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2:03 PM
Don't ray and Suever at least have the reqs for the election? It's not that high I think
the problem is the 10 meta posts I think. 80 edited posts, 80 flags and 300 votes is so easy that everyone here has that I guess
I'm almost at the required amount of meta posts
 
2:32 PM
@AndrasDeak my girlfriend just finished the Open Dutch cycling-against-the-wind championship; 8.5km against winds of above 110km/h :P
 
2:47 PM
There's film material of her heroics!
@ballBreaker
 
@Adriaan Somehow I find it hard to believe that wind is part of the formal definition of the event :)
 
3:03 PM
@Dev-iL it is; below wind force 7 the championship is not held, hence it is announced only three days in advance :p
We Dutch have strange hobbies
 
Well.. It sounds fun to me
Is it also rainy or just windy...?
 
@Dev-iL I think it's raining as well there.
brb, grocery run
 
 
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4:20 PM
@Suever The server is not responding... I hope ypu don't mind me bothering you again with this
 
4:39 PM
BTW why isn't this answer of yours accepted??
 
4:53 PM
@Adriaan just how long does that take?
 
@beaker fastest took 24 mins, the slowest, the missus, took 56 mins
 
i can't even imagine
 
 
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@Sardar_Usama interesting
well, I dislike having my time wasted, so I think I'll roll it back
 
it should be rolled back
 
done
I can't imagine they've got a question ban in only 2 days, but it's possible.
 
btw i wish he doesn't ask that as a new question :P
 
6:58 PM
yeah, i should probably be nice and mention that
okay, I played nice
 
:D btw i think he wants to use a symbolic variable
although he said he wanted to multiply a number
 
i didn't get that impression, but i guess it's possible
@Sardar_Usama This guy was in here earlier: stackoverflow.com/questions/40704615/…
Of course he couldn't talk because he doesn't have the rep, but apparently Iz urgent, Plz send teh codez.
 
7:15 PM
probably
btw that question was asked earlier and put on hold : stackoverflow.com/questions/40684286/velocity-vectors-in-3d
 
yeah, i saw your comment on it, which is why i pointed it out
you were right about the symbolic variable
 
7:35 PM
i am soooo tired of getting suckered in by these people who can't even be bothered to ask a coherent question and then want to get into a 300-message discussion where they still don't clarify what they are trying to do.
 
been there many times!! :D
@beaker btw does this remind you of someone? :P
 
Yeah, I know who you're talking about, but I think this one is different. It doesn't have the "I want all combinations that don't have 1101, or 110, or 111, or..."
This one would actually be an interesting question if they showed some effort
 
agreed !
 
8:04 PM
@Adriaan wow, that's crazy! Congratulate her for me
 
she didn't even finish last :D
 
even finishing last at something like that would be a feat
 
I might join in next year, it looks fun
@AndrasDeak She says Dankjewel, or Kiitos
 
8:24 PM
close enough:D
It's unfortunate you're being "strongly encouraged" (ahem, bullied) to delete this question, as it shows a very important difference between matlab and octave. If you had asked "why" instead of "how", you might have gotten the useful answer that matlab would give you an error message that your inputs are of the wrong type, whereas octave has allowed non-integer indices for compatibility with matlab in general (because wtf matlab) and that this can be turned off with the about-to-be-deprecated allow_noninteger_range_as_index function. — Tasos Papastylianou 22 hours ago
@Tasos I wouldn't call it bullying. I did hardly realize that this is an octave question, which is entirely my fault, and sorry about this to blue-sky. But there were three comments with two documentation links, to which OP responded "thanks, if you add this, I'll accept". OP didn't say anything about confusing behaviour etc, they just didn't read how rand works. This makes it RTFM in my opinion, which is not helpful for future readers. When I suggested self-deletion, I believe the question had 0 score. Now we can argue about it, have it closed, then roomba will eat it at -4. Who won? — Andras Deak 11 mins ago
I'm obviously biased so I might be wrong
however I CVed that question with no repro
 
 
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10:36 PM
There is no subtext, the syntax is wrong and that's shown by the documentation
There's nothing profound about it
 
yeah, I can imagine Tasos asking something deep about what he means, but this question isn't about that at all, as I see it
I'm not even sure what Tasos means, to be honest
 
plus it's wrong MATLAB syntax anyway
 
11:04 PM
@excaza Agreed, it's syntax that the OP misunderstood but didn't raise an error because of Octave indexing.
 
I still don't get where indexing comes into play in the first place
 
Ordinarily, the syntax rand(x,y,z) would give you an x-by-y-by-z matrix of random numbers
The OP was interpreting y and z as giving the range of values
 
that I get, but where's indexing?
 
it constructs the matrix with the index ranges (1:x, 1:y, 1:z)
MATLAB does not allow x, y, or z to be non-integer. Octave does.
 
Close this garbage please: stackoverflow.com/questions/40710417/…
not even a question in there
 
11:11 PM
@Adriaan "I am voting to close this question because Cool story, bruh!"
 
I'm inclined to comment "I need a coffee" but I don't
@beaker ah...OK
 
@AndrasDeak I was about to comment "I need a show of effort"
 
I think I get it, thanks:)
 
lots of questions without an actual question asked lately
 
easier to vote, at least
 
11:12 PM
@AndrasDeak I still don't agree with his argument, the OP clearly misunderstood what the arguments mean.
 
@beaker oh, sure:D
but I didn't even get how indexing appears in the argument
 
@beaker ? M = ones(3,4,5); M(1:2.2, 1:3.3, 1:4.4) works in Matlab (not sure if you refer to this), and in Octave
 
@LuisMendo The original was rand(3,-.01,.01)
 
@Adriaan The problem would probably be interesting if defined properly (can there be 3 equal values in a row?)
 
@LuisMendo yes.
 
11:17 PM
@LuisMendo That could still be done by z(~diff(z)) = [], right?
 
@beaker Oh, I see. And that works in Octave? :-)
 
All his questions are like this though; very limited to no effort, often not even a question asked just posting "I need this"
 
@LuisMendo No, it just doesn't error ;)
it quietly returns a null array
 
@beaker Yes, I was thinking along those lines
@beaker Oh. That's worse than erroring!
Care to file a bug report?
Wait, it works for me
Octave 4.0:
>> rand(2.2, 3.3)
ans =
   0.066593   0.199819   0.115138
   0.616376   0.210943   0.897668
 
It's expected behavior. It's for cases like rand(3, 1.5, 3.0)
yes, because 2.2 and 3.3 are rounded to 2 and 3
 
11:20 PM
I think that sort of make sense
 
-0.01 and 0.01 are rounded to 0, so a range of 1:0 makes null
 
rand(3,0,0) should be a 3x0x0
 
@beaker So, what it is that returns a null array? Sorry that I'm slow
 
^
 
if you put a non-integer double as index, you better know what you're doing anyway
 
11:20 PM
Ah, got it now @beaker
 
rand(3,-.01,.01)
 
Well, it makes sense: round to zero. Right?
rand(3,-1.5, -2.8)
But
also gives ans = [](3x0x0)
That makes no sense, no way
 
now that's weird ^
 
right, because the range 1:-1.5 has no elements
1:-2 has not elements
 
it shouldn't be based on a range:/
 
11:22 PM
@beaker Aaaah. So you think it internally uses range. Yes, could be that
 
it should be rand(n,m,k) --> double(round(n),round(m),round(k)) array
 
But, as Andras says, it's weird it uses range
 
@LuisMendo Yes, that was my underlying (perhaps incorrect) assumption
 
that would keep -0.2 and 0.1, but die for -1.5
 
it's too late to do MATLAB by now; I'm off to bed lads.
 
11:23 PM
good night
 
@Adriaan g'nite... dream of cycling into the wind ;)
 
@Adriaan G'nite!
 
it might as well be undocumented behaviour
 
well, according to Tasos, you can have that behavior in MATLAB too...
I don't have MATLAB to confirm :)
 
I don't care enough to check anything
I'm a bully, after all:P
 
11:26 PM
@AndrasDeak awww... here's a hug
 
oh, this is cool, i didn't notice this before...
Octave actually gives you a 3x0x0 matrix back :D
>> rand(3,-.01,.01)
ans = [](3x0x0)
 
what about zeros(3, -.01, .01)
 
same thing
 
so exactly like the documentation says :p
> The arguments are handled the same as the arguments for eye
 
11:31 PM
Octave documentation frequently annoys me
 
it's terrible
though tbh I think we're kinda spoiled by MATLAB's documentation
 
@beaker This supports your theory:
>> rand([3.3 4.4 5.5], [2.2 1.1])
ans =
0.68374 0.65802
0.91319 0.99921
0.66864 0.45167
"because" 1:[3.3 4.4 5.5] is the same as 1:3.3 (this part is documented)
 
11:46 PM
that seems convoluted, but reasonable ;)
 

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