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01:05
I love the new contains function
If it's a character array, it casts it to String and then uses the contains method
MATLAB pls
:S
overheads are fun
01:25
this thread is fucking hilarious
that dude loses his mind as the thread goes on
:D
oh, broadcasting
*grabs popcorn*
> It's just a question of know it. For year you can add a scalar to a matrix, and this is well-defined . Do you prefer to have more restrictive size check and allow only to add two matrices of the same size ?
that's stupid twice
scalar+matrix is unambiguous, and matrices of different size can only be added if they are vectors (i.e. not really matrices)
his whole argument is really stupid, and the response by most folks is pretty reasonable
relying on an error is not a feature
and another one
he was relying on it for debugging, at least where I'm at in the transcript
(working in parallel with it...)
oh, even Yair chimed in
seems a lot like a circle jerk
two circle jerks in parallel, to be precise
> "Petr Krysl" wrote in message <[email protected]>...
TMW: Another user reported the same problems I described in my posts:

Michal Kvasnicka wrote:
I just tested may few years old matlab code package on R2016b, and I found the exactly same problem as Petr Krysl describe. The code produce completely wrong results because of no checking vector/matrix compatibility. The problem comes from wrong input data sizes. The problem can be very simple solved, but it is not simple to realize what is exactly wrong (in my case are input data stored and relatively complex structure).
wtf
how does working code break now, exactly?
or did we come up with examples that worked differently?
unless they're doing weird try-catch stuff
oh, that may be it
yeah, like I said above, they're relying on an error to catch something
for two vectors: try a*b; catch a=a.'; end or something
that's very unsafe
and inefficient (I assume)
01:39
like, I understand that it's an issue, but not nearly worth the level of chicken little that's happening
yup
@Suever that broadcasting post is sorely needed ^ :P
well, it's not SO, but sooner or later it'll happen
 
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10:12
@AndrasDeak I agree. Reshaping everything to column vectors comes naturally to you and me, but this is not the case for most people... Not everybody had Ray or Divakar or Luis as teachers.....
 
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12:28
wel those people suck :P
12:46
strfind instead of regexp is simpler. Don't encourage using regexp where simpler specializations exist! — Naveh 5 hours ago
lol
what a boob
nah, it's a male name
and I think his point is that regexp is usually very bulky, and often overkill when simpler built-ins are available
that's certainly true for python, I have no idea how slow matlab regex is
or how slow strfind is:D
13:05
Nonsense! I will defend regex to the death!
I could have sworn strfind was just a wrapper for regex but I must be thinking something else
If only MATLAB was as good with strings as Python :)
noob linking to their matlab central crosspost
@excaza but instead it's just the opposite...
Imagine all the egg on my face then!
I don't disagree that regex may be slower, but saying "never use it" is a really blunt statement
No, "never use it" is stupid. "Try built-ins when it's straightforward" is more like it:P
a lot of people consider regex to be the jquery of string manipulation
> puts away his jquery mug
I guess I'll have to profile it when I get to work
let me know how it goes, it could go either way with matlab
and I think even in python there are cases where a regex is faster
although str.__contains__ will always be superior
13:11
Yeah, I wouldn't dream of going with a regex first for this in Python
with MATLAB+strings, all bets are off:D
I'm also kinda hedging on the real query being more complex
@excaza well, as long as it's just substring search, and no patterns...
13:32
who the fuck upvotes this
down voted and close voted
@AndrasDeak 2 upvotes 3 favs?!?
it's at +2/-2 and 3 stars
must be friends
wtf
@AndrasDeak I need this too. Where should I start looking — A student 8 secs ago
I'm flagging that
@AndrasDeak member since today
e.g. classmate of the asker
13:41
or sock
rep from maths
both of them come from math.SE with association bonus
association bonus-?enough to upvote
but the other one has more rep than 101
yes, but they started with an assoc bonus too, only earlier
flag anyway, Bhargav is keeping the modflag queue to a minimum, clearing 400 flags a day :P
4!!11!!1 favourites
must be puppets
did you only flag the comment, or also custom flagged the post?
13:43
custom flagging the post
aight, thanks
flagggggged it
"A student" hasn't been online at math since Nov 2015
group of idiots or multiple accounts of the same idiot...
user135172 started posting after A student stopped posting
within 2 weeks (last post 15 feb 2015, first 24 feb 2015)
13:47
@AndrasDeak That's the wonderful cynicism I want to wake up to.
@TroyHaskin throw the last CV will you :P
@Adriaan Gods, I was just about to in parsing back up the discussion.
crap, we need more downvotes to get the roomba to do its job
@TroyHaskin you can always count on me:P
network is acting up:(
13:50
and pizza is only due in 20 minutes argggh
@AndrasDeak that an afternoon snack?
but of a weird time for dinner/lunch
I'm thinking of breaking slow right now.
what does that mean?
A spoof on "breakfast".
13:54
oh. :|
I see.
I like constantly subverting normal things to confuse people.
it was correct originally too:P
I was especially confused because I've been reading A song of ice and fire for a while (and read Tolkien before that), so I'm consciously aware of the origins of breakfast
Well, they may only be confused due to my subversion, so they may not be confused prior.
But they won't be confused due to subversion if they ... git it.
:|
Hg...
Subversion, Git ...
@AndrasDeak Mercurial?
13:58
yes:P
:D
Oooo, new sfdebris today. Awesome.
luncccccch be back later
14:19
*digesting*
Sounds great, keep us posted @AndrasDeak!
Your call is important to us, please hold.
14:43
lemme know when your flag gets processed @AndrasDeak. I'm interested in the results
okie dokie
still pending
it might get longer to handle, since I explicitly noted the connection with math.SE
post finally went negative though, so it'll be roomba'd in 9 days
> excaza, quick question, how big do you think you'll need your database to be?
um...big?
I have a lot of data -.-
make it webscale
14:51
@excaza large, preferably with an en-suit bathroom, outdoor pool and lounge area
@AndrasDeak we do have gov cloud...
not that I have any idea how to use it
We have one of those. Only accepts serial jobs; utter waste of money.
15:10
It could be useful if I figured out how to deploy our data processing stuff to it
then I wouldn't need a 10 pound laptop
4.5 kg is a lot
@excaza only 10 pound for a laptop?!? That's darn cheap
@excaza @TroyHaskin @beaker please sign this White House petition to make the Netherlands second "because we requested it": petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/…
:D
15:44
lol
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Q: How can we early detct melanoma disease?

Mohammad MohsinI want to implement melanoma detection using MATLAB .i searched Google but didnot find .Can anyone give me some projects source code?

...
IMPOSTOR
Jason Heine, Fort Worth, TX
9.8k 8 47 76
hehe, heine
Do you think this is too much:
this question gave me cancer — ballBreaker 14 secs ago
@ballBreaker LOL
@ballBreaker fortunately for you, I can detect that in MATLAB!
15:52
lmao :'D
@Adriaan flag helpful
Also, user#2 nuked from SO. But no rep penalties nor suspensions, so I assume they're just classmates.
This edit tho
> I have read many articles.this is my first project in image processing thats why i need some projects source code so that i can implement my idea
@ballBreaker Maybe this can be useful as a classification criteria. — mpaskov 2 mins ago
lolol
16:12
@AndrasDeak He's 50 miles from me... there can be only one...
I too need source code to implement my ideas. Where do I get that?
That's all programming is, right? Finding code on teh interwebz?
@ballBreaker Just call me chemo, cause I deleted it.
BAM haha
@gnovice and because I get deathly ill being in your presence?
@ballBreaker I guess maybe I do sometimes make people pull their hair out.
16:23
loll
So funny and so insensitive at the same time
lol
a match made in heaven
My sense of humor does skew a bit morbid sometimes.
Same here <3
Did you try putting function at the top? — Suever 3 mins ago
oh
that's the secret
16:37
it's these pro tips that really make StackOverflow useful
time to give myself a crash course in SQL
INSERT INTO excaza_brain VALUES ('http://stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/sql');
I also discovered another fun IT restriction
16:47
@AndrasDeak aight, ta
desktop shortcuts for apps they push to our machines require admin rights to remove
I have 8 shortcuts on my desktop now, I'm losing my mind
wow, microsoft sysadmins from hell
@excaza I can suggest you are a good sql/database book if it'll help.
open to anything :)
(sorry, that joke doesn't make sense anymore after the original comments were moved) :/
16:57
in Trash can, 18 hours ago, by utdev
Can someone suggest me a good sql/database book?
18 hours ago, by beaker
@utdev I suggest you are a good sql/database book.
ah, there it is ;)
Just for some context!
ohhhhhh
Adriaan did it again
keepin' chat clean
16:59
I might or might not have
Good lord
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Q: Can I decrypt a Bcrypt hashed password with werkzeug.security's check_password_hash

user3939059Is it possible to decrypt previously hashed passwords using: Bcrypt - $2b$12$ while using: from werkzeug.security import generate_password_hash, check_password_hash I am kind of assuming that if I can specify which hashing algorithm werkzeug.security should use to check the password, then it ...

18 hours ago, by utdev
Can someone suggest me a good sql/database book?
there you go ^
too slow :p
@Suever I have no clue what any of those words mean
Basically: How do I get a password back if I only know the hash of it
17:01
werkzeug is a python package-management thingy or something else pythony..... so yeah
Which for (what should be obvious reasons) is impossible
Yea I hate the name of that package
I can never spell it right
@Suever aint too difficult, simple German :P
Lol it literally translates to "tool"
import werkzeug as tool
17:05
I'm totally going to start doing that
:D
don't be a tool, use werkzeug
@Adriaan Ahh, Werkzeug... my favorite band.
3
I should write a python module and name it szerszám, just to screw with python2 users
@AndrasDeak you Hungarians have one weird language :P
17:16
@gnovice Is tool your favourite band?
They're unreal
wtf
I leave my computer for 15 minutes and they change how comments look on youtube
@ballBreaker doesn't really look different for me
@ballBreaker Yep, been waiting on another album for soooo loooooooooong...
@gnovice Yeah tell me about it.. <_<
I saw them on Acid
Would not recommend that
But yeah, I would say they're in my top 3.. too hard to choose between the three
One thing that I love about tool though is the anger, especially in their earlier stuff
It's gone from angry to complicated angry haha
@ballBreaker sooo...
Is that how it's looked for you ?
Mine was different before 20-30 mins ago
17:26
@ballBreaker That's a bold move, Cotton.
wait did I say acid
I meant shroomies
Still though..
@ballBreaker It's really close, but I'd say they're my fave. Up there with System of a Down, NIN, QOTSA, Dethklok, ...
Dethklok!
oh man
shame they never continued the series
17:29
I was going to say my top 3 were NiN, QOTSA and Tool
SOAD are a classic as well.. so good.. Dethklok I never really got into that much
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A: Find substring in cell array of numbers and strings

PURUSHOTTAMAz=cellfun(@(x)strfind(x,'dp'),mixedCellArray,'un',0); idx=cellfun(@(x)x>0,z,'un',0); find(~cellfun(@isempty,idx))

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Naveh, excaza, I want to thank you both for sharing your knowledge of Matlab features for solving this problem. However, I exhort both of you to respect the different merits of your answers. I find them both very educational. Simplicity has a great deal of merit, and for that, I thank Naveh. However, I know that all too soon, I will need to move regular expressions, and I appreciate the gateway code for me to do that, excaza. — user36800 11 mins ago
awhut
even I don't write comments quite that decadent.
17:48
ugh
grudgingly, strfind is faster than regexp @AndrasDeak
SAD FACE
17:59
String Query Benchmark, MATLAB (R2016b)
Cell Array Size: 60 x 60
==================================
Loop, contains:   0.00861 seconds
Loop, regexp:     0.00967 seconds
Loop, strfind:    0.00272 seconds
cellfun, logical: 0.02590 seconds
cellfun, isempty: 0.01447 seconds
cellfun, gnovice: 0.01888 seconds
@excaza awww:(
@excaza if you move something to "Trash can", I can move it back
it was just older timings
yeah I realized now
interestingly if you cast everything as a string regex and strfind are equivalent
just for the record
18:09
and contains gets faster
String Query Benchmark, MATLAB (R2016b)
Cell Array Size: 150 x 150
==================================
Loop, contains:   0.00380 seconds
Loop, regexp:     0.00405 seconds
Loop, strfind:    0.00405 seconds
cellfun, logical: 0.27663 seconds
cellfun, isempty: 0.21134 seconds
cellfun, gnovice: 0.09535 seconds
there might be some more conversions hidden somewhere
perhaps
er...the loops gain parity
I need to think before I type :p
C = repmat({string('adpo') 2134  []; 0 [] string('daesad'); string('xxxxx') string('dp') string('dpdpd')}, 50);
querystr = string('dp');
side-note, having to call string every time is supremely annoying :p
I'm glad they added double quotes in R2017a
@gnovice the cutoff criteria is dynamic
the source is open so you can see what it's doing
18:32
man, now I'm really curious about String's performance
@excaza ???
haven't heard that one
yeah, it's in the prerelease notes
> string Arrays: Create string arrays using double quotes
I want them to just nuke character arrays
Does MATLAB respect \n when in double quotes like Octave?
oh...sounds like more breaking than broadcasting:P
not sure, I don't have it installed on this machine
I'll check tonight if I remember
18:40
of course "asdf" is meant to break on matlab
 
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21:03
to the Americans here: I just had a brainfart: here in the Netherlands people are more and more forced to do stuff online (taxes, getting a new passport etc), which is becoming an increasing problem for elderly people. But what with people who are explicitly retracting themselves from digital lives, like the Amish? How'll they interact with the government?
I wouldn't classify that as a brainfart
@ballBreaker my brainfart only consider intelligent subjects
Presumably they just continue meeting with IRS folks in person
Usually a brainfart is when you can't remember something, or screw up a thought .. I think at least
They do have to pay taxes etc right?
21:08
They do pay taxes, yes
@ballBreaker that's your brainfarts. We all knew they aren't intelligent ;)
@excaza that's like 2 quid/month right
probably not, they have a lot of property and income
> In much the same manner, Amish may use technologies in certain situations, though they wouldn’t necessarily own those technologies, or use them in other circumstances, such as in the home.

Builders may use power tools when far from home and lacking any other source of power, an Amish office worker may have an internet account and use a computer in a non-Amish workplace, or a business owner may make use of electric lighting while running a market stand rented from a non-Amish person.
that's cheating
So they can use it to interact with the government?
21:11
According to my reading, they may.
> When you are attempting to remember something very obvious, someting that you know you should know. This feeling often leads to head banging and hair pulling.
> Amish see threats in technologies which provide easy contact with worldly ideas and values (television, automobiles), or those which may break down the family or community, by serving as distractions or eliminating the need of relying on others in one’s community. Amish also feel that certain labor-saving technologies take more than they give, robbing their children of the ability to learn the value of hard work, for example.

In some cases, after careful evaluation, consensus may develop around a particular technology, which may lead to its being adopted by the church district and incor
Ibid.
@AndrasDeak It's only cheating to you because you don't know the Rule Book nor need to abide by it.
I imagine the day when the Ordnung adopts cookie clicker.
 
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23:10
@Suever 100+ "upvotes" :-o
There should be a badge or simething :-P

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