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12:00 AM
@GrahamChiu This might sound confusing, but SQL for databases is the one domain that doesn't really need help. :) I'm hijacking SQL as a base syntax (which can be extended) as a starting point for non-database domains-- anything query-able, filesystems, web pages,log files.
If you want to tap into a database, we can open a port, and write SQL for the targeted dbms, and get the results back.
 
@Edoc yeah, but you're proficient in SQL. Most of us are not.
 
SQL can be learned in about ten minutes. :)
 
@Edoc so can rebol
 
It's the DMBS stuff which makes it much more complicated. I.e., the table joins, subqueries, etc.
As a syntax, SQL a little weird to make it seem english-like (maybe a bit like rebol, in the sense that there's syntax sugar).
But I'm fixing that.
So you can type clauses in your preferred order.
And you can create synonyms for keywords, and even create your own clauses, in rebol
 
you'd think there'd be a debugger
 
12:05 AM
So, a more flexible and expandable SQL for any kind of data hierarchy or lists.
 
so it can tell you where it failed ..where the bad data is
 
There ought to be a debugger. Oracle usually has a ton of error messages. All cryptic!
 
SQL needs a Rebol dialect
 
In the dialect, I've been in a holding pattern for a while.
I need to deal with nested scalar functions in SELECT clause.
 
so I could have used rebol to turn the whole thing into a rebol block and iterated through the rows until I found the bad data
 
12:07 AM
E.g., SELECT CONCAT("Price is:" ROUND(#current_price)) from %price-list.xml
 
Anyway, I tend to use a hammer as that's all I know
 
those nested functions (concat, round) need to be evaluated so they their rebol functions can be invoked.
so it's like building an interpreter inside a dsl
In fact, I think of what I'm doing as creating an interpreter rather than a dialect.
@GrahamChiu Feel free to write up some ideas to share. As I said, I'm kinda trying to stay away from databases, since those just need their platform specific SQL sytnax to be passed to them for evaluation and execution.
 
I suspect once I have finished reformatting these tables to have the correct column types I'll be done with SQL for another few years!
 
But I'm sure there are some good ideas there.
 
I just thought their quick sql looked enticing
 
12:13 AM
@GrahamChiu Definitely a fertile area for dialects... rebol would be good for something like quick sql, I agree
 
We've been two weeks now in lockdown ... anything looks attractive at this point!
 
Yeah, things have been really rough here. (New Jersey)
 
We are planning on squashing the virus out
 
Good luck. It helps to get ahead of it
 
1:09 AM
@GrahamChiu Looks like Arden could use some fresh air after modifying her list of 'essential workers' ;)
 
 
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10:52 AM
@GrahamChiu I already wondered how long it would take for someone else to get that idea. Just smack the virus into pieces and have the immune system triggered to clean up those pieces and thus learn to encounter the whole thing in the process.
 
@iArnold more when? :p
 
:-D
@Morwenn More when ever you feel like working on something useful. Whatever your desires here is the place to go and build it. No big community that will hold you back, blocking your ideas (We have no need for such-and-such here so you don't need it either)
@Edoc That was a rather interesting idea, to extend this toward other areas.
 
That's an empowering speech :)
 
That is meant to be! There are many open source projects out there, and most of them are more like closed, and if you can participate it will be the lesser jobs, some little bugs solving. The fun things where you actually can learn a lot are already done and tucked away in a humongous pile of sourcecode.
 
I hardly ever do big things to be honest, so it's never been an issue so far, but I do agree that it's complicated to provide contributions that matter to established open-source projects (unless you're on board for GSOC)
 
11:08 AM
I am now struggling with some GTK stuff and the like. But there is so much and it is not really friendly built, many things are based on having the standard stuf, making only one app at the time and this app has a single file with an xml like description of the GUI, very static, very much not how we like to be flexible using VID style GUI's.
And I certainly do not feel like building an XML from a layout block, so it has to go the Rebol way. But that is not to be found on internet because GTK development is just like it is and "we never need such and so here so you don't need it either" and their language of choice doesn't even have an EITHER. ;-)
 
To be honest adding anything relevant is difficult because it's one more thing to maintain
I lend a help to PCL (Point Cloud Library) and there are a few parts of the library that barely compile anymore because they were contributed by people who never showed up later - many algorithms implement straight from research papers that often use GPU features, so not the kind of thing anyone can maintain
With that in mind it's not surprising that maintainers of big projects grow up to be very conservative in what they accept
Hitting even closer from home I don't even know how some algorithms in my own projects work
 
@Morwenn Not if you take good care of your coding and documentation, then other can read and help maintain and get productive. This step is the thing that is usually skipped.
But it is essential in building a helpful community.
 
Which is the other reason many big contributions are turned down: not enough documentation
By the time you contribute a big enough feature to a big project you've generally fixed a bunch of bugs, tests and documentation issues along the way and you've become a stable member of the community yourself haha
 
I know from experience that I can't read my own code after some time. So I must make sure I explain what it is all about. It has saved me when I once returned to a previous job, I found the docs I had left the first time, albeit in a complete different place.
(And I keep private copies as well).
 
Somehow I tend to hunt bugs in open source projects and find solutions harder when it's for my job too: I can't really just wait so I have to find solutions or fix bugs myself if needed
Ha, fortunately I tend to document my code enough to read it again later - but my projects often include code that isn't strictly my own ^^'
 
11:21 AM
Two programmers solve the same problem in two different ways. Three programmers... N programmers
@Morwenn One of the things I often face is I want to know everything of how it works before but the trick is to change that mindset at a certain point and say, if I go deeper in I'll never get to solve the first problem so I accept that I do not know how it works from here.
So I hope i still can get some coding done this easter weekend now there is no social visiting time lost.
 
Same, but I've been surprisingly busy playing role playing games with friends through Discord and doing some other things totally unrelated to programming ^^
What are you working on?
 
12:15 PM
@iArnold Thanks, @iArnold. SQL is a logical syntax starting point, since 80% of all devs are familiar, plus a key audience of business/non-devs work with it. It's the universal "scripting language" of databases, but I think it can be a lot more interesting/flexible when applied to other domains.
@iArnold I've always been interested in dynamic interpreters like Interactive Fiction (Colossal Cave, Zork, etc.), and I was originally thinking of using an SQL-like syntax as a form of interactive command line for exploring datasets rather than dungeon/castle rooms.
And of course, each virtual "room" can be its own domain with its own rules/context. And so the syntax can change or be modified (by the user, if necessary) to adapt to the new shape of the data space.
My personal opinion is that rebol is a nice scripting language in a world where there are already lots of scripting languages. Rebol's superpower seems to be flexibility. But I personally can't think of many domains which really benefit from its hyperdynamics.
Except something like the project I'm describing. It's using the dynamism of rebol for domains which don't heavily focus on speed/performance, graphics, parallelism, etc. but would benefit from remarkable language flexibility-- like human language that Carl S hinted at.
 
 
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1:34 PM
@Morwenn Very ambitious, trying to give REN-C a GUI, using first GTK. Want to know how to test for installed libraries, so REN-C user can later choose and use the installed ones, like Qt and GTK
 
You're not lying when you say it's very ambitious o.o
 
2:04 PM
@iArnold One of my big regrets in projects I've done in the past is that I've tried to work on too many platforms, vs. going for the core of the problem on one system and making one great video that showed why the idea was important.
You can put firefox in a mode where it acts as a web server, and you make HTTP requests to it and it gets automated. You have to run it on the command line with a switch to do this.
Anyway, we only bump the git hash of what the page downloads if the test gets passed (or "greenlit").
But actually deploy the file before that, so we are getting a real world visit of the page and poke keys into the page.
@Morwenn Life is an RPG. youtube.com/watch?v=vakDAqx6KFM
 
wow, even Android and wasm
 
@Morwenn We make an APK. I know you hate videos, but in honor of our Italian friend, you might watch a little of his vid. youtube.com/watch?v=r5kccBehMMg Not only does he develop on a phone, he shot it on a phone. :-) Music for all the videos is mine, BTW.
Wish I had time for music, this stuff is decades old.
@Morwenn So as per my "I don't trust stackexchange anymore", I don't mean to be invasive or anything, but I'm wondering how you felt about the whole pronouns-and-firing, or if you just kind of felt like it was one of those "it shouldn't matter, and I'd rather not be involved" moments.
I think the firings were wrong.
I didn't follow Monica, really. But Shog9 was one of the people who kept the place in order.
Kind of made me feel like Jeff and Joel dropped the ball on all this.
@Morwenn (You can feel free to say no comment, if no comment is your opinion.)
yesterday, by Morwenn
I wish it didn't matter
^-- or just that, really.
I suppose at the end of the day it is sort of analogous to crypto.
 
2:28 PM
I didn't really follow the whole pronouns stuff, I haven't had a close look at the SE drama for quite some time
 
Well, I think everything was fine when there were people you could trust in charge.
Anyway, there was a big kerfuffle surrounding people demanding that in comments you use the pronouns they want, in the he-she space
 
From what I saw it seemed to be a mix of honest mistakes, failures to communicate properly, plus some stubborn opinions and a hefty dose of community drama added on top with the community side unwilling to forgive anyway and a SE side that didn't feel like it cared enough about the "why"
 
And an elected moderator was fired for questioning it and saying it was okay to use gender-neutral pronouns like "they"
Like, a 6-site elected moderator, fired for not being seen as a team player on a groupthink thing
:-/
My politics are weird in the sense that I was pro-gay marriage but also on the side of the supreme court saying the baker didn't have to make gay wedding cakes if he didn't want to.
I believe in the rights of the individual, and it seemed like there was a certain amount of prescriptivism that I didn't care for in a global knowledge base on programming.
 
I'm always on the fence with that one: on the one hand it can be fine to refuse service to clients, on the other hand that's also how discrimination thrives and doctors end up allowed not to take care of trans patients for religious reasons
 
@Morwenn Well, there certainly did seem, like it crossed a line and I feel like I'm probably in the unforgiving community... like I cannot be appeased now.
 
2:34 PM
SE is too big to avoid this kind of issues when they try to enforce rules on the global level
Reddit avoids those pitfalls by have per-community rules
 
I think, I've just felt like I give up so much of my time and knowledge, and I realize it always comes down to some guy who controls a domain name and all the links I've given out....
I mean, I had trusted SE to the point of using it to document most any tech issue I had
I'd post it as a question and answer it myself and link it in the source.
So there is a little bit of "too big to fail" implicit in that.
And I realized through some of it, part of that was faith in Jeff and Joel... I actually corresponded w/Joel back at MS in the day
Always thought of him as a big picture thinker
 
I still consider it a valuable tool, but I keep the tech aspect to tech and don't really look for the community aspect of the site anymore
 
Well my personal ban on it for Q&A is certainly a bit of a handcuff, like not using Facebook
But I think it makes me more creative; I've put in my time here.
 
I'm not a fair player: I keep using unfriendly services because they're still useful tool :/
I just hope that my legacy will be the positive outcomes, and less so the things I overlooked ^^'
 
@Morwenn Anyway, I hope the historical record paints me correctly. I got in a debate here and I said "I don't have to call a guy who puts on a dress 'she' if I don't want to. I also don't have to call Donald Trump 'Mr. President'." Guess which comment was flagged inappropriate. :-/ But I meant what I said, I don't believe in prescribed speech. And it was conditional, I said I don't have to. I didn't say I wouldn't, I said I didn't have to.
 
2:38 PM
(like videos, tried again but... >.>)
@HostileForksaysdonttrustSE well, the first comment would directly fall into the "transphobic" category since it is generally used by people who want to make the point that they're free to hurt others while looking politically correct x)
 
@Morwenn But do you think I am? (?)
I'm a futurist AI theorist and in general think AI need to have the same rights as people.
You are what you can emulate.
"Be careful what you pretend to be. Because you are what you pretend to be." --Kurt Vonnegut
 
@HostileForksaysdonttrustSE If I didn't know you more I'd totally put that comment into the "transphobic" basket to without giving it a second thought, downvote it and move on - but that's only part of the answer
You're among people who care a lot about free speech because you know that you probably won't use it gratuitously to hurt people, I don't think that you're explicitly trying to offend or hurt other people either unless it's somewhat warranted or they asked for it
 
@Morwenn Well, my general post-singularity type thinking is that it kind of sucks in general that you get dealt whatever hand you get and it's not like you got to make your character sheet. Maybe you're short and you wanted to be tall, maybe you're tall and you wanted to be short. The best we can do is to work on the systems of this world to solve that so we aren't living in a chaotic dice roll, and that takes tech and knowledge.
 
But it all goes back to the old "my freedom stops where it deprives other people of theirs" territory, or at least close to those waters
 
@Morwenn Yeah, well that's what I said about like supporting the baker who didn't feel like making the gay wedding cake. Would I? Sure. It would be fun, like dressing up little dolls in dresses, or making the cake look like a penis, I'd have a field day. but that's me. I don't expect everyone else to have my sense of humor or whatever.
When gay marriage was legal, they put up a rainbow SE logo, and some people had a hissy fit about it.
Joel wrote a post about his feelings on the issue.
 
2:48 PM
@HostileForksaysdonttrustSE Yeah, but the issue with the baker case is that this answer to LGBT is systematic: it starts with "somehow refuses to give a service" to "nobody gives us any service, it's exhausting" so I understand why it was more than just "some guy doesn't want to bake a cake"
@HostileForksaysdonttrustSE tbh I'm from the side that as long as I'm not directly hurting other people I show be able to do pretty whatever I want with my body - like, I don't even care about gender or whatever it as much as I just want to feel ok with myself, which encompasses much more
Arguments can't be made without looking through the context and society's lenses :p
 
@Morwenn I took actually two gender studies classes in college, from Sandra Bem. She wrote "The Lenses of Gender". Sadly, she died in 2014, as I found from said wikipedia page.
Yes. It's important to make stands for people. But it's not like you can use any kind of absolute. There are those who would manipulate anything for power plays. Using the good intentions and goodwill of others to push people around.
I mused a bit that it may not be an accident that the site SE replaced was called "expertsexchange.com"
So there may be something going on that is not what we think. I read and pay attention to details.
Hacking is real. It's around us.
I don't like seeing people being fired and sites being overtaken for something that's a single-letter hack. (s)he?
That's a Levenshtein distance of freaking one.
 
I'm probably not on the strongest side to make arguments about pronouns: I just don't correct people whichever pronouns they use for me unless there's an intention to hurt, and I strive to address people as they want to
It's just "be strict in what you send and tolerant in what you receive" all over again x)
 
@Morwenn Anyway, it just seems like it revealed the fragility of the platform. There was a remark from someone about Katrina, and they said it didn't create a third world country, it revealed the one that was already there.
@Morwenn Well, I recently kind of went another way on this. :-) Rebol no longer takes CR LF files unless you explicitly say you take them.
I am so sick of finding files with CR in them
 
Yeah, "be tolerant in what you receive" is often ill-advised in programming when it reaches certain levels :')
 
@Morwenn Well whatever you want. You've earned my respect, so I don't see anything you ask for as a power play.
 
2:58 PM
Power is boring without goals x)
 
Well. I just would like to fix software.
It's not fun anymore, so I'm looking to kind of bring it back.
Stallman was talking about what it was like working in computer labs before companies came along and copyrighted everything and made it miserable.
 
Try to fix people's health and yearn for a bright future :p
 
And he worried that there'd be a generation that didn't even know what it was like before.
So, he always saw his role as being a messenger, the person who remembered.
 
Fortunately open-source got a fair amount of established software again, even though only big companies have the necessary task force to bring huge applications to the table on a regular basis
 
They thrive on complexity that only works at scale.
Small entities can't staff up enough to live in the world they've built.
 
3:02 PM
Yup
 
Well, so that's why we're trying what we're trying.
It's incredibly difficult.
 
Plus only money can afford to form enough people to domains few programmers care about
 
I'm smart, I was smart enough to work for Microsoft Research when I was 20
But in some ways what I'm working on here is actually harder.
 
We've got a decent share of open-source in programming because programmers care about programming, more when it comes to domain-specific it's mostly proprietary solutions
 
But it is very... zen rock garden-ish, or Amish, as I say.
The old man who retires and goes to work on foundational stuff. It's a trope.
Like you leave society and go to tend a garden
 
3:05 PM
Hey, we need people to let usual problems behind and take the time to polish things sometimes
 
@Morwenn Anyway...I guess the fact is that I do think gender is a pretty core human programming thing, which puts it into the odd category of something that you're supposed to treat it like it doesn't matter... but then some people are like "it matters SO much because it's SUCH a big deal". I think we have to recognize you cannot have it both ways.
 
Well, it's hard to pretend that it's not a big deal for trans people :x
 
I sometimes say that my spirit animal is Bradley Cooper. If any woman doesn't react to me exactly as they would to Bradley Cooper, then they have offended me.
 
I guess that another thing comes into play: many LGBT* peeps rely on the internet for validation because they can't have that IRL
 
They have to erase their inner bias and realize that I am Bradley Cooper. Do not let my appearance or driver's license fool you.
 
3:08 PM
Hey, Jesus pulled that one off
 
He told girls he was Bradley Cooper? Well that explains a lot.
No wonder he got so popular.
 
It's all about what makes our identity and how much we care about it
 
If being Bradley Cooper was a core part of your identity then it'd probably be a big issue IRL too
 
Well, I think my point is, going back to what I said earlier about the lack of free will in your initial conditions.
 
3:11 PM
I had forgotten about that lucid dreaming page
 
I had a programmer friend who's actually a bit famous in FP, another ex-MS fellow
He said, that if you let people choose, they'd all choose the same thing
And so, the diversity from random luck of the draw, was sort of one of those "we live in the best of all possible worlds" situations.
And I'm like "uh, tell that to the kid born with no legs" kind of thing. I'm not a luck-of-the-draw believer. Randomness is not my god.
 
I don't really care about what being a "man" or a "woman" means tbh, I just identify as enby because deep down I don't want those to have too much influence on how I want to live - but it's difficult when society always reminds you that there are supposed to be tons of "meaningful" differences and how you are and act should depend on it
 
You might notice my icon is genderless and mostly just glaring at people.
I think I identify AI
 
I thought that angry was a gender
 
Also where I'm from. Amelia Island. You never noticed that did you? ;-)
 
3:15 PM
No, tracking people isn't among my habits x)
 
Well, it's AI. I told you I like details.
 
hehe
 
@Morwenn "care"? I dunno. I mean if I was on a personal ad site and I am clicking through and someone came who clicked female who wasn't, I'd think that was disingenuous. But it sort of points to the fact that the site isn't that good because it was forcing people into a binary choice when it wasn't binary. Chromosmally there's like a lot more things than 2
If I remember there are like seven chromosomal variants that are common
The only reason any of this really caught my attention was because it pointed to a power vacuum at SE
And people whose names we don't know, not a Jeff, not a Joel, were handing down firings
And it just to me was a reminder that no one is in charge here, that I would trust
I supported the logo change for the gay marriage thing and I liked that Joel posted about it, and his personal feelings, it felt very personal and so I was like "yeah!"
But what I liked about it was the sincerity, and openness.
This last thing didn't have that. It was a company of people you've never heard of deleting a lot of remarks and, like I say, it felt very... wrong.
@Morwenn I have a bit of Stockholm syndrome being a human in the first place. I sometimes read about video game toilets, and it gets to the "ugh, why would you draw that" phase. It's bad enough we have it here, why repeat it?
So I feel that way about gender a lot, also, I don't have gender dysmorphia, I have human dysmorphia.
 
@HostileForksaysdonttrustSE I've actually not answered surveys from time to time because it forced me to pick between "man" and "woman" a few times and I didn't care enough about the survey to pick one
 
@Morwenn I tend to go with the stock answers but lie about my birthday because none of their business.
 
3:26 PM
The community mods vs. SE power people did seem like a serious issue
 
Not that my birthday is a secret.
@Morwenn Well, they've sort of made their intentions clear. SE wasn't making money.
They closed the whole office in Denver that I visited.
 
@HostileForksaysdonttrustSE you're born too soon :/
 
Not making money is often a problem for companies, and will eventually strip them of their best intentions
 
@Morwenn I thought Joel could have solved it.
He's not dumb.
But by not responding to my mails, now I don't know.
 
3:29 PM
v0v
 
Maybe he is. Or maybe he's playing a bigger game?
 
Or maybe he doesn't want to care enough anymore because it's exhausting
 
Well, why don't we all quit then.
Let Trump destroy the planet. I guess that's the plan?
I dunno, I find it hard to accept everyone giving up.
 
One person can only be motivated and fight for so long
There's a bunch of fights I don't even pick in the first place because I know they will be exhausting
You've just got to decide what you're willing to give up
 
Well. The pronoun fight, I dunno, it's sad to watch a great pillar of knowledge falling to pieces over that.
Just makes me distrust humans so much more.
 
3:32 PM
To be honest the pronouns fight is just a catalyst, not a root
It would have been something else
 
You know I don't care, but like you said, you would have flagged what I said and moved on.
 
It just had to be that because the discussion feels relevant in our current history
 
Which... y'know, it's that automatic response that is what I don't trust.
 
Not flagged, just downvoted
 
It was a chat message
I was suspended from chatting for an hour
 
3:33 PM
Oh, I would have just moved on
 
Well it was TinkeringBell, do you know them?
 
If it was a flag brought to my attention without much context maybe I'd have validated it, simply because the argument has been overused to better discriminate
no
 
Anyway, it was a period of big firefight
Everyone and their dog was mad, I think it's mostly over
But for me, it just makes me think our foundations are not solid.
 
The community died a bit, the knowledge base will remain a while longer
 
Y'know, you or I or anyone should be able to take our ball and go home, but we should be able to take our ball.
 
3:35 PM
Maybe a younger community will rise from the ashes of the previous one
 
Well you are a later generation than I, I'm not sure what's going to happen. There are kids who are going to remember being taken out of school.
 
I mean SO-wise, not from an age POV
If the SO community dies, then maybe other people who weren't part of it before will fill the gap and create a different community on SO
 
SE did rise from "expertsexchange.com" (again, pointing out the name that seemed a funny accident no longer seems accidental), and their whole deal was not to be crappy the way they were.
 
Only people who witnessed the change remember that
 
So are we ready for what will rise up next? I dunno. I was livid watching people say they're like, "it's time for a new answer" and their answer was to write some ruby-on-rails-ish thing at another domain, as if that could end differently? Are they stupid?
 
3:38 PM
To most programmers it's just "that super helpful site with all the answers without which I couldn't write code"
 
How stupid do you have to be to think the answer to a problem is to repeat the pattern? That is known as the definition of insanity.
 
I mean, the SE community can rebirth later with other people, but the current ones need to give up first
Haha, it's just history
 
I realized, begrudgingly, that... I had been weak
I had used SE as a notepad
I should have been using something decentralized
It was laziness, the same laziness that gets everyone to give everything to Facebook, and I thought "well at least I'm not using Facebook..."
BUT IT IS FACEBOOK. It's the Facebook of programming.
And I'm freaking complicit.
 
Facebook is way worse though x)
 
Shame on me.
@Morwenn You tell yourself that, I told myself that.
 
3:41 PM
I mean, I've been on Facebook since 2007
 
I went on a hike in LA back some years ago and I was talking to this cute Asian girl for about an hour on the hike, and we got to the end and she said "hey what's your Facebook" and I said "I don't use Facebook" and she just said "oh" and walked off.
 
From a privacy, contents filtering, echo chamber and ads POV, Facebook is orders of magnitude worse
@HostileForksaysdonttrustSE and that's how they feed on people data
Anyway, it's time to do hard drugs
More specifically white wine
 
@Morwenn Are you on stay inside orders?
 
@HostileForksaysdonttrustSE yup, it's been a few weeks
 
@Morwenn Ohio, which is where I currently am (I travel) was on the forefront of closing absolutely everything, so I haven't been out in months. bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52113186
@Morwenn Weird, huh? I never thought I'd be in Ohio but that's where I was when this musical chairs game stopped... and the reason I'm here is (wait for it...) The Rebol Cafe
At some times this feels like some sci-fi novel.
 
3:50 PM
Oh, so you're not locked down at your own place
 
Nope, some girl's apartment.
 
I was looking for a house but that project will be a bit late
 
If I tried to go home I'd be quarantined, Florida is wacky. It's always wacky, but they just kind of find their own way to be wacky now.
 
Here they basically gave us two days to move before being confined
 
You are renting somewhere?
 
3:52 PM
No, I'm at my father's place, I've been there for most of my life
But he isn't there
 
Yes, well Florida is a house my parents own, I lived there for a year by myself, with a cat. But eventually they wanted the house. So that's why I travel.
 
Anyway, it's getting super hot in this room so I'm going to leave for a bit to chill
oh
 
In April? Well, chill out :-) Anyway, thank you for talking to me about the pronoun fight.
I don't mean to use you as a prop of the "look, I'm not transphobic" as if I were a Republican pulling out a black person like "hey, I have a black supporter!"
 
Just remember that sometimes you've got the opportunity to make someone happy instead of sad and that it's not always a power play :p
 
I hope you realize my real core is programming, more than human-ing.
We bond over that, I hope. Even if you like partying and music more.
 
3:55 PM
hehe
 
I also like partying and music, but... I guess I am kind of more of a programmer. It comes first.
<3 Be well, be safe.
Also, I might like you too.
But you're a programmer. Not a she or a he. You're a brain in a cranial jar, my friend.
It's nice to talk to you and get your perspective but I don't know I'm going to ease back into SE.
 

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