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12:00 AM
I've used it several times where I just fumbled, which I do not like to do. So I decided to get a proper handle on it. I've often seen long regexes and told my boss to give it to someone else to fix as my time was probably wasted on it. But no more of that! :)
 
I was thinking about having a go at studying regex (to get some quick Unicorn points); but, recent discussions have rather discouraged me. :)
 
@AdrianMole That is a very harsh punishment for just words. Though, unfortunately.. the punishment is still being used across the world, and well.. just over words and thoughts and stupid honor.
 
@AdrianMole Sorry, I just have feelings about humor :p Jokes can go very poorly IMO. Personally, I'd just rather stay away from them when the topic itself is serious, and controversial.
 
@Scratte Indeed. There are countries where so-called 'adulteresses' are buried in the ground, up to their necks, then publicly stoned.
 
@AdrianMole There's noway to get a foot in the regex tag. If you Answer a post there, the post is closed.. unless one of the goldies Answer it and then they have their little war.
 
12:02 AM
@Scratte Ah, I see. Your reposted as well. I'll take a look at it.
 
@AdrianMole Not all of them are burried. Some are just tied to poles.
 
@Scratte either way, it's a brutal system, long out-dated, that should be universally banned.
Let he who is without sin cast the first stone. Can't beat that one!
 
@AdrianMole Maybe we could superstitious it with downvotes ;)
@AdrianMole Naah.. there's always going to be some idiot who believe they've never sinned.
 
In actual fact, if you read that in it's original context (Luke's Gospel), then, just before the Big Man said that, he had been talking to the 'leaders' of the stoning mob about their pasts/secrets.
 
I think you will find that people who like to punish others for not being able to keep their own urges in check, will be unlikely to read any old text and actually understand what was meant.
 
12:08 AM
Well, therein lies one of the main problems with Humanity. An old (and very good) friend of mine has a favourite saying: The biggest problem with Christianity is Christians.
 
:D I would take that even step further :)
 
Helping the needy, showing love to your enemies, etc., etc. ... it's a wonderful ideal.
... but, as with many religious and/or political idea[l]s, it has been hijacked by those who would use it to empower themselves.
 
Helping the needy was the first step to get all those Christians in the first place. People were poor back then as they are now. Christians helped them and they became religious themselves, despite the looming punishment for being a Christian. Then of course it catches on in a family and the new members are more religious than the first converted. Added to that the more kids any family gets, the more Christians in the world. It's like breeding out the competition.
 
Actually, many of the core principles of Christianity pre-date the time of the Nazarene by several millennia. Jesus was merely re-iterating the guiding principles of Judaism. Almost all of 'his' quoted saying were actually quotes from the Old Testament (or its Apocrypha).
 
That makes sense. It's hard to know everything :)
The funny thing about all that is that no one that should be is actually interested in finding out how all that came about.
 
12:22 AM
Even his 'new' "Golden Rule" (Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.) can be found (sort of) in the Greek Old Testament (Septuagint), in the Book of Tobit: Do not do to others what you would not want them to do to you.
 
Ah! One of my favorites with modifications though.. it's rarely used in practice :(
 
It reminds me of your profile 'message' (unless you've changed it recently).
 
I've modified it to: Do not do onto other what you don't want them to do to you, or you know they will not want to have happen.
 
Words are cheap; actions are precious!
 
@AdrianMole I have not changed it. I believe we need more good stuff happening to people.
 
12:25 AM
... and wine is 'in between'. :-)
 
@AdrianMole Depends on what actions. I'm not flagging a post :D
 
don't start on that old chestnut
 
I was about to agree with you when I recalled that it could be used against me :D
 
Meh: Too drunk to care, and too wise to care that I don't care!
(Or is that the other way around?)
 
I think it's called: Pick your battles ;)
About regex. Let me know if you want to give it a go. I have read very good tutorials from two sites. They complement each other very well.
 
12:29 AM
Maybe when I grow up.
 
Obviously it's taken me quite some times, as I'm slightly slow, and I'm not done yet. But I reckon you'll do it in a week or so :)
 
I guess it's just about learning a new 'language'. Rules.
... the concepts aren't very deep.
 
The rules are quite simple for the basic stuff. I faced a memory problem when it came to recursions, since there are many equivalent syntaxes for the same thing, depending on regex flavour.
 
But, compared to concepts like pointers and "optionally unwrapped any-type" variables (Swift has such), I think regex is a walk in the park.
 
The most important stuff is to understand how the engines work the regex against a string. Once you know that, you can make a small change and go from almost endless backtracking to a few steps.
@AdrianMole Some of it. Other ones require a new way of thinking. I just read a post here on Stack that made a regex engine do what others said could not be done :)
 
12:34 AM
But it would be obvious to me that, if any engine failed to give me the result I wanted, then the engine is clearly at fault, is not?
 
The trouble with it is not that is doesn't give you what you want. It's that it gives you what you want, but you told it to take a very long detour :)
 
Ah! I like to take the picturesque route when travelling. More fun.
 
Here's a video from a Stack employee telling how bad it can go when you tell it to take a detour Catastrophic Backtracking ‒ When Regular Expressions Explode :)
 
Has to be said, though, that the "Do not use regex on HTML" post is one of the best on the site.
 
@AdrianMole Well.. one of the tutorial sites uses regex on HTML ;) But of course it was only a specified subset.
And I don't think that it cannot be done. Though I'm sure it's a less optimal way then just using a parser.
 
12:39 AM
Feel like posting an answer that refutes The Answer? xD
 
@AdrianMole You want to make me the first victim of the Super Downvote, huh? :D
 
... you could get Delete Vote privileges in a few weeks.
 
I only "need" another 125 reputation points in 2021. No need to go tempting fate :)
 
For your next silver badge, you mean?
 
Yes :) That one.. I like it. It's cute and starts with a symmetric Y :)
 
12:43 AM
The way I've been hacking it recently, I'll soon have more gold badges than silver and bronze combined. Bizarre.
 
I gather I can keep the close vote privilege at bay until 2024
 
Bear in mind, that whenever nGrudges gets above a certain (undisclosed) level, you'll get a revenge up-vote!
 
lol! The next "privilege" is at 2500. With that I can maybe make a synonym of at that point. Maybe you'll want to keep those revenge votes down ;)
 
Nah. That would save a lot of commenting. Just mix 'em up in the same bowl.
 
I've noticed I'm getting less unsung though :(
 
12:52 AM
Heh. You don't even have "Unsung Hero!" Pfft...
 
No :( I don't.. and I messed it up more lately :(
Though.. I always get a kick out of answering a SQL post before Gordon does it :D
 
It's a very funny badge; difficult to 'control'.
 
It is.. and it's lost if one merges two accounts if the criteria is lost.
 
Never felt the need to merge accounts; my Skeet-Puppet works well on its own.
 
When I first got duties privileges, I had planned to create a new account when it became too annoying.
 
12:58 AM
No need. Look at the curation stats of the top 20 users (by rep). With few exceptions, they're all pretty close to zero.
Martijn, Jon and your friend Hans are among the exceptions.
 
Yes, but I don't need all the extra buttons and I don't want to hear all the talk about not being good for the site by not using the privileges.
"My friend" the one that said I burned out fast ;)
 
He's a good guy. Just has a brutal sense of humour.
I cross swords with him quite a bit in the WinAPI tag.
 
It's permanently stored in a chatroom. I'm sure it'll come in handy some day.
 
But, there are users (a few) in WinAPI that really are pests - and Hans deals with those in very stern terms.
 
I think that post was just very ironic to say the least. Everything about that post is just ironic really.. I'm not even sure why it was posted anymore.
 
1:03 AM
Who knows? Does it matter?
 
@AdrianMole As in bad Answers?
@AdrianMole It kind of does to me. Mostly because I think it was posted under assumptions that turned out to be very faulty.
 
@Scratte No - as in nasty comments, complaining about other comments. My first ever mod flag was on such an issue (with one of those 'pests'). Hans has called that user out on Meta, in no uncertain terms.
... the post about you was not even Nothing in comparison.
 
@AdrianMole I see. I though Stack was such a warm and welcoming place :)
 
Hehe - You been drinking that Sputnik stuff again?
 
@AdrianMole I meant the the post itself. Not the comment by my friend.
The comment was just slightly rude and misguided.. obviously also had some assumptions that turned out to not be accurate. But that's different. That one was negative, which is easier to deal with. For me anyway.
 
1:07 AM
Big Hans is one of the true Veterans. I respect his opinions (and his expertise - he really knows his way around WinAPI). But I have, on occasion, had cause to challenge him. Always ends politely.
 
Aha! So.. the correct term is really your friend, not my friend ;)
 
Hmmm.
Some of his Meta comments on bug reports are among the best/funniest I've ever seen.
 
I like fun. We need more fun.
 
Have you tried Reddit? Someone told me that's fun.
 
The only problem with fun is that someone always comes and kills it.
 
1:12 AM
Ah. Moderators. What can we do?
 
I don't understand Reddit. Or more accurately: I don't understand how to navigate in Reddit.
@AdrianMole Sometimes.. sometimes it's Community Managers. Other times just mere curators.
 
I'm not even inclined to try Reddit. I've followed a few links to posts there, and just don't like the whole setup. S.O. is good by comparison, is not?
 
I remember last April 1st users are killing off April fools jokes :(
 
I've been working on an April Fools' post for Meta. Needs to be done just right, though.
 
@AdrianMole Not sure. I think one just needs to get to know it. I've become fond of Discord. It's a lot less hostile than Stack.
 
1:15 AM
I've heard a few regulars in here say good stuff about discord. I tried it (very briefly) when the Codidact site came along. Didn't invest much time though.
 
I get to help people on Discord without some curator coming in demanding effort.
 
Yeah. But without curation/moderation, sites become TwitBook.
 
I also asked a question there some while ago. I did prepare it so it was easily understandable. 10 minutes later someone posted a link to a solution :)
Of course if you "need" unicorn point, Discord isn't the place. There are no points on helping people and no one will know that you did it after it's scrolled by.
But it makes me happy to know someone else is happy :)
 
I used to be altruistic but I gave it up on medical advice (gave me wind).
 
@AdrianMole There is moderation of the chat itself. Which is different than moderating effort. Keep the tone civil, but no blood sacrifice is necessary to ask something :)
 
1:22 AM
Bedtime in Blighty. I've enjoyed the chat - Thanks™.
 
Sheep well.. count them too :)
 
1:41 AM
 
 
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8:40 PM
Is there a rule about posting multiple comments in a row on a post?
I recall a moderator once said that it's cause to delete them and ask the user to post a post.
 
8:52 PM
I've never been told not to do it. I often do it when I'm making separate points, such that one could be marked "No longer needed" once it's addressed while leaving the other.
 
9:13 PM
I was thinking more about when people do it on meta with a long line of full comments.
 

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