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1:08 AM
Another TechCrunch article where everyone's up in arms that an iPhone app lets you log in without encryption.
Why is everyone so surprised? 99.9% of network traffic isn't encrypted. Aside from banks and payment forms, almost nobody uses SSL. And adding SSL to an iPhone app like they're complaining about is non-trivial because of US export restrictions on encryption.
It upsets me how people keep getting upset!
 
1:32 AM
I was thinking about using SSL, but I don't want to pay for a specially approved signed one. If I don't pay for it, the browser pops up a warning that makes my site look even more dodgy than a non SSL site... So I'll probably just end up doing it over http
 
You could do what I did.
 
what's that?
 
Join cacert.org and wait very patiently for the root cert to be included in a mainstream browser. ;)
 
or pay someone for a cert? you can get godaddy certs pretty cheaply :)
 
Yeah, but, I could get more fun things than a cert for $10
Like lunch.
 
1:36 AM
There are free certificates
i mean there are crenters, which give free certs
 
you can generate your own certificate on any computer
it just won't be trusted by someone else's web browser
 
It isn't trusted by anyone though.
 
@DanGrossman: it will not be from the trusted center
and this can be an issue for users
 
How do you get a free one from one of them?
 
let i find, sec
 
1:37 AM
I get a free one with my hosting.
But that's "free"
 
@DanGrossman exactly, but it would still be better than raw http right?
 
@Dave: trusted and non-trusted certificates are the same secured
 
@zerkms That's a client cert, no?
 
@mootinator: ?
 
@zerkms Ah, I see they issue both.
No different than what I already have though.
 
1:41 AM
Anyway, it could be a great opportunity for ones who don't want to pay for certificate ;-)
 
I need wildcard certificates, cheapest I can find for those is like $120 per year
 
hehe
and I need a ferrarry )
 
I actually need it =p
 
*ferrari
 
I have 3 domains that need SSL because I accept credit cards, and one which needs a wildcard because each user has their own subdomain and these all need SSL because the data is sensitive
~$200/year for certs
 
1:43 AM
is it much?
 
You can have 1 Ferrari or 15,000 SSL certificates. Your choice!
 
lol
if i would have 15 000 certificates (and projects they are attached to) - I definitely will have a ferrari
 
I think I might go on cacert's bugtracker and try to close something.
 
quibnn1000 overdose in the starred bar detected
*-b
 
heh
his new site, I can barely read it without facepalming
 
@DanGrossman It's the excellent use of css.
 
Quinn does not believe in CSS, he writes his webpages in ASSEMBLY
With the goal of being as perfect as his M1A1 tank, whose million lines of code were hand written in ASSEMBLY by the brightest developers on the planet. As he said last night.
 
How else are you going to assemble an animal?
 
We'll just virtualize it with hot swappable code until the animal can't tell it's not real.
 
The singularity is happening.
 
2:02 AM
Oct 26 at 11:58, by Quinn1000
we're spending a lot of money shooting a guy with his ass painted green shooting a turd into the air... let's spend the same amount of effort recording polar bears BEFORE the ice caps melt
 
stupid question. can resharper draw a line connector between the start and end of a If Then Else?
so you can visually see the scope of the If Then Else?
 
That would make me buy it.
 
I have seen it before somewhere.
 
I put my mouse cursor at the "if" so that as I scroll down, I know I have not left its scope until I find a curly brace that lines up with the cursor... :x
3
 
@Dan ...
srsly...i use a 10 inch ruler
haha
 
2:05 AM
@DanGrossman +5 Funny
 
@DanGrossman i do that too ><
 
I'm just going to throw this out there
Sometimes
Sometimes one accidentally puts an if where they should have put an else if or vice versa.
 
just shows how primitive our tools still are
 
notepad++ can do that ;-P
 
Sometimes that just doesn't register in a tired old developer's brain.
 
2:07 AM
where have i seen it then.
 
throw out your VS and R#
 
probably ultra edit
 
I suspect
 
hmm and what do we call the line matching doohicky?
 
notepad++ might be missing a few features of resharper.
 
2:08 AM
has it a special name? IfThenElse connectors?
 
my editor only folds classes and functions :/
 
@DanGrossman time to update notepad.exe?
 
the folding of local {} is pointless imho
folding of methods is enough
 
I switch editors all the time, I haven't found anything I really like
right now it's Aptana Studio
 
aptana++
i'm on aptana 1.5
the latest best their release
 
2:11 AM
Aptana 3 looks really nice if you're using Rails
 
yeah, but for php 1.5 is the best
 
built-in debugger, heroku & engine yard deployment, git, built-in terminal for gem/rake/etc
 
since they cut off aptana-php in v2.0
 
i like netbeans
i know... its fail to some ppl
Visual Studio and Netbeans +1
 
I like netbeans
Except for the slow.
 
2:16 AM
^
same reason i stopped using Eclipse
 
it is fast enough on my 1.8ghz core 2 duo
 
Wired Magazine named my laptop "computer of the year" this month.
Stuff's still slow.
 
cannot work on notebooks :-S
 
My desktop (AMD Phenom 9850 quad core) is only ~20% faster than my laptop (Intel Core i5 M 450)
i write more code on the laptop now
keyboard is even more comfortable
 
i only watch movies on the laptop
 
2:27 AM
^ Just recently found that neat program for multiple desktops that integrates with Win7's taskbar previews
 
@DanGrossman: haven't you tried to move project explorer to the right side?
 
Why?
 
nice dropbox and windows security...
:-{
 
I found it is handy
 
UltraMon?
 
2:30 AM
no that icon's the multi desktop thing too
dexpot
 
i use the right-side position for any additional eclipse bars long ago
 
i have ultramon on my desktop computer, i use it to stretch wallpapers over multiple screens
ooold pic
 
they definitely need to be calibrated ))
 
both of those monitors have broken since then :/
built with defective capacitors
i repaired one myself, then decided it wasnt worth the work to fix the other so just bought a different monitor
LOTS of search results for 'samsung defective capacitors' :|
I read about a Chinese company stealing the formula for the liquid inside capacitors from a Japanese company, but the formula was missing some parts, so they sold tens of thousands of capacitors that only lasted a year instead of many years.
I wonder if it's related.
 
:s that's not good... I have a samsung
 
2:40 AM
I use samsung f2380 at home
 
Does it ever make high pitch whining noises?
Or flicker when you turn it on?
 
sure no
 
mine makes a whining noise when it's turned on but the computer is off and the LED sits there flashing
 
that's not good
that's the sound of a capacitor slowly dying
when it dies the monitor just won't turn on anymore, the power light will say it's on but the backlight wont power on so the picture will be black :/
 
oh, yes, the most terrible thing is that f2380 has wide LED flashing when it is turned off
 
2:47 AM
I have a dying Acer.
 
I replaced the dying Samsung with an Acer that has yet to die.
 
Either that or the $2 DisplayPort to DVI cable I bought is defective.
 
Should I be worried? :) Hmm
I need one of those
 
"has yet to die" -- how to translate this? :-S
 
"undead"
 
2:49 AM
is not broken...yet!
lol
 
ok ;-)
 
i can't believe McRib is back
 
I've had three!
 
@DanGrossman I didn't believe you till you posted that pic :o.
 
@DanGrossman did you see my coke billboard? (I'm gonna run it into the ground if it kills me!)
 
2:50 AM
since 2001 when i bought my first PC, i had 4 monitors. None of them had broken
 
No, please share :)
@zerkms I have a 15" LCD from that year that still works... and a 20" Dell UltraSharp I paid over $700 for in 2004... they used to be built better!
@david They're only $1.99 too! I couldn't resist buying one
 
I can't believe the Double Down is gone :(
 
If you get the meal here you get the second one for a buck
 
It is? kfc.com still calls it "new"
I have never had it though
 
Well, supposedly gone from Canada.
I don't know about everywhere else.
 
2:53 AM
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Double Down & Large Poutine = lolgrease
 
:x not even food
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3:11 AM
Is it just me, or does this guy have too many irons in his fire and not enough focus on the problem at hand?
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Q: Databound DataGridView not sorting date correctly

clawsonMy DataGridView is not sorting my date column correclty and it doesn't seem to be sorting it by String either. The column is bound to a date property, all is done using the designer. The set which I'm viewing it on is 424 entries long, there should be two entries for each date and they should be...

 
He only has two questions that are less than a week old... he should be accepting the old ones by now
 
@DanGrossman that was my point. Did you read his comment to me? ;)
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Q: What's the cleanest way to branch based on which conditional broke a while loop in Javascript?

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Unanswered question is unanswered :(
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Q: Can I Tell Visual Studio not to Change the DPI of a Project?

mootinatorI have a project converted from .NET 1.1 to 3.5 being developed in 2008. If I open the project on Windows 7, it converts the size of everything to 120dpi sizes. If I then open it with 96 dpi it changes back. Is there any way for me to develop so it looks good in both, and not have Visual Studi...

 
Why doesnt he SQL Sort by Date?
for the guy with the grid problem?
Who relies on the grid to sort data?
 
3:24 AM
@JeremyChild because I imagine he's got something else sorting it. That's why I asked for a screenshot.
 
@drachenstern Something else? Like who? The cookie monster?
 
I have an accounting question. Does net revenue deduct the cost of labor (I.E. salaries of employees)?
 
@JeremyChild like a different sort field, or like the dataadapter is doing something else
 
Doesn't DataGridView use SQL to sort? Maybe it's wired wrong.
 
@ChrisKlepeis umm i think there is Net and Gross as well with revenue
 
3:26 AM
Net means after expenses are withheld
@mootinator that is @JeremyChild's suggestion.
 
Accounting terms are too often context-sensitive; they have different definitions depending on what type of report you're producing?
 
In this programming contract I have it states "Net Revenue, defined by the gross (total) Revenue minus all taxes and fees" ... i need to know if "fees" could include the cost of paying the salary or hourly wage of the companys employees
 
@mootinator your question: what project settings can you force? I think you can force the resolution in your code pre-load
@ChrisKlepeis you're going to be better off consulting either a) the contract-party, b) an accountant, c) a lawyer
 
@ChrisKlepeis I don't think so, but what I think isn't very important ;) Revenue is before expenses, after you deduct wages you're talking about net income or profit
Do what @drachenstern said
loads up QuickBooks
this is an odd year
Before the economy went to hell, I had higher gross income but lower net profits, now I have lower gross income and higher net profits
 
If it doesn't spell out EXACTLY in the contract or in any spec you have, then go back and clear it up. There's not much else you can do. Make sure you know what the customer intends, don't guess. That's just common sense tho huh?
 
3:35 AM
:facepalms again: I left a sarcastic comment on a TechCrunch article decrying a "gaping security hole" in another website by not using SSL to encrypt the login form... mentioning that their DISQUS comments don't use SSL on the login form either... and a DISQUS representative actually comes in and replies that this is a serious issue they're going to address.
 
@DanGrossman best to keep your mouth shut eh in that case...
 
Hah, doesn't matter to me what DISQUS does... I was never concerned about there not being SSL on every blog's comment form
Imagining that this is a "gaping security hole" is the kind of thinking that's led to groping every passenger as a prerequisite to traveling by plane, when nobody's actually trying to blow up planes in the first place.
 
As some of you may know, you can schedule events for chat rooms. Get your suggestions in via star. We can get someone in for a Q&A, discuss specific stuff, anything you like. The weirder the better.
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Oh, we have lots of awesome starred stuff in this room
Let's get an expert in to talk about programming Malaysian Tigers
and virtualizing Polar Bears
 
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3:43 AM
Let's get Steve Buscemi in to discuss why he's afraid of Twitter.
 
If he's afraid of Twitter, won't he also be afraid of SO chat?
 
Hmm, possibly.
 
I like the idea of roping in a programmer whose views would be interesting (not Jeff or Joel or Skeet, they don't count)
 
Dijkstra please
if not him, then Turing
 
Someone needs to coax Kathy Sierra out of hiding.
Her blog was amusing.
 
3:46 AM
It's the internet, so we won't know the difference if you just bring in a bot that passes the Turing test instead of dead scientists
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@DanGrossman - Good call on Dijkstra, not sure Turing is about
 
they're both dead =p
but would've been excellent to chat with!
 
As Dijkstra might have said, "Resurrecting programmers considered harmful"
 
Oh yea. Hmmm
2002 as well. Missed that.
 
We can get RMS in here to give an hour long speech on why software patents are evil, followed by a 10 minute conclusion where he tells you that there's no hope of fixing them so don't even bother getting fired up about his previous hour long speech. Then we can ask him how many more decades it'll take for him to finish the next version of Emacs.
 
3:49 AM
@DanGrossman - Hey, you have to admire purists
 
Richard Matthew Stallman (born March 16, 1953), often shortened to rms, is an American software freedom activist and computer programmer. In September 1983, he launched the GNU Project to create a free Unix-like operating system, and has been the project's lead architect and organizer. With the launch of the GNU Project, he initiated the free software movement; in October 1985 he founded the Free Software Foundation. Stallman pioneered the concept of copyleft and he is the main author of several copyleft licenses including the GNU General Public License, the most widely used free softwar...
 
He was right about Java
 
Not until Java was in its decline anyway
he was wrong about it when it mattered
 
@DanGrossman - doesn't matter. RMS' beard is really doing the thinking.
 
haha
I've met him. He demanded coca-cola and was barefoot.
 
3:51 AM
@DanGrossman His beard demanded ... his beard was
RMS has got that thing .... wizard disorder
 
#1 result for "wizard disorder": aspergers
 
Let's get Wil Wheaton in here. Just because he'd probably do it.
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Aspergers == wizard disorder lold
 
I dont want to hear about Wil Wheaton
he ruined Big bang theory
 
3:54 AM
That might be "shifty wizard disorder" tho
 
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Q: Store $.post responses from $.ready but load on demand?

Corey CooganThat title is a mouthful and a bit confusing, but you are still reading this so I guess there's hope. I have a workflow interface that has several different types of steps that can be added. I am creating each step type independently in its own PHP file. When a step needs to be loaded, I call $...

 
@JeremyChild I thought the writers did that.
 
Where do they come from? Out of the woodwork?
 
@Mootinator Sadly.
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Q: Databound DataGridView not sorting date correctly

clawsonMy DataGridView is not sorting my date column correclty and it doesn't seem to be sorting it by String either. The column is bound to a date property, all is done using the designer. The set which I'm viewing it on is 424 entries long, there should be two entries for each date and they should be...

I answered that with the simplest of answeres
bet we dont get a response back.
 
@JeremyChild I didn't post an answer apropos on purpose. I can think of at least three ways to fix his problem.
I want to make sure I know what the problem is tho, and I can guess that it's a SQL issue, which I believe you alluded to before. But I have a feeling that its sorting a different column.
Wait and see.
It's like on this question:
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Q: Store $.post responses from $.ready but load on demand?

Corey CooganThat title is a mouthful and a bit confusing, but you are still reading this so I guess there's hope. I have a workflow interface that has several different types of steps that can be added. I am creating each step type independently in its own PHP file. When a step needs to be loaded, I call $...

I was short and rude for a reason. I have my response prepared for the first person who comments on that.
 

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