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5:41 AM
@SardarUsama Furthermore, some people use "tensor" to refer to 3D arrays (I suppose as a shortening of "3D tensor") in general, which is incorrect. This is because not all 3D arrays are tensors (a tensor needs to meet certain requirements, like invariance to rotation iirc).
 
 
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9:16 AM
@Dev-iL co- or contravariance :)
being tied to Hilbert spaces, mainly
99.999% of 3D arrays are not tensors
 
 
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2:57 PM
Are you guys saying you roll your eyes every time you hear about TensorFlow?
@Dev-iL invariance to rotation is not right, I think. I don’t know much about rendirá, but I have used the moment of inertia tensor, and that one is not rotationally invariant, it encodes direction.
Though maybe “rotationally invariant” means something else in tensor analysis, I’m not very familiar with the subject.
 
3:38 PM
@Dev-iL Furthermore, some people use "tensor" to refer to tensor-fields, mainly physicists and the like :)
 
3:50 PM
@CrisLuengo ugggggh
@CrisLuengo no
Tensors can be covariant and contravariant in their indices, describing whether the given index is transformed with the direct or inverse transformation under a transformation of basis on the Hilbert space. I think matrices in the usual sense are once covariant and once contravariant.
A proper 3-index tensor is tied to three Hilbert spaces, and if you do a transformation on either of those spaces you have to transform each index accordingly
@flawr not sure what a tensor field is
(other than tensor-valued functions in n-dimensional space)
 
4:15 PM
@CrisLuengo I may very well be wrong there. I know there are some invariant quantities, but I cannot explain in simple terms what these are... See also: properties of tensors on Wikipedia
 
 
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5:55 PM
@Dev-iL I wish mathematicians were able to explain things to me. I always feel I’m missing some fundamental secret knowledge that would allow me to understand the Wikipedia pages on math. :/
@AndrasDeak that’s exactly what a tensor field is. I’m a lot of disciplines of physics they refer to tensor fields as “tensors”. That was my first introduction to tensors. But of course, being in an engineering school, we didn’t get any of the mathematical definitions around tensors.
 
6:21 PM
@CrisLuengo well, in given context I might not frown too much at that. Calling a B field a B vector might be alright.
@CrisLuengo there's also tensors and tensors. When I say "tensor" I usually mean the practical, physics notion that I talked about above. Basically representations of linear operators on Hilbert spaces. But in the very first semester, in linear algebra, the lecturer went wild with formal algebra and defined tensors for us... it had to do with formal sums, and the vast majority of the course had no idea what that was about (myself included, even though I was always in the top bunch).
Years layer I learned about the physics meaning and that part all made sense. Then I went back to those first-semester lecture notes. Still zilch.
to this day I have no idea what that was about
I've since learned how our university works, so I have a sneaking suspicion that the lecturer (an expert in ring theory among other formally algebraic things) was asked to "teach the physicists some tensor theory", and this was the result
 
@AndrasDeak Similar thing happened to me in our PDE course... only years later I finally started getting a sense of what they were talking about there...
 
@Dev-iL Yeah, that would be normal :D
 
That was about the same time I understood what functionals were, and how they were useful... too bad this knowledge is lost to me now :\
 
 
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7:46 PM
I just have the impression that "tensor" is just another term like "category" or "monad" that never get explained properly (for most people), but still everyone ist alking about them as if they were some mystical creatures.
And I think another thing that makes them so mystical is that it is hard to draw pictures.
 
8:01 PM
@flawr yup
 

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