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12:09 AM
Doing a little passthru script from PHP to Rebol—is this a reliable method of passing through the Query String (via environment variable)? putenv("QUERY_STRING=".$_SERVER['QUERY_STRING']);
Works so far, but are there any risks? Incompatibilities?
 
12:23 AM
I'm trying to learn the event system a little better. On rebol.com/r3/docs/view/events.html , I tried to run the code for my-handler but I don't really get any results
by run, I've tried to use handle-events my-handler expecting to get an error or something, but get nothing.
 
12:48 AM
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Q: REBOL 3 - How to add an event handler to print a key that is pressed?

kealistMy end goal is to have a handler that will do something if I press a key such as #"1" I have been reading the R3 View - Event Handling document, and trying to run the code in R3 View, I get no results. This is the handler I have copied: my-handler: [ name: 'my-handler priority: 50 ...

 
 
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4:44 AM
@rgchris I believe that's the best method.
 
5:11 AM
> Setting certain environment variables may be a potential security breach
@kealist woops, wrong id
 
 
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8:47 AM
environment size limit is what i can think of first.
since you wont be handling the value from shell there wont be any escaping or substitution issues
 
 
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11:19 AM
@AstDerek after a couple of tweaks the bot is now running with your new changes to check the role in the header
@GrahamChiu I discovered that the version of search-command on ec2 was much longer 94 lines vs ~57 lines so I took the liberty of copying the ec2 one onto github.
Currently the bot runs using the rebolsource build. If we were to switch to a saphirion build then we could use https. @adrians @GrahamChiu @AstDerek - What do you think?
 
12:27 PM
@johnk I think I'm annoyed that we aren't getting hard answers about Saphirion open sourcing these fairly basic and important changes, and until we get those answers, we do not endorse the use of the Saphir build. I've said before that we should keep an open mind but let's not get in any deeper with that closed source executable. I'll take a weekend and write the dang HTTPS myself if I must.
TLS isn't precisely rocket science and there are reference C implementations to copy from.
I'd rather do the things that have not been done, and work on things beneficial to both Rebol and Red regardless of which codebase is the future coughRed but if people are going to make me mad, then they are going to make me mad and that's that. Angry eyebrows, look. <--
So veto on Saphir for RebolBot from this Fork.
Strangely, I think Kaj would back me up on this.
 
@AstDerek I feel I shouldn't be concerned as I'm just taking a couple of CGI-related variables and reissuing them. But then I'm not sure if there's more to the "FOO=".bar than just concatenation. What if, for example, I'm reflecting the User Agent string and it contains a '$'?
 
12:50 PM
posted on August 17, 2013 by johnk

[Comment] This is a summary of recent discussions on SO chat re handles. We do not want to rename email as it is well understood, widely accepted and used. It may be improved by following the RFC more closely, but that is for another ticket. Relaxing the email datatype to allow @handles would not be a good solution as it breaks the email spec and is not well named for a handle. If we do want a

 
@HostileFork point taken and to be honest I agree.
 
At the conference Carl expressed surprise that we did not have source for these changes, and said he'd give Robert a call and ask what's up, but I have not reminded him because I'm still waiting to have a bit more of a "package" regarding the new sites and a few other items before I bug him. We don't really have the "turn this key and all will be fixed" proposal yet.
 
 
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3:26 PM
posted on August 17, 2013 by onetom

[Comment] There was a poll about this issue announced on SO. I guess you pulled your conclusion from that, but instead of just stating your opinion, please include the actual results here too.

 
3:42 PM
so what's your take on managing the rebol.{org,net} domains collaboratively?

we tried the "free subdomain" feature of freedns.afraid.org, where anyone can register their own subdomains for their own purposes and it works, but the top-level domain is still protected by 1 username and password, which is not exactly "democratic".

you read a lot about these things, so i guess you have a better idea how it should be done.
u mentioned some multikey secret stuff the other week too, iirc. i also read about such things last year and it can be used for such collaborative governance
 
4:22 PM
@onetom Well, @earl seemed to have ideas. I'm letting others be the point-people on this because it really isn't an area of expertise of mine. I'm glad you're looking into it. :-) I like to believe it isn't the hardest part of our problems.
I think the same body that accepts changes to source and decides what's what on the rebol.org website would be making these DNS approvals for rebol.net, and you don't get very far without trust, but my question was more on what would make the membership in that org happy.
 
4:45 PM
Hi all
Watched video of my talk. Nicely done!
Anyone know if they're all on utube now? Is there a web site that links to them.
 
@rebol Hey Carl, I edited that up pretty quickly for starters. Glad you like it. Editing is tricky but you've worked in TV so you know all about it. :-) I found out that I actually had a better audio feed I didn't use so it's a question of effort as to if I want to go back and line up the audio waveforms to the cuts or not.
 
I watched it on Cindy's iphone, and audio sounded good.
 
I'm doing Doc's talk next. It's not easy to edit over an hour of material and cut things together so it "works" in a more snappy way that progresses naturally.
@rebol Here's your talk's timeline, Doc's is much more involved. :-)
 
Whoa... we'll it came out smooth.
 
I went to school for that. :-)
 
4:51 PM
I only noticed that it had been edited because I knew the content really well.
Education to good use.
 
So to answer your question, if it winds up all being up to me, it could take a while to get them done, which is why I'm trying to do them in "priority order".
 
Which others have been done?
 
Just a good bit of Doc's, I should have it... soonish.
 
BTW, do you have my email addr? I asked Cindy to check into your TM suggestion... but she ran into a problem.
 
I do. Mine is publicly brian, being my first name, at hostilefork.com
I think David's talk is a good one showing how Atronix uses Rebol for practical applications, so probably do that next.
Anyone else who knows how to video edit is free to chip in... although... it's harder than it looks.
 
4:57 PM
Send email.
I always hated editing.
I did several amateur movies in my younger years... and the film would sit for a year before I'd finally feel enough pressure to edit.
My daughter loves editing and is a film student. But, I don't think she'd know the tech well enough to be able to edit this type of content.
whoops "sent email"
Anyone know if there's a good news site for all things Rebol/Red/*?
I feel like I need to catch up.
Off to check out github now.
 
@rebol a combined one? only SO chat really...
 
@rebol Oh, I wrote you an email anyway. :-)
 
@onetom, Hi Tom. Thanks for the utube link yesterday.
I was on vacation over on the coast, and right when I woke up, Cindy handed me her iphone with the utube link.
Oddly enough, this is the first time I've ever watched myself on video. Never before... even comdex, devcons, amiga, screensavers.
It was good. I think I can hone my presentation skills.
 
@rebol Heh I thought it would be fun for the Amiga folks to see, so we should send it out to them. Even if they don't care about Rebol much they might want to catch up with what's new with you.
Someone left a complaint comment that it didn't get to the Rebol until late... they didn't want to see it before the edit! :-)
 
@rebol I also think it was good. Especially the 2nd part when it came to explaining the source code.
@rebol rebolweek.blogspot.hk was a nice source for the news. im not sure what happened to maxv. i will check on him.
 
5:10 PM
I'll post a link to the video from the blog.
 
@rebol The stars are still our voting device here to call out points in chat, if you click on the time you can read them in context.
 
@onetom rebolweek was/is mainly Graham, recently.
I think we should revive a manually curated blog as well as an automated "Planet"-style aggregation under some rebol subdomain.
 
@HostileFork hmm... no email arrived.
@earl what's "planet" style?
 
@rebol Just a nice, automatic web-based aggregation of RSS/Atom feeds.
 
@rebol Resent to address new mail arrived from.
 
5:15 PM
@rebol We aggregate several Rebol-related RSS feeds into SO chat, which I think is really nice to get a grip of what is going on.
Just have the same on a dedicated site.
 
@earl Yes, nice to see those getting embedded here. Useful.
Does anyone know if Brian H posted his priority list for rebol 3 changes/fixes/improvements? At the conference he sent it to me, but didn't arrive. Probably went to one of my older addrs in the email vortex.
 
@rebol I'm not aware of such a post.
 
@earl ok, no problem.
 
@rebol He said he'd emailed it, but maybe it went into the same vortex as my mail just did, as I think he used the same address.
 
Heading off to github now. A lot to catch up on there.
 
5:27 PM
@rebol Note that many of the pull requests have been pre-reviewed. By Ladislav, BrianH, and myself.
 
@earl Yeah, that's excellent.
@earl At the recode conf, we talked about shifting things a bit. Did you see that discussion?
Main idea was to move to traditional release and dev branches.
Or, release, stable, and dev.
But, I don't want to make it too complicated.... but I know there are standard patterns most folks would find acceptable.
 
@rebol The discussion was mentioned by a few people, I think.
Fine with me. I think two branches should suffice.
 
@earl Sounds good.
Stable and dev should be find for now.
 
Right.
 
@rebol The important issue is that the health of a repository is often gauged by activity, and GitHub really only has one "default" branch that it shows what's going on. The name of this branch does not matter. However, if you call it "master" that would create problems if you didn't like the names "master" and "stable".
 
5:33 PM
@HostileFork Github's recent "pulse" feature aggregates activity over all branches.
 
Thinking out loud...
 
But you're right, you can just designate one "default" branch.
 
We've got the main branch: rebol/r3 which we want to rename to ....?
 
One common Git practice is "master" ("stable") and "next" ("dev"). But we can go with just "stable" and "dev" as well.
 
Then, should that main branch be the dev or the stable?
 
5:35 PM
Main branch should be dev, I think.
 
@rebol Just plain old rebol...lowercase. Doc got the Red account on GitHub and named the project "Red" so it's red/red, paralleling ruby/ruby. It looks more legit than "DocKimbel/red".
 
ok rebol/rebol
we won't lose the pulls if I rename, right?
 
I'm not too fond about the repository renaming, but HostileFork is very adamant about that ...
 
@rebol Git installs have a config file pointing to "origin" and that will need to be updated, it is not difficult.
 
do we know how many git or http links point to rebol/r3?
 
5:37 PM
@rebol The main ones to fix are probably the open source announcements from you and maybe some twitter messages we can't fix. I'll fix any StackOverflow mentions. (I can edit any Q&A, but not chat posts or comments.)
 
is there anyway to snapshot the pulls if renaming loses them?
 
If you rename using Github's repository renaming feature, Github will install a redirect from rebol/r3 to rebol/rebol.
 
ah, great
 
@earl Oh, I thought they didn't do that.
 
@rebol We won't lose the pull requests, no.
 
5:39 PM
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Q: how to rename a repository on github?

kaiser Possible Duplicate: Change repo name in github I got some github repos that i now need to rename, but i can't anywhere find a solution for this except deleting the repo and setting up a new one. I can't delete the repos, because there are a lot of links pointing to the current repos, w...

 
here it goes
 
@rebol github.com/rebol/r3/settings -- that's the page for renaming.
 
"Rename" option is there, but not enabled.
@earl is it enabled on your settings page?
 
@rebol You have to change the name for it to become enabled :)
@HostileFork github.com/earl/red -- works just fine :)
 
maybe it's just slow
 
5:43 PM
Shall I rename it?
 
changed name, but button still not enabled
@earl, yes thanks.
 
 
looks like it worked
updating rebol.com.... back in a min
 
Note how github.com/rebol/r3 redirects.
Also note how my personal repository github.com/earl/r3 has been automatically updated to show that it was forked from rebol/rebol.
 
@rebol Yay! Also, here's a large PNG for avatar:
And it may be time to let the sandbox repository go... ?
I have suggested that rebol builds by default not produce something called "rebol.exe". I was thinking something like "rename-me.exe"
I guess r3.exe is okay as it's not rebol. But the binaries should by default express their unofficialness, so that you only get an official one if you touch it to get it to report that it is, which people could do... but my worry is just to know what you're dealing with in the wild and whether it came from downloads.rebol.org or not
 
5:51 PM
back. r3.exe seems ok. rebol-new.exe?
 
Either way, the more important issue is modifying it so the executable... regardless of filename... reports its unofficialness.
 
@earl I'm good with deleting sandbox if you are.
 
@earl i showed GitFlow at the conference; but my personal experience is tells it's better to delay the use of branches because it just adds impedance to development; just use tags to mark states of source code which is considerably stable.
 
@rebol Fine, go ahead.
 
And I'd like us to agree that "Official" means "Came from downloads.rebol.org". The plan thus far is that it basically be identical to rebolsource.net and it would provide the "stable", but then have a slightly differently themed page for downloading the latest "dev" branch. We could texture up the logo with those black and yellow stripes or somesuch.
On the black portions, I mean... the white part would stay white.
 
5:55 PM
@earl 1 min. Need to update web browser.
 
@rebol Well, I'll do it :)
@rebol Done.
 
Ha! Ok. When I click delete button, it just sits there. Nothing happens.
 
Updating your browser would not hurt anyway :)
 
Gotten me this far.
 
To be a full replacement of http://www.rebol.com/r3/downloads.html it seems we need an AmigaOS build of Rebol and FreeBSD/OpenBSD builds. How are we on that? @rebol ... you seem like the person to do the Amiga build :-) or maybe you know someone who could?
Maybe they're all sold for some good cash by now. :-)
 
5:58 PM
@earl Update icon to HF's latest also? I've got a strange green thing right now showing up.
 
@onetom We're just doing something very simple here (a place where Carl merges blessed stuff, and a place for more rapid progression). GitFlow would certainly be overkill at this point in time.
@rebol That's a bit more work, because I think those icons come from another site.
But let me see ...
 
@HostileFork Have not build Amiga in years. I'm hoping some Amiga guys will pick it up now. I can send out a blog ping to that group if you like?
 
@rebol Good excuse to show them the video. :-) I am considering redoing the audio it's just there's a lot of work. We shouldn't be giving out YouTube URLs over the long term, we should cite videos under recode.rebol.net URLs
 
On FreeBSD, that's not on one of the auto-rebuild sites? What's it called?
 
And no, it isn't. Only built on a 64-bit FreeBSD system so far, and the result was crappy.
 
6:05 PM
@kilkenet Welcome to the Rebol and Red room. See our FAQ. Sadly you won't be able to talk to us at present. You need a few more reputation points on Stackoverflow to join these chat rooms. If you answer some questions, or ask some, we might be able to help by upvoting you. In the meantime, have a look at a Rebol introduction.
 
(Crappy: binary built, but failed on basic things such as file I/O. I didn't spend any time debugging.)
 
@earl Well the emscripten build is more relevant, probably. And having the patches for the Android build, and maybe a little arm-twisting is in order to get that so we don't have to rewrite it if it's done...
I do think that when the time is right, going to people like the Haiku guys and showing them a practical rewrite of something they use in Rebol would get some enthusiasm there. As I do believe that with a bit more work and evangelism, Rebmu could be picked up by people in the code golf community. I've gotten mention on the GolfScript page... and I have a vision for rebmu.rebol.net
 
@earl Wonder why I can't update things in github. Tried adding gravatar to update avatar, but no button shows up on that setting page.
Seems like more than a web browser issue.
BTW, browser update failed.
 
@rebol github.com/organizations/rebol/settings/profile -- has a field for the Gravatar email.
Do you have an email registered on Gravatar? I can update the setting, if you wish.
@rebol What browser are you using, currently?
 
@earl Tried loading latest chrome. Failed for gconf dependency, whatever that is. Currently using firefox. Also have opera.
Problem is usually due to this old 10.2 ubuntu that I won't give up.
 
6:19 PM
Registered a throw-away email for the Gravatar, should now be up to date.
 
Ah, that looks good.
So on dev branch, onetom suggested we don't branch, but just tag stables.
 
If you don't want to review changes, that's fine.
 
Well... that won't work.
So, what do popular archives do...?
Ruby/ruby/branches.... yuk. A mess.
 
You can do post-commit review with a single branch as well. Not sure if you'd like that better.
Otherwise, two branches are rather straightforward.
 
@earl not, compared to no-branches... ;P
 
6:23 PM
Thing is, the main driving force is how you want to do reviewing.
 
Ha, funny. But, I agree, one can have too many branches. (I deal with that in my day job a lot.)
 
@rebol Looking good! Among the other switches I thought it would be good to flip would be to publicize who the members of the org are. I don't run any organizations so I don't know where that switch is, but it's on for Ruby and it's off for Rebol right now
 
I prefer to review pulls, and accept/deny.
 
Want to use Github for that? Or would you prefer some other tool/workflow?
 
But, there are some pulls that need experimental builds, which is why I've not done much over the last few months.
 
6:25 PM
Well, the majority of the pending pulls are hardly experimental in nature :)
 
Any pulls having to do with modules are experimental by definition. :)
 
More often than not, it's just the general direction that needs some decision. The implementation details are comparatively easy to battle out.
I think there's only two or three modules-related pull requests :)
 
I agree, so... off to do process some pulls.
 
There's one or two more, that fix module-related crash bugs, which currently make the module system rather unusable, experimental or not.
 
There's also a major architectural change suggestion for modules pending.
But, not to let that get in the way. ;)
 
6:28 PM
Is that change suggestion documented anywhere?
 
Also, I need to get back to Ladislav on some things. I know he's asked me to get on google chat about some issues.
I think Maxim knows it best. But, we should get a few of us together to decide on it.
It's whether imported functions auto-import or must be explicitly pulled in.
Max (and others) have a good argument.
 
You mean like qualified imports?
 
If some lib redefines PRINT, well you may not want that.
 
import functions foo, bar, baz from module qux
 
I don't think he called it "qualified" -- he had some other terms.
 
6:31 PM
Selective imports.
 
@Ladislav You here?
 
The module system can handle that well enough, but I thought it should be more implicit. You get all the public word bindings.
 
@HostileFork y
 
Ah. That was fast.
 
Yep, I think most variations are doable by the current module system.
 
6:32 PM
@rebol he's right there... --^ :-)
 
It's just the defaults that might need some tuning. (I, for one, am no big fan of the current defaults either.)
 
@Ladislav I saw your invite to talk on google.
Lost track of what email was related to that account.
But, I think Bo mentioned it to me. Let me check.
@earl Right. It would be a minor tweak to the code, but a major tweak to the mindset.
 
@rebol You have got in in a Skype msg from me as well.
However, it seems my message was not delivered yet.
 
@Ladislav What skype name?
 
carl.sassenrath
 
6:39 PM
ah
 
@rebol quick aside... there is an iPad app for Trello... I know you were having trouble with it in your linux browser. Our link is here Rebol 3 Community Development
@rebol Also if you want to keep up with Dr. Rebmu's research... :-)
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Q: I'll time your function, but I don't work weekends

Lego StormtrooprMy boss needs to know how long it takes to add together two integers. But, I don't like to work weekends, and I think its fair that my code doesn't either. The problem is, the boss is a demanding guy and thinks I should put in over time to make sure the time it takes stays the same, and I know he...

room topic changed to [Rebol and Red]: Now at github.com/rebol/rebol (!) rebolsource.net/go/chat-faq [dialect] [interpreter] [json] [lisp] [rebol] [red]
 
@rebol and it's not skype HANDLE!, just for the record, @HostileFork
 
6:54 PM
@onetom Ummm... I don't know if I've come out in support of anything other than AT!... I like the semiotic notion of things being what they are when dialects can twist the meaning however... as I've said I wouldn't call parentheses PRECEDENCE! for similar reasons.
 
@HostileFork ipad app would be nice. Checking.
@onetom Got on skype ok to talk with Ladislav. Unfortunately, now google groups is being stubborn.
 
@rebol We don't need google groups, imo. Dinosaur tech....
 
@HostileFork i know, just wanted to mark it for the record, how unfortunate the current situation is, regarding the terminology of naming our digital IDs. even skype name is not obvious
 
I'd like it if rebol.net had a look and experience very much like this stackoverflow chat. Just "what's up now", a mechanism like the starring so people can catch up with what's important, a friendly RebolBot to stalk people and say hi if no one else is around. :-)
 
@HostileFork Can you figure out how a giant mega corp like Google can't write a decent group message system?
 
7:03 PM
@rebol They did, and they cancelled it (Wave)
 
@onetom Handle is more correct, but the sign-in calls it "name"... even though it's not.
 
@HostileFork Only that Wave almost succeeded in being more abysmal than email.
 
I think Google groups is just a front for an AI mining operation to get at old usenet groups.
You're not supposed to actually use it.
 
@HostileFork I like the bot idea for the top level of rebol.net
 
@HostileFork rizzoma.com is still there, but even when I asked about it here, there were not much excitement around it. so im not totally convinced if wave is that good. (the tech on its own is very nice of course)
 
7:05 PM
@RebolBot
print [{I like ideas involving bots, in general} reverse {lober@}]
 
; Brought to you by: tryrebol.esperconsultancy.nl
>> print ["I like ideas involving bots, in general" reverse "lober@"]
I like ideas involving bots, in general @rebol
 
@RebolBot
@RebolBot
print ["do you like loopings?" reverse "toblobeR@"]
 
; Brought to you by: tryrebol.esperconsultancy.nl
>> print ["do you like loopings?" reverse "toblobeR@"]
do you like loopings? @Rebolbot
 
maybe I should reverse those ;-)
 
7:13 PM
@iArnold RebolBot has proven hard to hack, unless you have a weird unicode name.
 
@HostileFork I am only playfully hacking it
 
 
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8:53 PM
I need a programmer who is well-versed in gstreamer, ffmpeg, avconv or similar technologies to help with a video decoding project. I thought I'd ask here first before asking on the Interwebs. (Paying job)
Playing with Rebol3 on ODROID ARM Ubuntu 13.x. Can't get the version downloaded from rebolsource.net to run. Gives me an error message. In the directory where the r3 executable is located I run the following:
odroid@odroid:~$ chmod 777 r3
odroid@odroid:~$ ./r3
bash: ./r3: No such file or directory
 
@Respectech Can you please paste the output for uname -a?
And also the output of md5sum r3.
 
9:12 PM
Linux odroid 3.0.75-odroidu2 #1 SMP Thu May 2 17:27:35 KST 2013 armv71 armv71 armv71 GNU/Linux
@earl 1fa2fb9bb855025d0c9cc25ee7949081 r3
 
posted on August 17, 2013 by no-spam

Quick developer note: The https://github.com/rebol archive name has been changed from r3 to just rebol. Why? Because 3.0 is the mainline Rebol, not something different. References to the older rebol/r3 should redirect, but developers will want to keep this little name change in mind because your local archive directory will be called rebol by default also. Example of how to pull the curre

 
@Respectech Thanks.
@Respectech (-> AltME.)
 
9:38 PM
posted on August 17, 2013 by no-spam

Here's a link to a video of my presentation at the 2013 ReCode Conference where I show how easy it is to program Insteon home controllers using Rebol 3. Rebol Home Automation With Insteon The slides can also be viewed here: Rebol 3 for Home Control Thanks go to Hostile Fork for the professional editing job, and also thanks to Maxim and Bo for cameras and recording.

 
So, you see not every pull request is so simple, is it:
 
@rebol That's not one of those marked "simple" :)
 
Ready to branch github rebol before accepting pulls.
Also, should we spawn off a different repository for Rebol 2.7 sources that we want to bring over?
@earl Can you add me as an owner on rebol archive? For some reason my access is too restricted with it's current settings.
(Could not rename, could not delete, cannot create new repository, cannot branch...)
 
10:01 PM
@rebol Rebol archive?
 
Yes.
 
What do you mean by that?
 
For example, let's say I try to create rebol/rebol2-clips (or some such) for holding source we want to port over. It does not show me as owner.
I suppose it could be browser problem...
 
Ah, you mean the Github rebol organisation. You are an owner of that.
Did Skype/Google Chat or something with Ladislav work?
 
Yes, skype worked, google chat... not really.
adding...
 
10:30 PM
@earl Responded. Thanks for your help!
 
@rebol Thanks for the link. :). Got kidnapped and taken to a wine bar in Mt Airy, Old North State winery and brewery...
 
@earl Yep--- was browser problem. FF20 fixed it. Thanks for the advice!
 
10:53 PM
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A: Rebol doesn't work with localhost

Rebol TutorialFinally It's because I put some special code to detect localhost as explained in my own tutorial I didn't remember then :) https://tutorial-rebol.rhcloud.com/how-to-detect-rebol-referer-in-a-php-script/ Remark that It is necessary to test $_SERVER['REMOTE_ADDR'] which allows to know if reb...

 

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