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1:10 AM
That was a strange day off in that I feel like I worked a lot.
 
Do you feel like you worked a lot or did you actually work a lot? ;-))
 
I answered a lot of work-related e-mail.
 
Hi, does anyone here know lots about linux?
 
@david try the unix.stackexchange.com site or serverfault
look at the bottom of the stackoverflow homepage
 
i tried that but it wouldn't let me chat :(
 
1:24 AM
Also, define 'lots'
 
errr, askubuntu.com
which is it?
 
and i'm not going to be able to earn 20 rep cos I know very little about linux
 
do you have an area51 account?
 
nope
 
that'll net you 101 on any other site ;)
so what's the question, maybe we can help
 
1:25 AM
I want to know if there is like a blank distro with no desktop environment and nothing preinstalled
well, other than drivers for the network card and stuff
 
why would you want that?
 
sounds like a partial gentoo install
 
it does
or any live CD booted to runlevel ... 4?
 
for me to use in a VM, where i only run a single piece of server software
 
oh, in that case you need to go look into server distros
 
1:26 AM
like mongodb for instnace >.>
 
you can install them headless
 
@david: gentoo
;-)
 
runlevel 3
just go ask about headless distro installs, you really do want the distro stuff
 
oh, it is already an answer about gentoo
 
1:27 AM
er, maybe headless isn't QUITE right. the point is, you can do it where there's no X
that's really what you want, a server without X
 
btw, i'm using gentoo at home server for about 3 years
 
i had a quick google for this gentoo thing... I compile it myself, and just leave out everything I don't need?
 
oh wow, that's a loaded question
 
@drachenstern ;)
 
@david: gentoo's main idea is that everything goes from sources
 
1:29 AM
@david I've known people to lose 6 months of their life to Gentoo
 
well, that seeems to be the whole idea behind it... there are very few precompiled binaries for it
 
is that a road you want to go down?
 
There are different stages of gentoo install, some of them involve more customization/compiling than others.
 
and you with help of gentoo portage compie it
@drachenstern: was they diven into gentoo as linux newbies?
it was about 1 week of experiments for me to install and work with gentoo
 
@zerkms you mean like @david here? Yes
 
1:30 AM
>< damnit, I kinda want to get it working tonight >.>
 
@mootinator: anything except stage3 is not recommended for using by not-gentoo-dev-team
 
should I just use a nice noob friendly distro for now, and switch to gentoo once i suck less?
 
@drachenstern I lost a week of work to Gentoo trying to set up an apache server on a 486.
 
still not as bad as when I suggested that a couple guys in Uni should recompile their kernels for performance gains and a guy spent three weeks reading through kernel source before coming up for air and saying he didn't understand
 
@david: depending on what are you trying to achieve
 
1:31 AM
@david that would be a good suggestion
you're going to want some gui tools before you go fulltilt cl only
 
if you want to examine and know linux - get gentoo, if you want to have it just installed and worked "somehow-magically" - get ubuntu
 
@drachenstern Then after a week they tell me "OH... We have this fancy Windows server 2003 machine we never found a use for. Would that help?"
FACEPALM
 
i want to have 2 installs, one with node + python, the other with mongodb + whatever it needs
 
zomg
srsly?
 
genkernel --install all // that is enough for linux newbie to compile linux kernel
 
1:33 AM
wow @mootinator I would've shot someone
 
@zerkms Unfortunately 100% true.
 
i don't need a pretty interface, cos it will be in a VM and i'll have the internets readily available as a command line reference
 
*err: linux -> gentoo
 
that's ok, I found out yesterday I had a spare 2.8TB drive just laying spare on my db server (as opposed to the 800 I was dealing with independently (guess where my data is currently migrating to?)
@david you overlook the beauty of a UI
you also have not used VirtualBox before
I can tell
 
@david: since you're newbie and wanna get it working today - the only possible way for you is ubuntu (or suse)
 
1:34 AM
the commandline is totally a ui >.>
 
@zerkms edit that, remove the offender
@david trust me
 
offender?
 
voice of experience and reason
 
and i have virtualbox working! what makes you say i haven't used it before?
 
remove suse man, he needs simple
 
1:34 AM
btw, in windows i also suggest to use vmware player, instead of VB
 
ok, you haven't used Ubuntu server in VBx then
 
@zerkms why is that?
 
how's that
 
i started with suse? ;-)
 
i haven't used ANY linux except at uni ><
 
1:35 AM
@david: i've got for me it is more performant
 
@zerkms and then you recommended ubuntu ;)
@zerkms he needs up, not performant
when he needs performant he can goto gentoo
 
@drachenstern: nowadays ubuntu is more preferred for newbies
@drachenstern: okay, VB is much slower than VB on windows
 
all I'm saying is put ubuntu server (with X) in a VBx and let it go
 
err, VM in 2nd case
virtualbox is damn terrible on windows, just believe
 
@zerkms it's just a VM container
I've used it on both Windows and Linux
 
1:37 AM
really? even with hardware virtualisation support?
 
and run both types of guests
 
i know what it is, but it wastes CPU
 
I meant, it doesn't matter which you choose
 
i can switch later yeah
 
and it has native Vx support
 
1:37 AM
on my c2d (with h/w virtualization) virtualbox works much slower than vmware player
 
anyways, @david use X, install Ubuntu, and just play with it
 
I don't need to play with it though :S all I need is to run mongodb and leave it
 
you misunderstand me
I meant play with it like get mongo installed
 
@david: the time you're repeating you need it here - you could install it and already go to bed
 
it will be part of your infrastructure to have mongo around, which you'll be playing with mongo
 
1:39 AM
;-)
 
so you'll still be playing with it
 
@zerkms unfortunately i'm at work! i'm trying to mentally prepare myself for when i get home
 
just not fiddling with the OS
 
@david: then: a) download vmware player b) download ubuntu 700mb cd c) google for "ubuntu mongodb howto" d) ... e) PROFIT!!!
 
vmware player lets you create a new VM?
 
1:41 AM
yes
 
Ubuntu are teh win
 
oh wow
I didn't think the player would let that happen
 
for now it is free and allows almost everything that not-free VMware workstation can do
@drachenstern: it was added for about 1.5 years ago iirc
it could not before
 
can vmware player run virtualbox images?
im pretty sure the other way around works
 
vb can run vm's images
 
1:44 AM
just feeling lazy and want to do it in virtualbox and switch later if i want more speed
 
@david: for me the difference was x3 times faster
so not more speed, but more speed
for unknown reasons VB on my windows 7 just ate all the core at 100% and was terrible slow
 
o_O weird... mine doesn't do that!
mine runs quite happily :S
 
yeah mine doesn't do that either
AMD or Intel?
 
i guess i don't actually use it for much....
 
intel core 2 duo e6300
 
1:47 AM
intel i7 860
 
argh, the elictricity is lost here
(how to say this in proper english btw?)
 
the power is out?
 
the power is out
 
yup
thanks
 
I hate that.
 
1:48 AM
UPSes are screaming :-S
 
Last time the power was out here was for two hours.
Which disappointed me, because I had a bet in my head going as to whether the laptop would die, or the UPS powering the DSL first.
 
laptop + extra slice battery + any android cell phone = 10-12 hours of internet without power
 
2:12 AM
@DanGrossman what is that?
 
it's the slice battery he's talking about and showing where it joins underneath to the middle of the laptop
you can see the nub in the middle, and the copper pads
 
sweet...
so its an extra battery?
why can't panic.com/coda be for PC...
:(
 
on the bottom of the picture is an extra battery, yes
 
so...my concept. A Snippet repository, a project repository, a link/bookmark manager, text editor, project time manager, timeline and todo manager. With integrated Stack Overflow. Who wants to help create?
Its a Win app.
 
@JeremyChild "Dedicated Mac SVN clients cost up to $60 — Coda 1.5 adds Subversion for free." <-- Oh, c'mon! Is it true, that on Mac OS X you must to pay for any utility?
 
2:26 AM
There is probably a $1 app that would answer that for you
 
@OlegKuznetsov use of the word dedicated on mac costs $20 per cpu cycle.
 
hehehe
 
seriously tho...my App idea... brilliant eh?
:-D
 
@JeremyChild: what exact question will your app answer?
 
@zerkms How can i store all the code snippets, refernce material and documentation for a project in an application, along with todo and time management?
 
2:29 AM
hehehe
cout << "SVN";
 
OMFG dont you ask that question in programmers or i'll inject a js virus into ...your pc
 
btw, mercurial ftw [holywar mode on]
 
@JeremyChild Hm... Why should it be "dedicated" (oh, snap) and not a pack of plugins of Komodo Edit or any other editor?
@zerkms +1
 
@OlegKuznetsov: because it is a mac
meanwhile, "dedicated" clients are often more handy
such as tortoisesvn for windows
 
Hmm true.
Point taken...
Ill dizzy up a UI quickly
and show why it should be dedicated.
 
2:31 AM
i've tried several attempts to migrate from tortoise* to any IDE plugin
with no luck
 
@zerkms No, no, I'm about @JeremyChild's app
 
ah
 
Yeh oleg i like your suggestions.
But it shouldnt be tied to an editor
like mofos who use Dreamweaver will be left out..
or worse yet Visual Web Developer 2010 ....puke
 
2:44 AM
Uploading...
basically context and index the crap out of your projects...
 
needs more curved borders and animated gifs
 
ffs.. its a wireframe.
 
i want solutions, not excuses
 
Yes sir.
I have those 30k lines of code done by lunch.
 
sweet, send me an email, i'll be on my yacht
playing golf
trying to hit dolphins
i'll be using grenades instead of golf balls
 
2:48 AM
@david Your the best project manager ever David... swoons
 
i try my best <3
i'm quite impressed by the amount of tutorial information for this mongodb thing
 
just curious, what are the reasons for you to use K-V storage?
@david: that was to you ^^^^^^^
 
because i want to push the envelope
it's intellectual curiosity i guess
i like the idea that i can use javascript for the db, and the server, and the client
 
is rediculous
...seriously.
 
hahaha, i'm not going to argue that
 
2:55 AM
Well it will never happen in enterprise.
Thats my 2cents.
 
indeed, client should never have direct access to a storage
that is my humble opinion
 
Yep which is why i cannot understand the usage of MongoDB.
unless its completely useless data...
 
the client doesn't have direct access to it though?
 
client should interact with storage through some sort of application server
which contains some basic logic to authorize/log/etc
 
n-tier +1
 
2:59 AM
yep, the N-tier definition as-is
 
yeah, i agree with that, i intend to use 'Node' as the server
 
as for me, i think that all that K-V storages are just modern trend, nothing more
 
Like NoSQL
...trend.
 
yes, that is what i wanted to say
forwarding a lot of articles - people don't understand why they do really need in nosql
 
Infact... I think the heavy reliance of Javascript is also quite a trend.
although there is nothing to replace it except for server side code.
 
3:02 AM
they just use it because it is so-now
 
i explained ORM to my cousin and hes like "So its NoSQL"
and im like "Umm dude. No"
I rexplained it and hes like "So it steals elements from NoSQL..."... i gave up
 
lunch time
 
<3 my code i just wrote.
System.Reflection = GodLike
 
3:50 AM
@JeremyChild :/
 
4:06 AM
NOSQL is the future! /leave
 
ahaha
 
4:30 AM
@zerkms it's all about the mindest. I prefer VisualHg over tortoiseHg
 
i use VS Express, it doesn't support plugins :-(
 
oh crapola
that's why you can't get past tortoise*
 
so that means no resharper for you either? oh what crap!
 
why it is tortoisehg screenshots there?
nope, no resharper ;-)
i don't use warez :-P
 
4:37 AM
because it's a visual studio wrapper to hook into tortoise :p
lmao, R# === warez
too funny
 
VS is too expensive to buy it home
 
all VisualHg really does is keep track of the directories and pull up tortoise for me
@zerkms agree with you there
I just meant the crap part was no plugins
also, VS + tools is WAY more expensive
 
yup... but VS Express provides a ways to integrate with 3rd party apps
with running CLI commands and handling ouput to "output" tab
 
the boss the other day, after trying to bust me on reformatting code by hand, decided that the tool was useful after all and so started figuring the costs... said he was gonna buy 6k worth of tools for us real soon, I was all :O
 
that is how I've got NUnit
 
4:39 AM
nice
I need to get more familiar with unit testing tools for ASP.NET so I can get my team using them
 
i'm tdd maniac %)
 
once I can automate the testing parts I can start to look at something resembling CI
;)
 
i practice tests since 2005
*practise (such a weird word)
 
I pretend to practice tests ;)
you had it correct the first time
now treatise is spelled like that, but it's not the same at all ;)
 
to practise - is a verb, practice is a noun. isn't it?
 
4:41 AM
yep
we have a lot of those
to run, run
 
english is so terrible :-(
 
to draw, draw ... to play, play .... to keep, keep ...
yes, pretty much so
 
it's always practice in USA
 
and now i even haven't enough time to continue learning it
*have no
 
@zerkms a) you're doing pretty damned good, and b) keep talking to us
@zerkms the way you said it here was fine
have any comments on this?
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A: Propose a new 20k reputation privilege

drachensternAllow users with 20K (or higher?) the ability to force-accept answers on questions with a documentation trail and requirements? I'm just spitballing, but it could work. For instance: User with (only ever) one question asked on Mar 2009 that had two answers, to which the second was "I figured it ...

 
4:43 AM
b) that is why i'm here ;-) SO for me in the first place is just a practice-place
"Allow users with 20K (or higher?) the ability to force-accept answers" - it is a good and bad decision
 
yeah that's what I want. Feedback. :D
I know it's not perfect, this is only a proposal
 
Oh, it also would be nice if high-pointed users have less frequent captcha page
it is really annoying, especially the bug of losing some formatting after captcha
 
@zerkms so go put it on meta.so
 
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Q: Reduce Captcha threshold for high rep users

Jian Lin Possible Duplicate: Why is Captcha for higher rep users even necessary? Increase captcha threshold for post editing for 5k users It happens when I want to edit the question a little bit better, but if I edit already, and have to edit within the next 10 seconds or half a minute, then i...

uhm, it is marked as completed
 
oh well
 
4:53 AM
:-S
 
5:06 AM
ubuntu is now downloading!
 
@david cool. You did get the server disk, not the desktop, right?
it's not TERRIBLY different, but there are differences
 
i looked at both, and decided to get the desktop...
should i abr0t and get server?
aborted
ubuntu server is now downloading!
 
lol
ok
 
how long will it take to download?
 
also consider keeping a copy of the desktop disk on hand for "emergency fixes" on other people's computers. That will be a good thing to have after every release
 
5:09 AM
at home I have 4mb/s for 70$/mth
:-S
 
zomg, I have 1.5Mbps/$40
it's horrid
 
i don't even want to know what mine is :( im in NZ
 
@drachenstern: 1.5mbits or mbytes?
 
megabits
in the US we don't purchase DSL in megabytes
 
1.5 for 40 is not cheap :-S i thought you have much cheaper internet
 
5:13 AM
I live "in the country"
so it's a problem of infrastructure
 
hehe
 
from here to the nearest "town" (the village I live in is about 1500 people) is 20 miles
that's still 20 more miles from the larger city here
 
some employer, please, take me to the usa country too :-) i agree to live in a small town :-S
 
for now it is almost impossible to get h1b visa
 
5:15 AM
now when I move to the larger city in December (or January) then I'll have access to the cheaper faster internet. Then I will pay about $40 for 6mb/s service
@zerkms that is true for all people looking to immigrate to the US
 
anyway, i did not send documents to take part in green lottery, because my girl doesn't agree to live in usa :-S
*greencard
 
ah for the love of a woman ;)
 
yeah, between usa and her i decide to choose her ;)))
 
heheheh, good choice
so I think it's about time for bed
 
that is we ;-)
 
5:19 AM
NICE
are you married?
 
-40
C
nope
 
that's pretty chilly
dl finished!
 
woohoo
 
powering up
 
woot
 
5:27 AM
first google! what is LVM? sounds familiar, but nfi right now
 
it is logical volume manager
you don't need it for the first installation
it is a tool for control your hdds in a very flexible manner
for example, with lvm you can split 2 harddrives into 1 logical volume
 
hmmm
 
*split -> implode
 
i'll use it anyway and see, can't do any harm
 
argh
"unite" is the right word
@david: i recomend you don't use for the first time
it can be painful
 
5:30 AM
if it's there, and i don't use it, it can't kill me or set anything on fire can it?
i told it to just take the whole disk as a partition anyway
 
for the first installation the most suitable way is just to use default values for the things you don't know
 
the default WAS to use it!
 
:-S
i installed ubuntu just once in my life and it was soooooo long ago
if so - use default, but as for me - it is unneeded complexity for new guy
i never need in LVM, so I hadn't even try it
 
if i don't use it it doesnt matter if it's there or not
w00hoo!
it booted
and i logged in
i take it server has no desktop prettiness?
 
is it already installed? :-S
 
5:39 AM
yes!
 
extremely fast
 
welll
it was into a VM, so that's probably cheating a little
ohnoes
curl is not installed!
 
try apt-get curl
 
yeah i did
it's quite a friendly console, it tells you exactly what to do
 
ah, it noticed you that right after you typed not existen "curl" command?
 
5:45 AM
yeah
it was like 'this is not installed, type this to install it'
it's now downloading mongodb ^^;
 
hehe, ubuntu is for really lazy people
;-)
 
anyone proficient in prolog?
 
hmmm.... the quickstart guide now tells me to do things in 2 different terminals...
 
hi.....
 

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