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12:13 AM
@BenjaminGruenbaum Goodness, what a fuss. Don't listen to them, RebolBot—we all like you!!
 
:)
My answer is just "Please don't stop trying to problems for us"
 
 
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1:21 AM
@BenjaminGruenbaum I've asked for failsafes to keep the bot from being a nuisance, and with a few exceptions, we haven't had trouble yet.
 
So something happened with a JS bot that got people mad?
 
Not really, some people were using it in SuperUser. They got mad (well, kinda ) and it escalated to a big mess.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum I know non-person-backed accounts are often harassed, but RebolBot is pretty good. Adds to the atmosphere IMO. So hopefully whatever went wrong there won't affect us.
 
Yeah, me too.
 
1:25 AM
@BenjaminGruenbaum How are you. Long time no see. I'm actually not working on Rebol right now, sort of a self-imposed haitus, but my I (or more accurately my parents) have inherited 2 houses so there's... house stuff to work on.
The cat and I are sorting and scanning things.
 
I'm good, trying to participate in JS language discussions, working on some projects, lots of work on tipranks. Nice stuff.
(Haven't touched rebol in a while - way too unstable for me right now :/)
 
Well, Red is the future, I'd just like to see more community cohesion on that
 
Rebol is quite usable for little things. It beats awk or sed or any other thing like that, as "unstable" as it is.
I think it's a victim of its own ambition. If it were marketed as a swiss army knife, sort of something you kept in your back pocket, it would spread faster than "We'll replace your language of choice"
I'm working on a C++11 codebase and it's very frustrating to look at the Rebol code and go "aaargh, so simplistic"
But there is a desire to keep it simple, to work on old machines, there's a certain aesthetic to Rebol. But it's somewhat intractable, we don't have critical mass to redefine or shape it.
 
@HostileFork hah :P
 
1:35 AM
And given my finite time on this planet, I can't spin my wheels for another year. I'm not asking people to abide by my ideas, ideas should be thrown out and accepted or rejected on their merits... it should not be about personality. But the bigger problem I have had is that there's no change, no momentum.
It's sad because of how cool the language is.
But, I gave away about 30 hot wheels cars to the guy who came and installed internet here today. He has kids. I just need to get rid of all this.
Not everything "cool" has market value.
@BenjaminGruenbaum without looking into the details, do we have to worry about RebolBot, or did you just bring that into the discussion when some other problem happened?
 
@HostileFork no, don't worry about it
 
I do worry about the bot freaking out and spamming, and I've asked for designs against it.
Right now I'm not really doing a lot of Rebol stuff, but the thing about Rebol is, once you "get it" you tend to think of applications for it.
So I do fire it up, despite it not being my main project right now
Like a shell, I guess
My main project is kind of cool, I hope to show it off to everyone by the end of year
Completely tangential, has nothing to do with language design
 
@HostileFork what's it about?
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Stratifying systems in document editing tools such that multiprocessor systems can offer zero-latency assists to whatever you're doing. I guess the pitch would be "what if background spell check while you were typing was one of many features that were zero cost to implement"
 
@HostileFork Nice!
 
1:48 AM
I've had to give up a lot of secondary goals in the application framework. As I cut things away, the multiprocessor focus becomes a bigger deal.
 
I think the next big advances in text processing (that's not just storage) is NLP, if the processor could understand the text it'd really open up a lot of possibilities.
 
But I'm a very prescriptive person, I'm always like "a program should never ...(x)..." or "it should always be possible to do ...(y)..."
 
Hi
Where would I discuss meta?
 
@nahtnam Welcome to the Rebol and Red room. See our FAQ. Cool, you have a reputation score of 27 so chat away!
 
@nahtnam Meta.Rebol.stackoverflow.com.net.org :-)
@nahtnam Or you can talk to us. Do you know any Rebol?
 
1:49 AM
Nope sorry :( Only know php and learning ror
 
@nahtnam What is a computer? Serious question. I am in a mood, so I will ask you a question.
 
@HostileFork ???
 
@nahtnam If someone asked you what a computer was, what would you say?
 
Well
Its a electronic device that can solve mathematical problems in binary and store information in bits?
 
@nahtnam In the 1930s, what did the word computer mean?
 
1:52 AM
Idk?
 
@nahtnam There were accountants, and bookkeepers...
The computer was a person. Someone who ran the numbers. They added up the columns.
 
kk
 
"Computer" was "one who computes", you'd hire them
Like, I have a big book of numbers to add up and I don't want to do it, so I'll hire a computer.
 
I really came here to discuss this: Sorry, we are no longer accepting questions from this account. I already answered a question and have a rep of 27, but still cant post.
Yes ok/
.
 
@nahtnam You're chatting so your rep is okay enough for that. What can't you do?
 
1:54 AM
Well I had a Ruby on Rail question, but no one was on there :(
 
StackOverflow is an evil empire, not very nice to new users.
 
I find this interaction very amusing ^_^
@HostileFork God you're so nice, anyway. Good night.
 
Gn?
Oh just realzed @ho
@HostileFork was the creator of Rebol/Red?
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum My mom threw cocktail sauce on me the other night and called me a son of a bitch, I guess the irony of the statement was lost on her. I'm an unusual person, let's keep it there. :-)
 
Haha :P
 
1:56 AM
@nahtnam Rebol was the idea of Carl Sassenrath, more famous for the Amiga I'd say than Rebol, which fewer people know about
 
kk
Anyways I have to go. Thanks for chatting. BTW this is my personal site (nahtnam.com)
Bye! :)
 
@nahtnam A fairly clean site. Bye! Come back, although I don't want to get people's hopes up that I'm going to hang out here all that much. :-)
 
@nahtnam you might want to drop the ads for inputs.io from your site.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum So what are you doing these days?
 
@HostileFork supposed to be sleeping :P Mainly JS, C# and some Python.
 
2:00 AM
@HostileFork thanks, and @BenjaminGruenbaum I use a-ads so its all random. You a bitcoin fan?
 
@nahtnam No, really. inputs.io got hacked. Over 4100 bitcoins were stolen.
If you have stuff there withdraw it now.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum If you look back in the history you can see what I'm doing, scanning crap and giving away hotwheels cars and whatnot...
6 hours ago, by HostileFork
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I was a pretty nutty kid
 
I've asked my professional adult game designing friends to try and make a fun game out of it, I drew the missing pieces... I don't know if it's possible.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum yes. I spend hours on the forums. Thankfully I havent lost anything since I use coinbase. When I first found inputs the only thing that stopped me was that coinbase had a "sexier" :P
*look
 
2:03 AM
I have a professional board game designer friend. I can get you in touch with him if you'd like.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Oh, it's just a joke for my friends. Among whom are the head of Disney's gaming unit, and one of the editors of the last edition of the D&D monster manual. But as good as they are, I don't think they can make a fun game out of this.
I was a kid with more crayons and paper and cardboard than game design sense.
I've noticed thematically that I really liked the idea of pieces that matched the board squares, and could be moved from the board.
 
Does anyone know why the following command shows the space used on a remote share mounted in the /mnt/ directory?

$ df -H
Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on
rootfs 32G 28G 3.0G 91% /

I really only have 3.2G used in that filesystem, but the mounted share has about 25G used on it.
This is running on Ubuntu.
@H
@HostileFork, nice to see you again!
 
@Respectech Don't get too attached. :-P I have some other stuff to work on, I'm just goofing off.
Triaging some houses, just got 25mbps down here at one of them
(It's not me who inherited them, it's my parents, technically, but they're not here.)
So until they get back, I make the calls. :-)
Who pays $80/mo for DirecTV. Seriously?
 
 
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5:08 AM
@HostileFork Where is "down here"? Texas?
Incidentally, I figured out the Linux problem. Somehow, the system lost the mount point to the network share, so the process was physically writing files to the /mnt/share directory that was stored on the local filesystem, instead of on the network share.
@nahtnam I also use Coinbase. I hope they are secure!
@HostileFork My oldest daughter is making a custom Settlers of Catan expansion set. It looks really professional the way she's doing it. She's printing out the backs and faces of the hexagons using our solid ink thermal printer and using a glue stick to affix them to both sides of cardboard. You can't tell them apart from the ones that come with the game. She is also using a scroll saw and sander to cut out the wood pieces.
 
 
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2:48 PM
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Q: How to read/write a port synchroneously?

Shixin ZengAs all port operations in rebol 3 become asynchroneous, the only way I can find to do synchroneous communication is calling "wait". But the problem with calling "wait" in this case is that, it will check events for all open ports (even if they are not in the port block passed to wait) and call th...

 
3:07 PM
@Respectech don't most of those online wallets recommend not keeping many BTC in them?
 
3:18 PM
@ShixinZeng Welcome to the Rebol and Red room. See our FAQ. Sadly you won't be able to talk to us at present. You need a few more reputation points on Stackoverflow to join these chat rooms. If you answer some questions, or ask some, we might be able to help by upvoting you. In the meantime, have a look at a Rebol introduction.
 
@ShixinZeng I upvoted your question to help get you enough points
hopefully others will quickly as well
 
@Respectech I didn't have that much technology at my disposal! Although when I was a bit older and had a computer, I did have an Okimate 10 printer... it was thermal:
The ribbons had red, green, blue stripes alternating... about the width of a page length for the strip. So it printed in stripes, but it could never get the stripes quite exactly lined up. So you had these horizontal gaps where it missed or lines where it overprinted the previous run
That thing frustrated me. :-)
I don't see any of the things I made with it here, though. :-/ That's too bad. Art I made on a C64 in Koala Paint and printed on an Okimate 10 would be entertaning.
I gave away about 30 hot wheels cars to the cable guy yesterday. All the ones I didn't want. He has kids and I didn't feel like driving to Goodwill. They might have different taste in cars than I.
 
3:45 PM
More humorous scanning today.
 
4:22 PM
hello, all
 
@ShixinZeng Welcome!
 
Finally I can speak over here. Thanks for all upvotings
With regarding to my question, I am thinking of adding a refinement /only to "wait", such that it could only check for the ports passed to "wait".
 
@ShixinZeng Good to have someone here who can actually code in C on the Rebol sources. :-) How are things going at Atronix?
 
and the /only refinement can also be used to implement a pause when the ports is empty
Good and busy, thanks for asking
 
As you no doubt have observed, we do not have main branch progress on even uncontested bugfixes. :-/ That should be fixed.
It sounds like you hammered through the 64-bit stuff to the point of stability, more or less?
 
4:29 PM
@HostileFork, I was away in the last few weeks from playing around with Rebol 3
but as far as 64-bit stuff, I am always testing with 64-bit version, it seems to be OK. however, I am not doing actually heavy testing with it.
My current focus is to get linux GUI ready
 
@ShixinZeng I heard reports that was going well. You have a deadline in March or something?
 
@HostileFork, yes
 
I was entertaining the idea of making something in R3 gui once it was open sourced. Wasn't going to mess w/it before that.
 
@HostileFork, and synchroneous communication is another obstale that we need to overcome before mitigating our software to Rebol 3.
 
@ShixinZeng I assume you saw the atronix recode video (and the Dr. Rebmu video :-P)
@ShixinZeng migrate vs mitigate, FYI.
 
4:38 PM
@HostileFork, oops, yes, I meant migrating
@HostileFork, I've seen David's video, but not Dr. Rebmu's
 
@ShixinZeng One of the Dr's proposals is in consideration, to allow expressions in the then/else clauses: github.com/rebol/rebol/pull/170/files
Seems like a good idea to me. :-)
 
5:32 PM
Yes, it sounds reasonable to me
I just implemented that /only refinement to wait, and sent out the pull request: github.com/rebol/rebol/pull/177
 
posted on November 13, 2013 by zsx

Such that it only checks events from the ports passed in as the argument. This could be used to ease sychroneous communication and used for implementing a pause when the port list is empty (in case of no GUI events).

 
 
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6:36 PM
hi, @ShixinZeng, welcome
We have got some improvements to the 64-bit interpreter code, we actually run it in Windows as well. The main difference is that we did not rearrange the structures knowing that it actually slows down the interpreter.
 
@Ladislav, Good to know that. I haven't found time to look into the structure rearrangement problem, unfortunately.
 
 
2 hours later…
8:31 PM
Moved the RebSite viewer to desktop.rebol.info and created a repository github.com/revault/desktop.rebol.info for the source (and added support for 'gradient backgrounds).
(Etienne's site is one such example containing a gradient)
 
 
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10:18 PM
Hi, it seems that I was disconnected from Rebol4 AltMe. Does it still work for somebody?
 

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