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6:09 AM
> in php i can write the code between html tags and change file extension to .php. is that old school coding?
It was old school 10 years ago...
 
So, yes? :-p
 
Who knows, we know that some things are cyclical.
Maybe it's time to go back to this way of writing code.
Next: punch cards!
 
 
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11:31 AM
Since there isn't much else to really share this - my tests about COVID antibodies came back and I apparently have 87.20%. I don't actually know what this is a percentage of, but it seems high. Also I've been told it's a very good result. So, yay me, I suppose.
 
It means only 12.80% is you. The rest is COVID antibodies :D
 
Now I wonder which part(s) of my body are me. Maybe something like my toes and my nose.
 
I heard you're only a head.. so maybe it's that :)
Are you sure it's not a percentage of the accuracy of the test?
 
That is a very strange result then: "The accuracy is 87.20%" being the entirety of it.
 
Not really. A test can give a positive result on 87.20% of cases where there are antibodies in the blood.
 
11:42 AM
It also says that 30% or more are required.
 
Hmm.. that's odd. Especially if it doesn't say what 100% means.
 
Yeah, I'm not sure. It has a table that only has one row in it and then under the table it reads tath >= 30& is a positive result; <30% is a negative result.
 
You could ask our cherished moderator.. they seem to know about stuff :)
 
I'll raise a flag.
Or maybe just ask the nominees, to see how they would answer, so I can refine my voting preference.
 
No.. ask in the right room :) And it's not moderator related, so there's no violation of rules :)
 
11:46 AM
What if being more than three quarters antibodies is a bannable offence?
 
@CodyGray Want to test the nuke button on a trusted user? :D
 
I'm not a member of any Collectives.
Unless you mean somebody else.
 
I think the Borg uses "Recognized user" and "Member"
Or.. "Recognized Member"
 
Oh, sorry. Yeah, I'm not used to Collectives terminology. And I never really learned the names of the privilege levels.
My bad.
 
No problem.. I'm pretty sure Cody is going to go "Sigh... Scratte is being silly again".. :)
I have a little trouble with the word "bannable".. I keep reading it as "bananable"
 
12:01 PM
I would like to think I am always bananable.
In fact, I can probably list it in my CV.
 
I thought HR people hated fun.
 
Bananabalness is no laughing matter.
 
 
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7:38 PM
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9:10 PM
 
9:43 PM
@Scratte It works fine. I don't need to check this one; we've used it before. They can't be destroyed, but they can be deleted.
 
Don't they get submitted to staff or something?
 
I believe so, to decide what to do with the votes
@Scratte Nothing silly about that. Bananable is awesome!
 
@CodyGray You've used it ?!? :O
 
Not today.
 
OK. Thank you for not deleting me today ;P
 
9:47 PM
Did you do something to deserve it?
I haven't checked my list yet.
 
I may have mentioned something about a grumpy Cody... and a pumpkin on fire..
 
Hardly a bananable offense
 
I could have been bananas when I said it..
 
I wonder if they flagged the wrong comment?
Oh, no. They're trying to flag the answer.
@Scratte I like bananas!
You are all of the good things: bananas and nuts.
 
@CodyGray LOL!
 
9:58 PM
can you say that not only are they nuts, they are cuckoo-bananas?
 
I thought cuckoo was a bird.
 
Yes
Who doesn't like birds?
 
Mice, probably.
 
Being a squirrel.. I have issues with birds.. and cats.
I chase the birds. And the cats chase me.
 
I've seen you chase cats
 
10:00 PM
you have a brawl with me?
 
I do chase cats. I'm not a chicken squirrel :P
 
@OlegValter You are a very ood-looking cat. Did you set your avatar as a picture of your owner?
 
@CodyGray I think you got that wrong. Oleg, the cat, just took that picture of some stranger when on holiday..
 
Oh
Maybe Oleg could get Manny to help him?
 
I am a shy cat :(
 
10:05 PM
That one in the snow is just awesome! :)
 
Plot twist: Manny's owner is named Catty.
 
who's Catty's owner then?
 
@OlegValter Manny. The ownership goes both ways.
 
Cats aren't really owned.. in the west. They just humour humans.
 
Are they owned in the east?
 
10:09 PM
@RyanM hmm, does it not break the feudal rule?
 
@CodyGray If they're used for meat and skin, yes.
 
@OlegValter Sorry, I'm afraid my knowledge of law doesn't go back that far ;-)
 
Ah, my knowledge of the law stops some time around the end of feudalism. That's convenient. :-)
 
I have a bit of an issue with "There more than one way to skin a cat". I saw a video about how they do that in.. I'm pretty sure it was China. And the cat is still alive when they do it.. and it takes it quite a while to die after.
 
Your issue with that phrase is that there's really only one correct way?
 
10:11 PM
@CodyGray It has to be dead first! That's the only way, if you ask me.
 
Seems like an extra unnecessary step
"Perfection is achieved, not when there is nothing more to add, but when there is nothing left to take away."
 
So is giving people a painkiller before during surgery on them.. but it's the right thing to do.
 
They whine if you don't. And squirm. Causes issues during the surgery. Therefore, it is a required step.
 
@RyanM but... your rainbow coat of arms... :)
 
@OlegValter I approve this retconning of my avatar as a coat of arms.
 
10:16 PM
I don't see any arms. Just a nose.
 
@CodyGray Eventually they pass out. Usually.
 
Yeah, but that's too much trouble. Just give a sedative at the beginning.
 
So...I recently listened a podcast on ancient medicine. And they didn't do surgeries with anaesthesia until after the middle ages, IIRC. It focused more on Greek and Roman medicine, so at the time they didn't really do much other than restraining the patient. Even giving them alcohol is a bad idea - more bleeding with that.
And this is not actually as bad as the fact that the doctors didn't sterilise their tools.
 
That's right
You seem to have found an accurate podcast!
 
It turns out that anesthesia is complicated. We've got it down pretty solidly now, but that's with lots of fancy tech.
 
10:25 PM
Undergoing surgery at ancient times was...dangerous. Actually, it wasn't until the 19th century until going to the doctor had more than 50% chance of making you better. After germ theory and antibiotics.
 
"Heroic medicine"
It doesn't mean that the doctor was a hero. It means that the patient had to be one in order to risk it.
 
With that said, the surgeries they did were surprisingly (at least to me) complex. Like taking out kidney stones. Especially considering they didn't have good grasp on anatomy. Autopsies were pretty much not done, so most doctors had mostly a "black box" knowledge of the body. Some of their guesses about how it operated were right. Others very, very wrong.
 
@Scratte Ah, alright. I understood the wikipedia-esque thing, but still thought you asked the questions as though it was a help site. I've edited the question to remove that type of stuff I had at the end — hopperelec yesterday
Scratte had some success.
I'd give points for it, but it took him two comments instead of one, so that washes out the victory.
 
*writes down* So the par for comments is 1.
 
Yes
 
10:39 PM
@CodyGray Two edits is fine with me.. They're learning and nobody's perfect.
What does "the par for" mean?
 
@Scratte Two comments?
You left two, not one.
Full disclosure, before the person ever replied, I tried to merge them into one. But I couldn't, because of the character length. I assume that's why you split them.
@Scratte It's a golf term.
"Par" is basically the score that you need to get to be average, and thus not lose points.
(Someone will almost certainly nitpick this. I am not a golfer.)
 
Hmm.. "So the par for comments is 1" doesn't make sense to me. It translates to to the average comments is one?
 
You were trying to educate someone.
Par score for attempting to educate someone in the comments is 1.
Meaning, it should only take you 1 comment to educate someone. Otherwise, you come in under par and lose points.
 
Oh!.. I see. That is impossible.
 
Heh
Why impossible?
 
10:46 PM
Because if you can explain how the site works in under 500 characters, then wipe out the Help Center and just use those 500 characters.
 
You don't have to explain everything. Only one targeted thing.
 
They had multiple things that needed addressed though
@CodyGray No. I'm pretty sure I posted the one.. and then decided to post another. Also.. sometimes my comments go missing, so it's better to spread it out on multiple ;P
 
Maybe they go missing because you leave so many?
 
Ha! You're not fooling me :)
Honestly. I leave them to help people. I don't post Answers because I can't be bothered to spend an hour or more on a post that's going to get deleted anyway.
I'd have to very carefully avoid using both the word Answer and Question. Unless they're at the beginning of a sentence. And I always risk someone changing the meaning of my post. I know you'd rather have people post Answers, but it's so much work.. and very likely utterly wasted.
 
...
This logic makes no sense.
Comments are 987,533 times more likely to be deleted than answers.
 
10:54 PM
Not on meta :D
It takes a lot less effort to post a comment.. and yes, it does get deleted when the Question suddenly go missing. But the effort is small compared to posting something that other people are going to turn inside out.
And I don't want to post an Answer on a post that goes missing.. it's insulting. Not even the post author can delete their Question, because someone put effort into it.
 
Answers really aren't deleted on Meta very often
 
Questions are.. and Answers go with them
 
So...
Over the last quarter, 73 posts (questions and answers) have been deleted by mods/staff.
Whereas, over the same time period, 2080 comments have been deleted by mods/staff.
(That would be from 2021.07.18 to today.)
So comments are 28.5 times more likely to get deleted than posts.
 
I can spend two hours educating myself on something interesting.. and when taking a break, make a few comments on a meta post. And I'd know something that I didn't do before I started. Or.. I can spend two hours posting an Answer on meta. Get it deleted along with the Question.. and be frustrated for an hour after that.. and three hours of my time is wasted. I opt for the first option.
 
And that isn't even taking into account the relative number of each.
Why does it take two hours to post an answer, but it only takes a few insignificant moments to post a comment?
 
11:01 PM
@CodyGray How about the ones deleted by users?
 
It's just typing text into a box.
@Scratte I do not have easy access to that statistic, and it wouldn't differentiate between self-deletes
Oh, I can see recent self-deletes..
 
@CodyGray That's not how I write a post. I type it up with FIXMEs for finding relevant links. Then I find the links. Then I check the phrasing. Then I fix the typos. Then I recheck the phrasing. I rephrase it.. I leave it while I reread the Question. Then I reread it again. And then.. I post it.
And I'm not doing all that just so a few users can delete vote the Question. It's not worth it.
 
290 posts self-deleted on Meta in the same time period
@Scratte You don't do that with comments?
 
It took me over 8 hours to write the post that everyone seems to like.
@CodyGray I write them.. keep them open while I find the links. Then I post them.. and I fix typos after I've posted them. I'd say over half of all my comments are edited. And it's not even more than a sentence or two.
 
I'm not getting the difference
 
11:06 PM
I can write them in my own preferred words. I type in Question. I don't even have to find out how to rephrase that so Peter won't come along and "fix" it.
 
So, what we need is collaborative editing of comments
 
Sure.. I can live with only using chat :)
 
How much would it horrify you if I started editing your capitalization in all of your comments and chat messages?
 
I have no issues with limiting my contributions :)
 
Yes you do :-)
You have an opinion. You want to share it.
 
11:10 PM
I can find somewhere else to share it.. don't mistake me for someone that thinks Stack Overflow is the only place to be.
 
Ah, you'd start using Twitter?
 
No. I'd probably just start using my account on discord more.
 
Can't stuff be edited there?
 
I don't think so. I can edit my own messages. Don't know for how long. But it's just a chat. Things scroll by. I've had people help me on discord when I had regex questions. I'd post them in a message-block with a link to regex101 and then just wait a little.
My questions seems to be interesting enough for people to pick them and give me good answers.
They try a little to "gamify" discord. You can get a change of status. Some users have elevated themselves to that. But in reality anyone can just help anyone else. There's no voting or the feeling that someone's question is too bad to be answered. I kind of like that.
The really bad ones are just simply ignored.. or someone points out that it's not possible to answer it.
 
I've not been on Discord that much but my impression is that there is not gamification. Of Discord itself, at least - different servers can do whatever. It's fundamentally IRC with a new coat of paint when it comes to "gamification".
(and I probably sound older than I need to here. I am aware it's not IRC)
 
11:29 PM
I can't remember the term, but people can be put into different groups on a discord server.
So the owner of the server can try to gamify it somewhat. I tend to disconnect from smartAss servers..
The one I generally go to has a page where the "top group users" can list their preferred technology.
But it's sort of the same with IRC. Some users have access to moderation of the channel and the main channel bot.
And their participation and behavior determines if a user gets the access. I guess it's sort of like SOCVR room owner status.
 
I think the technical term (seriously) is "guilds". But it's basically different groups. And you can have a hierarchy of users, similar to IRC. The hierarchy can also give additional benefits but it's up to the owners to define that.
 
There's a grouping on IRC now?
 
For the record, IRC had "user levels" where you could add elevate users to your level-1. In most places, the level didn't matter but you could set some additional privileges. E.g., you could allow users who are level 100 to be mods (I forget what IRC called them), so they couldn't make other people mods. However, a user with level 101 can make mods but they can't make other mods.
 
This sounds like a specific IRC network feature, not IRC as a whole
 
Huh.. I didn't know that. I used to use IRC a lot. I used to just join one channel and there were just the privileges users and the rest of us.
 
11:37 PM
And maybe at level 80 you get some additional privilege. E.g., setting a channel statis or whatever.
@RyanM I'm pretty sure user levels were universal. What they actually mean depends on the channel. It might very well be nothing.
 
There was +o and +v, for channel operators and voiced users, which were universal.
 
Ah, ops, that was the "mods" I was thinking of.
"operators"
 
Some networked also had halfops
 
Hmm.. I keep forgetting those. I remember using +i, but can't remember what it did
 
@Scratte Sets the channel invite-only.
 
11:39 PM
Case-insensitive mode :P
 
I've spent waaaay too much time on IRC in my youth, and have run a teeny IRC network :-p
 
@RyanM Not for the channel. There were option you could set on your own user.
 
Invisible
 
oh, yeah, that.
 
One of the privileged users on the channel had their company set up an IRC server :)
 
11:41 PM
At any rate, my point was that I don't think Discord itself has any formal "tiers" and similar. Like IRC, you can define what people gain access to.
 
@VLAZ Yes. Those are server specific to how the owner sets them up.
 
I'm in one server with few people I know, and there is a group that gains access to the bot that plays music, for example.
 
You go on the voice channel?
 
Occasionally.
When we play stuff in multiplayer.
 
I'd probably be playing my own music in the one ear and listen to people talking in the other. I'd probably drop out of that pretty fast if they were always playing music :D
 
11:44 PM
Actually, I mostly use Discord for voice chat when we're playing with friends.
There is another server, where it's me and just one more friend.
 
@Scratte You can mute or change the volume of individual users
 
+m
 
@RyanM Nice! I had no idea. I've only used discord typing :)
btw.. I really hope you're one of the winners for the election.
 
Yes, good luck! :)
 
Thanks! I hope so too :-)
Though there are a number of good options among the candidates :-)
 
11:49 PM
but in case you're not.. I have a ordered 200 boxed of tissues to help me during the depression.
 
1. Become mod. 2. ??? 3. Take over SO. 4. Make whoever you want a mod.
 
And if Dharman wins and you don't, please consider taking over his editing bot. It will put your avatar everywhere on the site :) Then you'll get some site wide branding :)
@VLAZ You mean.. rig the elections :D
 
No. Just ignore them completely.
Rigging still implies going through the charade of holding them.
 
Yes. It makes it so much less obvious :)
 
Step 3 is taking over SO. I don't think you need subtlety after that point.
 
11:59 PM
You can take it over while people think they still have control. It's the best way of doing it, no?
 

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