerryCoffin A game with MFC? You monster!
I think he's arguing for templated wait_for in the header which a shim that does whatever conversions are desired and calls the real non-templated wait_for which can be in a .cpp file.
I.e. doesn't have to be templates all the way down.
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Which is a very useful technique.
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Because you can take the implementation details out of the code's interface. :D
00:06
It's only useful when you can erase the type like that.
Ell
Ell
@r.martinho puppy is right, they taught us that for simplicity I think
@Ell So you learned that f(x) = sin(x) is not a function?
Or, heck, f(x) = x^2.
Ell
Ell
Oh yeah, I must be misremembering
My bad :)
@Ell Maybe they were a bit loose with the words, I guess.
@JerryCoffin I cry for you Jerry. That monster had hooks.
00:13
Ok, Time to collect those links.
@Borgleader paq8n taking over 2 hours on my linux box now, too
@JerryCoffin The project seems to be referencing bitmaps that are not there
@AndyProwl Hmm...let me try to figure out what's going on. I thought importing actually copied the bitmap to its res directory, but maybe not.
@JerryCoffin Yeah I think it just referenced those files instead
It is trying to open C:\Users\Users\Jerry\Pictures\concen\Untitled-1.bmp
00:23
@AndyProwl Yeah, looks like it. Tried to work too quickly, I guess.
@JerryCoffin Well at least you have a project
@R.MartinhoFernandes So, I was thinking about cleaning up this code and starting a proper project out of it
@AndyProwl Okay. Updated link. I have real hopes it might be usable this time...
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You will never finish it anyway.
00:38
@JerryCoffin It is! Nice!
@AndyProwl Cool! VS seems designed specifically to prevent you from creating a source archive of any reasonable size--even when you tell it to "clean" a project, it leaves some huge files that compress poorly (if at all), but aren't really needed...
@CatPlusPlus We could try that; just keep in mind I have lots on my plate right now.
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@ScarletAmaranth You can say that about all politicians because all politicians say things that people find stupid.
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(Hence there is an actual voting process.)
I have some crappy Serious Roguelike (tm) ideas
00:41
@JerryCoffin Yeah that sdf stuff
and ipch
@AndyProwl I was just typing that...
@JerryCoffin I like the name.
@R.MartinhoFernandes I was in a hurry and accepted what VS came up with by default. Shame on me!
@rightfold I'm not sure whether slowing down the wind is really likely to raise temperatures much, but it seems like he must be correct that (for example) going though a wind turbine must slow the wind (if ever so minutely). You can't hope to extract energy, and still leave it with as much energy as it had before.
can somebody explain how bounties work
00:47
If you really want someone dead, you offer people money to do it
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@ExcelledProducts You offer some of your rep in the hope that doing so will generate a better answer. Or you can basically just award a bounty on an existing answer, if you happen to think it's good enough to be worth it.
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In GTA you could set a bounty on yourself, but I’m not sure if that’s still possible.
rightfold its patched
i think
@rightfold @JerryCoffin does a bounty have to be awarded.
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00:50
No.
@rightfold GTA is dead TITAN FALLS BETA IS BETTER
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See the page I linked.
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RTFM.
@Ell I need a short one-line description to put on the wiki.
@DeadMG @melak No description or instructions!
@BartekBanachewicz No description or instructions! Or title, dammit!
I'll get around to it tomorrow
00:52
so I could only get half the bounty if they guy doesn't give it to me :(
@DeadMG Can you give me just a one-liner for the wiki for now?
run away from the sheep
man I think I am not going to get all 500 points :( only half
cries in a corner
@DeadMG Derby County fans? Don't worry, (!), I'll be avoiding them like the plague tomorrow.
00:56
@R.MartinhoFernandes download rar, run exe
Jam entries are in! Try them out! We'll arrange a vote soon.
@melak47 How do you play? What game is it even?
@R.MartinhoFernandes instructions are in the release. When you have love player you can easily launch it
a love player
@R.MartinhoFernandes oh. there's still the bug from deadmg's snake where you have to resize the window once before stuff works :E
@BartekBanachewicz Well, at least give me a title and a one-liner to put on the wiki.
00:58
@R.MartinhoFernandes I've put it myself.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Left click to tell your farmer to move somewhere, Right click to place an invisible sheepdog which the sheep avoid
FWIW, I'm not asking for the instructions for me. I'm asking for whoever goes to try it.
So put them in your release page.
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Fugam was fun, but I couldn’t get past the second level. :D
@melak47 lol invisible sheepdog.
@R.MartinhoFernandes I wonder how many will actually work 'out of the box', ie. no building, no missing libraries, no chmod/chown, no links to closed-source etc.
00:59
@R.MartinhoFernandes creepy, right? no wonder the sheep avoid it :p
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@R.MartinhoFernandes you linked the wrong repo and listed the wrong language for Bad Rats 2.
a sheepdog is not a danger to sheep
@rightfold Oh. FFS. Copy-paste mayhem.
@rightfold Strike #1.
@rightfold I'm cheating to try and not get votes1
01:01
@R.MartinhoFernandes Okay I'll add them. But really, if you install love on windows you can just doubleclick it.
@MartinJames ours will. ('cept you need love)
@BartekBanachewicz Strike #2.
@BartekBanachewicz That's good, then. It was meant more for melak.
@MartinJames .NET :)
@R.MartinhoFernandes On Windows, closed-source external.
Erm, no. FWIW Mono runs on Windows.
And it's not external. It comes with the language C#.
@R.MartinhoFernandes yeah. .love file is basically a zip package with code and assets inside.
01:03
@R.MartinhoFernandes Links with kernel32.dll - closed source.
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Bartek halp your game is too big for my monitor.
@MartinJames boo boo
ETOOBIG
@MartinJames That's not external either. It comes with the platform.
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@rightfold what? it's 1024x768 o.O
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01:04
lel
@rightfold restart vOv
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@BartekBanachewicz 1280 x 800
@rightfold Strike #3.
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Yay, I lost.
Vim is the name of an abrasive
01:05
IO "I'm back"
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But LÖVE seems fun.
We only used Allegro, and we ship it in our zip.
@rightfold well.
@Jefffrey lol
Oh, and DejaVuSansMono too.
Ship Your Zip
01:06
NOT Courier New.
@rightfold you can unzip it to get the stuff inside
That's not a library!
@CatPlusPlus I mean that it's in the zip.
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@BartekBanachewicz Is it possible to create an .exe or .app from LÖVE so others don’t have to invoke funky commands?
It's a character description library
01:07
Also Allegro is already much nicer than SDL
And I didn't even use that much
(Except for those fucking unions, but that's every C library ever)
(And C# FFI being crappy in that regard)
@rightfold I don't know, really. Keeping it as .love makes it crossplatform
@R.MartinhoFernandes "identified" :D
You can package LOVE apps
I supposed we needed some more coordination between me writing item descriptions and you writing the message.
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Woo, it works.
01:09
I can see about packaging it tomorrow
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function love.draw()
    love.graphics.print("Hello, world!", 320, 240)
end
@BartekBanachewicz Before being identified, the description is "a zombie robot that needs repairing".
@R.MartinhoFernandes alright added some details to the release page :)
Everything is identified.
whistles
            switch (Kind)
            {
                case ThingKind.Armor:
                    return "a stab avoidance device";
                case ThingKind.Weapon:
                    return "a stabbing device";
                case ThingKind.Special:
                    return "a zombie robot that needs repairing";
            }
            return "a WTF";
@rightfold yep. that's all. And that's how Glisha code (my Haskell library) will look, pretty much
01:10
I like that the projects showcase is empty
I don't have font rendering bundled yet, but you can render geometric primitives and stuff
@Jefffrey Not moved from the old wiki yet, I guess.
@R.MartinhoFernandes lol stab avoidance. Stop spoiling
@BartekBanachewicz Everything is identified!
Those strings are unused.
01:11
It's part of the ascension kit, you can't win without it
@R.M I guess we could add "CLI/graphics" to wiki too
time for me to sleep
see ya later today
If the Kind is not valid and the Thing is identified, the string is "an identified WTF. WTF?"
lol, dat include graph
Looks like C++ hello world all right
@CatPlusPlus I'll star this if you reply the message to melaks picture ^^
01:16
Replies don't show on starboard anyway
ah, right, damn
Ell
Ell
@rightfold yeah the mechanics are still broken haha, but glad you enjoyed the first level!
I think with more time the game has potential :)
What say everyone gives 5, 3, and 1 points for each category?
Ell
Ell
Also "herd the shadows to let them escape"
Is my one liner if its not too late
@R.MartinhoFernandes so that I can assign 2 of them to a single entry?
01:24
@Ell Thanks.
'Binaries appreciated, but optional' - ie: buildability optional, ie: non-working submissions acceptable.
@MartinJames If no one can build or run them I doubt anyone will vote for them.
i.e. it's a problem that solves itself.
@R.MartinhoFernandes No 'InstallGame.exe', (or linux package), should be inadmissible, IMHO. There again, I did not enter, so WTF:)
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AH
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My textures weren't in premultiplied alpha mode!
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01:29
So none of them were actually usable in all that.
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I need a "Premultiplied Alpha" default data-massager for image loaders, it would seem...
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Well, now I got perfect transparency.
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Looks a LOT nicer, that's for sure!
@MartinJames Yeah, that "or" is the thing. If I'm going to have to build it anyway because the binary is not for my platform, what's the point? It's not practical to ask everyone to provide binaries for all platforms the game works on.
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YES
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01:32
IT LOOKS SO MUCH BETTER
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Oh my gosh!
@R.MartinhoFernandes There was no 'cross-platform' rule. If I build a 'GameSetup.exe', I would expect it to run on XP-32 to W7-64. Game players do not, in general, expect to go through a compile/link phase before opening fire/crossing swords.
Game players do not expect to have to install a whole operating system either.
Anyway, I gotta sleep. Best wishes to all those loungers who gave their time to entertain us all. Nite all!
Haha XP-32
Not a chance
01:39
Rapptz built a 64-bit binary, for example.
Anyway, here we are all 1) programmers, 2) adults.
90% of the games have no mechanics to speak of, who cares if they run or not :lol:
Not the point
I made a video of our game and that 40 seconds is literally everything in there, you don't need to run it :v
(Also my encoding settings are somewhat crappy and green turned into dark green)
I just read about a guy that have two dicks, I guess it's time to go to bed
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Mmm, fun.
@CatPlusPlus link
It will never be not funny
01:48
Damn rats.
Related video: 'Dillo Jean - a leaf-gathering armadillo dances to Billie Jean by theataraxian 1,120,481 views'
Did you actually avoid those super fast things?
They move randomly
And no, you can't avoid them if they happen to bump into you
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@CatPlusPlus Hehehehe.
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So many games to download.
01:50
They can move like 20 times before you manage to press the button :v
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I can't vote, but it'll be fun.
Well done
Event loops are hard
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I... I can't fix the fence.
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What am I doing with my life there. =[
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01:52
NEXT
I tried to fix it, but it was like 2 minutes before the end and I'd have to restructure entire loop
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Ugh
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Not building from source.
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Next.
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01:53
Okay, can't even see what I'm doing there.
Nothing unusual, then
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@CatPlusPlus So... can I actually leave this place?
:lol: no
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Oh
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I just kill all the rats then?
01:55
Good luck with that
The only game over condition is you dying
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I killed tw of the sift moving ones
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one is a big ray
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rat*
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I can't fucking headslam it.
But then rats don't have the AI to actually attack you, unless they somehow randomly bump into you
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01:56
Okay
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I killed everything.
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I... win?
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WTF I can't close this game
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MALWARE.
Alt-F4
01:57
You have to press q
Or that
There was no time to implement non-keyboard events :v
Also you can damage yourself with d
And maybe spawn a new rat with s
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... Another one that wants me to build from source.
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Nothx.
Keep s pressed for a long time.
Maybe this will slow them down.
Eventually
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01:59
So.. there's no gameover condition for Fishy
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But it's... working I guess.
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Nice image models and stuff.
Sounds fishy. Is it a Splashy Fish?

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