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1:29 AM
Anyone know where csc is located for C# 6+? C:\Windows\Microsoft.NET\Framework says it only goes up to 5.
 
1:47 AM
It's C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft Visual Studio\<version>\<edition>\MSBuild\<version>\Bin\Roslyn
Thank fuck for the where command
 
mr5
2:35 AM
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6:42 AM
@KendallFrey On a daily basics
...wait
good mythical morning
 
oha
ohayou
 
7:19 AM
@Kieran have you seen the new map? youtube.com/watch?v=kfVsfOSbJY0
also, we still have not played a single game.
 
7:32 AM
Hey.
 
ohayou senpai
 
Aloha.
 
@Proxy Those meshes and particles are so glittery!
!!giphy puke rainbows
 
@HéctorÁlvarez That didn't make much sense. Use the !!/help command to learn more.
 
mr5
Hector, do you use to work graphics framework before?
 
7:35 AM
well its pubg.... technical aspect of the game is not so good.
 
@mr5 what do you mean with graphics framework?
do you mean an engine?
 
mr5
I mean either, Unity, OpenGL, Vulkan, DirectX, ...etc
or the correct question might be, have you worked with those tech before?
 
Allegro, I've also tried Unity and Ogre but not to the point where I can tell you anything beside "we need more prefabs"
But mainly Allegro 4 and 5
because it went as low as putpixel, good for learning
 
@HéctorÁlvarez Is it true that Unity compiles C# to C++?
 
That doesn't make much sense to be honest
when you compile something, you create binary code
what you defined is more like "translating"
or migrating
 
7:44 AM
I should have said 'transpiler' but a transpiler is a source-to-source compiler. A source-to-source compiler is a compiler.
Back to the question
 
@MoonOwl22 No it doesn't.
 
@RoelvanUden though you did not respond to me yesterday :(.... i dont know what i did to you, but i will make some cookies. Cookies can fix any kind of problem, especially chocolate ones
 
@Proxy Sorry, I missed that entirely :D Again? :P
 
I don't know if it does any sort of translation, although it makes a lot of sense
C# is a high level programming language designed to unbind the programmer from doing stuff he doesn't really need to, and handles all the cranky stuff itself
 
7:48 AM
17 hours ago, by Proxy
i have a list with items and when i click on one of them i want to remove them. After that i want to update my state
but i have figured it out :)
 
C++ is also a high level language
You don't deal with registers or stacks in C++, do you?
 
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Unless you use inline assembly but is any assembly language a part of C++?
 
it may be considered as a high level programming language because it goes beyond machine language, and assembly as well, but those considerations are too broad
the 3rd generation is too broad to consider all those languages equal, while the 2nd generation only includes one family
 
Definition of terms first
A high level language is one that abstracts away the underlying architecture of the machine
A low level one does not
 
7:54 AM
@Proxy Ah, good, awesome :3
 
did you even look at what i wrote :D?
 
C++ allows for low level memory management, for example. You can optimize every single instruction by telling the processor he can borrow 10 bytes in memory, and use a specific range of memory addresses, whereas in C# you forget about that and just tell the computer what they have to achieve
 
How is it low level memory management in C++?
 
good morning :)
 
It's just manual but not low level in way
 
7:54 AM
morgen kleiner deustcher elf
 
wtf :D
 
You are not changing any stack pointer or frame pointer are you?
BTW, C# has pointers
And C++ you can also forget about that
 
you can do that in C++ if you want to
you can set memory values to a specific address
and then you start cursing in parseltongue when you get segmentation faults
fun fact, C++ code can overwrite the call stack and callback to a different code block
 
@Proxy Yeah, removing an item from state and updating react components. With mobx that's automatic ;P
 
im still on redux though :P
 
7:57 AM
Damn, rough!
 
@Proxy Hallo
 
Morning beautiful people !
 
@Metallkiller helo
what about us on the other side of the spectrum @Mathematics?
 
all in all you can manage memory in C++ whereas you can't in C#. You are also responsible for disposing the resources you don't want whereas you rely on a garbage collector in C# and trust it runs at the right moment
 
@Proxy You tell me the time I would generate the greetings ;)
 
7:59 AM
So it makes sense to do some magic behind the scenes and turn it into C++, so you don't need 2GB RAM to run Super Mario 1992 edition
 
@HéctorÁlvarez In a lot of other high level languages, reflection is used to do exactly that
Abstract is not about ease. It's about abstraction, nothing more
If abstraction was about ease, Haskell would be far much easier to use and learn than C#
 
Reflection can't modify the call stack.
 
Not in C#
But in some other languages you can modify the form of a function
You can change what parameters you have
Reflection in C# is a hack just like in Java
 
Java is a hack in its own. 50MB to make a hello world
 
The biggest problem I have with C++ is the fact that libraries are a nightmare.
No decent package manager.
 
8:05 AM
use a dependency walker
 
It's one of the things being discussed at the moment
 
@RoelvanUden Why web hooks would be better then signal R for my scenario, if you still remembering :)
 
there's no good way to manage libraries that I'm aware of
 
I've seen C++ mostly used to write libraries for OTHER languages
 
8:06 AM
@Mathematics You just need status updates for a completed job, not an active bi-directional instant communication channel. A lot can go wrong with the latter, most of which you don't want to deal with for just event delivery.
 
I need help in transferring an sql script to mysql using bash or batch. I've been seaerching in google but i can't make it work.
 
And they are written against the API of the runtime of the target language
 
tried restoring an sql file in mysql cmdline and it returns error about ASCII. the result is it is impossible to restore an sql script in mysql
 
Like, I want to install Boost and Crypto++, it's a real hack to get things ticking. I just want to go `NuGet Install-Package Boost CryptoPlusPlus' or whatever.
 
You have to read your compiler manual
@EarvinNillCastillo What does this have to do with C#?
Or any MS technology
@EarvinNillCastillo Where is the script coming from?
 
8:10 AM
@MoonOwl22 i think none. but i was just asking if someone is capable of doing it. im very sorry. i don;t know where to ask.
@MoonOwl22 bash script. simple bash script.
 
@RoelvanUden thank you makes sense
 
@EarvinNillCastillo You are forgiven
@EarvinNillCastillo Why is the SQL script coming from a Bash script?
Is it a string literal in Bash?
Because if you wanted, you could upgrade to Python. I'm assuming you are on a Unix-like platform
And have the sql scripts as seperate files in their own directory
 
@Mathematics The worst that can happen with a webhook is not being able to reach/deliver the event. So you can introduce a basic retry queue when this becomes a problem. Maintaining an active bi-direction instant communication channel with acknowledgements and retries is different cake. If you need it (e.g. you want to have events delivered to browsers too, or implement chat, etc), go for it, but do so knowing you'll invest more time in it for the extra options you'll get.
 
@MoonOwl22 i need it to execute it to a scheduler. I already achieved the linking server using sql management studio (free mode). The problem is i can't execute sql scheduler in management studio cus it isn't in standard edition nor enterprise. So I came up with an idea to execute it in bash script. Note: i just installed centos because some says it's easy to execute it in linux.
If im going to use pythong, would it be easier to communicate sql and mysql?
 
You didn't answer the question regarding how the scripts are stored
Are they stored as string literals in bash scripts
or they are stored as sql source files
 
8:16 AM
oh sorry stored as sql source files
 
@EarvinNillCastillo Never listen to anyone who tells you that something is easy
I'm guessing you want to execute all the scripts in mysql, right?
 
@MoonOwl22 noted sir. what should i do? my best effort is using sql scheduler but i can't used it due to free mode of sql management.
What the script will do: Gather all data from sql and transfer it to mysql.
everyday.
 
from sql server express?
 

SQL

Got a SQL question? Any SQL flavor here, just ask. Indicate yo...
you might want to try that chat as well
 
8:20 AM
And And there's SQL to fetch this data right?
So in that case
 
You can schedule with a server running a Python script
 
@HéctorÁlvarez thank you will ask also
@MoonOwl22 using python script will do right? thank you
 
github.com/PyMySQL/PyMySQL <<< another library you will need
@EarvinNillCastillo If you're going to be doing something like that, Python is well-suited
It's just a case of finding the right libraries and making use of them, and Python has a plethora of them
But don't forget to ask in the SQL room
There might be a standardised approach to solving this problem. Note: I'm not a DBA
 
good morning
 
8:29 AM
@MoonOwl22 yes thank you. will ask then will check on this python
 
@RoelvanUden Right...
I don't think we need real time events from signalR as some operations may take hours
I started looking into webhooks, there isn't much on internet like pluralsight, or channel9
Going to try this now
 
@EarvinNillCastillo Have you programmed in Python before?
 
@MoonOwl22 haven't
 
Sorry, I just assumed that since you were running a Unix-like system, you'd know Python. Which languages you are confident with?
 
php or .net
 
8:39 AM
@Mathematics Bro, a webhook is just a HTTP call. It's nothing special. You don't need any kind of special code or framework. Just do a HTTP call. That's it!
 
Because webhooks are a powerful tool, but most often used as webhacks
!!lenny
 
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
 
@EarvinNillCastillo Spend the time-being going through a crash course on Python
Python 3 to be specific
 
@MoonOwl22 i will study it.
 
8:47 AM
Once you get as far as decorators, you are ready to get working on your project
 
@RoelvanUden unfortunately I am new to web api as well, so basically I will have a method/action in a controller which will be receiving JSON data
that's really it
think framework will have things like security etc.. maybe making it easier for me
 
Probably not. Additional frameworks/libraries usually add more specific-knowledge and complexity. It's often better to stick the bare minimum and handle it yourself. In this case, why not use an ACL? Or if you're using a tracking id, make that a GUID and don't worry about security :-P
Or both!
 
@Mathematics do yourself a favor and set everything for custom routes, api parameters, etc. before dwelving into the actual code.
 
What if he ends up rewriting the framework altogether
 
He won't. This is a simple thing.
 
8:56 AM
I think I will go with the idea of having a single method for receiving data, as we move forward with requirements we can shape it as required as atm it's an initial design
 
9:12 AM
English question: "replacing x with y", what is the cureent.. x or y?
 
Not sure what exactly you mean @MohamedAhmed
 
I have always wanted to ask
Given that requirements are ever-expanding
How future-proof do you plan your code to be
Do you modify the code as you go?
 
I follow YAGNI
 
During my domain study, I found myself reading an entire encyclopedia on the domain so I organise my code so that I will just have to fill in the blanks should future requirements demand an extension
But I found myself spending a lot of time on code that is not directly addressing the problem at hand increasing the time to working code
 
And that's why I follow YAGNI.
YAGNI, KISS, and DRY are the 3 principles I program by.
 
9:23 AM
But there's this desire I have to write the most abstract code, package it and then just make the use cases applications of the abstract code
It seems when you look up the abstraction tower, not even the sky's the limit
 
Suppress it. Abstract code should add immense value to warrant its existence.
Otherwise, it's just over complicating your solution.
If I have to read 3 layers deep of abstract code to figure out your code, it's bad
 
I was reading topic: "Inlined execution of subtasks" in a book on Parallel Prog, by Colin Campell. It’s often the case that a task must wait for a second task to complete
before the first task can continue. If the second task hasn’t begun to execute, you might imagine that the thread that is executing the first task blocks until the second task is eventually allowed to run and complete. An unlucky queue position for the second task can make this an arbitrarily long wait, and in extreme cases can even result in deadlock if all other worker threads are busy. Fortunately, the TPL can detect wh
 
when you replace x with y. is that mean your new symbol is x?
sorry my english not helping in this!
 
@Proxy you are a piece of shit
 
@MoonOwl22 I tend to glance into the future and predict what would be feasible in the next 10 years, then choose whatever frameworks offer me the versatility I need, 1 month later the whole place is cluttered with rubble and turns out my predictions were so off I ended up with a completely different product
 
9:35 AM
I KNEW that it was going to be friday. I KNEW. @Proxy
 
JK, you simply ask for the minimum requirements and define the life cycle of your software, then provide for it until it's in maintenance and you start developing something new, hopefully recycling as much as you can
 
@RoelvanUden "If I have to read 3 layers deep of abstract code to figure out your code, it's bad" Unless it's functional
Surely?
@HéctorÁlvarez I hope this problem is being solved by some smart people right now
 
@MohamedAhmed It means you delete X and write Y. When you ask for X you now read Y instead
 
The idea that there's some object blueprint that everything else builds from
 
Do you mean a template?
 
9:38 AM
Anybody here tried to setup a GraphQL server with ASP.NET?
 
I am talking about type systems that based on inheritance such as Python's
Where everything inherits from the object class
Directly or indirectly
 
or a generic abstraction of an idea that takes form as provided by the functionality of the tools you specify?
 
Explain
 
if you talk about OOP specifically, you are defining polymorphism
 
Subtype?
 
9:40 AM
@MoonOwl22 Not really. It may be functional, but if it takes a lot of effort to understand what's going on, I'll continue calling it bad. Abstraction without actually using the programming language concept of 'abstract' is fine, because with proper naming, it's still readable. Abstract classes layer over layer? Terrible!
 
By abstract I meant conceptually
This is in the modelling phase
 
It all depends on how. :)
 
I will give an example
 
if you talk about something generic, like you would define in a deployment standard where the only variation is your implementation method, then that's some complex stuff
I'd venture guessing by the time you finally manage to implement your ideas they'll be outdated
 
@HéctorÁlvarez You know exactly what I mean
Trying to implement ideas
 
9:43 AM
but I'll always agree that a framework to automate any sort of task, be it scheduling the microwave to heat up your sandwich or deploying a full-fledged is a step toward the programmer zen status
 
It's a habit that started when I realised inheritance had no limit
 
@RoelvanUden and manager liked your idea, for me it's good there was no criticism
 
You know how physicists and mathematicians search for the theory of everything using their various methods? I'm seeking the algorithm of everything
 
We'll meed the framework equivalent of Windows 10, where the product is final and mutates itself instead of having incremental releases with changes, but that would go against backwards-compatibility
 
The data structure that can represents every data structure
I like what Windows 10 is doing
 
9:45 AM
in that case, we'd have the stability we need to start thinking about making all this stuff generic
 
@Mathematics Awesome. Go forth and implement simple code!
 
but as long as methods get deprecated it's not worth thinking about it, because you'd have to rethink whole modules with every update
 
@MoonOwl22 There is no data structure that can represent every data structure in an efficient way.
 
I'm not concerned about efficiency
 
@Kieran :D
 
9:47 AM
I'm concerned about materialising the abstract for self-amusement
 
Alright
 
@HéctorÁlvarez I thought it was a principle not modify but to only ever extend?
Because I want to start answering questions like: How do you model models?
 
@MoonOwl22 That wouldn't work IMO, software is naturally flawed and time brings new and more efficient ways to do stuff
 
@Proxy I won't have access to pubg until friday next week :(
I'll try and make a point of playing some gaems with you
 
:O vacation?
 
9:49 AM
Going to my SO's parents for a week
So kinda
 
@HéctorÁlvarez I don't need the software to run
 
Also i get to see the caaaaaaaaaaats
 
All I need is a notation to communicate my ideas
I like the idea of writing code to answer the question of how to solve difficult problems
 
that seems to be the only good part of the trip :P
meow
 
Someone asked me the other day, how I determine correspondence when dealing with concepts that are supposedly based on reality
What is the process of modeling things like faith
Hopefully we will get a state where the first line of code you see reading a source file will be something along th elines of
 
9:52 AM
@MoonOwl22 I'll put a simple example that resembles what I'm trying to say here, in order to make something do itself, you have to do it first and then add a mechanism in the middle that lets you do it by pressing a button. If you want to build a model? First make a mode with everything it will EVER need, then build an API to call those units and let me provide all the viables that I could EVER need, where most of them are optional
 
interface IConscience
 
Oh god you're going down that train of thought again
 
Okay I've stopped
 
by the time you define how to define ALL the models with ALL the data you EVER need, you can implement it
 
But you never have all that information
 
9:53 AM
and we can forget about modelling
oh, but you do
just leave the unknown information for the dude handling your contraption, because he has to know it if he wants to use it
 
Fair
But you want code that is applicable all the time
The domain is everything
And you can then simulate an entire universe using it
Without any simplifications
 
sure
you only need to broaden your level of abstraction
abstraction upon abstraction
abstractception
 
And eventually, I write back to one of my old philosophy professors to demonstrate to him that determinism exists
 
!!lenny
 
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
 
9:56 AM
I want to reach the ceiling abstraction
Where you can't get any more abstract
 
the only limiting factor here is time
 
Take code reuse to extremes
 
and if you try to overcome it you'll become obsessed and lose your nuts
 
There's a nice scene in Inside Out about abstract thinking.
 
@Proxy lmao
 
9:57 AM
@HéctorÁlvarez I am already obsessed
So at the moment, I am trying to establish a means generating true randomness
 
you aren't obsessed enough if you don't have crippling depression, and believe me you don't want to
 
@HéctorÁlvarez I lie in bed all day until I have to go to class
 
@MoonOwl22 What if we are simulated and our randomness is limited to the randomness of the simulation?!
 
@RoelvanUden I want to find that limit
I want th eupper limit
@HéctorÁlvarez When I look at the sky I am reminded that the experience on earth of having a sky is just an instance of an experience on many planets
 
@RoelvanUden Do I want to get out of the simulation?
 
9:59 AM
Basically, not knowing saddens me
 
I determined long ago that I don't
 
I want God power
 
@HéctorÁlvarez The simulation is good.
 
I want to experience beauty itself
@RoelvanUden It's horrible. There are too many people who aren't studying
 
You need help @MoonOwl22.
 
10:01 AM
And they share memes all day
 
@MoonOwl22 I don't think you know what that means
 
What is 'that'?
 
You only want the perks of god powers
not the god powers themselves
or you don't see the other side of the coin
 
True
I don't want to see evil
Only goodness. I want to prove that evil is good so that when I watch the news, I never need to be sad
 
bearing the flame sears you, remember that
and you'll see the bad before the good at all times
 
10:03 AM
@RoelvanUden Why do I need help?
The only help I need is in finding the ultimate answer
Experience the beauty so described in Plato's Symposium
The Form of Beauty itself
 
I don't get the feeling you're a functioning member of society.
 
I used to be productive
And then I started reading a lot
And started locking myself up
And since then, it's been downhill
 
And this is why you need help.
 
All I need is the ultimate truth
Once that is certain everything else can be derived
 
Spoiler: You'll never get it. Deal with it.
 
10:08 AM
@RoelvanUden There goes the ultimate truth
 
:(
So do people who study mathematics, philosophy and computer science waste their time?
 
Now back in solid ground, I have a doctor's appointment because, after all, we are all human and I got a cold
in a sense, yes
 
Get well soon
 
I still haven't had a chance to put my derivation skills to pay my bills
I'm always flawless
 
No, they don't waste their time if they enjoy their activity, keep themselves happy and healthy, and maintain healthy relationships with society at large. But they're not obsessed. Obsession with something is not a good thing. It closes doors, it prioritizes that thing over your own well being, and it's a destructive downhill path.
 
10:10 AM
Plus I drifted in 3 roundabouts on my way here, so I'm full of adrenaline
@RoelvanUden This. As I said before, you aren't obsessed until you have crippling depression or are on the verge. Please don't go there
 
@RoelvanUden So you recommend I go speak to a philosopher to convince me that I'm wasting time
 
You are just overly enthusiastic, chase your dreams but don't jump down the window for them
 
We're all 'wasting time'. But if you don't take care of yourself, you're being destructive. If you're already down that path, go see someone that can help. Therapists and psychiatrists exist for a reason, and there's no shame in needing one.
 
I have seen counselors and they kept asking about my emotions
It didn't feel productive
What I wanted was a demonstration of something that would challenge the beliefs I'm living by
But they didn't allow me to do that
They were more concerned with doing their job
So I just gave up
I will give it another try but I'm writing exams so I'm at the peak of my mental masturbation
 
take example of my colleague, who have daily 2+ hour coffee break.
I made a tool just to measure how much he works daily. It's unreal.
not long ago I have mentioned my other colleague who was not willing to learn anything from an educational task. Only "how to do it" mindset. The special kind. Now that colleague resigned, and we got that new one, who one day came at 11 am, than had an 1.5 hour break. With a total working time of 2 hour 20 minutes for the day.
 
10:24 AM
WTF
I thought he was having the 2+ hour coffee break because he works overtime
 
If I have a user story like: "As a user I want to be able to see how many people there are in the room, so..". How can I cut that down in smaller user stories. Because then I will get something like: "As a programmer I want to be able to the camera image in the program" ? So then you switch from the User's perspective to the programmer's ?
 
@ntohl how is he getting away with 1.5 hour breaks
 
@Kieran it was a lunch break too. But I don't think he will...
 
welp
 
@ErwinOkken Where did the camera come from?
 
10:30 AM
it's probation time, and I'm logging the work time/facebook time of him.
 
lmao
sucks to be that guy
 
I mean logging manually. Having a stopwatch which counts for work time OR coffee break time.
whenever I'm not here, I assume he works.
 
@RoelvanUden Well, let's assume the client wants to measure the amount of people in a room. The only thing my client wants is: "As a user I want to be able to see how many people there are in the room". But I know we will be using a camera to first show the footage on the screen. Then check the difference of two frames for examples, etc. But is it only valid to have that 1 user story, or is "As a programmer I want to be able to see a camera stream" fine too?
@RoelvanUden The user is just seeing a number, not the camera footage and/or algorithms that are detecting.
 
@ntohl ...
just tell him he need to work more?
and not waste that much time on non job related things
 
@ErwinOkken I'm just questioning where the camera came from. Apparently the user did not ask for the camera, so is this really the route you should be taking? Perhaps it would work to put NFC reader at each entrance and hand users passes.
Just thinking out loud because it's really fucking vague where the camera came from, to me :P
 
10:39 AM
@RoelvanUden The real "question" is if it is "allowed" what I'm doing there. We know we have to use a camera, we are going to. But I'm just not sure if "As a programmer" is a valid start of a user story.
 
Honestly, who cares. It still has to be done. Just jot it down as you see fit.
 
We're doing a project to analyze camera footage. The outcome is the only result for the client. But all the steps that have to be done are worth something too. And in that case we can decide how much story points it's going to take. You can't do that with 1 user story.
 
@Proxy he just keeps me unfocused. Starting random convo about films, music, etc.. The biggest problem is he switches on the neon lamps, when I forbid it.
 
wut
 
whenever he invites me coffee break I say, I must work. So I'm clear of my sense of guilt
 
10:41 AM
you talked awith him=
about that?
 
I have asked many times, if he have work to do
 
without knowing much of your status and his, i would tell him he need to focus and get hist stuff done while he is at work because others are suffering and need to fix his stuff as well. With that you are done on your part
 
^ Let him know.
 
he is support guy tho. We won't have to suffer from his absence of work
 
still i would talk with him.
 
10:49 AM
To be fair, support is a role that you can kinda drag out some tasks
 
i know its will be an unpleasant talk but i still think its better to get things out, then to keep them for yourself.
 
^ this
 
mr5
no
 
If he still doesn't improve after that, take it to your manager
or failing that
 
mr5
let him distract you
 
10:50 AM
just go to your manager about it
 
although its not your business(most likely) and he should know those things for himself, but i would talk with him 1.
 
11:10 AM
tumbleweed
 
11:49 AM
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12:17 PM
What is your favourite subset of F#
 
subset of F#?
 
Favorite part of F#? The # part, definitely. It resembles C#.
 
12:34 PM
anyone know how long does it takes that i can see new event on the firebase console?
i added some new events on my app but im not sure how long does it take for firebase to display them
seems like its few hours based on my googling skills
 
I don't even know what firebase is :D
Shouldn't it be instant?
 
I'm back!
Firebase? Instant? Are you talking about Magic the gathering?
 
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12:59 PM
@Proxy ewwwww don't do that ever again :D or the cronjob god will kill you
 

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