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12:59 PM
The way the vote is casted (either automatically by some timeout or "manually") doesn't matter.
 
@Sofffia Yes, and not voting effectively makes that non-unanimous.
Positive default changes that.
A negative default keeps everything working as is.
 
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@vimes1984 Be careful with online C++ tutorials; they're almost always shit.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Except that by now most of the rule changes would have been rejected.
 
@Sofffia That's less of a problem than letting them be accepted
 
just what i was reading in that thread!
I'll get a book
 
1:00 PM
@Sofffia Well, that's how unanimity works.
If not everyone is on board, it's not unanimous.
 
Again, no.
 
@Sofffia only because you are still requiring unanimous votes.
 
Otherwise it's incredibly exploitable
 
I was looking for a simple hello world I just don't know the work flow...
 
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@CatPlusPlus Ah, I see. Fine for our use case though.
 
1:01 PM
Everyone voting positively != everyone must be active.
 
Having shit "unanimously approved" with only a few people is ridiculous.
 
And again for most of the things the unanimity requirement is going away very soon
 
@CatPlusPlus It's still a problem now.
 
It opens a door for sliding crap by
 
Positive defaults makes a bigger problem vOv
 
1:01 PM
We are already running very slowly. We don't need a rule that half of the time prevents rule from being accepted just because Sam or Me forgot to vote.
 
No, we're not.
 
But why do you want to automatically vote for
Game goes on whether rules are accepted or not
 
Sep 9 at 18:50, by R. Martinho Fernandes
I want to run a game of Nomic at a play-by-email pace (but not necessarily using e-mail). Ping me if you're interested.
 
@CatPlusPlus To not let absent people prevent active people from playing?
 
@Sofffia It doesn't...
 
1:02 PM
That's what default vote is for
But it doesn't need to be positive
 
Because that's what a negative default does.
 
@Sofffia It only prevents you from getting shit pass below the radar.
 
Negative default prevents situations where you miss the window and your default vote means a rule that's unfavourable for you got passed
 
Yes, that's why we should introduce a quorum and majority.
 
1:03 PM
That's already in
That's not the issue
 
Positive defaults also fuck up majorities.
 
@CatPlusPlus If you miss the window it means that you don't care enough.
 
Have you seen any voting system where absence is taken as positive vote????
@Sofffia No
 
Consider: 2 absent, 1 in favour, 2 against.
PASS
 
Yeah, I'm done.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Wat
 
1:04 PM
@Sofffia It's a majority: 3 positive, 2 negative.
 
Do you know what a quorum is?
 
well, it's true that a negative vote might make things harder to pass, but it's better make it hard to pass things then too easy. If it's a good proposal, it will be proposed again later.
 
@Sofffia That's what default positive vote enables
 
lolno
 
@Sofffia Can't have that.
 
1:05 PM
Yes
Every absent vote is 'yes' vote
 
Everyone must vote.
 
That means it's suddenly 4:1
 
zch
Do you think it would be interesting to have "auto-nomic" with rules codified as self changing program?
 
No, because I was talking in the case in which we have unanimity, not majority.
 
And it passes
 
1:05 PM
also, you might want to question if 'default votes' is actually participating. :P
 
I won't go over it again. I already spent time yesterday telling thecosh where to read the rules.
 
@Sofffia Which is going away for most of the proposals very soon
 
In case we have majority, I would be fine with a default negative.
 
In case we have unanimity I'd like a default positive.
 
1:06 PM
And the game goes on REGARDLESS of whether proposed changes are voted in ot not
 
If you don't like the unanimous votes, vote that rule out.
 
@Sofffia And that's the short-sighted part because we don't need that
 
Don't fuck up everything else because of that.
 
If nobody votes then entire circuit will be wasted, sure
But the next one will begin with unanimity going off
 
@CatPlusPlus Just add the clause "if unanimity -> this, if majority -> this". It's not that hard.
 
1:07 PM
@Sofffia Unnecessary complication
Also why do you want to autopass shit in unanimity is beyond me
 
It's not unnecessary and it's not a complication. Unless you are awfully dumb.
 
Just vote 203 into a fix.
 
@CatPlusPlus I'll make you see.
Propose this rule change, please.
 
I'll veto anything that turns silence into consent.
 
I wanna show you.
 
1:08 PM
No seriously why do you think passing is necessary for unanimity
 
@Sofffia so if everyone is gone, bar say me "I propose the wining score is whatever thecoshman's score is", I vote for, everyone else defaults for it. I WIN BITCHES!
 
(Also lol that enables default positive for transmutations)
 
@thecoshman You would deserve it.
 
Please guys, propose this shit.
 
1:08 PM
@Sofffia not really, it's a very cheap win.
 
I will never vote for default positive
 
I'll vote for default negative.
Just propose it.
 
And then you'll boycott us. Fine.
 
I wanted to make a conspiracy thread about it
 
It'll be my last vote until the end of the second circuit.
 
Ell
1:09 PM
Aren't you supposed to be talking about this on discourse? :3
 
But probably in the evening
 
Yeah, sorry @Ell.
 
Because iunno, university.
 
@Sofffia So we'll waste some time, whatever
You're being an obstructionist on purpose for no reason
Nobody is talking about anything else
 
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