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2:34 AM
Welcome to the ISO proposal review room! This is intended as an easier alternative to email for providing feedback to draft proposal papers. I've seen a lot of downloads on papers I've written, and strong opinions about them, but not many emails.
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These papers are submitted to the standardization committee for C++. If accepted, they become part of the language. They are supposed to clearly describe how a feature should behave, and they should be convincing as to why it's a good idea.
If you have your own proposals (suitable for ISO), post a message and be sure to ping me ("@potatoswatter"). I'll pin the message to the sidebar for all to see. You will get a StackOverflow notification when someone pings you, even if you're not still in the room.
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Movable initializer lists proposal is complete! PDF.
 
3:08 AM
Proposal to fix dangling references with range-for and get rid of const accessor function boilerplate is mostly rewritten. PDF.
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10:07 AM
Proposal to "fix" fold expressions, version 2. PDF.
 
@Morwenn Have you talked to Richard Smith about this?
 
@Potatoswatter I have talked this through with Richard Smith, Andrew Sutton and Jens Maurer.
 
D'oh, you said that at the bottom :)
 
From what they told me, during the previous meeting, at there was at least one vocal suggestion that we could improve fold expressions to have default values for empty parameter packs in more cases. This revision mostly talks about why it's not such a good idea.
By the way, what was the problem with std::initializer_list<T&&>?
 
@Morwenn It confuses nearly everyone. Even Bjarne thought it would produce move_iterators.
@Morwenn The text of your proposal looks pretty good and clear, but I think the introduction could be tightened up a bit. It shouldn't reference N4358 so heavily; try to summarize the contents and then mention at the end that it's essentially the same conclusion as the previous revision.
 
10:19 AM
@Potatoswatter It makes sense somehow. I don't like having several names for initializer lists, but I guess that it's the direction that the committee will choose.
 
Do you need a presenter?
 
Jens Maurer presented it last time. I don't know whether he'll do it again in Kona, I didn't get an answer.
@Potatoswatter I know what you mean. Unfortunately, I submitted this version as you see it like 3 days ago :/
 
@Morwenn If they expressed interest in further discussion at the last meeting, then you're probably not at risk.
@Morwenn Ah. Did you already get a reply? Last one I submitted, I had to paste in my own document number.
 
@Potatoswatter What I've been told is that they recognized that there was a problem bu didn't like the solution. On the other hand, Jens, Richard, Andrew and me agreed that the other solutions were not better. So... nothing new, the paper only explains why. I don't know whether it's going to convince people.
 
Either way, you can probably resubmit if you really want.
@Morwenn Dropping names of popular expression template libraries should go a long way. If the defaults don't fit in the big real-world use cases, then they're a bad idea.
 
10:26 AM
@Potatoswatter No, and yes, I'll have to paste the document number by myself anyway. I guess that they won't go against a small rewording of the introduction/conclusion if I do so?
 
@Morwenn Nah, the door's open.
GTGā€¦ dinner time. Good luck!
 
Thanks :)
 
11:04 AM
Room++
 

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