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Bam Change window called perfectly. Also all work is done :)
 
 
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8:15 AM
I'm a tad confused about the wording for a badge. "You must have a total score of 100 in at least 20 non-community wiki answers to achieve this badge." Is that "100 up votes for each question" or "100 up votes from 20 questions in total" ?
 
 
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3:47 PM
@Epodax The total score of your answers in that tag has to be 100 (score = upvotes - downvotes). Questions don't count for the badge.
 
 
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5:07 PM
http://www.commitstrip.com/en/2015/09/10/top-online-n00b-mistake-sharing-fake-news/
CommitStrip - Blog relating the daily life of web agencies developers
Online n00b mistake #1 – Sharing fake news
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6:43 PM
'You can determine the speed the bus is operating at with the links provided.'- Exactly, which is why your answer does not answer the question (link-only answers are considered NAA). — cybermonkey 2 mins ago
 
user4639281
@cybermonkey "Because of potential link-rot, links should not be taken into account when evaluating the quality and usefulness of a post. Without the links in your post the is no useful information. Please consider [edit]ing your post to include the relevant information from the links."
 
'You can determine the speed the bus is operating at with the links provided.'- Exactly, which is why your answer does not answer the question (link-only answers are considered NAA). This is because links rot- while the links may answer the question now, they may 'expire' and not work in the future, rendering your answer useless. — cybermonkey 20 secs ago
the OP of the answer doesn't get this:
@cybermonkey - Regarding link rot, two of the links are to StackExchange sites, and context was provided pursuant to superuser.com/help/how-to-answer but I can see your point regarding link rot for the OS X one — matt burnett 1 min ago
 
> That doesn't really matter, you need to remove your answer (or a moderator will do it for you
This is not something this user will like to read
 
they may not want to hear it, but it's the truth and the only way they'll learn.
@mattburnett No. Your answer is Not An Answer (NAA), and will be deleted some-time in the (very) near future. — cybermonkey 21 secs ago
 
Oh, question
Is there any way to politely show someone the light when denial and denial-in-advance are used?
 
user4639281
7:12 PM
So my answer is at fault because the question is too clear or broad? Right... — matt burnett 2 mins ago
 
Plop @mattburnett
 
@Kyll All he's doing is saying 'Hey guys, here are some links I ripped off Google, now give me reputation I don't deserve.'
 
@cybermonkey Heh, I've been there too. You there @mattburnett ?
 
@cybermoneky, and you're talking about insults huh?
I linked to other SU/SE posts
 
user4639281
Welcome @matt
 
7:21 PM
provided context
hi tiny
 
@mattburnett I am not an SU user, only an SO one, so my perspective on this might be flawed
@mattburnett But the goal of SO and, I suppose, SU, is to build a knowledge base
@mattburnett So the idea is that when someone clicks on SO or SU he sees a question relating to his problem, and can see the answer below immediately
 
Do you actually have a storefront?
 
user4639281
@mattburnett You can link to other posts on the Stack Exchange network to back up assertions made in your post, however you should include some form of explanation in the post itself.
 
@kyll i can agree to that, and I had no quarrel with cybermonkeys concern regarding bit rot. if he would let me actually find an alternative solution which wouldnt by copying/pasting copyrighted content instead of arguing with me pointlessly then we might get somewhere
 
user4639281
@LynnCrumbling Yes
 
7:24 PM
Neat...
 
@mattburnett So he does not have to click again, or go check reference. He has enough material provided in the answer to make do
 
@kyll, as I mentioned, SU's Help site says links are acceptable if context is provided
 
user4639281
@mattburnett Yes, context meaning an actual explanation.
 
@mattburnett yes, but link only answers are not. if the page you linked to went away, would you still be answering the question?
 
@mattburnett If you are afraid of copy/pasting copyrighted content you can paraphrase it
 
user4639281
7:25 PM
Saying "The information that you're looking for is [here]" is not context
 
@mattburnett Hello and welcome! Usually on StackOverflow "context is provided" means if you couldn't click on any of the links then you would still know an answer to the question.
 
if he seriously disagrees with my opinion he is more than welcome to edit my answer
 
@Kyll You can post the content with attribution.
 
I am not sure how that maps to SuperUser, but I would guess it's similar
 
inb4 princess in another castle link
 
7:25 PM
the linked page is to another SE/SO site
 
@durron597 I have no idea, do all licenses allow that?
 
also, copyright laws allow for "fair use", meaning you can copy portions of it as long as you provide proper attribution
 
user4639281
@LynnCrumbling It was already linked in the comments
 
i would have difficultly trying to justify this as fair use
 
#$%^&*
 
user4639281
7:26 PM
@mattburnett Content on SE sites is CC-by-SA with attribution, meaning that you can copy the content if you so please, but you must include attribution.
 
the link we're referring to was to a non SE site
 
user4639281
@rene That would be @cybermonkey
 
i didnt dispute his concern regarding the link to the non SE site, and repeatedly said i'd like to correct it as he had a good point regarding link rot
 
@rene Not mine. runs away
 
but this continued harrassment by repeating himself does nothing but take up my time preventing me from fixing the mutally agreed upon problem
 
7:28 PM
Just add attribution and get the monkey off your back. <grin>
Worse case, SE gets a takedown notice or something. Which I doubt.
 
@mattburnett Well, in the case of the links to SU, the issue is different
 
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if you want to go around stealing peoples content that is your choice Lynn.
 
@Kyll and that seems to be the contention here, whether or not linking to SU/SE is the problem
 
7:30 PM
Invading the tavern
 
*is a problem
 
Indeed.
Oh, Brad's here too.
 
user4639281
Tavern invaded
 
6 messages moved from SO Close Vote Reviewers
 
If you want feel that way@rene, then feel free to edit my post as i'd disagree with you and meta.superuser.com/questions/8396/… does agree with m e
 
7:31 PM
@cybermonkey and others: please clean up that comment thread under that answer
 
@durron597 it wasnt my idea to discuss this here, it was @codemonkey
 
user4639281
@matt, you're misunderstanding the answers to the meta question.
 
how so?
 
user4639281
It specifically says post it as a comment or "Quote that answer (or reword it, possibly making it more valuable) and flag older (more specific) question as a duplicate"
 
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A: Are link-only answers fine if they link to Super User questions?

allquixoticLink-only answers are never fine. If you need to link to a SuperUser question or answer in order to answer a question, vote or flag to close the question as a duplicate of that question. If linking to the other question does not provide enough information, but you want to provide the same type ...

 
user4639281
7:33 PM
None of that says just link to other posts and you're fine
 
> Link-only answers are never fine
 
It says "Generally, links to other posts on Super User are not as prone to link rot as external links. It's quite reasonable to link to another answer..."
 
user4639281
Your answer has to actually add value, yours is just piggybacking off of the value of the original answers
 
@durron597 @cimmanon am i'm the one continuing it?
 
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user4639281
7:34 PM
"without repeating much. However, this is often an indicator of the question being a duplicate (in the sense of being answered over there, not being the same question). In that case, what we'll often do when we see these answers is 1) deleting the answer and 2) closing the question as a duplicate."
 
@TinyGiant then feel free to flag to question
 
user4639281
You can't just take a few words out of context and use it to back up your point.
 
What did i take out of context?
 
user4639281
"Generally, links to other posts on Super User are not as prone to link rot as external links. It's quite reasonable to link to another answer" is only part of the statement
 
Would you prefer me to copy/paste a wall of text and expect you to guess at what specifically im referring to?
 
user4639281
7:36 PM
I expect you to include the relevant information in your answer.
 
What I quoted was in context
 
@mattburnett @TinyGiant @cybermonkey Don't forget to clean the comment thread
 
user4639281
You're totally missing the rest of that paragraph which basically says don't do exactly what you did.
 
quote it
 
user4639281
"Generally, links to other posts on Super User are not as prone to link rot as external links. It's quite reasonable to link to another answer, without repeating much. However, this is often an *indicator of the question being a duplicate (in the sense of being answered over there, not being the same question). In that case, what we'll often do when we see these answers is 1) deleting the answer and 2) closing the question as a duplicate."
 
7:38 PM
The question being a duplicate isnt my fault...
and your quote never says dont do what I did, it says dont do what the OP did
 
user4639281
Duplicates should not be answered.
 
OP = question asker
 
> In that case, what we'll often do when we see these answers is 1) deleting the answer
 
I didnt consider it a duplicate, you did
 
What do you think it means?
 
user4639281
7:39 PM
If the answer to one question answers the current question then it is a duplicate
 
The question was upvoted at least twice so it is more than just me who would disagree with your opinion
 
user4639281
Posting a link to another answer as an answer explicitly implies that you know that it is a duplicate.
 
user4639281
A question being upvoted says nothing about its quality.
 
user4639281
It means that people clicked a button
 
@TinyGiant Contrarily to popular belief yeah ^^
 
7:41 PM
And they clicked that button because of what they belived
And again quality is an entirely different subject that what we're talking about
Would you care to stick to a single contention at a time rather than jumping back and forth?
 
@mattburnett there is a pending edit on that answer, please review it
 
there ya go @rene
 
user4639281
@mattburnett You made a point and I responded, or does that offend you?
 
huh?
you seem to be taking this difference of opinion rather personally
 
user4639281
Excuse me, again I respond to your comment and I'm doing something wrong. Oh, wait I get it now, you're a troll. Bye.
 
7:46 PM
lol wut?
well that was cowardly
 
 
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9:04 PM
@mattburnett Your question was fixed by another user, although you ignored the advice everyone gave you. I've removed my downvote, but have not upvoted as it was @rene who deserves it (for editing your answer so it actually answered the question).
 
It doesn't really matter, does it? Do we really need to make such a big deal of it...
 
Sam
9:17 PM
Stay tuned next week for: Stack Overflow Drama 'n' Friends, #102
 

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