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Hello everyone :-)
 
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Hopefully OP will move the answer to a question. stackoverflow.com/a/53612412/322912
 
 
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We are discussing a redesign of our internal R beginners course; one of the options on the table to go all in with the tidyverse. Any thoughts on that?
 
@Jaap Would depend on topics, I think
if you're doing data handling and plotting and such, it's a good option
 
@Axeman data IO, basic datamanipulation & some basic plotting for exploratory data analysis
 
@Jaap For data IO, I just teach fread. dplyr+tidyr is good for beginners, but you could argue they should know at least some base indexing and such. I don't see any reason to teach base plot anymore.
 
the idea is to start with tidyverse for the beginnerscourse; following the beginners course we are planning several additional modules to go into more depth
@Axeman yes, they should know some basics of course; what basics should they know too according to you?
 
7:30 PM
@Jaap Be comfortable with vectors of different types (especially factors can be confusing). Know about a matrix, but you can directly ignore all of that. Know about lists, but that is for a more advanced modules. Know indexing, really know [, recognize [[ and $. Know which. Know logical operators.
I find that a very useful thing to know is how to count using logical vectors, i.e. sum(x > 5), or proportions mean(x > 5). This is not obvious too many of my students.
 
nice to see some confirmation :-)
@Axeman that's indeed a good one too!
 
@Jaap I found that out in practice, when giving students exercises and 90% got super stuck on that (not even R beginners). But we use it all the time.
 
it's very usefull for checking assumptions (among other things)
 
7:47 PM
I would agree tidyverse is easiest for beginners
but they never be able to get out of there once they get it
 
8:11 PM
@DavidArenburg that's also my main doubt
 

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