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7:39 AM
@AndrasDeak sometimes it feels like he's provoking frequently just to distract people from talking about his previous actions
 
@flawr yeah but it's not aboit trump
> The only other European signatory (apart from Belarus and Hungary) is Poland, where the constitutional court approved a near total ban on abortion on Thursday.
Shitshow
 
7:59 AM
It didn't surprize me a lot that Poland is among those
 
8:15 AM
@AnderBiguri huh that is interesting, I didn't expect that!
 
@flawr it's so sad
 
8:36 AM
@flawr yep, in PET, OS-EM is the norm in hospital machines, and I tend to use OS-type algorithms for CT, because they converge to an "approximate solution" decently fast, and with noise and physics we don't account for, an "approximate solution" ~ "solution"
ouch, didnt want to delete that
 
we love you anyway
 
but edit it
still half coffe in my hand, processing slowly
als, I am teachin in like 1h and I need to read a paper for it XD
 
@AnderBiguri and you still have time to waste here? :)
 
I need to slowly process that coffee :D
 
 
8:49 AM
hahahahaha
 
9:04 AM
(-: :-)
 
@flawr This guy keeps playing the most expensive or weird guitars he can find :-)
 
 
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11:00 AM
@AnderBiguri don't bet on it...
 
:( 2 weeks to go
 
11:51 AM
@AnderBiguri This is a tangent but it's actually in the Octave style guide to always use a space before function parenthesis (wiki), and it's perfectly valid MATLAB syntax — Wolfie 29 mins ago
wow, I hate that the prefered style is space before fucntion args
 
also that you can write matrices with spaces instead of commas
and you can mix them
 
anyone used lambda ?
 
the characer? λ ?
there it is
 
I have used multiple lambdas, but what exactly do you mean?
 
12:10 PM
@Hemant are you sure you want to be in the MATLAB/Octave room? We don't have lambdas, and what other languages call lambda, we call "anonymous functions"
Also:
Apr 4 '17 at 18:31, by Adriaan
Please don't use this room as a short-cut for asking questions. Before you post here, think about what'd happen when you post your question on SO main. If you expect downvotes or your post to be closed, it's probably not a good fit here.
 
@Adriaan clearly this is an octave user judging by the space before the question mark.
2
 
@Adriaan aws lambda. still thats not implement in MATLAB/octave :P
 
Its a dfferent technology. Potatoes are alos not implemented in MATLAB!
 
@flawr I'd say coming from a country that says Baguette baguette, as they're known to put glaring abysses in from of tall punctuation and propagate that into every other language they might learn
@Hemant So what is the point of asking us?
 
@Adriaan hon hon
 
12:14 PM
@Adriaan nothing wrt Matlab/octave actually. I wanted to name a lambda which automates put in DDB.
So was asking for a suitable name
 
@Hemant so again: why are you asking here?
 
Yeah my bad apologies!
 
We are the "Room to discuss MATLAB and Octave related topics"...
 
Sure
 
@Hemant I'm now curious, how did you actually find this chat room?
I'm asking because we frequently have people coming here asking about things that have nothing to do with matlab or octave.
 
12:29 PM
@flawr the room dos pop up in the "XX people chatting" panel on the side bar, especially if we have an active discussion with quite a few messages in a short time span. I can imagine people coming in through there
 
12:43 PM
@Adriaan ah I see
 
@flawr stackoverflow.com/a/64500283/5211833 same in this answer, and indeed: a tell-tale sign of someone being French
 
@flawr room name says CHATLAB and Talktave. So didnt thought much
there were more folks compared to other chat rooms :P
so i thought i would get answer quickly
:D
 
hehe fair. But yeah, I don't thin you will get any answer anywhere quickly, as chatrooms are not really for questions that much :)
 
Yeah..
 
@AnderBiguri yeah. Blame syntactical ambiguity I guess
@Hemant Also pro-tip: say that you're talking about an aws lambda. This might come as a shock to you but "lambda" generally doesn't refer to that.
 
12:55 PM
Yeah can understand.. many languages have their own lambda.
 
and they didn't start in programming
 
Yep
 
1:16 PM
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1:28 PM
disp([1+2,3-4,5*6,7/8])
disp([1+ 2, 3- 4, 5* 6, 7/ 8])
disp([1 +2, 3 -4, 5 *6, 7 /8])
disp([1 + 2, 3 - 4, 5 * 6, 7 / 8])
I mean I already gave it away, but can you predict the output?:)
 
well, yeah +2 vs 1+2
etc
 
super annoying for people not aware of it
@AnderBiguri got another one for you
disp(2/3\4)
disp(2/(3\4))
disp((2/3)*4)
 
but your are just playing with parenthesis here, right?
 
2/3\4 is ambiguous
So... yeah. All about precedence and evaluation order.
 
@AnderBiguri have you tried it?:)
 
1:37 PM
ah yes, the \ vs /
 
@flawr shouldn't the third one have \ too?
 
the \ is a very confusing operator I think
 
I was hoping nobody would realize there is a *
 
@flawr :|
 
yeah sorry that was a bad one
 
1:40 PM
zero is happier than one? disp( 111111 \0/ 111111 )
 
1:52 PM
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2:35 PM
@flawr That's not because you mix spaces and commas, it's because you don't use enough parenthesis there!
disp([(1 +2), (3 -4), (5 *6), (7 /8)])
Obviously!
 
Reminds me of, especially the last sentence:
6
Q: Why do the plus and unary plus behave strange in array syntax?

AdriaanFollowing this question on the plus operator I have a follow-up question. We know the difference between plus and uplus, and thus that 1+2 resolves to 3, just as 1++2 or even 1++++++++2. The strange thing happens in array syntax, consider this example: >> [1 ++ 2] ans = 1 2 % Two unary ...

 
@AnderBiguri I think this is to visually distinguish indexing from function calling. But it doesn't change the parsing, so you still don't know ahead of time if you're doing it right. It's a totally useless convention. And it's annoying AF.'
 
ouch that is even worse than I thought
 
Just as annoying as spaces before exclamation points and question marks !
 
@CrisLuengo I HATE IT I SAID
:D
just makes teh code looks super ugly
 
2:39 PM
Yeah, I like to give historical perspective where I can... :p
 
@AnderBiguri I agree. It looks like French, to which I'd reply "Mind your French, please"
 
: D
 
@flawr I had a lengthy discussion with the wife yesterday about the difference from a language perspective between Belgium and Switzerland. Coming from the border with Belgium, we both know the situation there and are always surprised that the Flemish and the Walloons seem to hate each others guts (or at least their language), whereas in Switzerland it seems OK.
I mean, in Locarno no-one hesitated to speak German to me, and all your national press conferences are held in three languages simultaneously, with the government officials switching effortlessly between the languages. In Belgium you'd have to make a Walloon prime minister in order to force them to learn Dutch.
 
I feel like if you e.g. try to speak german in the romandie you'll get a little bit less sympathy (and vice versa), but probably because for the most part because they are the first foreign language you're forced to learn in school each of those parts. But yes for the most part I think swiss people like to talk bad about the germans or the french more than they do about other swiss:)
 
When speaking to some teaching-colleagues of the missus, they mentioned that (at least in the Züri-suburbs) pupils aren't learning French as happily as they used to. Teenagers nowadays will confer with one another in English, rather than trying to understand the French of a Genfer friend. But hey, at least they speak to one another, which is more than in Belgium :P
 
2:52 PM
Haha indeed, I guess for many people nowadays english might be the easier choice just because you use it a lot more.
And as you said for most jobs at the Kanton or the Bund you are required to be able to communicate in at least two of these languages. And I think in most matters you're allowed by law to communicate in your native language (but you might get a response in a different language).
But it is funny that if a new bundesrat gets elected many times you see their language skills improve quite a bit over their terms
 
@flawr "native" being the three Amtssprache, Rumantsch is always mistreated (let alone the 2,5% of the population that have Serbo-Croatian as native tongue)
 
Well most people who speak rumantsch also speak one of the other languages very fluently.
 
@flawr oh yes, you should see the Belgian officials. The Flemish are forced to learn French at high school, but the Waloons not to learn Dutch. Thus Flemish ministers are capable in both languages, whereas a Walloon minister attempting to speak Dutch is horrific. You really have to make someone from Walloon prime minister for them to learn Dutch (Except Charles Michel, he was cool)
@flawr I can imagine it being lonely if you can only talk to 30,000 people ;)
 
@Adriaan they also refuse to speak to people that speak one of the other dialects:)
 
I heard that there are six Rumantsch dialects, and that the written language is a sort of middle-road between the six. And because it's not a perfect match to any of the six dialects, everyone hates it :D
 
3:01 PM
right, there was an attempt to make one official language (rumantsch grischun), but nobody was happy about that
(understandably so)
here a map where RG is actually taught in school (green) and where they still (or again) teach their local language
 
Apparently we had picked a very interesting valley to spend our holiday in (Averstal). Surrounding them everyone speaks either Italian or Rumantsch, but this particular valley was settled by Walsers, so they still speak Walser-German (all 250 inhabitants)
I had to call our hotel in Locarno, and given I don't know Italian, I started in English. The lady asked me then "Only English?" And I was very surprised to learn that her English indeed was rather poor, but her German much better than mine :D
 
In Italy? its common
Thats almost italy anyway
 
Italian speaking Switzerland
@AnderBiguri why do Italians speak German better than English? Except for Sud-Tirol of course
 
I dont think they do, in Italy in general
but they just have not bee n learning English solidly
maybe older people do, because they mostly went inmigrating to Germany
older generations in spain will speak much more French than english
 
Well, here I was surprised that everyone seemed to speak fluent German, but their English in general was poor. Considering most tourists in the Italian part of Switzerland (Ticino) come from the German speaking part I can imagine why though
 
3:13 PM
my whole family avobe 50 speak fluent french, and no english
 
yeah that is quite common
@Adriaan many parts of the "italian speaking part" also have their own dialects/languages, so again Italian is what they learn in school
 
they are losing that too
most young people don't really speak dialect
 
@AnderBiguri Same in the Netherlands indeed.
 
@AnderBiguri I think the Lombard-italian is still very common
but that is just what I know from a friend who grew up there, I don't speak any of that:)
@AnderBiguri what about basque?
 
 
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6:24 PM
@flawr still lost of dialect spoken
 

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