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1:34 AM
@ElectionBot alive
 
@SamuelLiew I'm alive on electionbot.samliew.com, started on 2022-11-01 01:29:37Z with 295 seconds of uptime.
 
it was online but I'm not sure what made it leave the room. Restarted.
 
2:00 AM
ah we have a few new electionbot features
 
@SamuelLiew Tell that to the aliens.
 
who has the highest candidate score?
 
will the election be cancelled
 
@SamuelLiew The 14th Stack Overflow election hasn't even started yet!
 
2:10 AM
can I vote in the election
 
@SamuelLiew Yes, you can vote in the election. Just so you know, the election has not started yet.
 
why would anyone want to be a moderator
 
@SamuelLiew Moderators are ambassadors of trust and lead the community by example, are the primary arbiters of disputes, help maintain their sites at scale, and ensure the scope stays focused. Consider becoming one if those values speak to you. Moderators also get access to powerful tools to be effective at their tasks (binding votes, post locks, more data points, user suspension tooling, and tag maintenance tools).
 
 
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6:50 AM
@ZoestandswithUkraine I anticipate ~19 moderator candidate entries 1 minute before close of nomination phase. That'll be exciting ...for a minute.
 
@mickmackusa the joke will be on them when the site chooses that moment to go offline.
 
Snap! That would be a wicked twist! Perhaps the Stackers can schedule maintenance for then (and not announce it).
 
There seems to be a lot of maintenances that aren't announced. So, nothing new.
 
what is the candidate score for 2943403
 
@mickmackusa You can only request candidate score of others as a privileged user, sorry. I can tell you your own score if you want
 
7:02 AM
fun on
 
@mickmackusa Heh. Well, that's apparently an edge case no one expected...
("what is my candidate score?" ought to do it, if you're curious)
 
@RyanM sorry, you already have a diamond! Just so you know, your score is 35 (out of 40). You are missing this badge: Sportsmanship.
 
@ElectionBot Your condolences for my moderatorship are gratefully accepted.
 
@RyanM Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn.
 
what is my candidate score?
 
7:07 AM
@mickmackusa Your candidate score is 39 (out of 40). You are missing this badge: Sportsmanship.
 
By dense rank, I am #323 ...not good enough. I'd better go find some answers on pages that I've answered on and get my upvote-on.
 
I tried to get that one without upvoting bad answers. I got further than I expected to, honestly. 61/100.
 
Sportsmanship will bring me up to #131.
 
@RyanM I tried to go for Sportsmanship once. I gave up after reviewing maybe 50 or 100 answers (one page or two) and upvoting maybe twice. I do have the badge now but it's not to any actual effort on my part to get it. Just natural interactions.
 
I never got very far naturally because I hadn't gone back to check on questions I'd answered to see if they'd gotten other helpful answers. Generally if there was already a good answer, I didn't post one myself.
 
7:28 AM
the problem with Sportsmanship is that it assumes there is anything else to upvote at all
 
Did they get rid of the Hot Meta Posts again or am I imagining things? ... I can't find it on the Community Bulletin anymore.
 
that badge really should be removed from the candidate score
 
Maybe there should be a badge for "did a meaningful activity on the site on more than 300 of the last 365 days". That would prove that the candidate would commit to a high frequency of daily tasks as a moderator.
 
@BhargavRao Oh probably just a thingsBroken++
 
Ah, the good ol mess with the code base and see what happens. :p
 
7:43 AM
It's one of the stranger (at least to me) gambling games.
But it might be the new monetisation strategy by SE. Bet on what will break and when.
It's a bold move to make SE as the whole platform an online betting site.
 
@VLAZ based on some of the spam we get you'd think it already is
 
8:09 AM
Right now you can also bet on whether an API call will succeed!
 
If I bet a dollar on "no", do I just get less than a dollar in total as winnings?
...well, that's awkward. It's the wrong room...
 
8:41 AM
@VLAZ Dunno what you mean, looks right to me.
 
You know when you walk into, say, the kitchen instead of the bedroom, don't do anything and just exclaim you're in the wrong room? It's kind of like that. And then the RyanMba roomba cleans up some mess after you definitely didn't do anything wrong.
 
 
1 hour later…
10:11 AM
Hello again Election Chat room. How I've missed you.
 
It's only been (today - last_election) time.
 
It's pretty close to a year
 
@ElectionBot When was the last election?
 
@Dharman reticulating splines
 
@ZoestandswithUkraine I was pretty lazy to check the exact dates. I thought it was around this time, though.
 
 
1 hour later…
11:49 AM
* sigh *And so my streak of asking ill-received moderator election questions continues. I'm already looking forward to 2024. What can I ask...?
 
@ouflak "If you could be a household appliance, which one would you choose and why?"
 
Actually, I might not be so bad off for the next. Think I dyslexically squeezed a negative sign in there for 2020. So if the pattern holds, 2024 might not be so bad. "Are you willing to release your tax returns if elected?" How can that Not get some upvotes?
 
"Please provide your birth certificate for the election"
 
12:04 PM
If you were on a deserted island which book would you take with you?
 
If you were on a dessert island how much of it would you eat?
 
If you were a desert, how much of you would be an island?
 
12:20 PM
That's a pretty solid question.
 
"If you are on a deserted island, but you won't leave, is it really 'deserted'?" That one would make a potential moderator candidate squirm. I'd bet they'd be happy if that one didn't make the top ten.
 
12:43 PM
^ all candidates should have to solve this CAPTCHA
 
1:08 PM
Looks like all of the election excitement has taken down meta.
Hope it wasn't my question...
 
not just meta
 
I still seem to be able to get everywhere I usually haunt. What else has gone down?
 
in SO Close Vote Reviewers, 3 mins ago, by Ian Campbell
Yours is also broken. I can't open any other users' profiles.
 
@ouflak My faith in humanity.
Also, the level of the coffee in my mug.
 
Looks like expats isn't loading either. Just getting a blank page.
 
1:30 PM
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Q: Typo in election page "candidiates"

bad_coderThere's a typo in the election page, where it reads: Primary (active only if there are >10 candidiates) it should be candidates.

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Guess the excitement has already waned. Looks like everything is back up.
 
@Ethan I'd be happy to edit more if I could get past the 2k cap needed to avoid the review queue that's usually full....Having a cap makes sense, but have the caps been revisited since the site grew so much?
 
2:09 PM
@Bellrampion I would also. I would also spend more time in review queues since I would actually be able to edit things with out praying to the 2k users hoping they reviewed enough so the queue is not full
@ElectionBot what is my candidate score?
 
@Ethan You are not eligible to nominate yourself in the election as you do not have at least 3000 reputation. You are also missing the required badge: Convention. Your candidate score is 11 (out of 40).
 
Wow it working
11 is higher then expected thought.
 
yea max size is 500. It will never display as such due to caching
 
Reeeeeally close though. I see it at 499 right now
 
2:13 PM
I see it as 360 for me
 
@Ethan That's because you don't see the tag edits.
 
🚽
 
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forgot about those
 
Is that...a toilet in italic?
 
2:17 PM
That's so you can lean back and relax.
 
🚽
The bolded version just doesn't stand out like it should.
 
@Andy lol
 
2:33 PM
@Andy Trying to submit an edit says the queue is full at the moment, so yeah it's at the cap or really close
 
 
4 hours later…
6:41 PM
@Bellrampion the problem is throughput, not total size. A 1000-edit queue would be just as full, but it'd take longer to get to your edit.
 
just remove the cap, eventually people will just stop editing because they never go through
 
yeah. The actual root of the problem cannot be solved by increasing the queue size, but by getting more and better reviewers
 
problem solved
 
Not sure if they need a better incentivize scheme or something. Badges for reviews worked for a bit, and it's still pulling in some reviewers. But it's clear that the predictions on how that would devalue reviewing to being meaningless or the opposite - how it would bring loads of great reviewers into the process, just hasn't panned out either way.
It's not really made that much of a difference either way really. We still have the same old problems, and if anything they're getting worse. To few reviewers for too many reviews. And for the edit queue, you can't age away the reviews such as what happens all of the other queues if they sit around too long.
They could try reputation, but I think you'll get the same effect: a bump at first and then a steady regression. Not sure what the solution is. There is also a problem with burnout which I've gone through myself.
 
my thought on it is if you dropped the cap, then at least passers by/ops can see and improve/approve/reject the edit.
and emphasize that process more, bring more of the moderation queues into the site rather than relying on people going to the queues
make it obvious to users who can approve edits that there's an edit pending when you visit a question
that there's a close vote pending
etc
bring more of the community into the process by bringing the process to the community where they are rather than trying to push people into queues
 
6:53 PM
But the number of edit reviews would surely explode. It would likely get into the thousands in just a few days. How would you solve the problems that brings? The numbers alone scare people off. And since they can't be aged away, there's no way to even artificially keep it low.
 
i don't see a problem with that
by bringing the actions that are pending on a post to the forefront when viewing the question/answer, the edits/actions that are most useful will still get applied
the ones that don't matter will sit pending forever
Maybe sort the queues smilarly. Push the edits on posts that have been active recently to the front
 
7:09 PM
I think pushing reviewing to be more visible in general would be good - e.g., "hey, while you're here - is this a good edit?"
 
@RyanM I should clarify - when I said revisit caps, I was talking about the reputation levels for the review queues. There was a meta SO post a while back (4+ years, I think?) that compared the average votes on a question to the average votes now - it was something like 18 to 2. Gaining rep is slower than it used to be.
I'd prefer it to be based on your history of good/bad edits + a lower rep boundary (500 or so). That's sort of how the first/late answer and question review queues work (they also have no limit, so they're always super full).
@ouflak Rep would probably work better than badges, although after a point burnout would still be an issue; I, for one, would rather review if I'm getting something out of it that helps me on the site instead of just something shiny that most people won't notice, but maybe other people don't care. Opening up the potential pool of reviewers would help at least a bit because there would be more people to spread the load.
 
@Bellrampion Oh. Yes, I'd agree with that.
You'll certainly find a lot of sympathy on the mod team for "privileges should not be entirely tied to reputation."
...especially from me, as I have a few normally-rep-based privileges solely due to my diamond.
 
7:31 PM
Do the mods have much say about things like rep-based privileges, or are those managed entirely by the staff?
 
entirely by staff
 
7:42 PM
iirc there's some levers that can be pulled surrounding rep privileges, but they're all for dealing with the opposite edge case: very small sites
 
8:05 PM
There are levers for changing the rep levels, but they can only be pulled by staff
At least some staff also agree that moving privileges to be not entirely rep-based is a good idea, but actually implementing that is non-trivial.
 
@RyanM That unfortunately makes sense.
 
 
2 hours later…
10:05 PM
@ElectionBot still alive?
 
@blackgreen I want to play a game.
 
@ElectionBot how many mods does it take to change a light bulb?
 
@blackgreen It only takes 19 mods! Just ask Bohemian.
 
Whats the backstory behind that?
 
10:30 PM
I have no idea
 
that's a lot of mods for changing a light bulb
 
But the correct answer is just one. Why would you need mods to do it when you could call it a community effort? :P
 
or one could just leave the bulb in the review queue
 
Perpetual status-review
 
@ElectionBot do you also know jokes about Jon Skeet?
 
10:33 PM
@blackgreen Houston, we have a problem.
 
@ElectionBot say a joke about Jon Skeet
 
@blackgreen Jon Skeet has more "Nice Answer" badges than you have badges.
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lol'ed
I also suspect it's true
 
@ElectionBot How many ElectionBots does it take to monitor an election?
 
@ZoestandswithUkraine To be honest, my love, I couldn't care less.
 
10:35 PM
lmao
ElectionBot slacking on the job confirmed
 
11:10 PM
@blackgreen declined: flags should only be used to make moderators aware of light bulbs that require their intervention
 

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