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12:53 AM
btw, @ZoestandswithUkraine, it slipped my mind that I don't have permissions to edit the org's profile
 
 
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11:17 AM
Ah, right. I'll fix
oof
That doesn't work well with GH
I'll have to resize it a little
Or not
@OlegValteriswithUkraine Fixed
Doesn't scale all that well though, but /shrug
 
 
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1:22 PM
@Feeds Question - I'm not sure that y'all have any expertise in this subject matter but these tags (to me) seem really full of abbreviations, which could make them more difficult to understand. Would it be preferable to spell out the full product name? For example, instead of wso2-am use wso2-api-manager ?
I'm generally OK with abbreviations if that's the standard way of referring to something but they can be unclear and we have plenty of characters to use.
 
@Catija I'll say it depends
 
An example - the wso2 page about Governance Registry does not mention anywhere that it's known as "greg" - but I don't know whether that abbreviation is normal or whether we should be encouraging them to use the tag wso2-governance-registry at least as a synonym (which doesn't currently exist).
 
If wso2 AM is the main name for the API manager, yes. If it isn't an established abbreviation, no
wsos2-am or wsos2-api-manager can always by synonymized to whichever makes sense as the main tag
 
Sure - and that aligns with what I'm thinking - I just have no clue how to even tell if it's a standard term - nowhere on the product page does it shorten the product name to WSO2 AM - it always says WSO2 API Manager.
 
@Catija yeah, that's not really possible to tell without SME input
But if it always says API manager, we probably want that tag. Alternatively, you could contact them and ask
 
1:31 PM
I'll ask Bert - he's the one in contact with them.
 
some abbreviations are OK but...it's very tricky. The problem is that there is so many things that can be abbreviated that you might run into an overlapping one easily. Recently I saw a question tagged which, it turned out, the asker meant to be "Data Structures and Algorithms". Yet it's about some specific cryptography thing.
 
yeah, but it's a product-scoped subproduct
 
Even then, the tag should be easily discoverable. If the tag is [wso2-governance-registry] and it's rather common for that to be referred as "greg", then it's not going to be easy to find. Or worse, there might be some other tag that is [greg] or mentions it, which leads to users picking it a lot.
 
2:07 PM
@VLAZ Which is why you have synonyms - right? Someone who doesn't know that it's called "greg" is just as confused not finding "governance-registry"
 
Synonyms are...also not great.
 
How do you mean?
 
Depth-First Search is very well-known by the abbreviation "DFS". However, is not a synonym for Depth-First Search because there is another technology called that (some sort of file system)
 
The point is, the tag system isn't great for disambiguating abbreviations
 
Not at all.
Users themselves might have a very big familiarity with only one usage of the abbreviation and never even suspect there is another meaning to it.
 
2:11 PM
OK... but I'm specifically talking about the wso2 stuff, so it's always going to have "wso2" tacked onto it...
I understand the value of thinking broadly but I also can't only think broadly - the solution sometimes depends on the specific case.
 
Admittedly, it's still going to spill over
 
The point is if there exists a tag [greg] and a [wso2-governance-registry] a user could type in "greg" in the tag box expecting the WSO2 thing.
 
I'm actually not sure what would happen if there was a tag synonym [wso2-greg] - would the tag search show [wso2-governance-registry]?
 
But there doesn't. The current tag is [wso2greg] and they want to rename it to [wso2-greg]... which is all fine and dandy except that the actual product name is [wso2-governance-registry]. Why doesn't having all three of them make for a solution?
 
2:15 PM
It does do the trick though, at least when the system is what it is
 
@VLAZ the wso2greg tag isn't common enough to appear in tag results when asking a question currently if you just search for "greg". There are only three tags that contain "governance" so using that would make it come up in tag search more quickly than "greg".
Apparently there's already that generally refers to this wso2 product. :/
Ugh.
I need to go do something that's actually my job. HAHA
 
This is your job now! :p
 
2:35 PM
Is another one of those "stuck" tags? A user with 300 rep used it. When I hovered over the tag it said there are 2 questions. When I clicked on , I only saw the one question that was just posted. The question is now deleted but hovering over the tag claims there is 1 question tagged with it. The tag page shows nothing.
 
2:55 PM
This same thing came up in SOCVR earlier
 
@VLAZ yep
It's unclear what the criteria are to make such a tag though
They don't seem to have anything in common
 
@ZoestandswithUkraine They seem like crappy tags. But I suppose that's not the real relation between them.
 
No
The thing is, good tags could also be stuck
The problem with proving that is that we don't delete good tags
 
But we wouldn't know because we wouldn't be trying to remove them, yes
 
Like, for all we know, [java] or [c++] could be stuck
 
2:59 PM
Maybe run an experiment on one tag. Just picking randomly here: [regex]
/s
 
I approve! :p
But to save time and effort, we should just get CMs to close and delete everything with DB magic
 
3:30 PM
Not to put too much pressure but:
 
 
6 hours later…
9:46 PM
I think we'll do a short break after we're done with [comma]
A week at most
 
9:59 PM
maybe more of I decide to do a disambiguation that doesn't take me alone an hour, but that's basically just a type of burn
 
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10:53 PM
@ZoestandswithUkraine nice, thanks! It was a quick job, so I didn't scale it well for a GH logo (thought more about the website). I'll get my paws on a GH version once I reinstall PS
It's so painful to have to edit the SVG source to recolor
 
11:21 PM
@OlegValteriswithUkraine doesn't really matter i suppose
Logos are really hard because of scale
 
Yeah - I'll give a shot at an adapted version as soon as I don't have to manually edit fill and stroke
 

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