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12:00 AM
hi amy
how are you
 
 
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3:02 AM
a variable i set is sometimes null and my program stops with an exception, my question is how do i set a variable if the value exists?
 
3:21 AM
huh
 
if process window "notepad" != null -- > code
however, if it IS null, i get exception :/
if (Process.GetProcessesByName("Volibot 6.5"))
{

}
'cannot convert system[] into bool'
 
user47589
3:43 AM
!!google c# how to test for null
 
 
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7:22 AM
...and a good morning to you, oh sleeping ones.
 
 
1 hour later…
8:36 AM
I just love how the chat says : 3 hours later...
 
9:04 AM
And that's for a relatively active room. Some rooms are like "3 weeks later...".
 
9:24 AM
Bob : Hey how can I do this or that?
3 Weeks later
Peter : Oh you just have to ....
 
async-await-based conversations.
 
Can anyone give an example of where interfaces would be useful?
Because nearly every reply I've seen is "you'll understand when you're more experienced' as if to say it's an inside joke that they know it has no use further than being a reminder.
 
9:43 AM
Interfaces loosen coupling
Which makes code more reusable
and more maintainable
 
Also, interfaces are a neat abstraction <<< normative statement
 
Any time you write classes that are non-trivial and have to call each other's methods, you'd benefit from thinking about them as separate entities that don't know each other's internals, and only know of a contract that each class exposes.
An interface is, at its basis, a way of formalizing that contract.
 
Abstraction is improved
 
If my UserManagementService class exposes the IUserManagementService interface with an explicit set of methods, then it helps me, the developer of code that requires user management services, to treat the service as a self-contained unit.
 
9:47 AM
Interfaces (or contracts as Eiffel would call them) are at the heart of object-oriented programming
Avner, you can also easily port your code to a different platform
 
@MoonOwl22 Not necessarily. Interfaces are important as conceptual models, not necessarily technical ones.
 
How often are interfaces useful in making it possible to change implementation providers
 
If I build my app as a C#-WPF app using interfaces to clearly separate concerns, it won't necessarily help me migrate it to another platform. It will help me have a clearer, more maintainable codebase that's easier to reason about.
 
In some cases, where you need platform-specific calls won't interfaces be useful?
 
@MoonOwl22 Sure, but that's because interfaces help with separation of concerns, which in turn makes any change of implementation simpler. But I wouldn't say interfaces are directly useful in platform migration.
 
9:51 AM
I get you
 
We have a set of interfaces for our remote services. Originally they were WCF-SOAP services, which were called via auto-generated SOAP proxies. Then we switched to WebAPI/JSON services, but all it required us to do is replace our client-side proxy generator. It still created implementations of our service interfaces, just different interfaces. Worked like a charm. Mostly.
 
So interfaces are just extra coding to remind you about what you need to implement?
 
So that would be a good example of interfaces helping with platform migration. But mostly it was because the clear separation in the first place meant that client code and service-proxy code were distinct and separate.
@Arunex You could say that. Another way to say that is that they make your contracts explicit.
If my UserManagementService implements IUserManagementService which exposes CreateUser and DeleteUser, I know that these are the operations that are supported. If I want to replace my implementation to use ActiveDirectory instead of my own user tables, I can do that, knowing that my users only expect those two operations to behave similarly.
 
this is my code : https://ybin.me/p/0a249d38bf0deda6#+1BoMeWMjFcqzCpeuYApWlrv5wMTJk6RTBJ+PcltCyo=

I've been stuck on this for like 6 hours now. It preforms a google search and lists the results to a listview. But I am only getting like 10ish results for some odd reason anyone got an idea why?
(I am aware there is an API for that but I don't want googles API)
 
@R593B Is this running on .NET 2.0? Because there are a lot of newer, cleaner alternatives for a lot of the classes you use.
 
10:01 AM
@AvnerShahar-Kashtan I am just starting out with C# (Since 2ish weeks) so I found this example here : stackoverflow.com/questions/5179947/…
This however I believe 4.6.1
If you could point me to an example that is more relevant now that would be great :D
 
There's a lot of boilerplate code that that could be made simpler. .NET 4.0's System.Net.Http.HttpClient is a simpler alternative to the HttpWebRequest/HttpWebResponse stack (or even .NET 2.0's WebClient) - they can both fetch you the entire HTTP response's HTML as a string without having to mess about with streams and such.
 
The thing is I want to get only the links from the response
 
Sure. You connect to the site, get the raw HTML, feed it into HtmlAgilityPack and use that to scrape the page for links.
But fully half of your code there, the first half, can be replaced with a single call to WebClient.DownloadString() :)
 
Alright let me play around with that for a bit :)
 
string sbb = WebClient.DownloadString("http://www.google.com/search?q=" + SearchGoogle)
It's possible you're only seeing 10 links because that's the number of links that google show in their first page of search results?
 
10:07 AM
@Arunex Another way would be to say that you don't depend on a concrete implementation, but rather an abstraction. Which then enables you to be able to switch out the concrete implementation when needed.
 
@AvnerShahar-Kashtan That sounds like a possible reason ;o Give me a few going to "update" my code first and see how that does :)
 
1 hour later...
o/ people
 
Howdy @Squiggle
Just passing by. Making some waffles
 
I'm out of yeast, otherwise I'd be bakin' right now.
 
@Squiggle "I'm out of yeast" sounds like it should be a euphemism for something.
 
10:13 AM
@AvnerShahar-Kashtan EW.
 
@scheien It just seems like something that will never creep into my code
wait... I might have a good example where I can use it.
 
Creep into your code? You think interfaces are that bad?
 
Interfaces are crucial to any sane code architecture
 
@scheien I was just thinking it's repeated code. or a reminder of what you need to include. But I've just thought of a few examples where they'd be useful.
 
Think of a game, where the player can use several types of weapon.
It kinda gives itself there
 
10:20 AM
interface IWeapon {
   void shoot();
}
 
You'd rather have an IWeapon than Sword
 
heh
 
@scheien I was thinking of enemies in a game as an example XD
 
you beat me to it @Squiggle
@Arunex: enemies are viable too
 
:29305120 interface IThing
{
    void DoTheThing();
}
 
10:21 AM
@AvnerShahar-Kashtan Yep I think you are correct about it being only the first page :) , How would one go about going to the next page and so on?
 
@R593B Go to google.com, run a search, click on Page 2 and see the URL that's generated.
Note, though, that google will block your IP if you run too many searches.
 
Ahhh
Thanks! :)
 
@AvnerShahar-Kashtan yeah I did that once.
 
@scheien yea. enemies could be a ship, a unit etc. ships can be built, units get trained, but they both have an attack, so for every unit, attack other units within range. instead of splitting the lists up ino a list of ships, a list of units etc.
 
@Arunex IEnemy can be implemented by Alien, Zombie etc. Then you'd have a List<IEnemy>
and IEnemy has a Attack() method
 
10:23 AM
Feb 28 at 14:15, by Avner Shahar-Kashtan
Sometimes when I'm in research mode and I'm shooting off google searches, usually several variations on a theme, I'll hit google's request limit and get blocked or throttled.
 
@scheien Yea. instead of multiple lists for each type of unit. i can see now how they can be used
 
@Arunex This is very similar to the concepts of inheritance and base classes in OOP - the examples usually given are an Animal class with a Dog class that inherits it. The different is that with interfaces, you're only sharing contracts, not implementations. An Alien isn't necessarily a subtype of Enemy - it's a class that exposes the IEnemy functionality.
 
@AvnerShahar-Kashtan Yea, I completely understood the concept of inheritance and the different types, just interfaces seemed to have been a bit confusing.
 
@Arunex If your game has the IHoldable interface, it can be implemented by both Sword and Torch, even if Sword inherits Weapon and Torch inherits LightSource.
That way you can have Cannon and Streetlamp which inherit Weapon and LightSource, respectively, but don't implement IHoldable.
 
That's a pretty good addition @AvnerShahar-Kashtan
 
10:28 AM
@scheien Thanks.
 
I'm actually thinking of an example of a youtuber having to redesign his engine just because he was inheriting from abstract classes. He needed to add each function as an attribute. Interfaces woulvd've solved this much easier
 
some languages don't have inheritence; they have only interfaces
e.g. Go, or VB6
you can just use interfaces and composition to do effectively the same thing.
 
10:45 AM
first day of a new job making a new project
is it smart to keep web api in one project and html static in another
 
10:55 AM
@misha130 What would be serving the static HTML in the other project?
 
a controller
I guess not
 
It would simply be a second WebApi project, then. That could work, I suppose, if you want to reduce dependencies.
 
Its too much trouble
for little gain
 
Exactly.
Just put the static html in a clearly designated folder and you're good to go.
 
If I have an integer called experience, and based on experience you have a certain rank. What's a best practice? Send the rank to the client, or determine it in the client?
 
11:13 AM
@ErwinOkken Not enough information to tell.
 
the client could potentially change their ranking system... If that's what you're worried about
 
Do you want the rank to be calculated on the fly every time? Or stored and incremented alongside the XP?
Do you want to search or order by rank? If so, just storing the XP can be cumbersome.
 
Only the XP will be saved.
It will not be used (yet) to order. But it might be in the future so I will send the rank as data too. Thanks :)
 
De nada.
Just make sure you don't update one without the other.
 
What you mean?
XP is a certain number. if xp is between 0 and 250 => rookie, else if it is between 251 and 675 => Novice, (example) like that.
It's not very important but I like to know how things are being done by programmers that are better than me :)
 
11:17 AM
If you have a field that's derived from another field, but both are stored separately, always be careful not to update the XP without updating the derived Rank field as well.
 
no, i only save the xp
I'm so happy when I can work on private projects like these :)
 
11:31 AM
I would only deal with experience
 
11:45 AM
Soon we'll gonna launch our app and that's gonna be such a learning moment for me :D love it
 
12:01 PM
I cant wait to get to that stage. I'm still in the learning phase. I just only now set up a website on a server to see how it all comes together
 
12:14 PM
Just program a lot and try to get some 'friends' that want to collaborate
 
And don't have fun
 
I always enjoy programming :D
 
The problem is... almost no one here actually enjoys programming anywhere near as much as I do. They see it as more of a hassle than anything else
 
You shouldn't
You should enjoy a balanced life
Where you get 8 hours of sleep
8 hours of work
8 hours of everything else
 
MoonOwl seems so organised and boring :/
 
12:23 PM
I'm obviously mocking balancists
I believe if you don't enjoy anything to with computer science you should do some searching and like computer science
 
12:44 PM
@Arunex I'm doing a project together with 1 friend that wanted to learn programming and a Chinese guy. The only thing is, China is quite far away, so discussing can sometimes be hard :d
 
@ErwinOkken I trued doing that with a friend. It's HARD
 
@MoonOwl22 I enjoy learning subjects and teach those subjects to others. The only problem is that sometimes he compares his programming skills to mine, which is quite hard for him to swallow sometimes. I'm not saying that I'm good at programming but the difference is killing for him :p
Anyone of you knows the name of the component from the bar at the top? (Name, Line, Distance) thinkcoderelease.com/londonlinesstations/images/screenshots/…
 
1:04 PM
@ErwinOkken menu?
 
That looks like a simple tabcontrol.
 
The tabbar that we use looks way different
 
@Arunex this is likely just blatantly wrong
Of the people I've worked with in my entire career I can't say I've ever met anyone who does a day's work then goes home and does another day on personal projects like me ... I would argue that I likely enjoy programming as much you do @Arunex
 
Avner me and you are from the same country
 
@misha130 So it seems.
 
1:08 PM
this is my first day but I am working in a completely religious office
and I am not
what do you think
I feel out of place
 
16 hours a day for 15 years soon adds up and still feel like I know so little about what I do!
 
@Wardy I meant here as in my physical loction
 
@misha130 That can be disconcerting, yes. If nothing else, it limits your lunch options. :)
 
I ate at yellow today :^)
 
That's normal ... Based on my experience @Arunex
 
1:10 PM
oh well
 
@Arunex Statistically speaking, anyone who hangs out at the C# chat room is more into programming than developers who don't.
 
@AvnerShahar-Kashtan yea that would be logical
 
@AvnerShahar-Kashtan So there is hope for me? :-) hehe
 
@ErwinOkken Sitting in a chat room like this means you're more involved and engaged than the average developer. Not necessarily better, of course, but with a mindset oriented towards learning more.
 
I wasn't quite serious hehe, but indeed you are right.
 
1:20 PM
I want to reach the stage where my programs have a significant impact on the world
 
On your own? You got a nice challenge there :P
 
Planning to be the next gates, Zuckerberg, or jobs
Much harder to do these days, the next world changing tech will be something like quantum computing or ai
 
I'm studying AI =) hehe
 
I'm aiming a little smaller ... Tools to make web app construction faster and game dev tools to simplify the process of building completely dynamic environments with the gpu
Not exactly world changing but I think would make a difference
 
I just started programming an application (ios/android/API) for the pool billiards game. I play pool billiards (The Netherlands) competitive and noticed there is nothing that can be used, so decided to create it myself. It's also becoming quite commercial (not for users) so there is loads of information that I need to know at this point. Marketing, revenue model, etc.
 
1:40 PM
@ErwinOkken I have many ideas of what I want to do, But i might need to design assistant programs first that could automate certain tasks for me.
 
@Arunex One way to do that is to go work at one of the big companies, like Facebook or Google. It's hard to be accepted and you'll have to work your way up, but since their apps are used by so many people, any changes you make will make a difference.
Personally, I aim lower. :)
 
The more experience you have, the higher you can aim. You can aim low now and aim higher in a couple of years.
 
In my opinion, facebook is going downhill. But google definitely has opportunities.
 
I work as a consultant or contractor. The actual product that I make doesn't usually interest me too much (barring ethical concerns), but my personal goal is to make other developer's lives easier. Teaching, mentoring, building better tools and infrastructure. Even if it's at the micro scale, inside a single company.
 
I'm aiming high and sticking with it. have been for the past 2 years since I started learning how to program
@Wardy Are you using OpenGL?
 
1:46 PM
What's the easiest way to export a ZIP with all my code from VS2013, without bin/obj binaries? Big solution.
I'm considering deleting the code on disk and re-fetching from TFS.
 
@Arunex I'm building a framework for gpu tooling on top of unity
Using noise module stacking, voxels nd mesh generation with custom editors built on top of unity itself
 
@Wardy Ah ok kewl. I've been trying to make a 3D rendering engine using OpenGL about 12 times now. I keep scratching it and will keep doing so until I can code it all without looking up anything.
 
Opinion poll: I'm doing some refactoring to make our server more modular. Right now we have a WebAPI project with all the controllers, and a DLL for each service, referenced by the WebAPI project, where the implementations reside.
I'm thinking of moving all the controllers to the service-specific DLL, without explicit references, and having the WebAPI project, on start, scan the DLLs in the folder (or read a config file), load the service DLL and load the Controller from there.
Thus, a clean installation will only contain the core services (namely, AccountService for login), and each service will be loaded only if its deployed to the folder, allowing us to selectively install services at a client site.
 
@Arunex yeh I considered it but don't really want to go that low level ... That's why unity appeals, it can get in the way at times though
 
Any good arguments against bundling the Controller and the implementation together in one DLL?
 
1:57 PM
@AvnerShahar-Kashtan I separated my stack in to layered dlls and use ioc to bolt stuff together
 
@Wardy I want to work at that level so I understand how everything works better. It's kind of an addiction at this point.
 
I have an api website made up of many OData applications where each app is a project and it's services are a project
I then separated out the entities and dtos in to their own assemblies so that stuff that uses my api can use the entities but have to refer to all the business logic
Felt like the cleanest implementation I could figure out
@Arunex I started down there but once I got my head round the dx and gl apis was like ... I'm not achieving anything and do care about matricies I care about building stuff not complex math
Felt like I was solving the problem of engine design instead of game design so I picked an engine and started from there instead
 
@Wardy I am at least getting somewhere though. I think I have a video on youtube about my best progress so far that was done within a week before I scratched it again
 
@Arunex fair enough ... I backed away when I hit the math, I know many others here like that aspect though
 
@Wardy So, you're saying you're with me here. :)
 
2:05 PM
@AvnerShahar-Kashtan You get easily get into a huge mess concerning client-specific installation and upgrades at the client location. You'll need to write some sort of utility to tie together and install bits and pieces, and upgrade them, etc. It's really quite a bit of overhead. OTOH you could just make each API an area with an explicit area registration that ONLY loads if the config setting allows for it. In effect, the same thing, without all the installation headaches.
 
@AvnerShahar-Kashtan sort of ... I split the app from the business logic though ... So have projects like ...
 
@Wardy I suck at maths. Which has become increasingly frustrating considering it's supposed to be 100% logical. I hate the fact that I suck at it so I'm doing everything I can to improve on it
 
You'd just overwrite everything EXCEPT the config and it will load whatever you first told it to. Easier to manage, but means having all code at each client installation (usually not an issue if you have SLAs that prevent them stealing the code :P)
 
That's pretty much what I'm doing right now. Not even going into the deployment and installer logic. I just want the ability to have a given service - including controller and business logic - available or not, based on either a config setting or the existence of a file. The actual deployment might be PS engineers editing a config file.
 
Just saying that going the separate assemblies and loading via, say, MEF, can be annoying.
 
2:08 PM
App > Api (controllers) > business logic (services) > db
Then another assembly for entities and dtos
And I have lots of instances of that stack, one for each app that makes up the site
The only thing I then need to give clients is the entity assembly
Oh and the url and their login details for the api of course
 
@Wardy I'm not talking about the stack, that's clear. I'm talking about assembly separation.
 
Yeh that's how I Sep my assemblies
It just also happens to be my stack too
Imo they basically should be the same for good maintainability
 
@Wardy As long as you have one monolithic API. Always loading all controllers and all services.
I want to be able to enable/disable specific api areas.
 
o/ @RoelvanUden
 
@AvnerShahar-Kashtan you missed the key part of my stack ... The api is a website made up of many webapi applications
It's modular enough that I can choose to remove portions but keep the core api up, they also share identity tokens too so logging in to any part of the site logs you in to all apps within it
 
2:22 PM
@Wardy Ah, yes, I did. In that case, you have a similar situation to mine, only you further split each api area to a controller and service project.
The question is, isn't that too much?
I'm not sure I can see a use-case for loading my QueryController but not my QueryService, and vice versa.
So this is just multiplying the number of projects, which has noticeable effect on build times and general maintainability.
 
Essentially yeh that's it ... Building a new api app atm for me means creating 4 projects the app, the api, the services and repo layer stuff (all in service assembly) and the objects
I implement some interfaces and can refer to core init code ... So my entire app setup using owin is about 40 lines of code, the bulk of my controllers are OData and I have built something similar to an ef context for that so the code is dead simple
 
That's a bit more separation than I need. I have a ServerCore project that contains the shared stuff - repos and shared utils and so forth. All services can reference that.
That's because they do share a data context, just not functionality.
 
They are not the same context
An OData context can be constructed from many data contexts
For example I can join data from multiple dbs on different servers in mixed data stores as parts of my odata context ... Eg have a context that exposes a directory, some raven data and a sql Db
Where as an ef context is just a set of related tables in a single db
 
In my case, they are.
 
Then you're lucky your problem domain sounds simpler than mine
 
2:36 PM
I am a new guy
 
Welcome
 
can i get some help. got something to ask. looks like you are in middle of a serious conversation
 
@Wardy Or at least more consolidated.
 
@BibashAdhikari hey it's a public chat don't let us stop you joining in :)
@AvnerShahar-Kashtan I think the problem is scale, for small solutions what you have is fine, when you need farms of servers and fast indexing 1 web box sat on 1 sql Db just won't cut it any more ... I'm guessing that's the where the differences come in but without comparing our solutions it's hard to say
@BibashAdhikari so what's your question?
 
I made a program in c# using VS and when I run it I see it in running application tab of task manager is there any way that I hide it from there. I am fine with it showing on details tab but not on running application . Is there anyway to do it?
 
2:43 PM
@BibashAdhikari I really hope not, because I can't think of any reason to do that that isn't malicious.
Oh, you mean the Applications tab as opposed to the Processes/Details tab?
 
I was just thinking that
The only exceptions to apps appear to be windows services from what I can tell
 
@BibashAdhikari Sorry, I didn't read your question all the way through.
 
As long as you don't want Ui a windows service might be the way to go
 
actually i created a program so that i can hide taskbar and use rockerdock like a default taskbar kinda. so
 
Sounds malicious ... I wouldn't install anything that tried to replace anything my os does
That said ... It's pretty normal in Linux world
 
2:48 PM
@Wardy It's fine if that's the service it provides. Like Classic Start Menu or other start-menu replacements in Windows 8.
 
its just for personal use.
 
That said, I think you could do it in Windows 7, but in Windows 8 it shows up under Applications under the Background Processes header.
 
Also I had wondered what it might take to build my own 3d version of windows explorer (which also renders the task bar)
 
@Wardy That would probably just involve replacing explorer.exe outright, which should be possible. At least it was in earlier versions of windows - I haven't checked it out lately.
 
i wish someday i could build my one task-bar like of Kali or Ubuntu for windows.
 
2:52 PM
I got curious if there's a port of GNOME to Windows.
Apparently there are several defunct projects. You can tell an OSS project is dead if it hosts its code on SourceForge.
 
@AvnerShahar-Kashtan yeh it used to be that simple ... I'm sure Ms do more checking of the explorer exe now though due to all the crap they took about it being easy to break windows maliciously
 
how is it possible to hide a process in application tab in taskmanager?
 
@BibashAdhikari For which version of Windows?
 
windows 7
 
Also, what framework are you developing the app in? WinForms? WPF?
And finally, what have you tried so far?
Because I just took your question and plugged it into Google and got several potential results.
 
2:57 PM
i got windows 10 too but i generally use 7.
winform application
.net 4.5
 
The very first Google hit for "how is it possible to hide a process in application tab in taskmanager?" gives a solution to this.
 
Lol so many people just don't bother these days lol
 
i really searched for it but i think the question i searched for war not corect
 
On that happy note, it's five o'clock and time to head home. Have fun, y'all.
 
thanks Avner
 
3:06 PM
@AvnerShahar-Kashtan o/
Thanks again btw it works fine now :)
 
3:27 PM
@R593B Cool. Just be careful not to hit the usage limits.
 
woah
 
guys, I want to learn c#, could you provide some books, links, videos, etc. to learn it ?
I know java(moderate level) and C (basic level)
 
3:47 PM
@kaanyılmaz just install vs and start using it
 
4:02 PM
@kaanyılmaz I recommend youtube videos. :)
 
4:15 PM
@kaanyılmaz what sort of applications are you interested in writing?
 
4:38 PM
@kaanyılmaz if you know java already you should just fire up visual studio, open a new console project, and try to make stuff
use google where you stumble
the syntax will make sense to you
 
4:57 PM
Woo hoo
Happy St Patrick's day
 
5:23 PM
@scheien bought a 3-series
good deal, always wanted one, so yolo
 
Crashed my firefox
 
anyone know why i'm getting this wierd error
Append': cannot convert from 'const struct quad' to 'int4'
the line of code in question is this:
result.Append(GetFace(0, v.type, pos));
get face looks like this ...
quad GetFace(int face, int type, float3 pos) { ... }
the code is hlsl ... bit of a long shot asking here i know
 
gonna throw a random guess and say because result.append is for int4 types nd not quad types
 
jeez ... rookie mistake ... buffer type was wrong
now i know its been a long week
 
As long as it's been productive
 
5:30 PM
not this project
this one has been doing my head in for a while
for some reason I just can't get my head round hlsl ... always something not right
 
Oh I just read up. hlsl is directX's shader language.
 
yeh
 
was wondering what it was
 
trying to manage my voxel data on the gpu
this code im working on generates a mesh from a voxel buffer
its annoying because i was able to solve all this in c# fairly easily by comparison
but this for some reason hates me
 
the geometry shader?
 
5:34 PM
no ... compute
 
I really want to get more time to work on OpenGL again, but have to learn so many things this semester
 
i got my head round c# fairly quickly but hlsl even with years of experience still hates me
its a brutal language with poor tooling
quite often you just end up spitting lines of code in to a black hole
you get odd situations where you get no compiler errors no runtime errors and yet code that puts stuff in to a buffer seems to return an empty buffer
 
this year have to learn c#, html, js, sql, and cant remember what else...
I doubt I'll get around to DirectX if I already have OpenGL
 
hlsl and glsl arent that different from what i understand
it gets a bit wierd though when you use a game engine like unity because they sort of abstract a lot from you but stuff like this is just "go play with raw silicon"
 
o/
 
5:41 PM
Oh yea, we also have to get used to Unity by the end of the year. But that's why I wanted to start with OpenGL first. to really understand how it all comes together
 
unity
 
Where is Amy when you need her >.>
Someone throw a good movie or series name at me to watch (Preferably SciFi)
 
@Arunex yeh unity sits on top of both GL and DX so don't think that because you know GL you will know how unity works at any level
 
@R593B hmmmm star gate
 
so many layers of abstraction in there its not even funny
 
5:45 PM
star trek
fire fly
the 100
the dome
 
The 100 is the first on that list I haven't seen lemme check it out
 
@R593B star wars of course ;)
 
ok
 
(I watch to many series :( )
 
@Wardy Yea, but it's more to understand what's happening instead of putting code into a magic box that does stuff
 
5:46 PM
the 100 has a really good plot, but i feel like they screw it up in the later seasons
but regardless, it's pretty good
 
@Wardy I would feel terrible if I hadn't watched it ;p
 
@R593B have you seen extant
@Arunex thats exactly what coding with unity is like
it throws out all the rules and writes its own
 
theres also that show about the rocket they shot off in the 1950's with all the people on there
 
@Wardy If you mean the series nope, but from what I read quickly about the 100 it seems fun so going to watch that first :D
 
wish i could remember the name but it was pretty good too, probably better than the 100
 
5:48 PM
@Wardy Lol. I'll see when I get to it. I just like the idea of being able to choose to use a sophisticated program for a large project, or my own simple implementation
 
@R593B yeh its only getting better too
 
@Jeremy as in BMW?
 
@SteveG I am so sad they stopped Star Gate
 
i'm so sad they screwed up stargate universe
 
@R593B i miss it too
 
5:51 PM
way to take an AWESOME chance for an AWESOME plot, and just throw it down the toilet
 
Universe felt like a huge budget cut from Atlantis.
 
@SteveG I enjoyed that. Apparently nobody else did
 
it was too much talking
 
@R593B it was
 
and i felt, if you're on an advanced space craft far away from home, it should be about learning how to use that, and fighting aliens trying to get home
 
5:52 PM
It was good but they kind of did to much in the previous ones to actually justify the lack of "content" in Universe.
 
not ALL drama stuff
 
@TomW yeh i thought it was pretty reasonable too ... certainly not bad enough to cut ... even sg1 took a while to really get going
 
it has, and still has great potential, i'd love it if they didn't cut it, and just made it a little more sci-fi-ish, and not so drama-ish
the whole tech that let them trade bodies with people on earth was over the top, and it ruined the fun of them being stuck out in the middle of no where
 
Yeah they did use that too much
 
@SteveG That felt a bit like, hmm we need to have different locations how are we going to pull that off.
 
5:54 PM
yea
but they're in a spaceship, they could fly to new locations, lol
 
Guess earth was cheaper too then some fully CGI rendered stuff.
 
Yeh they have a ship powered by stars that places stargates and can't figure out how to open a gate to earth from it ??? wtf ??
 
They could have made the 'wibbly energy planet' thing not quite such a precious snowflake and devised another plot about trying to set up another gate shot
 
i don't remember any episodes to be honest
 
Pfft just skip going back to earth all together. Humans are made to explore !
 
5:57 PM
yeh 1 way trip
with random new guests being sent through to spice things up
 
Or someone from the SGC steals a battlecruiser to go and chase after them or something...but in keeping with the bleakness of the plot they're just insane and will never reach them
 
Just let them be boarded once a week lmao
SG atlantis basically boiled down to : Lets go to a random planet each episode
Which actually wasn't to bad imo
 
thats how SG started out
the first few seasons are 'go to this planet, get in a fight, come back', which i enjoyed too, but i liked how they brought in other stuff in later seasons
 
You know what I hate though? If you are like 3 seasons in and they switch out or remove a character by death or some shit.
 
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