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10:00 PM
Oh, the C language is dead, and he means Cobol?
 
I have a C course this semester
 
well its not about C but will most likely use it extensively
 
I think everybody should know C.
 
> Your code is unique and beautiful snowflake
 
10:02 PM
Is he trying to get girls?
 
user1804599
@FredOverflow not required for purity.
 
Does constexpr imply noexcept?
 
@FredOverflow well yeah , I just don't want to use it :P
 
Your Code Is Shit
 
Xeo
@FredOverflow no
 
10:03 PM
So what happens if an exception is thrown at compile time? :)
 
Xeo
It can conditionally throw
 
That's a room name idea right there
 
Xeo
@FredOverflow if it throws an exception on the chosen code path, it can't be called at compile time
 
Yay, go o7
 
why not allow exceptions at compile time ?
 
Xeo
10:04 PM
err
 
user1804599
> With a bachelor’s degree, you gain a specialty
 
user1804599
I don't like this sentence.
 
you start on a path to a specialty better?
 
@A.H. There's some metawankerish library having compile time exceptions... -.-"
 
tmux > screen
 
Xeo
10:05 PM
VIM powa!
 
"you can do that, but you are wrong" :D
 
> If you choose to use emacs, you're wrong.
 
@not-rightfold you'll be thrilled to see chandler using vim and zsh
 
+1
 
How would you throw an exception at compile time?
 
user1804599
10:06 PM
@sehe what is chandler?
 
Carruth or sumtin. He's live now
 
user1804599
@Pawnguy7 throw exception;
 
namespace this::will::probably::break::the::limit
 
user1804599
@sehe Why would I want to see him use Vim and Z shell?
 
user1804599
oohh he uses Vim and Z shell awesome!!!!!!!
 
10:07 PM
Because you like both :/
Why would I want to see you act dense?
@not-rightfold Thank you. You fulfilled my expectation. I'm happier
 
user1804599
Vim's regexen suck.
 
user1804599
Gimme PCRE.
 
He had 14/88!!!!!!11111
 
@kisplit "Error: attempt to use this outside class."
 
Fuck PCRE.
Gimme NFA-based regexes.
Also vim 7.4 is out.
Didn't notice.
 
user1804599
10:09 PM
PCRE or GTFO.
 
PCRE yourself.
 
am I the only one thinking , whats wrong with astyle ?
 
It's bit primitive.
 
user1804599
The guy uses two-space indentation.
 
Can't reformat everything.
 
user1804599
10:09 PM
He sucks at formatting.
 
Xeo
two-spaces, yay~
 
I think it can handle what he is doing
 
Probably because parsing C++ is hell and they cut corners.
 
user1804599
This isn't Ruby.
 
Fuck two spaces in Ruby.
This shit is hardcoded somewhere in vim-ruby and it is SO ANNOYING.
 
10:10 PM
@LokiAstari I find it funny that he insist that Vim is Good(TM) but doesn't seem to... use motions, word completion etc.
@not-rightfold Yep
 
user1804599
@CatPlusPlus Same in Elixir plug-in.
 
user1804599
I forked in on GitHub, fixed it and now I use my own fork as a submodule.
 
mm I thought clang was pronounced C-lang
 
Eh, now I remember why I had 64-bit Python.
Everything fucked up. I hate developing on Windows.
 
Holy shit. I didn't know that C++ had override like C#.
 
10:18 PM
It's new.
 
Xeo
@A.H. Nope, like the bell-sound "klang"
 
I think.
Yes, new.
 
Xeo
ya, C++11
 
Dammit cppreference, list the language version on the stupid page.
 
@CatPlusPlus thankfully I recently sanitized my house of microsoft
 
10:21 PM
I've started offloading server daemons onto a VM.
 
this modernizing thing is nice
 
Xeo
std::accumulate :s
 
@Xeo Sean is probably about to start raging about people not listening to him :D
 
Sean Parent would like to have a word with Chandler.
 
Xeo
haha
 
10:24 PM
@Griwes lol
 
user1804599
I wonder if it works with "people". :P
 
@Griwes Precisely.
Hah. He calls it!
 
Nah, he's just about the value + move arguments.
But if there was a tool replacing loop like that with accumulate... :D
 
Ugh, automated refactoring of C++.
shudder
 
@Griwes I don't get why thats better
 
10:29 PM
@A.H. Possibly one copy less than const ref version.
 
My Twitter is suddenly about C++.
 
(When called with, say, const char * argument, resulting in a temporary.)
 
Xeo
When called with a temporary, specifically (which a char const* argument will create)
 
ah but if an actual basic_string same cost?
 
user1804599
Just copy it.
 
10:31 PM
Yes, it's one copy for both versions when a string is passed.
 
Ugh PayPal suddenly autocompleting login page with sandbox email.
PayPal is not very good at computers.
 
@CatPlusPlus unexpected
 
@CatPlusPlus paypal not very good
 
There's a conspicious lack of bees in this room. An influx of bees will solve that!
 
Xeo
10:36 PM
inb4 -fsanitize
 
 
Aw yeah 7MB/s.
Steam network all mine.
 
user1804599
-fdelete-on-error
 
-fdelete
Also missed opportunity: -fuck-errors
 
@Xeo finally :/
> canary-mode
 
user1804599
10:45 PM
@CatPlusPlus sounds like PHP.
 
That's not asan code. It's satan code
 
user1804599
asian code.
 
> ASAN_OPTIONS="detect_leaks=1" is evil
 
user1804599
Man.
 
user1804599
This reminds me of how fucking annoying it is to debug code when looking at call stacks where functions are triggered by events.
 
Xeo
10:53 PM
ugh, event debugging
The horror
 
user1804599
jQuery :((((((((((((((((
 
> --sanitize=address-full
^ yeah right, add more evil
 
Xeo
What's with you and the evil?
 
user1804599
I like how all of his demos involve non-modern C++ code.
 
Xeo
Yeah, and that kind of code is of the majority out there.
 
Ell
10:59 PM
I wonder if a large breaking change could fracture c++ in half into "modern" and "legacy"
And then the modern one gets a load of other breaking changes
or a redesign
 
user1804599
It already exists.
 
user1804599
It's called D.
 
It's called "not C++"
 
user1804599
Or C#.
 
lol
x2
 
11:00 PM
i hate it, that i can’t use the sanitizer on windows anymore because clang forwards the arguments to gcc which doesn’t like them and wont assemble/link
 
Eh?
-integrated-as anyone?
 
user1804599
Go has deadlock and race detector. It's quite neat.
 
user1804599
A deadlock terminates the program.
 
> Questions about that crazy bug? Just sadness?
@Darklighter split compilation and link phases?
 
11:07 PM
@sehe yeah, do that in cmake for me…
 
I beg your pardon? I did not create your "problems". No need to be rough
 
user1804599
Don't use CMake.
 
sry, it wasnt meant to be rough
 
:) Ok then.
 
user1804599
Every time I download something that requires CMake to build, a pegasus dies.
 
Ell
11:08 PM
CMake is so pretty!
 
it is just extra stuff to do, just to use a flag
 
Ell
(Output, not source, source is ugly as hell)
 
they changed that, it used to work
 
At the risk of starting a flamewar, Q to all: what's your preferred build tool these days?
I've yet to find one that's satisfactory
 
user1804599
go install, Mix and Waf.
 
11:10 PM
Cmake
 
i hate cmake, but its better than maintaining autotools…
 
I used to like CMake, until I found it had a fundamental problem with dependencies on generated headers :/
 
it has all weirdness with lists and strings doing different stuff
 
Generated by whom?
 
Ell
I still have no favourite,I find them all pretty dire
But I use cmake for the pretty coloured output
 
11:12 PM
@TemplateRex generated by custom commands within the same build system
 
Ah. The Marshmallow
 
WHAT IS THIS
WHAT IS THIS?
 
You can filter dependencies pretty easily
 
binaryonwindows?
 
@not-rightfold is go install go-specific, or general purpose?
 
user1804599
11:14 PM
Go-specific.
 
lol, one minute C++ rant starting @ 39 minutes in.
 
@not-rightfold and Mix? (Waf I know of, but have yet to use)
 
user1804599
@je4d Elixir-specific.
 
@je4d string regex replace does it
 
@TemplateRex does what?
 
11:16 PM
Add remove deps
 
woot, clang working in vs, with their libs?
 
Xeo
and Scott & Andrei got their binaries. :)
 
seems so
at least alpha
 
@Xeo :D
 
@Xeo lol
 
Xeo
11:18 PM
Chandler was actually kinda alluding to that on #llvm
> [21:01:48] <chandlerc> i'm sad folks missed the comment w/ scott, it's going to get better when i give my talk
 
@TemplateRex I'm not sure how that's related - the issue is with the #include scanner not being able to find headers before they're been generated
 
Wait, the question I wanted to ask Bjarne is gone? :(
 
Every single person at my university is nerdy. I love it.
> Templates! Templates! GAAAH!!!!
 
@chris That part is sooo funny :) I keep going back to that.
 
11:33 PM
@sehe btw, I may yet be at meetingcpp. Had to cancel my GN ticket :(
 
@EtiennedeMartel I don't think he invented it. But he put it in Algol and from there it caught on.
 
@je4d Why did you cancel?
 
Xeo
oooh, the type class question!
 
Oh, they are repeating the Bjarne questions.
Then I would not have had to repost the question :)
What did he ask?
 
@FredOverflow One too many transatlantic trips to fit in around work... had to drop either that or Chicago
 
11:38 PM
@sehe Half-serious. My experience with Android development is not the best. And the problem is not the Java.
Also, lol, found this:
Jun 12 '11 at 4:14, by Martinho Fernandes
@LucDanton Sorry, I'm not very well versed in this character sets/Unicode stuffs.
 
Xeo
haha
Well, you weren't a robot yet at that time.
 
Ooops, bad paste.
 
Xeo
I hope that was public
 
Yes, it was.
 
Did any of you post questions that were answered?
 
11:44 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes I found out I have to do one Android thing in university.
 
Xeo
noooooot gonna happen
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I think Carmack's experience is along those lines as well.
 
Xeo
"a tremendous amount of effort" - pfff! dynarray :|
 
lol
@Xeo aight, so i hope you got the message. If you want to see your proposal happen. Get. To. It. ;)
 
Xeo
Yeah. Time etc.
 
11:48 PM
@Xeo Hmmm?
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes "Ask us anything" panel
 
Oh, someone's dismissing an idea with that excuse?
 
What are these "study groups" he mentioned. Is it for reviewing language/library proposals?
 
@Borgleader For doing nothing. Or something like that.
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes No, it was just a comment that a "tremendous amount of effort goes into the standard", and I had to think of dynarray / VLAs
 
11:50 PM
Look at the ranges study group.
 
Xeo
Oh, I should ask about the range group :>
 
> I actually like iostreams.
:D
 
Xeo
> I actually like IOstreams. - B. Stroustrup
 
11:55 PM
Herb looks funny.
 
Xeo
What "erm"? The iostreams thing?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Thanks for clarifying. I'm not going to have to do front end stuff. But surly willhave to suffer packaging thrills and configuration conundrums. ..
 
Three ampersands, o.O
 
Xeo
f &&& g
 
Fuck. I get in, web access is shagged on my box, but works on TVserver downstairs. OK, my box is knackered, so reboot. Some piece of shit has changed my homepage to Yahoo. If there is the merest hint of any SO question being related to malware, I'm opening up with both barrels. Bastards.
 
Xeo
11:59 PM
Bjarne really doesn't seem to like rvalue refs outside of move ctors
 

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