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Thoughts on the syntax?
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10:25
I was going for readability but expressiveness. I took a lot from CoffeeScript and of course a ton of deeper concepts from Rust (which I like, but I don't at the same time).
 
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23:43
@PeterVaro Helló
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That link up above, tell me what you think of it
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hmm.. so this is "a new language"?
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@PeterVaro Yeah.
I'm working with a large contributor to the LLVM project.
obviously the first question is: why?
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23:47
Well, C doesn't facilitate the kind of coding style I like.
Rust just... it's close, but it still bugs me
which part?
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A lot of it. Its interoperability is flawed from the ground up
FFI is a trainwreck and I think they'd need to completely re-think how Rust is built at a very foundational level for it to be able to work as they want
have you tried Nimrod, Julia, Go, Swift..? (just to name a few newcomers..)
@Qix why don't you help them?
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Go's syntax looks like a drunk dude puked up a hotdog.
Swift is pretty Objective C
I've not heard of the other two
@PeterVaro Like I said, their model of memory is flawed from the ground up.
@Qix that's why I asked the question "why"
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23:50
It works awesome, assuming everything else is written in Rust.
there are PLENTY of languages out there
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Yeah but none of them tickle my fancy.
there is no perfect langauge
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Never said there was
@Qix how's so?
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23:51
Their metadata and their complete disregard for cross-platform compatibility.
They assume everything else you'd ever want to work with is written in C.
I think that is the first step
and as a first step it is okay
you can always create a C interface for C++ for example
to be honest, I don't think the world needs another language
I'm actually very strict about this problem
I have tons (literally tons) of ideas
about new language features
syntax sugars, mechanisms
but I always end up with the conclusion: the world does not need another language
IMHO the world needs a better C pre-processor -- and you can think about Rust as one
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@PeterVaro I would agree, though tell me about a language that has a really easy to read syntax, that doesn't have convoluted object oriented-ness, that doesn't have a compiler that looks like it's written in Aramaic, that can take any code you write and compile it on any memory model, architecture or platform...
or Vala and Nimrod which are literally compiled to C
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@PeterVaro Vala is mainly for Gnome
Or GObject programmers.
@PeterVaro But rust isn't trying to be a better pre-processor. And C's preprocessor is a lost cause. In fact, text replacement pre-processors should die.
They make static analysis impossible without running them
no-no-no you misunderstood me about pre-processing
let me rephrase it
I think C is an almost perfect language => although it has some huge problems: 1) safety 2) the need of shit amount of boilerplate 3) the option for greater abstraction (mostly in syntax)
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23:57
Okay
@PeterVaro C is a high level assembler.
so what I'm trying to say is: Rust (at least for me) is exactly that
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@PeterVaro I agree on both points. However, what is Rust's main philosophy as a language?
it has awesome safety features, nice class-free very high-level abstractions
and a very nice AST based pre-processor to do whatever you want
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Like Box?
What about on systems where there is no heap?
The rust maintainers don't even want to put box into the standard library
well, this is difficult

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