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10:43 AM
Figured out a query for non-self-answers you've accepted, but need to figure out how to integrate it into the main query... slowly tying my head in knots :-) data.stackexchange.com/stackoverflow/query/1258737
and also going "oooh....I wish I'd structured this differently...I should refactor"
 
@Scratte What are you quoting here?
@RyanM So learning SQL is going well, then
 
@CodyGray An answer that was removed at NAA.. Do you want a link?
 
@CodyGray so far the sharks are keeping their distance and my head's above the water, so I'd say so :-)
 
@Scratte Given that it's been removed, I guess not
If it wasn't removed, and it was wrong information about C++, I'd have to consider removing it.
 
I found it anyway. It came about from this chat message
 
10:54 AM
"What if I don't care about encapsulation and all that sh*t?" Maybe don't create classes? Or use C#?
Yeah, that wasn't about C++ at all.
 
I see that finding it gave you amusement, so not wasted at all :)
 
That word "amusement"... I believe you are using it incorrectly.
 
Oh dear. I thought it was going to be a "how do I set everything to public for testing" question
but no, it's worse
 
"Yeah, this question seems stupid"
I guess it's good to get that out there up front.
 
@RyanM How can you see the deleted post?
 
10:59 AM
It's actually even easier in C++. All you have to do is create a struct instead of a class. The only difference between a struct and a class is that all members of the former default to public, whereas all members of the latter default to private.
 
@RyanM So you want this to go into the other one?
 
@RyanM Only a few more days to go until the election. Better stop learning SQL and start answering dupes to build up that SO rep!
 
@CodyGray Actually RyanM and my account would probably need to be merged for that, since RyanM doesn't have the Convention badge yet. But I'm not sure it's allowed :D
 
Oh yeah. Man, that's a good point.
Even I wouldn't be able to vote for @RyanM, per my own rules requiring a Meta presence.
 
@CodyGray Huh?
 
11:06 AM
I have my own set of expectations for mod candidates... They need to have some sort of Meta presence. That's my own rule, independent of whatever Stack Exchange requires.
So, given Ryan's lack of Meta presence, I wouldn't even allow myself to vote for him
 
So you want even more Meta presence than the required badge? How much more? :)
 
I can't remember what the badge actually requires
Like 2 posts with 10 rep or something trivial
 
@CodyGray 10 posts with a score of minimum 2.
 
That's a start
I'd expect more, yes
At a minimum, I'd expect lots of votes cast on Meta, showing that at least they read things, follow along, and have opinions.
 
Hmm.. then I suppose even my account isn't going to help RyanM
 
11:09 AM
I'd put that into candidate score if I could, actually
You haven't discovered the vote arrows on Meta yet?
 
I have, but I don't vote until I've read the post and I have an opinion about the post that more than meh..
 
Well, of course you don't vote until you've read the post
 
Most of the posts I read are: Meh..
 
But you seriously don't have an opinion about most of the posts you read?
Wow
 
I like that you say that, because it seems that users do vote.. then read.. and then change their minds, maybe :)
 
11:12 AM
Why does it seem that way?
I see a fair number of accusations about people downvoting questions before they've read them, but they always ring hollow to me.
 
That is correct. I do not have an opinion about "Why can't I post Questions anymore..". I'm in between 1) You'll need to know what users tell you now. And 2) You probably didn't search, but.. it's tricky to search on meta.
@CodyGray It doesn't happen a lot to me, but 10 seconds is a little too fast to read a long post of mine.
 
They don't need to search Meta at all.
 
@Scratte But I've read people saying that that's how they do it.. so it's not out of my own imaginary thoughts :)
 
They're given multiple warnings before they ever get an actual ban, and those warnings have links to information. Then, the ban message itself has a link to the Help Center article.
 
Oh.. I've never tried it, so thanks :) Are you sure that's still how it works?
 
11:17 AM
Yeah...
Like 99%
There's a reason that Help Center article got added
 
100%
 
@AndrasDeak How do you know? Do you have a sock-puppet that's not allowed to ask? :)
 
they absolutely see clear warnings with links before the ban kicks in, and then the ban itself gives the link Cody said
@Scratte I pay attention
 
I know they see warnings. I can see how many times and exactly when they've received such warnings... and posted anyway. :-)
 
Askers regularly come to the python room asking/complaining about question bans. I only need to hear once that they get all the feedback they need.
 
11:21 AM
"Hi guys, I'm banned from asking on the main site, so I'm gonna ask here!"
 
@CodyGray actually that's the rarer case, fortunately
 
Oh, what was I thinking? They never admit to being question banned.
 
it's almost always just "halp me stop being question banned"
@CodyGray it's not terribly difficult to ascertain those cases :)
 
@AndrasDeak Which is the dead give-away that they didn't read any of the help, because it clearly says that no one can remove those manually
 
@CodyGray they don't normally ask for the ban to be actually lifted. I've seen that a few times, but they usually do just ask about what they can do.
 
11:24 AM
I'm sorry.. I think I picked the wrong type of post that I have no opinion about :D
 
You seem like a person who has opinions, @Scratte, so this is kind of blowing my mind.
 
@CodyGray I'm sure that happens a lot on meta, especially with polarizing topics
@CodyGray same. 90% of meta is so opinionated that you can decide to vote either way
 
There probably are times when people vote just based on the title
 
things that trigger "pandering to newbies" / "company doing anything" / "quality concerns" reflexes can easily get votes without being read
and "being welcoming" in general I guess
 
Things that trigger "we've already discussed this 19 zillion times already this month"
 
11:28 AM
@CodyGray Heh. I like to think my opinions are either informed or reasonable. So if I do not feel informed, I don't like to force an opinion. Or if I'm unsure of the advantage or disadvantage of something, I prefer to wait. I make mistakes though, so I can still change my mind :)
 
@Scratte Yes... I like to think that about my own opinions, too....
And expect that of pretty much everyone else, too
I have high standards, I know
 
the best opinions come from the gut without going through the cerebral cortex
 
So I've been doing it wrong all this time?
 
it wouldn't be the first time for you
 
@Scratte I can't; I was referring to the question
 
11:31 AM
@AndrasDeak No.. when someone has been very nasty to me, I want to kill them.. or at least take off their arm. But my brain tells me that it's a really bad option :)
 
@Scratte boy, that escalated quickly
 
@AndrasDeak What I mean to say is that the first opinion or instinct is often temporary and it's not a bad choice to wait and read the rest :)
 
I have 86 votes, 8 comments, and 2 posts on SO meta. I don't talk much, but I've read a lot of posts there.
 
Are there perks to being a wallflower on Meta, then?
 
Lots of information, less people scolding me. Although the two posts I do have have gotten more or less uniformly positive reception.
Gotta turn that around by proposing to burninate [mvvm] :D
 
11:34 AM
Which presumably whets your appetite for more, more, more
Burnination requests tend to be popular... I don't know what that tag is. It seems like it at least needs to be renamed to something that isn't an inscrutable acronym.
 
It's an architecture pattern: model-view-viewmodel. Means there's a 50% chance it's an off-topic opinion-based architecture question and a 50% chance it has absolutely nothing to do with the question's content.
Oh, and it has 26,500 questions
There's also which is even more mindnumbingly terrible
 
@CodyGray more vileage vary may
 
"Questions regarding applying a Model-View-ViewModel in android application"
 
Ooh, I could merge those
Then we could keep all the terrible in one place
 
build a wall!
 
11:38 AM
A corral of terrible
Yes. I'll make Google pay for it.
 
Theoretically these should be tagged [android]
 
How is MMVM different from MVC?
Specifically, how is a "ViewModel" different from a "Controller"?
 
And are there ViewModel experts?
 
Well, for one, it's much trendier. But more seriously, as I understand it, it basically cuts out the controller in favor of the View communicating directly with the Model, and then the ViewModel is updated accordingly, and the View updates based on that. I think.
 
You lost me at the end there
 
11:47 AM
@AndrasDeak If there are, they're probably on Software Engineering Stack Exchange. And sure enough, here's Cody's exact question
 
Ugh
Q&A about design patterns just create infinitely more questions
It's just all jargon
 
I protect myself by not knowing the design jargon
 
Exactly
I practice the novel approach of using my brain and imagining what future me would want to see/maintain
 
12:13 PM
Okay, I wrote it. Let's see how it goes.
Meanwhile, it is past my bedtime
 

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