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user4639281
6:49 PM
Anyways, we are going to do something about the list, just not sure what that is yet.
 
All the unclosed ?
 
user4639281
Yeah
 
user4639281
Well, not all of them.
 
user4639281
But we have to figure out what we want to remove and how we want to remove it.
 
What about fetching the ones recently active (say last month active), posting a few of them regularly over the course of several days/weeks/during events, and dumping the others?
Closey could most def help, by adding something like next 10 cv-pls
 
user4639281
7:18 PM
Anyways, I don't think that we need to repost the cv-pls requests.
 
user4639281
I think that list is a really good way to do it, for the reason Mogs has stated previously.
 
user4639281
Also, checking for activity would be rather intensive, and SE might not like us for it.
 
user4639281
However, I'm warming up to the idea of just removing requests past a certain date and moving them to an "Expired CV-pls graveyard"
 
user4639281
Then we just skip the bad requests every time we go through until they get removed due to date.
 
user4639281
That seems like the most effective and simple way to go about it.
 
Sam
7:34 PM
@TinyGiant On the contrary.
I managed to poll every active post (as they become active) on the network.
 
user4639281
Oh?
 
Sam
Without any issues.
 
user4639281
I could see polling the closed requests for review.
 
user4639281
Say we all close a question, it would be nice to know if that question was edited into shape then we could go back and vote to reopen.
 
Sam
Yeah
 
user4639281
7:36 PM
That would also look very good on us.
 
Sam
That could easily be done
So easy
 
user4639281
But I don't think it's necessary for unclosed requests.
 
Sam
Agreed
Perhaps the bot/script could post a "review-pls" req, so that everyone is able to check the post out again?
 
user4639281
We could have a command to post a list of those questions.
 
user4639281
Which we could do before events, or at a certain time daily.
 
user4639281
7:38 PM
I think doing it one at a time as they are edited would put us in the same boat that we were in with the cv-pls requests.
 
Sam
Or just monitor the questions real-time and post as and when they become active?
 
user4639281
Then we would have reopen requests scattered throughout the transcript and I would have to write a script to clean those up too.
 
Sam
Oh, right.
 
user4639281
But if we did a big list all at once, it would be the most effective.
 
user4639281
And often the first edit to a closed question doesn't make it reopen worthy.
 
user4639281
7:41 PM
It's the subsequent edits that do that.
 
Sam
Yeah
 
user4639281
So give a question a day to stew after it has been closed and if it has been edited then we can take a look at it again.
 
Sam
Sounds good.
 
user4639281
This would also make us look a lot better to the public.
 
Sam
Yep
But what if a question gets edited after the day?
 
user4639281
7:43 PM
Not only would we be actively closing questions, we would also be reassessing them after they were edited and possibly reopening then.
 
user4639281
@Sam That's fine, show it.
 
Sam
Right, just wanted to know if we were going to ditch all the other Qs that weren't edited during that time period.
Since we could end up with quite a big list.
Unless we apply some sort of max expiry date to the posts.
 
user4639281
If we closed a question a month ago and it was edited into shape yesterday, it still warrants review.
 
Sam
I know.
I'm just thinking how/where we're going to store this list.
 
user4639281
Yeah....
 
user4639281
7:55 PM
Could you scan the cv-pls graveyard and make a db?
 
user4639281
I don't know how that would work.
 
user4639281
It would be good if there we could move successfully reopened close vote requests to a different place.
 
user4639281
So you didn't have to check them again.
 
user4639281
And ignore posts that we've reviewed since their last edit.
 
Sam
@TinyGiant An actual DB, probably not (my DB skills suck).
A flat-db, csv, or whatever, sure.
 
user4639281
7:59 PM
Yeah, I hope we can do it without a db
 
Sam
\o/
 
user4639281
Like I said, moving successfully reopened questions out of the cv graveyard would make it a lot easier.
 
Sam
So make a "db" of reopened posts that are in the graveyard?
 
user4639281
Well, more treat the graveyard like a db
 
user4639281
Then we would need two more graveyards.
 
user4639281
8:04 PM
One for expired requests, and one for successfully reopened ones.
 
Sam
Awesome, we get to be gravediggers.
 
user4639281
But we would still need a way of storing the information on already reviewed requests that we don't think should be reopened.
 
Sam
This sounds like a job for a bot
 
user4639281
I thought that was what we were talking about.
 
Sam
Well
I thought there could be a small chance of this turning into a script
Anyway, I'll put together a small poc.
 
user4639281
8:06 PM
poc?
 
Sam
Proof of Concept.
 
user4639281
ok
 
Sam
Actually, I'll start now.
Got nothing better to do. :p
 
user4639281
Sounds like a plan. See what we can put together then bring it to the rest of the RO's
 
Sam
Yeah
Let's do this.
 
user4639281
8:12 PM
79 messages moved from The Ministry of Silly Hats
 
Sam
That's where I'll dump all the code.
For now, anyway.
 
user4639281
I've invited the RO's
 
Sam
Ok.
 
user4639281
Not GraveDigger?
 
Sam
I thought about it, but doesn't that actually mean "to dig graves for new dead bodies", not to "dig up already dug graves."
I can always rename it...
 
user4639281
8:21 PM
GraveRobber?
 
Sam
Nice
 
user4639281
Or ExhumationBot?
 
Sam
Done
Erm
Dunno about that one.
 
user4639281
Lol
 
user4639281
GraveRobber works for now.
 
Sam
8:25 PM
> A .NET PoC program for fetching data from the SOCVR graveyards.
 
user4639281
Just a note, nothing gets run in the main room without the rest of the RO's consent.
 
Sam
Yeah, ik.
And rene wins first place for getting here before the others.
 
I just click any link presented to me in places I trust
 
user4639281
Lol
 
Sam
8:44 PM
And second place goes to Mogs.
 
Heard that before.
@TinyGiant The voting dead?
Zombie A_post_alypse?
 
user4639281
Well, the dead aren't really the ones who would be voting.
 
user4639281
And if they are being edited, they aren't really zombies
 
Once again, fun extinguished.
Welcome to SO.
8(
 
user4639281
lol
 
8:55 PM
Plop! Not available right now
 
user4639281
Good to know
 
(See main room..)
 
user4639281
@Sam maybe we could start off by polling the most recent requests in the graveyard with new edits and posting those in a list here, just to see an example of what we would be dealing with?
 
Sam
Sure
 
9:08 PM
I was hoping that google search could give us the ability to constrain the search for cv-pls by date. Sounded like yes, according to meta, but no.
 
user4639281
Yeah, I think google might have a tough time with that.
 
@Mogsdad we could script that I think
 
user4639281
I'm thinking that the best (easiest) way is going to be to move anything past a certain date to an expired room
 
A script would be more effective than the built-in.
 
user4639281
But, I may be wrong on that.
 
Sam
9:40 PM
Eh
Screw using proper DOM parsers.
I'm gonna use regex.
 
Sam
10:19 PM
@Yam fetch data
 
Yam
Fetching data, one moment...
 
Sam
@Yam die
 
Yam
Bye.
 
@Sam \o/
 
Sam
\o/
@Yam fetch data
 
Yam
10:24 PM
Fetching data, one moment...
 
Sam
@Yam fetch data
 
Yam
Fetching data, one moment...
 
Sam
So for this small test, I'm only fetching the first 50 messages from the graveyard.
Just to see if/how everything works.
Actually, I'll put it in a gist
Here's the gist.
Just in time
Lol
 
user4639281
10:53 PM
... why don't you query the events?
 
user4639281
Or are you talking about polling for activity?
 
Sam
Currently, the program just poll's the post's rev history.
That's all.
 
user4639281
Ok, but what are you using the regex for?
 
Sam
Parsing the rev elements.
Etc.
 
user4639281
Ok
 
user4639281
10:55 PM
And you're checking to see if it was edited after it was closed?
 
Sam
Ah...
derp
It was only checking if it had been edited, at any time.
 
user4639281
Also, you could see how many times it was edited after being closed.
 
Sam
Sure
Lemme change that and re-run it.
 
user4639281
Then we could see something like:
 
Sam
@Yam die
 
Yam
10:57 PM
Bye.
 
user4639281
[Title](link): closed/open edited x time(s) after closure
 
Sam
Ok
And btw, the max number of messages I can fetch from the room is 500. Anything more than that and I'll have to look into other hacky ways to get more messages.
 
user4639281
I solved that in my userscript
 
user4639281
I can show you the logic if it would help you.
 
Sam
Sure, but I can't see how we'd want to post that many reqs in the room
And also, md won't work for multiline messages, so...
 
user4639281
10:59 PM
Yeah, no I guess we don't need that.
 
user4639281
Yeah....
 
user4639281
But you could still post singular messages just all at once.
 
Sam
So we'll either just have to post the raw url, or post individual messages.
 
user4639281
Except you have to wait between messages.
 
Sam
Yeah
This is why I suggested something other than batch post checking.
 
user4639281
11:01 PM
Title / (closed || open) / edited x time(s) / link
 
Sam
Okie dokie
So how many messages do we want to check?
 
user4639281
Say 50 again. Just for fun.
 
Sam
k
 
user4639281
And we only want to see messages for posts that have been edited
 
Sam
Right
Well I'll continue on that tomorrow.
 
user4639281
11:05 PM
Anyways, if you need the logic in the future for checking back in the logs:
 
user4639281
var getEvents = (function() {
    var events = [];
    return function get(count, callback, before) {
        if (count <= 0) return callback(events), false;
        var data = {
            fkey: fkey,
            msgCount: count > 500 ? 500 : count,
            mode: 'Messages',
        };
        if (before) data.before = before;
        $.ajax({
            type: 'POST',
            url: '/chats/' + room + '/events',
            data: data,
            success: function(response) {
                events.push(response.events);
 
Sam
Thanks
 
user4639281
np
 
Sam
Gonna sign off for the night
Cya later
 
user4639281
K, sounds good. We'll talk more tomorrow.
 
Sam
11:08 PM
Sure, see ya then.
 

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