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12:36 AM
Sigh, DocKimbel. What I do like is how this is all recorded. If, by some chance, it turns out I'm an idiot and he's smart... then I will have a lot to learn. What an interesting day that will be.
I look forward to it.
 
@HostileFork sorry but forum upgrade in progress!
 
Beware people who haven't spent even as much as a half second to think with their brains and invoke "denotational semantics".
Sorry, moron.
 
@HostileFork had a chance to do any fixes on the odbc?
Or are you still struggling to get your gmail account back?
 
@GrahamChiu The recovery address was @hostilefork.com, which forwarded back to the gmail. I never really gave out hostilefork@gmail.com as any kind of legitimate address. I'm wondering if I should even care, and just let that die.
 
@HostileFork so which account is lost? Just the hf@gmail.com?
 
12:44 AM
h0st1l3fork@gmail.com is probably available, I should register it.
@GrahamChiu Eh, I can get it back, I just wonder if I care.
I probably don't.
The randomness of how I lost it is a reminder of what BS the whole affair is.
We, here, know enough to know that @gmail.com is a bad idea, we used the account anyway. Shame on us.
I fear for all those affected who don't have our insights, and if we set bad examples for them, what good are we.
We are supposed to be the rebellion, to set good examples.
What kind of mind trusts their identity to a system that won't even return a phone call.
(A broken one)
 
@HostileFork but progress is by a series of mistakes
Hopefully none that is too fatal.
I did write a mail server once ... maybe i should resurrect it .. but then the ISP didn't like me sending out mail on port 25
 
@GrahamChiu 2:59
 
Actually there's a few references to JSON being inspired by rebol. Where exactly is that? I see references to a youtube video but .. I can't sit and watch a 30 min video to confim the Crock.
I was going to link to the precise time in my answer to this question now on hold
 
@GrahamChiu "I have never heard about it and looking at 'the' page it's designed somewhere in the web 1.0 era. I checked the 'what is rebol' page and it's just completely full of bullshit. I would not touch it with a 10 foot pole."
There are some restaurants that advertise themselves based on bad Yelp reviews.
 
@HostileFork er ... if you are referring to the history, I deleted all of that.
 
12:55 AM
"I would not touch it with a 10 foot pole" - nutrecht
 
@HostileFork did he miss the word barge ?
This discourse software is pretty slick
upgrades are seamless
only downside is that no one can answer why the forum is using only two cipher suites for tls 1.0 :(
I was surprised to see Jeff Attwood seemingly question how this happened as though I were to blame and not his software!
 
@GrahamChiu Told you Jeff doesn't really shy from controversy, he has some of the most highly downvoted meta SO posts
He's kind of a troll, just a successful one, I know the type. ;-P
 
1:26 AM
He reminds me of another person, not here, who would blame me when I found bugs in his software
 
 
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2:31 AM
@GrahamChiu It's not ready for publishing yet. There are a lot of things missing, but I'll try to get it published in a couple of weeks
 
3:20 AM
@GeekyI Thanks for the PR. If you can find a better way of formatting the text in markdown, then I'm all for it, but that's the only way I could find.
I was thinking of ditching markdown and going to a different markup language.
 
3:45 AM
@GrahamChiu you do have the other one (rebol.net) written in asciidoc. Also Red official docs as well.. Actually, no problem with markdown, but it was the html stuff, specifically nbsp; that I was :/ about
 
@GeekyI I know, and that's what I found when reading markdown docs is that using nbsp; can be the only to format stuff
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Q: How to indent a few lines in Markdown markup?

Meng LuI want to write a few lines of text. They should be formatted normally except each line should start at the 6th column. I.e. I don't want the code block formatting rule to make this chunk of text look like code as I'll use other formatting like bold face, etc. How to do that in Markdown?

 
4:43 AM
Failed on:
failures: => ["TIME" "NCHAR(3)" "VARCHAR(10)" "CHAR(3)" "CHAR(10)"]
Success on:
success: => ["BOOLEAN" "SMALLINT" "INT" "BIGINT" "DOUBLE PRECISION" "FLOAT(20)" "NUMERIC(18,2)" "DECIMAL(3,2)" "TIMESTAMP" "TIMESTAMP" "CHAR(3)" "VARCHAR(10)" "BLOB(10)"]
 
 
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6:02 AM
@johnk would you restart Altme
 
6:50 AM
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A: Change file paths

sqlabHere is a maybe cumbersome solution, but suitable for directories treating them as files t/1: to-file head change skip split-path t/1 1 %c

 
 
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7:51 AM
@pekr I fixed the download for you
I read the permissions wrong :(
 
8:02 AM
posted on June 02, 2017 by @gchiu

@gchiu wrote: There's a r3 parser being written in ren-c here and from Mark also on github Posts: 1 Participants: 1 Read full topic

 
8:23 AM
@HostileFork It is a different smartness. There is also no section "womens logic" in math books.
 
@GrahamChiu Well, what were the ins/outs on the failures.
 
@HostileFork I posted the details on the forum
 
And did CHAR(3) VARCHAR(10) succeed or fail.
Oh, busy griping at @rebolek.
 
@HostileFork you've got a lifetime for that
anyway, depends on the data
I am currently downloading DB2 express which I think can use the mongodb driver
 
@HostileFork cool! đź‘Ť
 
8:28 AM
So, once @rebolek releases his BSON parser I can start to write a mongoDb driver
 
@GrahamChiu Ok :)
 
There's a Java layer that implements the MongoDB wire interface to DB2
the database compressed download is 1Gb though :(
 
@GrahamChiu I don't understand the meaning of your failures. Your previous report with the SELECT * seems to be getting primary keys (yes, I know the comment was out of date about the value being the primary key, I had to change it because it wouldn't let blobs be primary keys and forgot to fix the comment)
 
@HostileFork binaries don't work .. unless they're in a blob
 
@GrahamChiu Yes, but I mean, you posted a log and that log is obviously messed up... then you have a list of failures which is not a log, and I don't really know what you mean by it
NCHAR(3) - "ταБ" ... what? So what went in and what came out?
 
8:35 AM
@HostileFork ok, I can post an updated log .. that would be better
 
That is a lossy failure report. :-/
 
because data was lost!
 
I went through the trouble of writing a test script specifically so we could see the in/out. So, y'know, indulge me.
Sadly, I may actually be the first person to have published such a script.
Simple though it may be.
 
I think I killed my laptop with the humungous downloads :(
Switching to a second PC
@HostileFork I had to make quite a few changes to get it to work for me
I couldn't get the r3-core working on my new laptop - even though I had the debug DLLs
maybe I need to install VS 2017 to get them or something
Hm. My SP1 is still attempting to restart .. maybe I need to boot up with a USB drive and delete files to make space for the boot?
I get a 0xc00007b error on the r3-core.exe
 
8:59 AM
I am New User of the Month. Take that, other forum users!
Discourse actually does seem pretty good.
@GrahamChiu You have my endorsement for using the Rebol favicon, instead of the discourse icon. And I guess I'll look into what it takes to theme it, but it seems Discourse doesn't really have a lot of theme hooks...most sites look about the same.
 
@HostileFork ok, new log uploaded
or rather pasted
 
[10:00 11:01:12 12:13:14 12:13:14 3:04]
[10:00 11:01:12 12:13:14.1 12:13:14.12 3:04:00.123]
@GrahamChiu I don't know what I can do about that one.
Looks like a limit of that specific DB
 
@HostileFork yeah, it's supposed to have greater precision for time values
so it may be the odbc driver
 
@GrahamChiu Did it put a more precise value in the DB, can you use another tool to see what's in there?
 
I did install a db browser but it crashed when I tried to look at the db :(
 
9:09 AM
Hum, actually ODBC time doesn't have a fraction: github.com/hostilefork/rebol/blob/odbc/src/extensions/odbc/…
So the answer is, no, it didn't even try to put the fraction in
Because ODBC TIME_STRUCT is just hour/minute/second. TIMESTAMP has fraction.
This is like with the time zones, where there's some extension you need to use. SQL_SS_TIME2_STRUCT
 
TIME
The TIME data type is available in Dialect 3 only. It stores the time of day within the range from 00:00:00.0000 to 23:59:59.9999.
so it's an ODBC restriction then
 
Want it to be an error to put a more precise time in?
 
@HostileFork yep
it's an overflow
 
Ok, caller's responsibility to trim it
 
yep
>> t: now/time/precise | t/3: round/to t/3 1 | t
 
9:15 AM
~r3> t: now/time/precise | t/3: round/to t/3 1 | t
9:15:09
 
what do you want to do about the unicode stuff?
 
@HostileFork Congratulations!!
 
9:35 AM
@GrahamChiu I want to you to look into whether it's my fault or not with that DB. See if the error is in putting the data in or getting it out, e.g. do your insertion with another tool and query it... or browse what's inserted. I must be doing it somewhat correctly, because it works with MySQL ODBC, and maybe that's your driver.
 
@HostileFork ok, it could be that the driver is not unicode compliant
Btw, why is your extension holding a lock on the db even after closing the connection?
 
@GrahamChiu Presumably, because of a bug, and we can add logging to see what that's about.
 
 
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3:48 PM
posted on June 02, 2017 by zsx

Voids are only allowed in arrays reified from a va_list or values of a context, however, both of which can be leaked to user space, and thus cause GC to panic Here's some sample code: >> a: make object! [i: 1] == make object! [ [self: i] [ i: 1 ] ] >> append a 'j == make object! [ [self: i j] [ i: 1 j: &void ] ] >> v: cop

 
 
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5:20 PM
posted on June 02, 2017 by Steven White

I have downloaded REBOL 2 on a test computer with 64-bit Ubuntu, and as expected, it doesn't work, probably of the 64-bitness.  I am wondering if anyone has done this and if/how they made it work.   I am aware that there is a 64-bit CORE available, but I am interested in VIEW so I can make GUI's. Thank you. swhite@IS-SWHITE:~$ cd Downloads swhite@IS-SWHITE:~/Downloads$

 
 
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7:27 PM
See https://stackoverflow.com/q/39420321/76852 for 64 bit Arch Linux.

Or, try atronix engineering 64 bit view for Linux though that's rebol3. See http://rebol.atronixengineering.com/r3/downloads/r3-64-view-linux-dev
 
7:48 PM
@rgchris Regarding shttpd, we should be able to make that TLS 1.0 compliant so that we can serve HTTPS.
 
8:18 PM
Evening all! I've not been around for few days because I wanted to "complete" the CHANGES / CHANGELOG and I'm glad to say here it is :) - gist.github.com/draegtun/0dd51d92b8c598788566629b23d52679
4
This is an example but it's pretty much good to go! NB. The scripts / data that create this will be added to ren-c repo soon. That way the CHANGES.md can be updated or changed at anytime.
To recap on process I started off with over 3700 commits logs. I then filtered this down to just over 2000 (using script to remove "not notable" message logs or duplicates). I then manually whittled this down to bit above 400 highly notable changes!
It is easy to remove or add back in any commits to CHANGES down to level we require (so anything i missed in manual process can be altered). New commits starting with "* " are automatically added (for eg. github.com/metaeducation/ren-c/commit/58d6d5b) I'll document how this is done.
We can also add in extra (meta) information (wiki, trello), change log message and also combine commit messages. Some examples of this can already been seen in this example CHANGES.md (for eg. see "Added CONSOLE!..." & "Definitional Returns. Solved.")
 
@draegtun Hercules couldn't have done better!
 
@GrahamChiu Thanks :) It did get quite tedious but I'm use to munging datasets so also fun :)
 
@draegtun what about adding some dates??
 
Yeah can add dates. I kept of for now because it got busy but can put back in. Also when we start releasing versions then those could be dated.
so you'll see header saying
[2.102.1] 2017-06-01
 
8:28 PM
At moment everything is under "Unreleased" but it's easy to select a commit hash to be a version release
 
so they're all in reverse date order now??
 
For eg. See "R3-Alpha" at bottom. (NB. This could be moved to another commit hash but wasn't sure which one was best)
Yes... commit-logs always go that way
but remember these are grouped by Add, Changed, Fixed and Removed
@GrahamChiu - BTW... good news! Just managed to get back onto AltRebol :)
and on https
 
@draegtun @Adrian just had to change something
 
cool :)
BTW... Who is Humanistic? Is that Adrian??
 
just that ren-c is locked out
@draegtun Me and someone else
I don't think we've used it much
 
8:30 PM
oh ok.
@GrahamChiu - What's locked out exactly?
 
@draegtun switching to https has locked out ren-c scripts from working with the forum api
 
Oh ic :(
is that because of HTTPS redirection? or something else?
 
it's because letsencrypt or discourse or whatever have chosen a set of cipher suites which we don't support
 
OK.... so something that can be fixed
 
so even though TLS 1.0 is supported, they are using the ellipitic varieties
so I've been researching how nginx configures the cipher suites
 
8:33 PM
isn't there a direct Google URL that gets to server that's not HTTPS?
 
@draegtun http doesn't work anymore
 
@GrahamChiu Oh yeah saw that.... so funny!
 
It automatically redirects to https, and when I removed the redirection it still failed
 
What webserver does it run?
 
@GrahamChiu I don't think it's letsencrypt that chose the ciphersuite, because I'm using it and my site has TLS_RSA_WITH_AES_256_CBC_SHA
 
8:34 PM
I thought I would be able to run the scripts on the server itself using localhost since there's no need to redirect to https there but I didn't find ports 3000 or 4000 open
@ShixinZeng well, that's the one I want or better still AES_128 which is said to less vulnerable
@draegtun I think it's nginx
but since it's running as a docker container, it's outside my limited linux depth
 
OK so did Discourse update NGINX with HTTP redirect to HTTPS?
 
@draegtun there is a script that one runs that does the letsencrypt thing
 
Yes but I don't recall letsencrypt adding HTTPS redirection (or at least I didn't do it on my sites which still have both HTTP & HTTPS working)
 
@draegtun well, you're admin .. you could look at it!
 
Happy to give it a go! But not used Docker or NGINX before but I'm sure I can find my way around them :)
 
8:40 PM
@draegtun pm me on the forum your public cert and I'll add it
 
SSH cert?
 
@GrahamChiu Here's my config:
#disable weak cihpers:
#http://www.bsdnow.tv/tutorials/nginx
ssl_ciphers 'ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA256:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA:ECDHE-RSA-
DES-CBC3-SHA:EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA:AES256-GCM-SHA384:AES128-GCM-SHA256:AES256-SHA256:AES128-SHA256:AES256-SHA:AES128-SHA:DES-CBC3-SHA:HIGH:!aNULL:!eNULL:!EXPORT:!CAMELLIA:!DE
S:!MD5:!PSK:!RC4:!DHE';
#disable SSLv3 due to CVE-2014-3566
ssl_protocols TLSv1 TLSv1.1 TLSv1.2;
 
@GrahamChiu yes
 
Ok, so I need to find where this stuff goes
there's no /var/nginx
 
8:44 PM
on my system it's under /etc/nginx
 
Graham@docker:~$ cd /var/nginx
-bash: cd: /var/nginx: No such file or directory
Graham@docker:~$
 
posted on June 02, 2017 by Steven White

If the REBOL 'community' is a small one, I bet the REBOL 3 community is even smaller, but I will ask anyway.  Is there a naming convention developing for REBOL 3 scripts, like maybe script-name.r3, or do people just use the dot-r suffix? Thank you.

 
I think it's because it's a virtualised environment so that's why it's elsewhere
 
@GrahamChiu PM'ed you my SSH public cert
 
@GrahamChiu is there a /etc/nginx/nginx.conf?
 
8:46 PM
Graham@docker:~$ cd /etc/nginx
-bash: cd: /etc/nginx: No such file or directory
Graham@docker:~$
@draegtun hmm. can you create another one? that just has your name at the end of it?
it uses that name to create a user account on the GCE
 
@GrahamChiu try "nginx -V" and see what it says
 
nothing
Graham@docker:~$ nginx -v
The program 'nginx' can be found in the following packages:
 * nginx-core
 * nginx-extras
 * nginx-full
 * nginx-light
Ask your administrator to install one of them
 
Thats just a COMMENT. You can change that to be whatever you need it to be
 
@draegtun ok :)
@RebolBot do/2 p: open forum.rebol.info
 
~rebol2> p: open https://forum.rebol.info
code: 505
type: access
id: invalid-spec
arg1: https://forum.rebol.info
arg2: none
arg3: none
near: [p: open https://forum.rebol.info]
where: none
 
8:50 PM
@GrahamChiu OK. This is not something I'm familiar with then. :(
 
@ShixinZeng nor me.
@johnk is familiar with docker but he's pretty busy organising a linux conference in Sydney!
@draegtun okay so I've added your rsa-cert to the instance, under the account barry
 
@GrahamChiu Well it will be NGINX that will be doing the redirect. And I suspect that was updated directly by Discourse
 
Graham@docker:/home$ ls
asampal  barry  compkarori  Graham  nmanole  ubuntu
You have 3 attempts to login before you'll be locked out for a period
 
OK logged in
 
:)
cd /var/discourse
Graham@docker:/var/discourse$ sudo grep -r ssl_ciphers
Binary file shared/standalone/postgres_data/base/16384/17880 matches
Binary file shared/standalone/postgres_data/base/16384/19577 matches
shared/standalone/postgres_data/postgresql.conf:#ssl_ciphers = 'HIGH:MEDIUM:+3DES:!aNULL' # allowed SSL ciphers
templates/web.ssl.template.yml.save:       ssl_ciphers ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA256:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:;
I added to /web.ssl.template.yml TLS-DHE-RSA-WITH-AES-256-CBC-SHA but it didn't make any difference
I read skimmed this morning raymii.org/s/tutorials/Strong_SSL_Security_On_nginx.html https://raymii.org/s/tutorials/Strong_SSL_Security_On_nginx.html
AES 128 is preferred to AES 256. There has been discussions on whether AES256 extra security was worth the cost, and the result is far from obvious. At the moment, AES128 is preferred, because it provides good security, is really fast, and seems to be more resistant to timing attacks.
The recommended cipher suite:

ssl_ciphers 'EECDH+AESGCM:EDH+AESGCM:AES256+EECDH:AES256+EDH';
The recommended cipher suite for backwards compatibility (IE6/WinXP):

ssl_ciphers "EECDH+AESGCM:EDH+AESGCM:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:AES256+EECDH:DHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:AES256+EDH:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA256:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA256:DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA256:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA:ECDHE-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA:EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA:AES256-GCM-SHA384:AES128-GCM-SHA256:AES256-SHA2
 
9:06 PM
hmmm ok. I can see nginx running but can't find its conf :( Don't know if this is a Docker funny or something?
Unfortunately I have to go now.... but will look around more tomorrow
 
@draegtun Ok I'll try and do some more research on this but I presume it's the way docker works
 
Maybe you can look at the full command line of nginx and see if it specifies a conf file there, or find out the executable path of "nginx" and run with "-V" to find out the default config file
 
9:28 PM
@ShixinZeng doesn't respond to nginx
But I have found from using sudo docker ps that port 300 is the port used by discourse before it gets mapped to 3000. So I can communicate by port 300 to run some scripts but the command changelog-at won't work
 
9:44 PM
so I just have to set up some cron jobs so I don't have to manually login each day
 
10:14 PM
already got one close vote :(
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Q: How does one specify a particular cipher suite for a nginx docker instance?

Graham ChiuI am running a newly built discourse docker image on Google Compute Engine. I converted that to use https using letsencrypt following the walk through and I get an A+ rating from ssllabs. However the scripting agent I'm using doesn't support either of the two TLS 1.0 cipher suites enabled [TLS_...

 
@GrahamChiu migration vote.
 
@HostileFork to superuser or where?
 
oh ... ok
I don't have a presence there
I started to use rebol2 to check the ODBC values and actually the decimal time values are returned!
but I'm having a hard time running my script due to errors ... I think firebird objects to using reserved words as database names or something
Going out shortly .. there's an art auction on today and my daughter's portrait is being auctioned and she wants me to bid on it :(
 
@GrahamChiu Because she wants you to buy it or just to drive up the price?
 
10:24 PM
@HostileFork just to buy it. The bank she works at is sponsoring the charity auction, and she was the only one who wasn't seeing customers so therefore the only who could be painted by the artist!
 
10:37 PM
Build 2f6cbfa on 2-Jun-2017/21:50:02Z is now available for download. Please use debug builds and report issues. No warranty of fitness is implied.
These are the direct links for OSX x64, Win x64, Linux x64, and Android-arm.
 
@HostileFork does r3 run under windows powershell?
 
10:59 PM
@GrahamChiu Why shouldn't it? Seems to.
I don't know much about PowerShell, but seems to launch it you have to do ./r3
 
:37443685 ok
I was thinking if we can't solve the cipher suite soon, I'll change my script to use powershell instead
Invoke-WebRequest -OutFile categories.json forum.rebol.info/categories.json
>> out: copy ""
== ""

>> call/output ["Invoke-WebRequest" "-OutFile" "categories.json" "https://forum.rebol.info/categories.json"] out
== -1
hmm. Maybe I got the syntax wrong
or it's a bug with call/output
 
@GrahamChiu I don't know if anyone has tested call with PowerShell.
I remember there's a form of CALL which doesn't get the shell involved for interpretation, and a form that does.
 
11:15 PM
oops, crashing something
X did you mean to use FREE() instead of OS_FREE() ?
 
@GrahamChiu altme is still running. I'll bounce the whole thing and maybe it will help
 
 call/output "ls" out ; gives that error
 
Hi guys, I'm back again
 
@GrahamChiu Report that
 
@johnk I see rebolbot just login to altme
 
11:19 PM
I rebooted the whole server. The logon to altme is automatic as well as the start of the bot hence the welcome message.
 
@johnk I guessed as much. I don't recall seeing rebolbot logged in on altme for the last week.
 
11:33 PM
@HostileFork actually I get the same error with the standard windows shell
 
Someone should tell Henrik about CASE. :-/ either either either either...
either error [false][
    either each [
      forall tmp [
        append [] either all [not tail? next val object? second val] [
          get in second val word
        ][none]
        tmp: next tmp
      ]
    ][...
That append [] is the sort of thing that is almost always a bug. I'd imagine it's a bug there, too.
 
11:49 PM
posted on June 02, 2017 by gchiu

Under windows powershell and standard shell out: copy "" call/output "ls" out and this crashes back to the windows powershell ** Version: 2.102.0.3.40 ** ** Platform: Windows win32-x64 ** ** Build: 2-Jun-2017/21:47:30 ** ** Commit: 2f6cbfa **

 

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