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12:48 AM
yawn
 
@DanielWiddis Bed time?
 
Not even close. Plus extra hour of sleep tonight so even further away.
I should probably get off my computer and exercise or something, but there's inertia.
 
Perhaps there'd be less inertia is you more frequently got off the computer and exercised or something XD I know there would for me at least.
Meh there's always tomorrow. When you're extra rested.
 
I will at least get off my computer to go get a glass of water. That should move me incrementally toward exercising.
 
Yeah! And hydration is super important. Also water is quite heavy. I mean it's basically warmup done.
 
1:00 AM
But it's dangerous. I read somewhere that everyone who has died has ingested dihydrogen monoxide.
 
Ha! But so has everyone who has exercised so you're probably better off not getting up at all.
 
 
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3:18 AM
Exercise complete. Along with an online argument that a link in code does not constitute a license violation.
 
3:31 AM
@DanielWiddis What do you mean?
 
4:18 AM
@HenryEcker See this page. It's on Wikipedia, so the page content and code is CC-BY-SA. Note the graphic image on the page with the circles and arrows connecting each other.
Well, someone was writing code which used the graph shown in that image as a test case, and had a comment linking to that wiki page stating it was the example.
They copied no code from the actual page, just represented the image in some variables.
Someone thinks that code is copyrighted, but the image itself that the code is based on is marked as public domain. So it ain't.
 
So what was the license violation that they thought occured?
 
"Copying code from Wikipedia" -- not a violation per se as it was attributed, but it was in an Apache Licenced project so incompatible with the "share alike" requirement.
Except no code was copied. Someone just coded up "B links to C", "D links to A and B" etc.
I hate license wars.
Unrelated, my dog seems very happy that my inertia has returned me to the couch and he doesn't have to follow me around.
 
4:51 AM
@HenryEcker Yes, right. I don't want it to persist across refreshes, though. This is just for an element that I'm hiding/showing dynamically. I, uh, I forget that you can use the DOM to store things and just hide them. That's basically what I ended up doing. :-)
@manro "f.e." is not a thing. That's not a valid abbreviation of anything.
@manro Yes, I think so, but I would have told you that in 2006, too.
 
@CodyGray Not according to Oxford
 
I have a Lenovo Yoga with a 3000x2000 resolution screen, and I absolutely love it. Super high resolution, fits tons of stuff on the screen. A 16:10 is acceptable, especially if you're someone who likes to watch HD video. There's no reason for a 16:9.
@DanielWiddis Ugh.
 
Inorite?
 
I'm maybe OK with it meaning "first edition".
 
What ratio is 2880 × 1800? I'm too lazy to type it into my calculator.
 
4:55 AM
I... have no idea
5:3 Like I said, I have no idea
 
But a browser search bar changing / for x reveals 1.6 --> 16:10
 
Oops. Yeah.
 
@CodyGray Yeah or attach to window or document or function. Lots of options. I wasn't super clear on what the goal was
 
I can't do math. Why would you ask me that?
 
Because I'm lazy and asking questions when you are too lazy to look up the answer yourself is a thing here.
No more pumpkin, I see. Have any grand plans for something else behind the glasses?
 
4:58 AM
@CodyGray Caveat: While I love the Lenovo Yoga's screen, it has the worst sound drivers in existence. The built-in sound regularly fails in the middle of watching videos, which prevents any sort of audio playback. I used to have to restart the entire computer to get it back. Then, more recently, I figured out I can disable then reenable the sound driver, and it works again. This is much easier than a restart.
It's a built-in Realtek sound chip, so it shouldn't suck this much. I have no idea what the problem is. I've tried updating the drivers, rolling back to older versions, and everything else. Never had any luck fixing it. Some days, it won't fail at all. Other days, it'll fail 2 or 3 times through a YouTube video or movie.
@DanielWiddis I don't, no. I don't usually do Thanksgiving things, because that holiday isn't well enough known around the world. I'd do Christmas, except we already have hats for Winter Bash.
 
@DanielWiddis I'm more familiar with crime law than licensing. I probably should be, but it doesn't come up all that much in my day-to-day... A lot of that goes right over my head.
 
@HenryEcker A lot of software license stuff goes over most people's heads and even all the lawyers can't always agree on stuff.
 
The software license stuff seems particularly annoying, even as far as legal stuff goes.
Figuring out what can be done with GPL libraries, for example. Ugh.
 
@CodyGray I have a friend who also have a Lenovo Yoga with a similar issue in that we'll just be chatting on video call or whatever and then his voice will get all tin-like and then the driver will crash and the computer/driver needs restarted. It's very frustrating for him, although I always enjoy the expletives.
 
@CodyGray I recently had to click a box that I agreed with the EULA. Which it made me scroll through before it let me click the box. Which took probably 20 seconds of scrolling just to not read it. I can't imagine that is enforceable.
 
5:03 AM
Interesting. This is an extremely high-end Yoga (a 920, I think?) that work bought for me. It's got a huge 1 TB SSD, 16 GB of RAM, i7 CPU, etc. Very nice. But it's also designed for "home" use (came with Windows 10 Home, for example), so I figured that despite the hefty price tag and nice features that can go on a spec sheet, they cheaped out on the real internal hardware that's hidden from the user.
I've never had any issues with the other Lenovo Thinkpads that I buy for use in the office. Presumably, because those are "work" machines, they use non-terrible components that cost dollars instead of cents.
@DanielWiddis I'm sure you've heard about the judge's ruling where he famously declared that clicking "I Agree" is meaningless, because everyone clicks it without reading those licenses.
 
@CodyGray Persactly.
 
Yeah, a couple of years ago in my current job, I was the first person to ever work there who cared enough to actually pay attention to licenses, so I was trying to figure out if we were legit to link our proprietary code to a third-party GPL-licensed library. I still have no idea.
There are dozens of Q&A about it online, but none of them really give a definitive answer. As best I can tell, it's a "commonly accepted" loophole, but one that isn't really justified by a strict reading of the GPLv3.
Things are quite bad when it's honestly easier to just reimplement the whole library yourself (at least, the parts you need, not necessarily 100% compatible implementation, of course) than it is to worry about the license compatibility.
My management insists on 100% proprietary-ness, so I can't make use of anything that's copy-left.
 
@CodyGray I once linked my code to a GPL with classpath exception product from my MIT-licensed project. Which is exactly what the exception is meant to permit. Which is exactly the same exception the freaking JAVA language itself has with Oracle's license. But people complained that I was poisoning the free license and I ended up removing it.
 
Yup
It's ridiculous
 
I think more people should use WTFPL.
 
5:09 AM
Currently, I don't use anything but the C++ standard library and Boost in my embedded code, and I also add MFC in my GUI code. I haven't found any useful libraries with compatible licenses.
My management is way too cheap to actually license anything. For example, FFTW is not an option.
I had to build a demo once, and it needed to do 3D rendering, so I ended up using Qt, because that's the best thing I could find that would allow me to get a simple GUI off the ground that could render a 3D file. But Qt isn't available in a compatible license without purchasing one.
It might be possible to use it in the LGPLv3 version, shipping the Qt stuff as DLLs, but that's still legally complicated, and it would require me changing my whole build process, which I'm not super interested in doing.
 
I like the MIT license for its permissiveness, but I despise that I have to put the entire license including an ALL CAPS section as a header in every file.
One more reason to prefer WTFPL, which can be licensed by reference, saving bits which cost energy to transmit on the internet, probably killing a tree somewhere.
 
MIT actually requires putting it in the header file? Ugh.
Oh, I think the copyright notice can be in a separate file included with the source.
It was never clear to me whether the requirement is that the MIT license terms be included with binary releases of the software, or only with source code.
 
Well, yeah, how do you interpret "this permission notice shall be included..."
 
I think you interpret it as "what can I reasonably defend in a court of law"
 
5:21 AM
And then realize that if you ever get into a situation where you're having to defend this, you're already screwed, because the legal fees alone would put anyone but the largest company under.
 
5:33 AM
Oh, on an unrelated note, @DanielWiddis, I may have found a use for those AWS credits you had mentioned not knowing what to do with.
 
Bhargav Rao used to run a bot called "UserStalker" that looks for certain patterns in newly-registered user accounts. This can be handy for catching spammers, trolls, re-created suspension-evasion accounts, etc.
 
Ah, cool.
 
But the bot has been inactive for a while, as he no longer has access to the credits he was getting from his university while a student.
So I thought I might be able to bring it back, either using Bhargav's original code, or perhaps even a heavily-modified version of Charcoal's SmokeDetector (looking specifically at user accounts, not at all posts).
 
So what is the need? Just a vm?
 
5:35 AM
The catch is, this is meant to be a mod-only tool, and we have historically put its output into a private chat room, accessible only to moderators. However, it doesn't technically access any PII, so there should not be any legal issues with you being able to access the bot or its information. It's just that we'd prefer to keep everyone from being able to go, e.g., downvote posts by these users.
Well, that's the next problem. Remember, I'm an embedded guy mostly, despite being forced to dabble in userscripts to make this site minimally usable for what I need to do, so hosting bots on the web is pretty far outside of my expertise. I'd have to figure out what I'm doing as I go along. :-)
So, yes, I assume that is all that would be needed, but I'm not exactly sure how it works.
 
Yeah, I recall normal users are supposed to moderate content, not users.
 
Right, exactly. And having that information printed out in a public chat room just never seemed like a good look.
I mean, plenty of things are technically "publicly-available" information, but you also don't put them up on a billboard in front of your house, or publish them in the newspaper.
 
Well I'd certainly be happy to spin up an Azure VM (not AWS) and give you the logins for it.
 
The repo containing the code is public: github.com/SOBotics/UserStalker
Ah, Azure. Sorry, I was confusing it with Bhargav who had AWS credits when he was at university.
Oh, Bhargav's code is actually in Java. I'd been assuming it was JS, for whatever reason.
 
Which means it could run on any OS.
 
5:45 AM
@CodyGray in the German we use z.b. = f.e. and it is valid. But it is not important. We aren't scientists ;)
 
Likely extremely low.
As far as I understand (haven't dug through the code), it's making batch requests to an API endpoint, and then running some regexes on the retrieved information. If there are matches, it's posting messages to a chat room like a normal chat bot.
The only thing there that should take CPU power is the regexes. Should be almost no memory or storage usage, relatively speaking.
@manro I am a scientist :-)
 
@CodyGray If the project gets revived can we also fix the "Whom would it help?" to Who?
 
Well, tomorrow I'll spin up a small Bs-series VM and email you the logins.
 
@HenryEcker Yes :-)
 
@CodyGray then you should use latin abbreviations, other scientists can dislike you)
 
5:48 AM
@DanielWiddis Yeah, I'd say go with the smallest and cheapest thing possible.
 
After visiting the CV queue today I pondered a bot scanning questions for phrases like "do you think" or "what is the best" or questions starting with "Why" and automatically casting opinion-based close votes on them :-)
 
Hrm.
The opinion-based close reason is probably the most misused of all of them...
Close-voters too often behave like bots, triggering on keywords like "best".
 
@DanielWiddis Sam's review helper has something similar where it suggests close reasons based on some string matches
I never have enough close votes to do CV queue
 
@HenryEcker as usual someone else has my great ideas first.
 
Noooo, they again close my question ((( i disagree, but haven't powers to fight again.
 
5:52 AM
@HenryEcker Yeah, I'm not a fan of that, either...
And even less of the skipping audits...
@manro It seems it has been marked as a duplicate. Do you not think the duplicate answers your question?
 
It's an odd script to be public for sure...
 
Well, Sam makes everything public.
 
*The default features on the script are odd for a public script
 
Fair. :-)
 
@CodyGray my question was about the problem with iconv function, not about str_replace. I knew also about this solution.
 
5:55 AM
I can see the additional tweaks being useful for mods... Do mods get served audits when in queue?
 
Why iconv works wrong
 
I have a "Super Shotgun" script that is public (named after the Doom weapon). It provides an array of buttons at the top to one-click nuke a question (which involves closing it, downvoting it, and deleting it). That one's kinda risky to be public, too.
Thing is, anyone who uses it is accountable for their own actions, so...
@HenryEcker No idea. Most mods don't use the review queues. I never do.
@manro Oh, I see. Yes... that is weird. I have no idea how your question about iconv was closed as a duplicate of a question that isn't about iconv.
 
@CodyGray I'm not sure it's that risky in that a non binding close vote wouldn't enable a delete vote for a standard user.
 
Oh, that's very true. Forgot about that! :-p
 
Beyond that I was thinking that if it was a tool for mods to go through review queue that you'd want a mod not clearing a review audit meant for a standard user...
 
5:59 AM
@CodyGray Are you agree with me? Thx, Cody( But I'm guilty too, made a bad title(((
 
I'm not sure of the intention. I based my review helper on several of the ideas from Sam's particularly the key binds on menus. I really makes things a lot easier experience. (for me at least) which is the point of user scripts.
 
Oh... that's not really how review audits work.
It's not like there are a limited number of them, and a mod hitting one would remove it from the queue for someone else.
They're generated on the fly for you when you're going through the review queues making requests.
@HenryEcker Ah, the ones where close reasons or dismissal options can be triggered by pressing a number key? Yeah, that's nice.
@manro I love closing things as duplicates. But I don't see how that is a duplicate. I think that proposing an alternative solution to iconv is a valid answer. Maybe iconv isn't the right tool for the job, or maybe it's inefficient, or whatever. But it cannot be a duplicate of a question about something entirely different.
 
@CodyGray Ah. I misread (misunderstood what I read).
 
The way Sam is able to tell is that they take longer to load when they're audits, IIRC.
I haven't looked at it in detail.
 
"skips accepted questions and audits (to save review quota)" I was thinking this meant some audit quota not that doing an audit meant one less actual review to complete
 
6:03 AM
@CodyGray yes, and it will be reopened? But i really afraid, that man, who closed my question could downvote it and i again will go to ban...(
 
Oh, no, that means your review quota. A user is only allowed to do like 40 or 50 reviews per day, and apparently audits count towards that.
 
No his script looks for disparity in shown state and actual state.
@CodyGray Yes. I understand now. I had misunderstood on the first read.
 
@manro I have no idea if it will be reopened. I don't have any expertise in that subject matter, so I am not going to override the decision of someone who holds a gold badge. But I did ask, because I am quite skeptical that the duplicate closure was correct.
@HenryEcker Ah, OK. That makes more sense, and is probably more robust. I definitely have had people tell me, though, that they can tell when an audit is about to come up based on the loading time. And they use that when they're not using a script.
 
I wanted to talk about laptops, but now I'm again in the bad mood(
 
Why are you in a bad mood?
 
6:06 AM
@codygray I assume you want a Linux VM and not Windows?
 
@DanielWiddis What's the difference? I mean... aside from the obvious... What's the price difference?
 
I think the prices are much the same, let me double check.
 
Would you recommend one over the other?
Usually Windows is much more expensive than Linux. :-)
Do they actually provide a full Windows GUI session, e.g., via Remote Desktop? Or how does that work? Is it just Server Core, with a command-line UI only?
I told you I literally know nothing about this. :-)
 
Because of this duplicate ( WalterTross was also interested in "how to iconv in R works" it's not a topic of SO?
 
@manro Huh? First of all, I don't know why you'd be in a bad mood because someone made a decision you didn't understand or even disagree with. Second, I don't understand the question. Yes, obviously, usage of iconv in R is on-topic for SO. I don't see Walter saying anything different.
 
6:10 AM
@CodyGray Heh. Prices are exactly the same but the cheapest $4/month option isn't available for windows because it probably doesn't have enough resources to host windows. I'll give ya Linux.
windows is full RDP
 
Linux is just SSH?
 
Probably RDP as well, but easier SSH I think.
 
@CodyGray ok... maybe we will talk with him in the chat about it. Where i should ask about fine points of iconv? On code review?
 
I don't think we need to talk to anyone in chat.
And, no, you would not ask about that on Code Review.
Code Review is for reviewing code.
 
Where is a place? Here are so many sites
 
6:16 AM
Stack Overflow
No one told you the question was off-topic.
 
Oh, good
Cody, I earned my first 1k here ;) you saw it? ⊂(◉‿◉)つ
 
I don't really pay attention to rep
 
@CodyGray Email sent with login stuffs.
 
Oh, thanks!
Got it.
Hmmmm. I had this idea I might go to bed early tonight. This probably won't help. (-:
 
But rep give to us some new features of the site. It is important
 
6:24 AM
Yes, it is important for that reason. But it is not important to me.
 
I can't imagine how much knowledge i lost(( if i were an active user here although 5 years, my brain will be more powerful
Good night, Cody 👋
Oh, you are still here. Thx for correction ;)
@CodyGray it's a justice 💪
 
Yes. Henrik was very kind and thoughtful in his replies to my questions in the comments.
I deleted the comments now, because they're obsolete, but I probably should have saved and framed them as an example of how this is supposed to work...
You'll need to provide your own frame.
 
6:41 AM
@CodyGray he won't your enemy in the future because of me???
 
I'm pretty sure asking someone for clarification cannot make them your enemy...
If so, I'll happily accept that someone who is irrational is my enemy...
 
Now i know, where do they go some my comments ;)
 
Yes, moderators regularly delete comments
I deleted several of them there when I changed the question.
 
@CodyGray i can't understand this phrase
 
I said that I "should have saved and framed them", like you'd take a photo, put it in a photo frame, and hang it on the wall. A few minutes later, I provided a photo of the comments, but didn't provide the photo frame, so you have to provide your own if you want to hang it on your wall.
It was a joke. I make a lot of these. Many of them are obscure.
 
6:45 AM
Yes, photoframe!
 
@CodyGray You get an extra hour tonight though no?
 
@HenryEcker It won't make up for the dozens of hours that I failed to get throughout the week, though.
 
I almost haven't no photoframes at the home, was hard to ponder)
 
@CodyGray That is very true. How many of the worlds problems could be solved if only there were a way to catch up on sleep.
 
Unfortunately, very few.
 
6:55 AM
@HenryEcker how many hours do you sleep?)
I have one more question to you
Can i name myself a junior developer?)
Without any work practice?
Question to you *all
 
@manro What have you developed?
 
@DanielWiddis some functions in C and R :)))
Ok, nucleus developer :))
 
@manro If you have developed something you are a developer. I'm not sure adding the term "junior" means anything outside of a professional environment where it connotes some level of experience.
 
What about if you've just developed a distaste for programming? Are you still a developer? :-)
 
Ex-developer ;)
 
7:07 AM
@CodyGray Senior developer. :D
 
Hahaha
 
@DanielWiddis or veteran developer)
 
That moment when you think "it's past midnight, I should go to bed" and then think "it's only a little after 11"
 
@manro I'm lucky if I can get 5 hours in most days. My job used to involve a significant amount of travel... but with all of the global restrictions most of my meetings have become virtual... Which is unfortunate because trips would mean that I had a few days between meetings to physically get there. But currently I have meetings at all hours everyday...
 
You must be a "senior developer", too :-)
 
7:10 AM
@HenryEcker you have a dream work for somebody. World travelling is cool. Corona show soon comes to end. You will again fly like a wind ;)
 
Ugh. Everybody thinks they'd like traveling, until they actually have to do it.
 
@HenryEcker I used to have nearly a million frequent flyer miles and status and upgrades. Even then, I realized my couch was so much more comfortable than a first class seat.
 
I miss the traveling yes. But I agree with Cody it's certainly not for everyone. Although I have a fair amount of job security in that I'm someone who genuinely enjoys doing it.
 
Do you have family obligations?
 
@CodyGray For me the main benefit of traveling is collecting airline and hotel points that you can spend on your family for vacation flights/hotels.
 
7:12 AM
Yeah, that totally makes sense.
I don't mind doing it sometimes. It's a nice break from the monotony. But being always "on the go" is pretty taxing to me, too. I like consistency, and I like having my stuff.
 
I have a friend who travels all the time delivering guide dogs to people. Lots of one-day round trip stuff.
 
@CodyGray i want to travel, but afraid to fly)
 
I'm so much happier with just a suitcase and a laptop. Stuff stresses me out. (by stuff I mean material things like a lawn and a house etc.)
 
@manro Afraid to fly? Wow. Have you ever flown before?
 
@CodyGray never, only rode at trains and buses
 
7:15 AM
@HenryEcker A lawn and a house, I get. But what about all the other material possessions that you have for pure convenience?
 
I have a washer and a dryer, a desk, a bed, some clothes, and 6 computers... That's about all I own XD
My apartment has a stove and fridge etc.
I like the per diem and not having to grocery shop and plan meals.
Travel suits me better than stationary. That said I've been stationary for almost 2 years now so that's been... different
 
Had you any accidents? Problems with engines...?
 
I've not had any worse experiences on a plane than any other type of public transport.
 
Haha, no, never had an engine fall out on me, either.
 
Struck by lightning was an interesting experience but 1 in a million I'm sure.
 
7:24 AM
And birds in engines
 
Well I guess it's technically 1 in 3 million
 
Ah, that's not an uncommon occurrence. Commercial planes are struck by lightning on average at least once a year. They're totally designed to handle it.
The fuselage acts as a Faraday cage. The electricity just travels across the outside of the metal body.
 
The most of air planes tragedies are in "regional lines" inside country, where are planes can be old as Moses.
 
Eh. I don't know the stats on that, but I'm skeptical.
Most planes in service are pretty old, but they're extensively maintained.
I work for a company that develops structural monitoring systems for planes. :-)
 
When I was in Peru the flight from Lima to Cusco was genuinely one of the rougher flights I've had, but that had more to do with the plane size and not any issues with the plane itself.
 
7:29 AM
Odds of dying in plane crash in a given year is 1 in 11 million. Odds of dying on railway crash in a year is 1 in 243,756. Lifetime odds of dying in a car crash is 1 in 107. Lifetime odds of dying as a pedestrian hit by a car is 1 in 543.
 
For me it's just about time. The more often you use a particular type of transport the more likely you are to experience an issue. It's just about which issues you're the most comfortable dealing with.
 
Regional jets have ~10x as many crashes as airliners but probably carry 1/10 of the people, so the total risk is probably the same.
Most accidents are during takeoff or landing, so it makes sense that shorter flights are riskier
 
@CodyGray ... of all planes? Or only electric and electronic systems?
 
@manro Our systems are electronic, but they monitor the structure of the aircraft.
Like... structural integrity. Looking for cracks, fatigue, etc.
 
Aaa, mechanical strains?
 
7:40 AM
Yes
 
But I'm really afraid to fly) i hope, i live out to an epoch of teleports 😁
 
Wouldn't teleportation be way scarier?
 
But dying will be more softer
 
Haha. How do you know?
 
@CodyGray Only when wearing a red shirt
 
7:45 AM
@CodyGray "a priori scientia" ;)
 
Hmm. The good news is, my userscripts work well in Dark Mode, without needing to do any extra work.
The bad news is, I find Dark Mode very difficult to use.
Everything just has way too much contrast. It becomes very hard to read or even focus.
The code blocks do look very nice in Dark Mode, though.
 
8:01 AM
I like dark mode except when various things show up as big white blocks in it
 
Oh, like what? (I've never actually used it before, I just turned it on to see if my scripts would work with it.)
 
well, before I blocked them, lots of ads. Lately some userscripts have non-dark replacement text.
 
Colors are just so much more vivid against a black background. They stick out like sore thumbs.
I have a lot of colored elements on the page. Well, everyone does, and I have a few extra ones.
 
OK, I probably really should go to dark mode in real life. G'nite!
 
Night!
 
8:19 AM
Good night to my oversea friend)
 
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