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12:00 AM
Most amazing thing is this. Opera provides a vendor specific CSS rule to tweak text selection, -o-user-select however it you set it to none it will just let you select everything you want.
The list goes on, no CSS keyframe animations, buggy CSS transition and transform implementation.
 
user1385191
you're whining about the most consistently innovative and user-friendly browser to ever exist
 
I'm sorry to say but no.
Not even remotely.
Maybe in the past.
 
GGG
@OctavianDamiean I think opera uses unselectable
HTML attribute
not css =/
 
Oh you can set it with zero result. :)
Opera is the IE of the modern browsers.
IE is just IE.
 
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heh
try unselectable
 
12:03 AM
I did.
 
GGG
no good?
 
Nope. Opera just trollfaced.
 
GGG
hmm i thought i remembered that working
 
Set unselectable, still select text. Trollface ... problem? :D
 
GGG
yeah just tried it
hmm that's weird
@OctavianDamiean unselectable="on"
 
12:08 AM
oh gosh
 
GGG
heheh
 
You must be kidding me ...
 
GGG
What? Opera's just following the standards you know ;)
 
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Q: Drawing isometric map in canvas / javascript

DaveI have a problem with my map design for my tiles. I set player position which is meant to be the middle tile that the canvas is looking at. How ever the calculation to put them in x:y pixel location is completely messed up for me and i don't know how to fix it. This is what i tried: var offs...

 
12:30 AM
hello there, i´m having trouble generating an array jsfiddle.net/fiddlebjoern/KvagZ/2 maybe someone can help me ...
 
12:54 AM
!!/listcommands
 
@andrewjackson Available commands: help, live, die, forget, regex, jquery, choose, online, user, listcommands, define, norris, urban, parse, tell, mdn, get, learn, hang, roll, spec, todo
 
!!/learn lmgtfy "http://lmgtfy.com/?q=$encode($0)"
!!/tell Marcel lmgtfy javascript arrays
 
@andrewjackson Command lmgtfy learned
@Marcel http://www.google.com/search?q=javascript%20arrays
 
@Zirak stop forgetting my commands lol
why is it that the first time lmgtfy is always called, it always goes straight to google?
!!/tell Zirak lmgtfy javascript debugging tricks
 
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1:00 AM
!!/tell JavaScriptCommunity "learn the DOM already"
 
@MattMcDonald Command learn the DOM already does not exist.
 
user1385191
ack
 
!!/learn echo $0
 
@andrewjackson Command echo learned
 
!!/tell JavaScriptCommunity echo learn the DOM already
 
1:01 AM
@JavaScriptCommunity learn the DOM already
 
user1385191
yay
 
1:49 AM
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Q: How do I prevent pages I visit from overriding selected Firefox shortcut keys?

Secure ShelIn Firefox, how can I prevent pages from overriding Firefox built-in keyboard shortcuts through Javascript on a per-key basis? Preferably on a per-site basis, too? The most frustrating override is the forward slash ('/') that's linked to "Find in page". Sites like Google search results, Twitter t...

 
I give up
should read the source like you said lol
 
yeah
darn, we need a room owner to clean up our mess, lol
 
I wanna make a bot that automatically pings anyone 4 times who pings me, and then tell themto stop pinging me lol
 
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2:13 AM
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user1385191
ta-da!
 
@MattMcDonald thanks for that. I was feeling a little guilty about all those bot messages, lol, but obviously i couldn't do anything about it.
 
where did my entire scroll bar go? lol
 
user1385191
2:19 AM
refresh
 
user1385191
I feel dirty adding a wrapper for appendChild
 
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basically, the only reason other than to complement removeNode is to throw errors in older browsers
 
wait, what?
 
user1385191
appendChild throws errors on incorrect input
 
user1385191
a: the parent node has to be an element, document, or documentFragment
 
user1385191
2:27 AM
b: the node cannot be an ancestor of parent
 
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>>> document.createTextNode("test").appendChild(document.body);
Unhandled DOMException: HIERARCHY_REQUEST_ERR
 
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>>> document.body.appendChild(document);
Unhandled DOMException: HIERARCHY_REQUEST_ERR
 
why do libraries always try to make everything fail safe?
as if the person using is completely incompetent
 
user1385191
the error is there to inform you
 
user1385191
jQuery doesn't ever throw its own errors
 
user1385191
2:31 AM
everything is swallowed up and attempted to be corrected
 
user1385191
I don't intend to correct user input
 
user1385191
think of what I'm doing as a "shim" without the naiveté
 
so it's for debug purposes?
hmmmm
I wonder if there's a cPanel room
guess not
I need to make one account a master account, so it can have access to change all account files
that would be awesome lol
 
!!/tell ThomasShields spec break
 
 
2:39 AM
you know you can just say "!!/spec break"? lol
 
no, cool. thnx.
 
I'm so ignorant to server related things like SSH
I've used it before, but I forget easy D=
 
@MattMcDonald why :\
@MattMcDonald define naivete?
 
user1385191
you mean "clarify"?
 
user1385191
it's the naive thought of delivering the same experience to every environment
 
2:49 AM
I mean what does naivete mean
 
user1385191
gullible
 
@MattMcDonald are you implying your implementation of "shim" is more robust then the DOM shim?
for IE>=8
 
user1385191
it's got some spots, but I'm optimistic about the amount of environments it can work in
 
and at what penalty?
A foreign API and worse performance
Mainly the performance penalty, you should be matching the API pretty well
 
2:59 AM
I wish you guys would stop trying to make it easier for my potential future competitions
 
user1385191
lol
 
user1385191
the XML part is hilarious
 
@MattMcDonald you'll laugh that I just figured this out, but yes, recursion is indeed awesome
 
@andrewjackson i wish you would stop being a noob
Seriously
Grow some fucking balls and be a pro
@MattMcDonald 2000 ;) I hurd u liek being 12 years behind
 
3:04 AM
@Raynos i wish you would stop being a pretentious jerk and actually help people learn instead of saying "noob"
 
user1385191
we can learn a lot from the past
 
user1385191
@ThomasShields note how the LOC goes way down?
 
@Raynos you're just a liberal socialist
 
@ThomasShields I'm a jerk about people's attitude. If you have a real question I help. If your just being a noob then your just being a noob
 
@MattMcDonald yeah, pretty sweet.
@Raynos fair enough.
@andrewjackson now that is worthy of @Raynos's grumbling.
 
3:05 AM
@andrewjackson And to specifically expand and make it obvouis, I'm attacking your attitude that you need your future competition to be hamstringed and penalized. If you feel threatened don't try to damage your competion, destroy the threat by becoming better
 
hey @Raynos, how long have you been coing in JS?
 
Depends
 
@Raynos exactly, good point. (see how easy that was? :)
 
you don't even know where that attitude comes from
 
@ThomasShields What part of "stop being a noob" did not make it obvouis what I was really trying to say?
 
3:06 AM
since I've been programming, I've see web developers multiple like crazy
 
user1385191
@ThomasShields if you want a true challenge, try ditching the loop
 
@andrewjackson I spend 1 year being a complete JS noob and only been doing real proper JS for about 6 months
 
user1385191
@andrewjackson this is more a result of you being exposed to more people
 
@Raynos and you have the audacity to call me a noob??
 
@Raynos that might have been a poor example, but it seems like you just throw "noob" around more than you actually help. Maybe i'm oversensitive to spite. idk.
 
3:07 AM
@andrewjackson so? 99% of web developers are absolutely shit. You can ignore them. If your a pro, you'll be hired by a bad ass company because your a pro. It isn't hard to seperate yourself from the sea of noobs
 
@MattMcDonald that's exactly me point
 
@MattMcDonald good grief.
 
thankyou
 
tsk tsk, name calling.
 
user1385191
3:09 AM
read makeLinearArray for ideas
 
@MattMcDonald righto, thanks!
 
user1385191
the general idea with recurring on on arrays is to chop them into smaller bits
 
user1385191
but makeLinearArray doesn't get to work with arrays; it gets array-like objects
 
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(hence the optional index parameter)
 
@andrewjackson why do you keep throwing the world "liberal" around as if it automatically makes things more evil?
 
3:10 AM
@andrewjackson I'm also not attacking your technical competence. I only made a single comment about your attitude being incorrect
 
@MattMcDonald ah, okay.
 
I also made a comment on a statement that was most likely a joke. So my bad o/
 
incorrect? based on what? you 1.5 years experience?
 
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out, damned spot!
 
user1385191
3:10 AM
out out out
 
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@andrewjackson years is a shit measure of competence
@MattMcDonald ¬_¬
 
what have you seen?
 
guys, please. hovers over flag
 
@ThomasShields no you.
 
3:11 AM
what events have taken place since you've started?
 
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What does that mean?
 
user1385191
guys, ad hominem and straw man attacks are terrible ways to argue
 
What are we talking about?
 
it's called experience, not competence... competence comes from experience
 
3:12 AM
in fact, they're not even arguing. They're just nasty propaganda fallacies.
 
@Raynos exactly, maybe you'll know what that means in 2 or 3 or 5 more years
 
@andrewjackson I know I lack experience
 
I'm not even going to justify that with a reasonable response
 
I hereby invoke the syllogism rule! For the remainder of the argument, you must use complete, logically valid syllogisms for each point you wish to make. :P
 
3:14 AM
What argument :\
 
user1385191
I have worked a grand total of about 2 months in my lifetime as a web developer
 
@Raynos noob. you'll understand someday
 
@andrewjackson :D
 
enough said
 
e.g,
You have less experience than me. (back this up, or get opp. to admit?)
Experience is a good thing.
I have more of a good thing than you.

Having more of a good thing makes you better (not 100% true, but you get my gist)
I have more of a good thing than you
I am better than you
 
user1385191
3:15 AM
that shouldn't disqualify me from making observations and critiques
 
@MattMcDonald you have significantly more
@MattMcDonald have you really done that little web (and that much flash) ?
 
user1385191
yep
 
user1385191
I should clarify that what I said means "employment as"
 
my first paid freelance job for web design was when I was 15 y/o
6 years ago
since then, the amount of new developers has been exponential
 
really?
 
user1385191
3:18 AM
it's plausible to suggest that more people have been exposed
 
I would expect the growth over the last 4 years to be constant
 
user1385191
it's even more plausible to suggest that you've become far more exposed to the industry itself
 
@MattMcDonald that's my whole argument, why are you helping them be exposed to your own profession???
"Hey, I make websites, and I charge a good price. What, you want to make them too, and undercut me? Well here's how to compete:"
 
user1385191
I'm going to toss you a hypothetical here:
 
user1385191
let's say your music library consists of about 5 bands
 
user1385191
3:20 AM
suddenly, you grow tired of them and decided to scour the world for more music
 
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you walk into a record store
 
I see where this is going
continue
 
user1385191
do you say "wow, there are so many new bands"?
 
user1385191
...or do you say "wow, there are so many more bands out there"?
 
I say, "wow! maybe there's a lot of money in music"
 
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3:22 AM
 
@andrewjackson That's a bad attitude to have. You can apply the same question to "What open source? why would you ever want to do that"
 
how's is that a bad attitude?? then what incentive do you have? because it's "fun"??
 
@andrewjackson my personal reason for helping people write better code for the web is breaking through the fallacies, false bad practices and ignorances. We need to constantly push the web in the right direction
@andrewjackson I do open source because the web is open
Why shouldn't it be open source.
You sound like your suffering from a bad case of greed and insecurity
 
user1385191
open source software is how innovation happens
 
@Raynos not that's a horrible attitude imho
 
3:24 AM
Also I die inside when people use innerHTML
 
user1385191
why do you think that Microsoft is trying to add detection to block free OSes?
 
the other part of me helping is ranting to people about what not to do
 
@Raynos that's like saying, "I pay taxes to help the people live off the government, who are too lazy to go find a job, and just overall make a lot of bad decisions"
 
@andrewjackson note, that reputation sells not skill. I have no fear that I can teach someone to make better websites them me and as a consequence lose sales
 
user1385191
(this is where I value an IRC channel)
 
3:26 AM
Man, there's a lot of evil in the world!
Options:
a) make money off doing good in a world filled with evil but don't tell anyone to do good
b) make possible less money off doing good, but educate the world and help stop evil
 
@andrewjackson not quite, I'm actively telling these lazy people to go find a job, I'm not indirectly supporting them
@MattMcDonald Are you saying you don't have the balls to voice your opinion publically because it might haunt you?
 
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lol
 
user1385191
I'm someone who has been fervently opposed to a certain project since I started chatting on this site well over a year ago
 
Anyway the main point is, I know helping people will not affect me negatively in any way or form
@MattMcDonald vague.
 
user1385191
I'm saying that an IRC channel is nice because the trivial off-topic bickering isn't tracked
 
3:29 AM
you guys might see me as money hungry and greedy, but you don't realize... people used to be able to be their own boss in this industry, and made a good living on it. it's hard to make a good living on it anymore, without being under some other boss' wing
I don't see many "free lancers" who don't need to depend of someone or somthing in one way or the other anymore
 
@andrewjackson don't be a freelancer. Start your own business; do more than freelance; make awesome sites and apps.
 
@ThomasShields lol... clearly you've either never tried that, or you've never tried that in California
 
@andrewjackson What your saying is "I used to be able to clients, but then the market changed. I didn't adapt, I don't know how to get clients anymore"
And I get that
I have no clue how to get freelance clients
 
@Raynos I'm not saying I failed to adapt, I'm saying the old way was much better
 
and I feel like in that sector there is massive competition from generic indian firms
That was slightly racist o/
I just go for a technical role in a web based startup, easier for me.
 
3:33 AM
so from now on, we all feed Indians the wrong answers. agreed?
 
Besides I dont want to do freelance work developing a website thats meets someones specification :\
 
lol
lol @ you removing it
 
Problem solved.
Anyway
I build web applications as products and get customers directly, it might not be easier but at least you can be your own boss
 
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Q: refresh a div inside a php file using jquery or javascript and ajax

fogsyI have a div displayed in the manner you see on the code and I need it to be refreshed everytime someone click on one of the links : $str.= "<div id='foldersdiv'>"; foreach ($folderslist as &$value) { $str.= " <a href=\"#1\" onClick=\"change_status_sp('{$spDetails->sp_id}','...

 
Indians are pretty smart, don't underestimate them... they work in a very competitive manner, rather than a quality repetitious manner.
 
3:36 AM
Oh indians aren't stupid
Just they have a culture problem with "client being boss"
that doesnt work in the web sector
 
that in itself is going to get them ahead before it gets you ahead, and then they begin to build their reputation
 
the client doesnt know what he is doing
yeah indians dont have reputation ;) thats ruined already
 
I don't see that at all with web apps made by indians
 
go walk into one of the indian chat rooms, youll learn in 5 minutes
the subset of indians im exposed to all generate low quality code
I just havnt met any good indians
 
they tend to throw things together, and the client just not knowing anything about it, is what makes it work for them
@Raynos I met one hosted on my partner's web hosting service
he started out about the same time I did, and it's been interesting seeing his method of learning
it's very heavily based on trial and error, which is pretty effective
idk what his reputation looks like in India, but it's very good with me
anyways... I'm pretty sure the internet is going to implode soon anyways
 
3:49 AM
@andrewjackson Huh trail and error is pretty effective ?
 

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