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7:20 AM
GoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOd Mornin' neglecterinos!
 
Good morning
 
7:57 AM
magic Pumpkins or the magical secret of no belt
 
8:50 AM
@Squirrelkiller @Wietlol thanks for the comments.
 
tfw botler still down
 
tfw there's people in the chat again
Btw are you not working weekends anymore? I remember your weird schedule switching one weekend day for a weekday but this weekend you weren't here?
 
why didnt fix it
 
 
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11:32 AM
rip botler
 
11:55 AM
@Squirrelkiller Me?
 
I haven't worked sundays since I left my old job over a year ago
holy fukc it's been over a year since I quit
 
12:39 PM
It's quiet in here again
Hope you aren't all dying of heatstroke
 
12:52 PM
nah
 
@CaptainObvious why is botler not starting?
did you change it"s password?
 
hey it's not my fault
Blame @Squirrelintraining
 
I asked, I didn"t blame yet
also...
my keyboard language apparently changed, my accent characters are no longer mode shifts and... both apos and quot are quot keys
 
Did you press Win+Space by any chance?
 
[ctrl][shift] is the keybinding for langauge switch...
and it solved the problem
but I cant reproduce it
 
1:02 PM
@CaptainObvious is 2
@Freerey nah just no im ho
will be up by the morrow lates
 
how late in the morrow?
also, when will now ever be morrow?
 
wut
Getting Smiths vibes here, jesus
I'm glad they went to the trouble of remastering this video in high quality
 
Genius
 
1:29 PM
alt shift is the language switch
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;;;
 
rééêêèè
 
1:58 PM
David Gibson on June 22, 2022
The state of software development is…
 
 
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2:59 PM
anyone here ever made a view within a view in .NET MVC?
 
3:11 PM
@Feeds That was quick
 
3:24 PM
what they were interested in is rubbish
 
The funniest part of the survey was how much they were trying to push SO for teams
damn 25% of people spending over an hour PER DAY looking for answers/solutions
what the fuck are they doing
 
fucking about?
 
I mean clealy
 
prolly javascripters, you have to ask everything everytime
 
spoilers: they had the results pre-prepared 😈
 
3:30 PM
Wow, people who didn't have the internet to learn from and only had books didn't learn from the itnernet, and learned from books. WHO KNEW
 
Gender: Non-binary, genderqueer, or gender non-conforming: 1.67%
me: "those 1.67% do not adhere to ISO gender standards... they must be burned as heretics!"
 
this has been a lol wiet moment
 
Wiet's in here with the spicy takes
Interestingly, I think that category scored higher last year
 
the "Race and ethnicity" is also interesting...
but I wonder how the question was asked and what the options were
 
This just in: "Professional" coders who are studetns typically have less professional coding experience than most others
 
3:34 PM
considering
- European
- Asian
- South/North American
- African
are all options...
that means that all the others are from either australia or antartica... or from the ocean :O
 
@Wietlol The question wording is literally underneath the naswers. Also if you did the survey, you would also know
 
hmm... ~130% answers with an overlap ratio of approximately 200%
somethings fucky
 
in a "tick all the boxes that apply", there could be more boxes ticked (answers) than the number of participants in the survey
 
3:38 PM
there appear to be 130% answers to participants ratio
 
but there is an approximate overlap of 200% considering the average participant should have ticked 2 boxes
some more, some fewer
 
okay
I'm not seeing an issue
 
conclusion: participants were idiots not very smart :)
 
Or you're reading it wrong
Which I think you are
Because that makes sense to me
 
3:40 PM
or we have a very rare occurrence of very specific participants...
obviously I am reading it wrong... they wrote it wrong in the first place :D
 
Speaking of you also being dumb, the race/ethnicity question also makes sense
Because some answers are subsets of other answers
 
it makes sense, but the survey results of it doesnt
 
And then it entirely depends on how the person identifies
Liek I am White. And European, so I could pick either. Ethnicity & race are not geographical (although many of them are georgraphically derived)
Someone from SEA might not want to identify as "Asian", while rechnically being from Asia it might not reflect their views
See also: Carribeans vs Central America, Middle eastern vs Asia, Indian vs Asia, etc
 
if my parents were multi-racial and I was white and I was born in vietnam, I would choose
- white
- asian
- southeast asian
- multiracial
ALL OF THEM!
 
Sure why not
I'm just about to hit Technology, and I@m going to place my guesses
Top: JS/TS, Rust, Python
Most wanted: Rust, Python
Most hated: VB
 
3:47 PM
react appears to have jumped a bit since last time I checked
it is now the usage of vue and angular combined
and I love that ".net" is still considered a framework :D
 
Why is MySQL still top of the DBs
@Wietlol How isn't it?
 
why not?
 
Because it's garbage
MariaDB is better
ANd it's almost entirely compatible
 
@CaptainObvious none of the other languages consider the core library or sdk as framework
 
@Wietlol I don't get what you mean
 
3:48 PM
hmm... I thought mariadb was mysql
 
no it's a fork
 
ah
 
From a few years bacl
 
that explains why they are both on the list
but I think we use mariadb, but still call it mysql
 
It calls itself mysql for the most part
 
3:49 PM
just like how the older peeps at work still call it "the sql server"
which then leans to MSSQL
 
Flutter is at 12% hahahhahaha
I think the Async table would look very different if they actually included Azure Devops
 
> Worked with vs. want to work with
0% of kotlin users want to work with something else
well... guess I will wait for another year to look into new interesting things
XD
 
"PostgreSQL becomes the most loved and wanted database after five years of Redis being the most loved."
Calling redis a database was generous
 
(ah, there is a certain minimum for a connection to be made)
why dont they just graph it out in a table, much more readable
 
"18% want to use GCP" Nah that's bollocks
I really don't understand why docker is so popular
 
3:59 PM
I understand that I gave docker a try and will never willingly touch it again
this is interesting
 
I can't even find a sue case to give it a atry
 
last time I checked, VSCode was so horrible at the JVM stuff, autocompletion didn't even properly work (for example, it couldn't differ between static and non-static stuff)
 
VS code is horrible at everything that real IDEs should do
"hurr just use extensions" NO
It's absolutely terrible at .net work
 
COBOL having the biggest salary jump... I now know what my destiny is
> Version control systems
does anything other than git still exist?
 
I like how there's so many jump ships from java on that chart
SVN still exists
And somehow even SourceSafe apparently, a friend of mine has the displeasure of using it every day
 
4:03 PM
no link to C/C++/C# tho
I think Java'ers dont like that specific character
everything so muh nier in the Java Virtual Mahine
 
Java programmers wear glasses because they can't C.
 
if you can't C, glasses won't help
 
I like how Xamarin and .net are linked both ways but Xamarin has no other friends
Flutter is pretty much just a circlejerk
 
smaller groups suffer quite hard from the graph choice
"minimum 100 respondents per connection"
 
I'm surprised Rider didn't get a showing on the IDEs one
 
4:07 PM
if Xamarin is used by 2% of the total respondents, aka ~880, they still wouldnt have connections to anything even if all of them want out
> minimum 5000
each IDE would need at least 9% of the entire market
Rider has 5
compared to VS 32
so even though it has 1/6 of VS, again the graph just doesnt like it
 
I like how the blockchain sentiment for pros is slightly tilted towards unfavourable, and learners think favourable
Oh you poor souls
 
blockchain just isnt that great
 
I knoiw
 
it was highly overhyped and rose expectations of it that it just isnt meant to do
hence a backlash is expected
 
mfw 23% of "Just me" org people are hybrid workers
wtf
 
4:54 PM
posted on June 22, 2022 by Dante Gagne

Our accessibility journey in Visual Studio has taught us that developers love to customize their experiences to help them be productive. Some developers have been telling us that they want to use sound to help them understand what’s happening in their code. The post Listen Up, Visual Studio has a new feature you need to hear about! appeared first on Visual Studio Blog.

 
 
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6:50 PM
mvc is giving me so much trouble I'm almost wanting to go back to embracing webforms with open arms
 
7:06 PM
spa ftw
 
7:51 PM
In this post, what does the ".#=" mean in the stacktrace? Isn't # reserved for preprocessor directives in c#?
 
 
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