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12:01 AM
@AdrianMole I hope that entire message is a joke, to be honest.. :)
It shadowed my "Ah!.. the revamp of the review :)"
 
@Scratte Really, it's not a joke. Any of it. I did get the 20 bucks (though I never bothered trying to spend any of it - probably expired by now). Lisa did tell me I'd be getting it; and I did ask for 200 rep. instead. Whether or not her smile was truly wry (or something far more sinister) I can't confirm.
But I always wondered where those 20 upvotes on some of my worst answers came from. ;-)
 
Ok. I just fail to understand how your time doing an interview is worth more(?) than your time answering Questions.
 
Because it's 'out of the ordinary'. Real-time interaction for a 30-45 minute period requires assigning time that cannot then be spent doing other stuff.
 
..but you volunteered it :)
 
@AdrianMole I don't think those Visa gift cards expire.
 
12:10 AM
I'll check. Get's me about 2-3 decent beers round here.
 
See? Worth it.
Few things are better than decent beers.
And beers skew the site a lot less than free rep.
 
@Scratte Indeed! And without knowing about the reward. Which was why I said "I'm probably not supposed to tell..." Next time, there'll be thousands of volunteers wanting their real Unicorn points from the Stack.
 
@AdrianMole I'm sure they can handle it. They could just post on meta and have people sign up.
 
Maybe not everyone gets the $20. Or maybe some get less or more? All depending on the perceived value of one's contribution.
 
What we've learned is that Adrian is worth about $40 an hour.
 
12:19 AM
What I get paid and what I am worth are two unrelated concepts.
 
OK "worth as determined by SE"
 
hehe
 
@VLAZ I thought is was 20 for every started hour.
 
If I'm worth $40/hr, is rene worth $6-8?
 
I assume they offered him the same $20 gift card. But for 6-8 hours.
 
12:28 AM
@AdrianMole not sure if a price can be put on rene. But if it can, it's definitely 6-8 something..
 
1:18 AM
8 more votes and Cody is only 3rd :)
 
 
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2:31 AM
Oh look, I did get called out, just not on Meta: stackoverflow.com/questions/62480391/…
"Do us a go back to your botany lab." Well, I did work one summer in a botany lab, but somehow I don't think I'd be welcome back there if I just showed up...
 
 
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6:28 AM
It doesn't count is it's deleted..
 
6:51 AM
@Scratte That's a dangerous thing to tell a moderator :-)
 
@CodyGray Heh.. I suppose when I get my 10K sock-puppet I can see all the dirty secrets of this site, even the delete blunders ;)
 
Oh, right. Forgot you can't actually see that.
(Another moderator nuked it, not me. No conflict of interest. I added the comment later, after it was nuked.)
 
I like the text in your top options "Nuke as" :D
But I'm confused.. how's botany related to molecular biology?
 
It's a user script I knocked together, not a mod feature per se.
I have no idea how they got botany out of molecular biology. I mean, you can apply molecular biology to the study of plants for sure. But they're not synonyms.
I was only a few courses away from graduating with a concentration in plant biology, but my declared concentration was microbiology. Maybe they got ahold of my transcript? ;-)
 
7:07 AM
Yes, OK, but then fish tank would have been just as valid as botany lab.
 
A virology and infectious diseases lab is where I spent most of my time. Guess they couldn't have known that.
Would have been hard to breathe in a fish tank.
 
I image the lab being part of the office, but the entire office ;)
 
That would help substantially, yes.
At one point, I had wanted to do marine biology.
But that had some sort of crazy requirement that you actually go spend some time studying near an ocean (?!), and I didn't want to/wasn't able to move, even in the summers.
 
Ahh.. there was also the possibility that you didn't want to be on a boat due to lack of good internet :)
 
Meh. Not really a big concern. I wasn't a programmer at the time.
 
7:14 AM
But to be honest, molecular anything bothers me.. there's too much going on and one can't just put a magnifying glass to it. Light has size and all that.
 
You need a bigger magnifying glass.
 
Still doesn't work with light though :)
I want to see how one atom gets released and reattaches :D
 
I know what you mean about "too much going on", though. The thing for me with microbiology was always that there's already so much going on there that it's impossible to understand everything, and that's about as simple as it gets. Studying human cells is just too much. There's no way you'll ever get it all.
 
I think there was an experiment with simulation of all (parts) the internal workings of a cell. I suppose if that could be done in real time, one could "see" it.
 
Yeah, but you can only start simulating things once you have a fairly complete understanding of what is going on.
There are transparent cells, like C. elegans (a nematode), where you can watch things like embryonic development and neural differentiation happening in real-time.
 
7:22 AM
I believe the simulation was done with just the workings of the atoms. To see what is going on :)
 
With modern molecular genetics, you can cause proteins to be tagged with a green fluorescence (or other colors), and you can actually watch these proteins being transported around.
But that's still not quite at the atomic level...
 
I can't remember any of the details though, but I do remember that one of the results were that everything happening is really messy and things go wrong and then corrected all the time.
But that's the thing, if one can see it at an atomic level, one can also "debug" it :)
Until it's debug-able, something like medicine seems to me to me mostly ideas and blackbox testing.
 
There are many different levels of abstraction that you can work at. It's not that different from programming. I'm pretty sure that you debug Java programs without looking at the values of individual CPU registers.
And even me, who does look at the values of individual CPU registers sometimes doesn't get out an oscilloscope and look at the electrical pulses that get transmitted across the board (...usually, unless the problem is particularly intractable).
 
@CodyGray What are CPU registers? :D
..joke aside. I don't because I don't have to.
 
In case that's a serious question, CPUs have tiny little areas of memory (static RAM, or "SRAM") that hold values. In a 32-bit CPU, these registers will be 32 bits in size. You usually have somewhere between 8 and 32 of them. Machine code works directly on values in registers: loading from main memory to a register, manipulating the value in a register, and then storing from a register back to main memory.
But that's exactly my point: you don't have to. And biologists and doctors don't have to debug or understand things at the atomic level.
 
7:31 AM
Someone else is covering that. And if something goes wrong, I can find out if I want to. Which someone always does, and it gets either fixed or explained. If no one knew how registers work, it would be a lot harder to actually program anything. If would be like creating a language just out of observations on what happens.
 
And that never happens. Wait, no, it totally does.
We pathetic humans literally do not have a thorough, complete, comprehensive understanding of anything.
We just put things together in strange new ways and hope that they'll work. Sometimes they do. If not, we keep messing with them until we get them to work. Then we build up a whole mythology that explains why.
I mean, I guess you can just trust the electrical engineers to guarantee that the logical values get converted into electric pulses, transmitted over circuits, and then are interpreted correctly at the other end. So why can't you just trust the chemist who says that the organic reactions that cells depend on actually do work?
 
But if I want to find out to fix my gray hair I can try by applying stuff and see what happens, or.. if I could.. debuging it at the lowest level. If I could do the later, I'd probably find a solution much faster.
 
Oh, yes, probably. That's what molecular genetics aims to do. :-)
If we understand what genes are linked to what phenotypes, then we can manipulate those genes in an attempt to change those phenotypes, and thus reverse diseases/symptoms/whatever.
 
@CodyGray This.. is why we have so many useless debugging Questions here. People are figuring out (actually they're not :) their own programs by input/out :D
 
Yeah, that's true. Even when the tools are available to know exactly why something is not working, far too many people do not use them.
I find that especially frustrating. A lot of what I do at work involves debugging embedded systems where there isn't a debugger. Until you get the initial bring-up done, which requires that every subsystem work correctly, there isn't even a debug console!
 
7:38 AM
@CodyGray So now we get back to "seeing" single atoms. If I could just see them. I could take any cell, have it do it's thing while recording it, and then I could find out exactly what it does :)
 
So why, when you have all these fancy tools, do people not use them?
 
Actually.. I don't use a tool, other than printing to the screen :D
 
@Scratte Zettabytes worth of data later, the recording completes and Scratte sits down to analyze it.
 
@CodyGray The amount of data isn't a problem, if I can isolate the part I want to see. That's how.. google works :)
 
@Scratte Only if you know what part you want to see!
What atom(s) are involved in the thing you care about?
I'm not sure that atoms are annotated with keywords. Google might be powerless here.
 
7:41 AM
I'd probably go to a problem and reverse the playing of the "tape".. :)
 
Mhmm. And with many billions of things happening every microsecond, I'm sure you'd have no problem finding exactly the events you're looking for. Even if you could isolate it down to the microsecond.
 
But of course I need to start somewhere. So first I need to find out what makes my hair gray in color, and then isolate that.. and reverse the tape.
 
Too much information when debugging is almost worse than no information.
 
I wouldn't today. Just like nobody could find exactly what they wanted to in a library in seconds 50 years ago :)
 
Right, so, the first task would be coming up with analytical tools to find the information you wanted.
 
7:45 AM
That's the chicken and the egg :)
Can I find a tool to analyse the data without having any data?
 
Interestingly, what we're talking about is a big divide in the field of biology, actually. There are folks like you who are systems biologists. They want to use computational and mathematical analysis to model complex biological systems. They want to use a holistic approach to understand everything that is happening, no matter how complex.
The other side are the reductionists, who want to tear everything apart and understand it in isolation.
Which is basically what scientists have been doing for centuries.
 
I'm not one of those. I'm both at the same time.. :D
 
Hahaha
Absolutely.
Why have one thing when you can have everything?
 
That's my point, yes. I want everything so that I can isolate anything :)
 
While I am convinced that, although you say this, you do not practice it even in your own discipline.
 
7:50 AM
If I don't have everything, I may be missing the connection or the crucial bit..
I do not practice it at all, because there's no time to do it. I can't understand everything and I can't collect every bit of information just because it may come in handy later on.
 
Computers are made up of atoms, too. Do you really want to know what every atom is doing?
Ah, yes, and then there's the time concern. Another significant constraint.
So instead of being paralyzed and doing nothing, we just try to do the best we can with our limited knowledge.
 
Being paralyzed and doing nothing is never good. Unless you want to avoid getting a ban on Stack Overflow :D ..not a general one, but something like a review ban.
 
It's the only sure-fire way to avoid hitting a rate limit.
It's also the only sure-fire way to avoid doing anything useful.
 
That's always true to being paralyzed, except in sci-fi movies where the enemy can only see movement.
I meant to ask you something about deleting and undeleting own posts, if you don't mind.
 
@Scratte Sure, what?
Yes, the enemy can see when you do that.
 
8:00 AM
Heh.. I didn't find any enemies on Stack Overflow :)
We were trying to find out under what circumstances a user can undelete their own Answer.
but.. we weren't sure if there were a difference if >20K were involved. And if so, if the numbers of them changed the option. And also if one can't un-delete just by the click, than how many votes are required.
 
If you deleted it yourself, you can always undelete it.
If a moderator deleted it, you can't do anything but beg a moderator to undelete it. (Community is a moderator, so this applies to red-flagged posts, too.)
If the community (trusted users with delete vote privileges) deleted it, then you can cast a vote to undelete, but it takes multiple votes to actually undelete it.
 
Dharman created this post for clarifications.
 
The number of votes required to undelete is not dependent on the rep level of the delete-voters (diamond moderator is not a rep level). However, it is complex, and depends on the score of the question and probably some other factors. I don't know the formula.
Oh, you're talking about "recommend deletion" votes.
Yeah, I don't know anything about that, really.
 
(side Question: Is there a rule that a moderator cannot use the username: Community?)
 
@Scratte There is no such rule. I don't know if the system will block it if we attempt to do that. I suspect not.
There...aren't a lot of rules.
 
8:06 AM
@CodyGray Yes. In combination with Delete votes. It gets messy fast :)
 
A lot of it is Jeff Atwood trusting people not to do stupid/inappropriate things, knowing that if you were to be caught, you could be stopped and punished.
I'm considering trying to rename myself to "Community" as an April Fools' prank sometime. Or maybe Halloween.
 
With an increase in users that trust is bound to be broken..
 
I saw that discussed a while back in SOCVR, and stored it away in my brain as a fun prank.
@Scratte That's what we have moderators for. And why we've had to add things over the years to stop them.
Atwood was a firm believer in rate limits, though, so everything is and always has been rate limited.
It's why you can't flag more than 1 comment every 5 seconds or whatever it is.
And why you curse every single time you try to flag more than one comment.
 
Well.. about the deletion. We had (I'm not sure if it's still on the table, but I think it is) a plan to send Answers to the LQP queue and have it deleted with varying numbers of recommend deletion and actual deletions, and then see if the owner can un-delete the psot.
But since the actual un-deletion sends an auto-mod-flag, we'd like a moderator to be present during the test.
 
Users are allowed to delete their own posts that have been deleted via review by "recommend deletion" flags, but moderators are notified of this so we can step in if necessary and perform a binding deletion.
 
8:13 AM
@CodyGray The post was closed with this one as a duplicate.. and found to not be one, so reopened.
 
What part is not answered?
 
I believe it was: Review ends with a mix of 1 or 2 delete votes and recommend deletion votes
 
I'm 99% sure that's not sufficient to prevent single-vote undeletion by the OP.
It's not enough "real" delete votes.
 
I believe Jon Clements joined the conversation and confused us ;)
 
(For what it's worth, and surprising as it may be, I agree with animuson's observation here that most of these OP-undeleted posts that I review in response to an auto-flag shouldn't have ever been deleted from review in the first place.)
 
8:17 AM
It was initially started because of a post that was undeleted, by votes. However it seems that the user had tried to undelete it, but without success and that there shouldn't have been a problem because there weren't enough real deletes on it.
 
Do you have a link?
 
I will certainly find it :)
This one is when Dharman posted about posting on meta. The conversation is both before and also after this..
The actual deleted post is a little more tricky, since the request had been been moved, but I'll get here :)
This is the request. I believe there's a comment on the answer itself, that pkamp wanted to have removed after undeletion had taken place.
 
Yeah, I see he raised a moderator flag to that effect. Good on him.
Anyway, that doesn't motivate Dharman's question at all!
It did end up in the LQP review queue, but that review was "invalidated". No decision was ever reached. It definitely wasn't deleted by reviewers.
 
8:34 AM
Perhaps I'm confused about which post it was about then.. was this one deleted twice? Once by owner that then un-deleted it and then it was deleted again?
 
Nope. Only ever deleted by the OP, and then undeleted by pkamb, Machavity, and myself.
 
My apologies.. I'd to find the actual post then :$
Seem to be this requst. Dharman did an analysis here
 
OK yeah
Fun fact: it was twice used as a review audit, once in First Posts, once in Late Answers. The audit was failed by one reviewer, but passed by the other one (who votes to delete everything....)
 
Wait.. what? How is that reviewing?
 
@Scratte No, it's not. I recognize the user name.
 
8:46 AM
Ahh.. ok :)
 
What I'm having a problem with there is when the OP cast that delete vote. I don't see an entry in the timeline for their having cast an undeletion vote after the "post deleted from review" event.
So I'm wondering if that "undelete" vote from the OP could possibly be a bug... maybe it was left hanging around from when they did the delete-undelete dance before it was deleted from review.
 
If it's a bug.. then no wonder no one can make out the rule that covered this or how it happened. It's almost like finding out what happens in a human cell :D
 
Yeah. Here's the mod timeline view: i.stack.imgur.com/x7TFH.png
There's no sensitive information there.
But mods can now (it's a fairly recent feature) see who has cast delete/undelete votes, and when.
Either it's a bug that the OP's undelete vote was not properly cleared when they successfully undeleted the post, and was thus still hanging around, or because showing delete/undelete votes to mods is a relatively new feature that did not exist back in 2016, their undelete vote was not even tracked and thus not available for display to us in the timeline.
 
I would assume you wouldn't share sensitive information :)
 
Reassuring myself :-)
I actually compared it against the anonymous timeline view. It's surprising how much information is revealed there, actually.
 
8:53 AM
I'd love to have this level of information on timelines, though I'd be a terrible moderator..
 
Yeah, looking at this... You can see the daily summary of votes from April 11, 2016. There's a delete vote and an undelete vote both cast on that day. Well, obviously those were from the OP, who deleted and then undeleted his own post.
 
@CodyGray Yes, but I like it. I look at timelines all the time. I was so happy when I first discovered the little link from posts :)
 
If the OP had cast a second undelete vote after the post was deleted from review, there would have been two undelete votes on that day.
There were 2 undelete votes cast yesterday. Those are from rene and pkamb.
 
It's unlikely to be a SQL error. It's too complicated to only fetch one row from a particular day.
 
No other undelete votes were cast on any day in between.
No, it's not going to be a SQL error, because the other daily vote totals are working.
More I look at it, more I suspect that the undelete vote from the OP was just a phantom vote sticking around, and that the OP never actually tried to undelete it after it was deleted from review. That attempt to undelete it almost certainly would have gone through.
 
8:59 AM
I would assume that if a user deletes their Answer while it's in the queue, it's kicked off the queue.
 
For LQP? Yeah, pretty sure.
 
So a delete / un-delete action from author could preempt an attempt of having it deleted.
but if it's then deleted from review hours later, it's a bit of a signal to just accept defeat.
so I'm sure you're right, that they never actually tried to un-delete it again themselves.
(if.. they ever meant to circumvent the deleting by queue in the first place)
 
Yeah, I'm actually not sure if that's a viable strategy to shake off a review task.
Importantly, it hasn't been a major abuse vector, or I would know about it.
 
I'm sure it is.. I've had to ask other to flag as NAA due to this.
But I have cdo or something.. so I check to see that my helpful NAA flags come up pink.
 
9:20 AM
I need a user script that instantly changes all uses of "folks" to "people"
 
@Scratte Why would you ever want such a thing?
 
I find it to be the most annoying word. Like "peps". It just makes me instantly want to downvote the entire post no matter rest of the content.
 
It's "peeps", I think.
Which I also find annoying, unless it's the delicious marshmallow candy.
Hmm. The downvote instinct is curious. Shog9 and I both use "folks" a lot...
 
Ahh.. yes, Peeps.. "Hi y'all folks in here! ..blah peeps blah.." urhg!
If you mean people, then just say people.. :)
 
"Hiya folks!"
I don't do "hiya"...
But I was raised in the southern US, so "y'all" is definitely a thing I will say, even though I don't type it.
The thing is, saying "people" multiple times gets boring and repetitive. So you want to break it up, and you need other synonyms.
 
9:27 AM
I'm not a "common person of a society". I'm an individual person, that's part of the people :)
 
Volk != folk
 
I've accepted I'm part of "folks" ever since Looney Tunes
 
Unlike Volk, folk doesn't imply a society or ethnic group.
 
The word makes me think of W. Bush and a lot of killing. And it gives me the impression of wanting to "lower" the conversation to the common denominator in an attempt to reach the stupid people too. Without giving it away, that is.
 
The word "folk" makes you think of a lot of killing?
Wow.
 
9:30 AM
Definition of "folks at duckduckgo"
 
Ducks don't know definitions
 
@CodyGray :D
 
> noun Informal People in general.
This one
 
@CodyGray The word came up a lot during the reaction to 911. It's just burned into my head along with oil, torture and a lot of killing.
 
It is unfortunate that all of Texas gets lumped in with Dubya's awfulness.
It is more unfortunate that that is an accurate stereotype of most of Texas.
 
9:33 AM
It's also unfortunate that the swastika got lumped in with the awfulness in Europe, but I doubt we're getting the sun back ;)
@CodyGray lol!.. I'd never actually say that, but I went there once and I'm not coming back.
 
Oh, did you? Which part?
I can say it. I was born there and lived there most of my life.
 
Houston once for a few days. I found it very.. gray <- colour gray, not cody gray ;D
 
As in... weather? Like dreary skies?
Because that's not Houston's normal weather
The normal weather is hot and muggy. And hot.
 
I like hot and muggy. No, the colour of the city, the driveways, the surroundings.
 
Oh, lots of concrete? Indeed. It's a large city. That's the same as all large cities in the US.
 
9:38 AM
@VLAZ That makes it sound like an acceptance from a sort of defeat :)
@CodyGray We have concrete too. It just doesn't look so.. gray
 
I'm wondering if "Looney Tunes" was a metaphor for the Bush administration, or if he actually meant the Warner Brothers cartoons.
@Scratte Why not? Do you dye it a color? I hear you like hot pink.
 
That's what I meant
 
@CodyGray The hot pink is really mostly a joke. Don't tell anyone, but I'm back to a lighter and bold blue. "♦ Cody Gray" in hot pink just isn't very.. compatible.
 
I certainly hope you didn't learn grammar from this same source. Note the missing comma!
@Scratte That's true. Diamonds are supposed to be...clear. Try that for a while?
 
It's also a capital F in folks.
 
9:41 AM
@CodyGray You mean: Lets eat grandma? <-- insert comma
 
Correct.
 
is there a ' in lets? let's looks off.
 
I have a t-shirt that says that. "Commas save lives." and then it gives the example of eating grandma.
@Scratte Let's => let us. The apostrophe is because it's a contraction of two words.
Lets is also a word. It means something different.
 
@VLAZ That's looney tones. It's not a post on meta discussing politics :) Or a speech about how invading a country is a really good idea.
 
e.g., "Cody lets grandma be eaten."
 
9:44 AM
@CodyGray Ahh.. so let's eat grandma can only really have a comma after eat?
I mean, is this valid: Let us, eat grandma?
 
Correct. If you're addressing somebody, you put a comma before their name, title, whatever you call them
 
@Scratte No, that's not valid. The comma has to go after eat.
"Let's eat" is a complete sentence.
 
@CodyGray So, there's only one way to save a life :D There are variations where the comma placements determines the result. Execute not innocent.. oops.
this sort of makes more sense in danish, where the "not" is generally placed before a verb, but after a noun.
 
Same in English, at least in this case: "Let's not eat grandma" (implying we should eat something else other than grandma) vs "Let's not eat, grandma" (implying grandma should starve along with us)
 
wait.. I'm getting confused about the latin definitions words.. I think I meant verb and adjective :)
We will say eat not. Not green.
So we won't say "not execute", we'll say "execute not".
 
9:55 AM
Right, that makes more sense. The other Germanic languages like to put the "not" later in the sentence.
 
But I did notice your and Shog9's use of "folks" ;) I have been very disciplined in not outright downvoting posts just due to the word. I'd prefer a user script though.
 
A user script that automatically downvotes posts using "folks"?
 
Changes "folks" to "people", I think
 
@CodyGray I like your auto-bad-assumption here :D
@VLAZ Yes, thank you :) I'll even add in some changes from "y'all" to "all of you"
and updation to update ;)
 
"Y'all" doesn't mean exactly the same thing as "all of you".
 
10:03 AM
Thankfully no, it doesn't :)
 
10:50 AM
Replaces "folks" to "people". Decided to give it a go for fun.
 
@VLAZ Oh!.. Awesome! Thanks. I'll go find posts to try it out on :)
 
I tried it here (a post) and here (search page)
Also, it's once on page load, so updates to questions and loading comments will not trigger it.
For now.
 
I tested it on the thank-you post :) It works! :)
 
Yeah. The word "folks" is what's wrong with the "thank you" post.
Problem thoroughly solved.
 
I'm glad to be of service! :P
I know it's not a bit thing but I wanted to see how you'd do replacements in a page. Also, Scratte benefits.
 
11:02 AM
@CodyGray I see a display of sarcasm that far outdoes the emoji-post there :D
 
There's plenty more where that came from. I can do more than just delete your posts. I can drip sarcasm all over them.
 
^ + 1 Just noticed that. Still a long way to go for Thanks to hit #1, though.
 
I suspect it will not get there.
By the way, looking the top voted questions actually look really bleak. It's resignations, closing of documentation, and mod election results. An uneducated user would think we are really happy with those. Well, the mod election results and (at least for me), documentation were good news but still.
 
Ordering the questions "by vote" is not that obvious, though, so maybe by the time a 'new user' has figured out how to do it, they will understand a bit more about the background?
 
That is indeed a fair point.
Heck, even getting to the screen where you can order by vote requires some expertise.
 
Is it the time of year to get effectively unanswerable questions from total beginners to programming? I've stumbled across two out of two in the last two C questions I looked at. I don't like to add comments like "Maybe you should read a good book..." (as many do) ...
 
12:20 PM
I thought the time for that was around September
 
It's the right time of the year.. two days before finals :D
 
Maybe Plague-induced attempts at self teaching?
 
I'm thinking about posting another sarcastic answer on the thanks-post.
What's the penalty for doing so? I like to be informed before the fact..
 
It might be deleted by a CM.
 
apart from that :)
 
12:28 PM
I don't think they'd deploy the ninja squirrels if that's your first infraction.
 
Ninja-squirrels? You mean a private conversation with a moderator?
 
as far as I know unless you do something crazy abusive a warning comes before a suspension
 
No, SE keeps a squad of ninja squirrels who they dispatch to deal with "troublemakers".
More seriously, though - I don't think there would be a big problem. Unless you get into the habit of leaving sarcastic answers.
 
@AndrasDeak Hmm.. I didn't get one yet, and I did contribute to the now deleted post.
 
contributing to a deleted meta post is not an offense
 
12:31 PM
Sarcasm has now been banned on Meta. That's the fifth feature y'all were looking for.
 
Is there any aging away on a warning, or will it come back to haunt me in 2026 when I post my second sarcastic post?
 
sarcasm is a form of humour, which is not welcoming
 
y'all.. I need the user script to work on chat :D
 
@Scratte There is a well-established system for aging-away warnings. It's called "Suspension."
 
@Scratte I doubt it would be a big problem. I imagine you might get some trouble if you post answers that get deleted to most announcements. If it's, say, one a year that doesn't seem abusive.
 
12:32 PM
I see. This isn't looking very promising..
 
@Scratte On it.
 
@AndrasDeak How come you spell "humour" the British way but "offense" the US way?
 
@VLAZ That wasn't a work order :) It was a joke :)
@AndrasDeak Do I need to welcome Stack?
 
@Scratte Look, I was wondering whether to expand it to all pages and now I think I'll do. It's just modifying the include rules.
 
@AdrianMole because I was taught British in school but see and hear American most of the time online, so I get confused and I'm too lazy to look these up. There are also things like "visualize" which I know is the US version but "visualise" just looks wrong
it usually depends on my mood which one I go with
 
12:35 PM
I understand visual-ise, but I don't understand prom-ise
 
Words ending with -ise/-ize are trickier. There's a thing called (IIRC) Standard Oxford English, which generally says that what the 'common people' use is, by definition, wrong.
 
@Scratte Is that a joke? Promize is not a thing.
 
Analyze or Analyse? (My in-built spell-checker doesn't like the former.)
 
same category
 
@AndrasDeak Actually it was, but it wasn't about the s versus z :)
 
12:38 PM
Hello Folks (test)
It works!
 
is it different when someone else says folks?
 
So when I write people it changes it to people?
 
@AndrasDeak yes (I think)
 
neat
 
12:41 PM
I hope you asked what I think you asked :P
 
I should've gone for the reverse :P
 
Updated the script you can also just do a manual update.
 
What would you script do to/with Suffolk?
 
nothing. The rule is /\b(f)olks\b/ig
So, it won't even touch "folk"
 
Ah well. Many of us here have been wondering what to do about Suffolk for many, many years.
 
12:45 PM
OK, I'm trying to think of a word that includes folks in it but I'm drawing a blank.
 
I can't even see my own folks anymore :)
 
:D
 
folksong.. good, that's still what it's suppose to be, since peoplesong is kind of weird :)
 
Should be peepsong?
 
lol!.. I can't remember. Is the \b is for word boundary?
 
12:49 PM
Yes, so it only matches it if it's not surrounded by other words
The only problem you might have is if it's all caps - then transforms it to only an initial uppercase, the rest is lowercase.
FOLKS is in all uppercase
 
I can live with that. If anyone writes folks in all uppercase, I assume there are more issues with their post.
 
That's what I figured, I couldn't be bothered to make it match the complete case. It only matches the case of the first letter folks and Folks
 
hmm.. so that's the i? it only applies to the capturing group?
 
i is for case-insensitive, so it matches all cases. The capturing group extracts the first letter and I'm just checking if it's a capital or not and then make a matching "p" or "P" for the replacement.
 
Oh, ok. Thanks. I do usually paste then into an online explainer, since regex was made to make people mad and bald.
 
12:55 PM
Hey, I don't claim to be sane!
 
I'm already mad, so I'm very afraid ;)
If this gets around one could have very interesting conversations on chat.. "But that's exactly you said, see <ref to chat>". What are you talking about, it's plain as day that I said: Rullepølse :)
 
I personally disabled the userscript. Enabled it for testing but I prefer to just see the raw text myself.
 
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