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4:00 PM
they break their caves
 
Xeo
huh
Did they also do the festival concert?
 
and yea, thats it
yea
 
Xeo
mh
 
the festiaval concert too
 
Xeo
They must've rushed things quite a bit
 
4:02 PM
yea
they did
 
sorry, my internet is a little troublesome these days
but it was really quite nice
@Xeo I know this might be odd, but how did it feel like on your first day on your first job?
 
Xeo
Hm... don't think I felt anything special, cept that I was a bit nervous before going in.
 
Yea, same here.
 
Xeo
and the first day was just some introductory stuff, getting familiar with the project, etc
 
4:04 PM
Hmm
On the first day, I got a project, straight off the bat :P
 
Xeo
Well, our projects are pretty large, so I just worked on one of the present ones
My first task was some refactoring
or rather, rewriting. porting a part of the application from 32bit to 64bit.
 
My first task was to make a gae site, that gets data from google docs
@Xeo Sounds complicated. When did you first get your job? If you don't mind me asking.
 
Xeo
at the start of this year
 
Hmm. I started this year.
So, are you done with uni?
 
Xeo
Never went
2
 
4:11 PM
Good boy ^
 
@Xeo there is something to port ? ;p
 
@Xeo You have just become even more awesome than you already were in my book. :)
 
Xeo
Not that my grades were all that good anyways.
 
lol "grades"
 
Xeo
Yeah, my employer didn't care for them either.
 
4:15 PM
@Xeo It turns out that nobody cares for your "grades" except your mum.
 
Xeo
@Jefffrey Eh, from what I've heard here, many many employers care way too much about grades.
 
I think I mention one grade in my CV, because it was something I accomplished that I feel proud of.
 
Xeo
ahaha, dat title
 
@Xeo My employer told me to make a python app. Did just that, and bam, employed. But on the first day of the job, bam! Make an app :P
 
sometimes I love just casually reading the standard, TIL;
struct Obj {
  template<typename T> Obj (T,T) {}
};

int
main (int argc, char *argv[])
{
  Obj obj_potential_leak (std::unique_ptr<int> (new int), std::unique_ptr<int> (new int));
  Obj obj_no_leak        {std::unique_ptr<int> (new int), std::unique_ptr<int> (new int)};
}
 
4:17 PM
@Xeo What's here? The lounge or where you live?
 
Xeo
@Jefffrey lounge
 
I've heard the exact opposite :/
 
Hey, I live in the Lounge too you guys ...
 
Xeo
@refp tl;dr: braced-init-lists evaluate left-to-right.
 
Meh, make_unique.
 
4:18 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes c++1y, but sure
 
@refp Fuck that, no.
Just write it yourself. Stop being a lazy ass.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes it was just a bloody example, calm your horses!
 
It's the thought that counts.
 
@Xeo sure, that's another way to put it.. still wasn't aware of this fact though
 
@David I think you cannot implement optional<bool> in one byte in a way that works on all theoretical implementations if you want to provide T& operator*();. A pathological implementation could assume all available bit patterns represent one of true and false, and every time you write x = true; randomly pick one of the true patterns. That leaves you no stable pattern to represent your additional "none" state. Since you need to provide a reference to the object with operator*, you need to have a bool there somewhere. Note that vector<bool> works around this with those dreaded proxies. — R. Martinho Fernandes 6 mins ago
Hell++ is scary.
 
Xeo
4:19 PM
hehe
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Whats the difference between Hell++ and C++?
 
Hell++ is a hypothetical strictly conformant implementation of C++.
 
Not to be confused with haskhell
4
 
Wherever the language spec gives leeway to the implementation, Hell++ picks the most ridiculous, harmful, and long-winded way of doing it.
It's a reasoning tool to discuss what you can assume and what you can't assume in C++.
Sometimes I see it as a Rube Goldberg implementation of C++.
 
@TemplateRex Me loves you Mr. TRex :P Just dont eat me.
 
user1804599
4:26 PM
All C++ implementations are already Rube Goldberg implementations.
 
@Jefffrey what if you want to pursue a masters?
 
@A.H. I've heard that that is an awful life's choice (except if you want to waste years of your life).
 
its education , it could be non terrible
 
@Jefffrey You never heard the opposite?
 
Nope.
 
Xeo
4:29 PM
That collab between Veritasium and MinutePhysics was nice
 
Now I'm really hellbent on getting this optional<bool> in one byte to work.
 
Xeo
Can you employ a quantum byte? :P
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes bitfields !
 
You can't get three different values from one.
@A.H. Can't take mutable references to bitfields. (Think of bool& operator*())
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes My job experience is zero and, what I say I've heard, are just 2-3 opinions of people online who could be 12 years old kid AFAIK.
 
4:31 PM
I can do it for a particular implementation, but I want to do it for all that aren't completely insane as I described above.
 
Xeo
inb4 bit_reference operator*()
 
user1804599
std::optional<std::optional<std::optional<bool>>>
 
@Xeo Nope.
@not-rightfold That's the next step. If I can do the first one, the others are like dominoes.
 
Xeo
up to 7 recursive optional<bool>s?
 
If I manage to do what I want, I can get 254.
 
4:34 PM
That should be enough for anyone ;-)
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes ah, right
 
I can store the true and false patterns statically, and derived a new one from there.
 
I hope it was clear that this answer is somewhat joking. I've updated the answer with a simple standard solution: http://ideone.com/HMsaVlsehe 39 secs ago
 
Then pick the free pattern(s) from there, and use union { char c; bool b; } for storage, always testing c first for my "empty" pattern(s), taking advantage of the aliasing exception for chars.
 
@GamesBrainiac Yep, I liked it.
 
4:36 PM
That's a lot of runtime tests, but will do for a start.
 
Xeo
loop through 2^CHAR_BIT patterns, check which don't compare equal to true or false?
 
@Xeo Just pick the first free one.
 
Xeo
mh
and start the next loop from there, eh
 
user1804599
omg omg omg less than 60 days left
 
4:37 PM
Hmm, wait. Can't make it standard layout.
So no optional<bool>& operator*(). Plan is ruined.
 
user1804599
Only 9.601598e+49 Planck times.
 
Yeah, T& operator*() makes the whole thing a no go.
@not-rightfold Less than two weeks!
 
user1804599
@R.MartinhoFernandes no :(
 
user1804599
Base ten.
 
user1804599
4:39 PM
Oh wait.
 
user1804599
-1 not enough PONIES.
 
> WebGL
Cool.
 
@not-rightfold NOPIES. +1.
 
Welcome pinned message, anybody?
 
user1804599
4:44 PM
@Jefffrey Reat ehf ucking rools you idiot. Also no questions.
 
@JerryCoffin I've always wanted to know, what was your first job like?
 
user1804599
Welcome to the wonderful world of Lounge<C++>. Here are some rules. If you want to ask a question, go ahead.
15
 
user1804599
Am I doing it right?
 
user1804599
Hmm nachos.
 
@GamesBrainiac You mean my first programming job, or the first job I ever had, or what?
 
4:47 PM
@JerryCoffin first programming job
 
user1804599
inb4 Java
 
@StackedCrooked Yea, it was a little bittersweet. I'm a KamiXHaqua guy, wbu?
 
Xeo
Haqua is best
 
@not-rightfold Dammit, I want nachos now
 
user1804599
@GamesBrainiac Good.
 
4:48 PM
@Xeo She's so goddam cute :P
 
@GamesBrainiac I guess the first time it was done as a job was in the Air Force, doing database stuff to track maintenance.
 
@not-rightfold Hows the life of a php developer treating you?
 
@not-rightfold You have my star.
 
user1804599
@GamesBrainiac I’ve been doing almost only JavaScript today, so quite good.
 
@JerryCoffin What was it like? The first day I mean, were you nervous? Did something funny happen?
@not-rightfold nodejs or clientside js?
 
user1804599
4:49 PM
And I installed Emmet, to make HTML a little pleasanter.
 
user1804599
@GamesBrainiac client-side.
 
user1804599
I wrote a marquee.
 
@GamesBrainiac I was too young and arrogant to be nervous. Offhand, I don't remember anything in particular about the first day.
 
user1804599
Rest was only HTML and CSS.
 
@not-rightfold Yea I use Emmet a lot div.container[Tab] :P
 
user1804599
4:50 PM
@GamesBrainiac div is redundant.
 
user1804599
. and # default to div.
 
@not-rightfold div.container is probably the most overused tag description on the planet :P
 
user1804599
.col-lg-12
 
@not-rightfold You do realize Java wasn't invented until 1995, right? I'd been programming for quite a while by then...
 
@not-rightfold You might consider using haml. You can use variables, so it makes like a little easier.
 
4:51 PM
I did make -j 4 to build libzip and my console's frozen. I have no idea if it's doing anything significant in the background, or if shit went wrong somehow. :|
 
user1804599
@JerryCoffin I know. I was kidding.
 
user1804599
@GamesBrainiac I know Haml and I fucking love Haml, but it's simply something we're not using right now.
 
@JerryCoffin Hmm. Too young and arrogant eh? You sound like an old man now jerry :P
 
user1804599
Also TAHNK GOD next project will be in Python 3.
 
Xeo
hint: he is
 
user1804599
4:52 PM
NO MORE PHP
 
:)
 
@not-rightfold You're welcome. :-)
5
 
@Xeo He's young at heart
 
@Xeo How's that for (claiming to be) old?
 
@not-rightfold s/go ahead/go away/
 
user1804599
4:53 PM
Djangomg
 
@not-rightfold Python 3? Using Pyramid or sth?
 
when computing meant punch cards
 
@GamesBrainiac You mean he had a transplant?
 
user1804599
@GamesBrainiac Most likely Django.
 
@Abyx Did you bother checking where his link led to?
 
Xeo
4:53 PM
@TemplateRex That's not really old. My mother worked in a place that had giant magnetic plates and punchcards back then
 
@JerryCoffin yeah, I did, but noobs won't
 
@not-rightfold Wait till 1.7 for Python 3 to fully get working if you want to use Django, by then django will also have a built in migration tool :)
@R.MartinhoFernandes Nah, I just think he never got old inside :P
 
@Abyx They don't have to -- they just need to click it.
 
user1804599
@GamesBrainiac Hmm, really? How long does that take?
 
user1804599
I can’t just “wait.” This project has a deadline. :P
 
4:54 PM
@Xeo when bug squashing meant exactly that...
 
user1804599
Currently I always use South with Django and it works pretty well.
 
@not-rightfold When, do you have to start?
 
user1804599
@GamesBrainiac In about a month.
 
@not-rightfold Yikes, then if you're gna use django, then use 2 and 1.5. The reason being is that 1.6 really does not do much for Python 3 (atleast thats what the django devs tell me). You can still use it, and if you're not doing anything fancy, I doubt you'll hit any bugs.
But if you have to use Python 3, then use Pyramid.
Its really quite good
 
user1804599
@GamesBrainiac Hmm. We’ll see.
 
4:58 PM
Fuck.
I'm running out of microUSB cables. I need to be more careful.
3
 
Xeo
wtf did you do
 
user1804599
@R.MartinhoFernandes It’s alright; you can still communicate with us.
 
Xeo
You shouldn't chew on them, even if you're hungry.
 
user1804599
@GamesBrainiac Well, since one guy will be learning Python it would be nice to use Python 3. Though if Django has many bugs on Python 3 then it will be a no-go.
 
@Xeo Something creative
 
5:00 PM
@Xeo Spun in my chair.
 
Xeo
...
 
Robot, are you using those to pleasure yourself? ;)
 
user1804599
@GamesBrainiac Have you ever deployed a Django application? I wonder how you’d do that; especially with Nginx.
 
@not-rightfold I personally like 3 a lot more. Like super actually behaves like a super constructor, and Type annotations make life a lot easier. Well, I think the most problems you'll have are with __unicode__ and __str__, most of the docs use __unicode__ for representation, but for Python 3 for example, you're going to have to use __str__. Now these are a few of the gotchas.
@not-rightfold Yes, just use gunicorn. It will save your life.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I have a bunch of those...but each one only seems to want to work with the device it came with
 
5:03 PM
@not-rightfold gunicorn.org
 
user1804599
@GamesBrainiac Yeah, I always use __str__ in Django with Python 3. :P
 
@melak47 I have a bunch one left and they all seem to mix fine with each other.
 
what do you need them for anyway :D
 
@GamesBrainiac Poor Chihiro :)
 
user1804599
@GamesBrainiac Hmm, thanks. I’ve heard of that before. :)
 
5:05 PM
@melak47 Charging stuff mostly. Phone, headphones, camera. RPi.
 
@Xeo Apparently the robot doesn't know how to control his strength.
 
Xeo
@StackedCrooked Yeah, Chihiro got the short end of the stick.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes your RPi has a battery? :o
 
user1804599
I’ll try to deploy a simple Django application on my VPS.
 
user1804599
The poll. :P
 
5:05 PM
@melak47 No, but it needs power.
 
Also if you want to use pypy to make things super fast, ur gna have to use python 2 :(
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes The input power charges capacitors, which are what actually supply power to the device itself. :-)
 
Oh God. This shit failed because there's a space in one of my folder names >:|
 
@not-rightfold I know you're a vim guy, but you might want to try out Pycharm 3, it has killer support for django.
 
@MohammadAliBaydoun Amazing how many developers have never really made it past MS-DOS limitations (even ones who are too you to have ever actually used MS-DOS in the first place).
 
5:12 PM
@MohammadAliBaydoun Yea, I know how that feels. You need to install a special python package to support spaces in file names for windows.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Jury's out. Didn't really have time to give it a full go. My problem is that SEing on the go just isn't in my workflow.
 
@GamesBrainiac lolwut
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes no joke
 
Ell
Hmm. I think I'm about to learn some C
 
D:
 
5:16 PM
@Ell Stop it Ell! Stop having suicidal thoughts. Snap out of it bro, snap out of it :P
 
@Ell Remember programmer that you are dust, and unto dust you are returning.
 
@JerryCoffin I worked around it by moving the entire folder to another location and re-making :P
 
0
Q: How do I make a game

PotatoI want to make a fun game with multiplayer and levels and upgrades and stuff. What should I do? It must be free. Also I want it to be done in 3 days. I don't know how to make my game. I want there to be at least 50 people playing at the same time and they can fight each other and buy weapons fo...

^which one of you guys did this?
 
@melak47 You.
 
@MohammadAliBaydoun Sounds like Windows 8 "apps" -- taking a multi-GHz, 8-core processor with a GPU that has hundreds of cores, all being displayed on a nice, big screen, then using it to do their best to emulate a Commodore VIC 20!
 
Ell
5:20 PM
maybe not. Developing gnome stuff seems messy :/
Please add the files
  codeset.m4 gettext.m4 glibc21.m4 iconv.m4 isc-posix.m4 lcmessage.m4
  progtest.m4
from the /usr/local/share/aclocal directory to your autoconf macro directory
or directly to your aclocal.m4 file.
Ugh. :(
 
We're trying to make a super cheap POS units using windows tablets.
I think the idea is bonkers though.
 
@GamesBrainiac Depends on whether you want the POS system to be a complete POS or not, I guess.
 
@JerryCoffin Hmmmm. Well, I just hope the project is interesting.
 
I've seen a fair number of POS systems based around iPads though, and a Windows tablet can't be any worse than that.
 
This is pure code poetry -> ( Quite literally too ) -> f.cl.ly/items/2v3R3Q0u2s0D0i0Y3U2d/thera_py.png
@JerryCoffin Yea, I don't find them impressive myself to be honest. I dunno, lets see what happens. We did consider android, but it dsnt have the kind of peripheral support we wanted.
 
5:30 PM
FUCKING WINDOWS SERVER
Sure, don't boot in rescue, not like I can't change the fucking networking settings in any goddamn way
 
user1804599
@GamesBrainiac do you put your project in the folder you virtualenved or in a subfolder?
 
wait... HELLO.
 
user1804599
> Na het bestuderen van uw profiel werd ik gelijk enthousiast! Dit vanwege het feit dat ik als recruiter zijnde een uitdagende functie kan aanbieden als .Net Professional (vaste functie met uitzicht op vast dienstverband) bij mijn 2 verschillende opdrachtgevers beide toevallig gevestigd uit omgeving Breda!
 
user1804599
LinkedIn is so funny.
 
user1804599
I used .NET like, three times in my life.
 
5:39 PM
how come the c++ lounge always has people in it but not the c lounge?
 
@Hunter what is c?
 
What is C++?
 
user1804599
@Hunter Because both C and C++ are bad, but C++ is slightly less bad.
 
@CatPlusPlus it's the language I write in.
 
That's because you're crazy
 
5:40 PM
not really, it's because I have no choice.
 
c++ is kinda like a prostitute, if you're into that sort of thing t's a great source of pleasure.. until you get aids and your world collapses.
 
@Hunter Because C was deprecated by C++
 
@Borgleader the language or the chatroom lol
 
Lounge<C++> is more crowded than Lounge(C) because the c-programmers are busy searching for the sources of their memory leaks.
jokes aside; C++ programmers aren't as cool as their C equivalent.
 
they're hot?
 
5:43 PM
@Hunter Both
 
I like saying "jokes aside" and then continue with another joke. done properly it confuses the fcuk out of people that doesn't know you (in "real" life)
sometimes I question whether most people in Lounge<C++> have me on ignore, moments later I realize that I'm just not that interesting.
 
inb4 another stupid message
 
vaginas.
 
user1804599
penises.
 
5:49 PM
what.
 
@Hunter you see, we have many people here, but not so much of good content ^
 
noted
 
user1804599
Oh God finally fixed that broken version of AWK.
 
"on friday you will be picked up by car at 07:30am by the <brand (censor)> office, from there you will be driven to location".. you gotta be fcuking kidding me
that office is on the other side of town ...
@Abyx I'm about quality, not quantity (and with that I mean that when I discuss something serious, it's serious.. when I'm not.. it's bullcrap in a jar of vaginas).
 
@not-rightfold Look at it from the bright side: maybe it's from a recruiter intelligent enough to realize that prior experience with .NET isn't particularly important to getting a job that happens to involve using .NET.
@refp Especially fun if the final location happens to be like, 100 meters from where you started...
 
5:56 PM
@JerryCoffin mhm. don't know why they just don't send a cab to pick me up where I'm staying and then drive me to location. why do I have to go all the way to their office?
though I know that if I ask my booker about it he will reply with "just do what they ask you to do, you get payed, this is your job".
 
@refp Picking you up would require actual planning.
 
@refp in the butt
 
@JerryCoffin most cab companies could give an estimate of how long a ride is going to be, ie. instead of booking a cab at ??:??am book one that will go from A and arrive at B at ??:??
@Borgleader finally. thank you
 
Getting picked up isn't always that great though. Years ago for a company Christmas party, we were supposed to get picked up in limos and taken to the party. Limo company only reserved one limo though, so it took a couple hours to pick everybody up. By the time I arrived, the people who'd shown up first were already so drunk half of them could barely even walk.
 
@JerryCoffin in the fashion industry they should prefer picking the talent up, the risk of me running late greatly increase if I have to travel to a certain place "manually" (I'm not paying for a cab to get there which they probably understand, public transport all the way)
not that I run late that often.. but still
 
6:06 PM
@refp That's probably a lot more about Europe vs. US than being particular to fashion. Except in a few of the largest cities, nobody can reasonably expect people to take public transportation in the US, because in most places it either doesn't exist, or is so limited it might as well not (e.g., a ~11 km walk from my house to nearest bus station).
 
Ell
@JerryCoffin 11km!? that sucks:/
My nearest is 100 metres or so
 
@JerryCoffin could be. the only experience I have with modeling in the US is NYC, and I guess that's not a real good representation of the US as a whole
 
Ell
You're a model? o.O
 
Yes, he is.
 
@refp No -- NYC does have pretty decent public transportation.
 
6:08 PM
@Ell mine (a subway station) is about.. 15 meters from the building where I live
 
Ell
explains the photo :3
 
@JerryCoffin yeah, it's alright
@Ell my daily reminder; please change your nick (or avatar)
now; smoke break.
 
Ell
@refp No :P
 
@Ell Like I said, for any practical purpose (for me) it might as well not exist at all.
 
Ell
@refp Daily reminder, please stop smoking.
 
6:11 PM
@Ell if you change your nick I will pretend to consider it.
gone.
back.
 
Ell
I'm not going to change my nick or avatar in the foreseeable future btw :3
So don't bother asking :P
 
user1804599
colorful is a nice colour scheme.
 
user1804599
I like it.
 
gj 4chan
 
skeptical Andrei
 
Ell
6:25 PM
lololol
 
@Borgleader "which is uses"?
 
@TemplateRex I recall seeing that during GoingNative's last day while one of the professionals at the panel was speaking :D
 
@MohammadAliBaydoun indeed, it was quite the pantomine
and Sean Parent was also impressive in his surprise look
 
@Borgleader All I have to say is "Wow!"
 
@Borgleader Bahahaha, awesome awesome awesome.
 
6:37 PM
In a race between idiot-proofing and idiots Apple fanbois, idiot-proofing loses.
5
 
user1804599
How do I do a multiline import in Python? This gives syntax error:
 
user1804599
from django.contrib.auth.models import AbstractBaseUser,
                                       BaseUserManager,
                                       PermissionsMixin
 
As engineers try to idiot proof gadgets, the world just keeps making better idiots.
11
 
user1804599
I could use a backslash but beh.
 
@not-rightfold This isn't the Python room =p
 
6:39 PM
I idiot-proofed my application so it restores certain files when a user deletes and yet my friend still managed to fail: He thought the widths and heights in the config file were to be used in the editor when creating a map :V
 
Xeo
@not-rightfold, since you also worked with Parsec before, how can I make a parser not consume input on a failed match?
 
user1804599
@Xeo try myParser
 
Xeo
That doesn't consume input in any case, no?
 
user1804599
Note that this isn't the exception-related try. It's from Parsec.
 
user1804599
@Xeo It does unless the parser fails.
 
Xeo
6:49 PM
@not-rightfold Huh
I did try try before
 
user1804599
RTFM :P
 
Xeo
p_space = many1 $ try $ char ' ' (yes, only actual space character allowed there)
still consumes the letter after it :/
oh wait
nvm me
Of course the letter is consumed and not returned when the next parser is letter >> ... >_>
 
Ell
What is your favourite drinking game guise?
 
Not drinking.
 
user1804599
@Xeo IME, you don't need try if your parser always consumes only a single character.
 
6:53 PM
(Yeah I know I'm boring as fuck)
 
Xeo
not drinking just for the sake of it
@not-rightfold hm... right
Makes sense
since only multi-character parser can actually consume stuff before failing
 
Ell
@Xeo It's not for the sake of it, it's to loosen people up, make them more comfortable
 
user1804599
@Xeo Yes. :P
 
Ell
@Borgleader have you tried it? :D
 
Xeo
@Ell Meh, that still counts as "for the sake of it" IMO. I only drink alcoholic stuff for the taste.
 
Ell
6:55 PM
@Xeo Fair enough
I'm not mature enough for that xD
I drink cider for the taste actually
but I don't like the taste of many other things. I don't like beer, or dry wine (I can drink sweet cheap stuff)
 
Xeo
I mainly like cocktails with rum.
 
Ell
I do like pina colladas though :P
 
Xeo
like Mojito, Cuba Libre, Cai Pirinha
@Ell Yeah, that's also nice.
 
Ell
@not-rightfold hows lounge chat going?
 
user1804599
@Ell I have on idea.
 
6:57 PM
@Ell Most beers I tried tasted like crap. I don't mind some other types of drinks though.
 
Xeo
@not-rightfold Doesn't many1 count as a multi-character parser, though?
 
(those with hard liquor in them)
 
Ell
@Borgleader Have you ever been tipsy/drunk/unconscious ?
 
user1804599
@Xeo Yes, but you don't try that. You try (char ' ').
 
I'm soo bloody bored..
 
Xeo
6:58 PM
yeah, but I was thinking if I try'd that, it would leave all the space intact, since it has to fail at some point. Hm
 
@Ell yes/not really/no, i had trouble walking once.
 
Ell
Didn't you enjoy the feeling? :D
 
I even implemented except_safe_array<T, N> that behaves like std::array but makes sure that all the destructors of all elements gets called even if one of them throws
that's how bored I am. it's not like I have a need for it
 
@Ell I felt like I was on a boat in the middle of storm, I had no fucking balance. So no, I didn't.
 
Xeo
@refp that's except_unsafe_array, really.
 

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