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12:00 AM
^ too cool
 
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it's my desktop wallpaper now!
 
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windows sucks so much that gifs as wallpaper don't work
 
lol
gonna try it on lin
but.. very low res
 
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yeah :(
 
12:16 AM
well xfce doesn;t animate it either
doesn't surprise me..
 
omg, is that image an animated GIF all along?
I have animations disabled in Firefox, I thought it was just some random landscape image
 
@crypticツ uber lool
and sadly gif, not png
 
Didn't they drop the animation spec what was ti suppose to be MNG? right?
oh wow didn't know about its successor APNG
 
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@crypticツ LOL
 
APNG ... yea
 
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12:27 AM
never heard me either about apng... will took 10 years to be available on all systems
 
webkit and IE don't support it
 
argh
 
yeah so webkit will probably get it within 3yrs, and IE in 15yrs or they might be assholes as usual and try to make their own MS alternative.
 
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12:33 AM
Y AREN'T U COMMITTING ANYTHING?
 
@Wes can I commit my ugly fugly CSS underline trick? =oP
 
ugly?
lol
 
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@crypticツ LOL, go with it :P
 
wanna see it
@Wes "Y U NO *"
 
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12:38 AM
it's too late
 
1:07 AM
@Wes
 
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wat
 
I am trying to make the JSfiddle but it won't save the Google font external resource. It adds it to the list of resources, but when in result it does not load it
 
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use the @import notation not the js or the <link>
 
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i need coffee so much that i can't reach the kitchen to pick it
 
go @Wes go @Wes go @Wes go @Wes go @Wes gooooooooooooooo @Wes
 
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1:13 AM
are you cheerlead-ing me?
 
yeah ! go 4 coffee
:P
 
committed! =oD
 
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cool :P
 
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you could add that future uas upgrades will allow the syntax w3.org/TR/css-text-decor-3/#text-shadow-property text-shadow:0 0 0 6px white;
 
1:31 AM
@Wes I thought it was text-stroke
I had to emulate text-stroke by using this text-shadow hack. text-stroke would allow me to just add a stroke of 6px
 
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i'm not sure but i think it will included in the text-shadow thing
 
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because i can't see it in the text-decoration spec
 
apparantly webkit supports it, maybe just partially
 
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it's not a standard, it's a webkit own thing. i'm pretty sure of that
 
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btw it seems to be quite different. -webkit-stroke is both inner and outer text stroke, text-shadow could only create outer strokes
 
1:37 AM
yeah you're right
> Does not yet appear in any W3C specification. Was briefly included in a spec as the "text-outline" property, but this was removed.
 
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well unless they implement something like text-shadow:inset 0 0 0 2px red, 0 0 0 2px red;
 
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3 days implementing and reimplementing the same thing again and again
 
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i hate myself
 
@Wes what are you (re)?implementing \?
 
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what are you (re)+implementing \?
 
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1:43 AM
the stupid permanent login cookie thing
 
on clients sites?
 
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no local dev for now
 
π="3.141592653589793238462643383279502884197169399375105820974944592307816406286‌​2089986280348253421170679"
 
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Cool Trivia: first html page ever made by Tim Berners Lee
2
 
I miss the good old days when it was normal to have HTML where you put a hyperlink within a hyperlink.
 
1:53 AM
@Wes well.. is it?
lol @crypticツ yea
 
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@crypticツ you did this? no-no
 
@Wes of course, and table layouts all around, with multiple nested font tags, style tags within body, and right click protection to protect muh copypasta codez!
 
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lol i forgot about the right-click protection
 
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someone remembers the popup chromeless MSIE hack? :P
 
I loved doing while (true) {alert('=o(');}
 
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2:01 AM
and this was the maximum security window.location.href = "/" + prompt("Enter your password") + ".htm";
 
lol^1000
right-click 'protection' is still used nowadays, sad sad
it's good for protecting against accidental right click :PP
 
lol
 
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lol
 
used enough we still need this option
 
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2:07 AM
even I could write better regexs than the SO ones
 
@Wes lol, example?
 
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nvm now it works
 
^ what ?
 
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never mind, probably i did do the error, not SO :P
 
2:28 AM
 
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who is this genius O_O
 
some random dude I've just discovered on Youtube because I was looking for a video of a tumbleweed (don't ask)
 
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lol I love how it has knobs on the bottom
 
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some years ago i saw a concert in a bar with a guy playing a bass guitar with dunno how many strings, about 20 only with double tapping technique. a master
 
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2:39 AM
yes hes so lol
 
Right I need to go to bed, I should have done it about 4hrs ago
nite @all
 
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lol night
 
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3:25 AM
You guys obviously haven't seen That One Guy youtube.com/watch?v=tHlDfejCHkc
 
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@crypticツ the video could easily be an Apple ad
 
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funny btw
 
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3:43 AM
 
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this chat will turn in a web radio
 
where is a good place to place a permanent line that is accessible from the internet?
 
@LearningC <hr> accessible from any web browser
 
@crypticツ what is <hr>?
 
@LearningC horizontal rule
 
3:50 AM
@crypticツ I meant a line of text.
I want to make a line of text that is change able
 
pastebin?
 
can pastebin be changed and url stays the same?
 
depends on what pastebin service you use. You can also use jsfiddle it allows revisions, or use Gist
 
pastebin can be edited. but is there a time limit until when I can edit it?
 
Hey guys, is IE known to not execute within the style element at the beginning of the page?
 
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4:00 AM
@dylanmaxey wut?
 
<style>...</style> is not being read within IE on my page
IE 9
 
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link?
 
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<html>
<head>
<script src="http://code.jquery.com/jquery-1.8.3.min.js"></script>
<script src="http://www.bitstorm.org/jquery/shadow-animation/jquery.animate-shadow-min.js"></script>
<script src="http://code.jquery.com/color/jquery.color-2.0b1.min.js"></script>
<script src="http://www.bitstorm.org/jquery/color-animation/jquery.animate-colors-min.js"></script>
..
</head>
 
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you should wrap all the <script> and <style> inside <head>
 
4:03 AM
okay
 
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on MSIE10 is fine btw. tell me if you need more help
 
@Wes Done, unfortunately the issue remains
 
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ok i'm starting the vm
 
Thanks, it's 9.0.8... to be generally precise
@Wes Here is a screenshot... i.imgur.com/ERiL1fU.png
 
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@dylanmaxey try to put the <script> at the end of the page inside <body>
 
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4:10 AM
<script>...</script></body>
 
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also add
<!doctype html>
<html>
...
at the very first line of the page
 
Done, you can see in source but same problem
It's been killin' me lol
 
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better, put the scripts in one external file "end.js" and include it using <script src="end.js"></script></body>
 
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i have no magic solution, to find the problem you have to clean the code
 
Okay, I just don't get how this would affect the CSS, also external files increase server load
 
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4:15 AM
maybe there's some non-escaped character that prevents the css from being executed
 
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try with <!doctype html> first of all
 
That's all it needed, lol
 
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@dylanmaxey only at the first request, opening a second page they will be cached
 
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@dylanmaxey you're doing it wrong! your site is quite... messy :P better if you clean up the code, using external files and a new life will start for your site
 
I guess IDK what it takes to "clean up" the code
@Wes Do you just mean external files?
 
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4:21 AM
first move all <script>s and <style> to external files (using <link rel="stylesheet">)
 
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then fix indentation of html, js and css, it will make the debugging easier
 
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star this if you hate the collapsing margins
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3:41 PM
'lo
@crypticツ Nope it's not. :)
 
3:57 PM
@OctavianDamiean then what you talkin about then? Btw I updated my comment, in case you read the previous one.
 
Yup, that's what I was talking about. I should have linked to that page ...
 
@OctavianDamiean yeah I thought you were talking about a markdown page all that time =oP
ok made it, waiting for it to go through, I chose the minimal theme
 
4:22 PM
cool
 
 
1 hour later…
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5:47 PM
eveningz
 
6:27 PM
yo
 
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yo
 
whats up
 
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not my mood :(
 
oops
 
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my life is going really wrong, especially because my internal clock is broken, it's 20:30 in italy and i just woke up. :|
 
6:32 PM
@Wes i am sure its because computer and computer sux ... :(
 
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yeah
 
@Wes why not public sector then ? i mean administrative or police officer .. job
 
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police job? :| :P
 
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i'm old, i can't change anymore my job :P
 
@Wes may i ask how old are you ?
 
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6:37 PM
26
 
@Wes not too but yes little bit ... (according to my country)
 
6:50 PM
Hi guys !
 
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hello
 
Tell me, do you have any idea how to solve this ? stackoverflow.com/questions/16385578/…
in CSS or js, I'm really stuck
 
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can you do a jsfiddle with the code?
 
Yes, of course, wait a sec
 
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loool this is really cool, it's a polaroid! :P
 
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7:02 PM
so problem is that little gap
 
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between the two meshes right
 
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or you mean that the actual space taken by the scale(1) should be reduced too while you do scale(0.5) ?
 
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@user2015854
 
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@user2015854 it has to do to the transform-origin property
 
7:21 PM
@Wes sorry, had to quick eat with my girlfriend (you can't say no)
@Wes well, I've tried everything in regard of transform-origin property, but nothing works
 
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lol
 
The scale property leave a white space because of the original width and height of the pack
 
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yes
 
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how are you doing the scale? using :hover and a transition for example?
 
Well, I want it to be 0.2 at first
then, on hover, to be full sized
 
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7:25 PM
in short you have to wrap everything in a container
 
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origin should be transform-origin:left top;
 
Well, I've tried the overflow:hidden solution
And isn't left top the origin by default ?
 
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while you have 0.2 you have to set the width=actual1:1width * 0.2 and height the same
 
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i'm not that good with transforms, is it?
 
hahaha, neither am I
 
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7:27 PM
no, default value is 50% 50%
 
Can you try to edit the fiddle to show me how you would do it ?
 
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ok i'm trying (eventually)
 
Thanks man
@Wes do you have an idea, eventually, on how to do it in Js ?
 
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no way! there is no js
 
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i nearly done it btw
 
7:41 PM
Oh ! Show me !
 
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steady
 
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@user2015854 is it ok?
 
It's more than that
thanks, really
Internet hug
 
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lol! pick a proper username :P and join us in the room
 
7:52 PM
i don't know if it worked
Damned
 
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wat?
 
Haha nothing, my username
 
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:P
 
IT WORKS
(if you were wondering, this is the website : paperkrop.com/contest)
 
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LOL! it's really pretty :P
 
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8:05 PM
did you consider to use canvas instead of css transforms? canvas could work also on older browsers
 
Thanks !
Well, yes, but I'm the biggest noob with canvas
plus, is it difficult to manage responsive with canvas ?
 
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not really, you could scale the whole canvas
 
Oh okay, maybe you'll teach me how to do so
 
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lol, i never actually used canvas :P was just a random thought
 
8:59 PM
Do it, canvas is awesome. ;)
 
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9:11 PM
hey @OctavianDamiean you know you have a pretty Roman-ish (nick)?name? are you a descendant of the House of the Holy Roman Emperor? :P:P
 
No. I'm a born Romanian.
As the name of Romania implies it was once a Roman province. :)
 
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yeah
 
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lot of names around here are roman-ish
 
Do you guys in Italy still learn Latin like we do in Austria?
 
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some schools yes
 
9:17 PM
I just started talking Latin classes. :)
 
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wut?
 
:D
I think it's interesting.
 
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also i think we are even more conservative than you people of austria. who cares about latin, in 2013......... except you?
 
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:P
 
heh
:o
17 hours ago, by Wes
star this if you hate the collapsing margins
Why? I mean why do you hate collapsing margins?
 
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9:21 PM
i hate them
 
I love 'em.
 
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why i should use border, padding, or overflow hidden to getting rid of them
 
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they are just stupid. in my mind if i apply a background to an element, its margins should not collapse
 
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i would love a property margin-collapse:disabled
 
9:27 PM
@Wes huh? Any example?
 
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ok wait
 
OH WAIT!
In my head margin collapsing became border collapsing ...
Never mind.
 
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user652649
jsfiddle.net/mTg2k/1 this is instead how it should appear
 
Yeap, got you.
 
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9:32 PM
of course you can use overflow:hidden, but flyouts/popups will be cut
 
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or even worse padding:1px 0;margin:-1px 0; that will surely mess up something
 
Mhmm, do you know Balsamiq mockup or Pencil (the Firefox based tool)?
 
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never heard of them. what are these?
 
Basically, wireframing tools.
 
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looks cool
 
user652649
9:37 PM
i could need this kind of software, is it browser based?
 
Pencil is, if you use Firefox.
I had an idea for a developer tool.
Something like those wireframing tools but combined with the features of responsive.is implemented in a canvas.
That could save a lot of people from using Photoshop/Gimp for designing.
At least the modern front-end designers that prototype right away.
 
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or me, that i use libreoffice draw
 
I'm one of the front-end designers/developers that prototypes instead of creating static images.
Man this was a creative weekend ... two new tool/application ideas. :)
 
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:P did you create some tool already?
 
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@OctavianDamiean me also, but sometimes for to have "instant visual feedback" you have to use static images
 
9:46 PM
Nah, instant visual feedback can be achieved by prototyping too. :)
@Wes Nah, both ideas are quite complicated.
 
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@OctavianDamiean could you prototype with idk the customer sat near you breathing on your hair? :P
 
11:02 PM
what's new?
 
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the html 5.1 spec? seriously, it does exist.
 
wow :)
 
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and i'm fighting against xdebug
 
against? why?
 
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did you ever use it?
 
11:07 PM
yup
heard there's something better
 
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i'm going to print a colossal backtrace, seriously, about 10mb of data, no recursive things
 
whoa
 
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and my current backtrace viewer sucks in this occasion
 
hope you're not gonna use paper to print that :P
that's because you're not on linux !
 
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so i want to see if xdebug can help me somehow
 
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11:10 PM
too much data that i usually don't want to read in my bt, now may be needed
 
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because i cant' figure out where is the *°ç*éç°§é§*Pç"é£ error
 
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mother of god
 
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madre de dios
 
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madre di dio
 
loool
 
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11:13 PM
mutter gottes
 
upload it somewhere
i'll take a peak, maybe others from php will help too
 
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you don't know me. i will never surrender. nevah!
 
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code of my colleague:
 
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function __isset ($name){
try{ return $this->__get($name) !== NULL;}
catch(\Exception $e){}
return false;
}
 
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sigh
 
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11:20 PM
xdebug trace print is even worse than mine
 
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11:38 PM
i think i found the problem, but dunno why it happens, apparently a field is set via $i->__set("value", ......) instead of actually setting the $i->value
 
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visibility is ok
 
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GOT IT
 
<braindead>
 
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11:57 PM
yes. definitely
 

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