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12:02 AM
@ZoestandswithUkraine speaking of setting up - any preferences for primary / secondary background color and font color?
 
12:17 AM
I opted for hsl(9, 89%, 69%); till tomorrow just to get the top menu up and running
 
@OlegValteriswithUkraine as long as there's a light mode, I'm happy :p Secondary background and colors and whatnot is not something I have much of a preference for at the moment
 
@ZoestandswithUkraine understood - I am using variables either way so it will be easy to tweak on the fly
 
Though in the spirit of the topic, we could probably base parts of the scheme off trogdor, or a general fire-like theme
Going to bed though. Later o/
 
@ZoestandswithUkraine yup, something light and fiery :)
@ZoestandswithUkraine night!
I should probably wrap up too, 3:25AM...
 
 
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12:31 PM
@OlegValteriswithUkraine Looks good to me
We have to use black text on top of it though
White fails webaim
 
@ZoestandswithUkraine you mean the header? Yeah, I did not check accessibility yet, just wanted play around and set up the layout mostly - swifching to the inverse variable should likely do the trick
On an off-note, damn I wish google icons had a GitHub icon - it so painful to color-mask a png instead
 
What's postcss?
@OlegValteriswithUkraine I was just planning to add color to it
 
@ZoestandswithUkraine postprocessor - I only included it here autoprefix CSS
 
Was really hoping to avoid npm for this though :') Oh well
 
thus we can use any CSS that is still vendor-prefixed without worry :)
@ZoestandswithUkraine I was hoping too
 
12:37 PM
@OlegValteriswithUkraine Wait, what?
 
One failed build is a live testament to that being impossible
@ZoestandswithUkraine masks are still vendor-prefixed in Chrome
 
So vendor-prefix it manually?
 
@ZoestandswithUkraine why bother? ^_^
 
I'll go really far to avoid npm :P
 
@ZoestandswithUkraine well, we only need it for PostCSS. I promise not to add other things :) Do you prefer Yarn?
 
12:41 PM
I prefer anything that avoids node.js
 
@ZoestandswithUkraine ah, well... you don't need it locally, it's only for Github Actions
 
No, I do need it locally
❯ hugo serve
Start building sites …
hugo v0.98.0-165d299cde259c8b801abadc6d3405a229e449f6+extended linux/amd64 BuildDate=2022-04-28T10:23:30Z VendorInfo=gohugoio
WARN 2022/05/15 14:35:36 found no layout file for "HTML" for kind "taxonomy": You should create a template file which matches Hugo Layouts Lookup Rules for this combination.
WARN 2022/05/15 14:35:36 found no layout file for "HTML" for kind "taxonomy": You should create a template file which matches Hugo Layouts Lookup Rules for this combination.
 
Technically, both can be installed without it, but that's quite a chore
 
But why add all the overhead of node and npm when we can just manually prefix stuff?
 
@ZoestandswithUkraine yeah, you need sass locally too
I meant that it can be a global install locally
 
12:44 PM
@OlegValteriswithUkraine Yeah, but that's at least a part of package managers
and, well, not node
node-postcss is actually in my package manager too though, but still grabs node
Which is an issue
 
Don't want to have node on your system? :) I can remove the PostCSS step ofc, but I don't think it's much of an overhead
 
autoprefixer is also caching something poorly, and preventing me from making changes to the CSS
Or rather, I can make changes, but it doesn't actually save
 
@ZoestandswithUkraine that's weird - works fine for me, although I can drop a line of cache config in. I am fine with removal if you want to, though
 
I'd prefer removal, yeah
 
no problem, give me a little bit to ensure the prefixes are there
 
12:55 PM
I'm also messing around with this, but it's not really cooperating
Not sure why
Also looks like the autoprefixer may be interfering with the color in the header
I have no idea how, the header text color switches to white whenever I turn it back on
Or we could just, you know
Invert the image color and not use masks
 
@ZoestandswithUkraine huh
done, PostCSS removed
 
Thanks!
I pushed a quick and dirty change to flip the header text to black
 
@ZoestandswithUkraine yeah, that would work too, although I tried to avoid this a bit hacky solution - masks are easier to maintain a a cost of one prefixed prop for Chrome. Actually, I think it should be simply interpolated to avoid duplication - lemme get my first cup of coffee, and I'll do just that
@ZoestandswithUkraine YW - I am very flexible on what to use so long as avoids creating friction :)
 
1:25 PM
oh, and in case you didn't notice, I also shamelessly borrowed some table of content-stuff from my website. It needs a lot of styling and HTML fuckery to work on the site, but it's there if we want it
 
@ZoestandswithUkraine I noticed you plugged in ToC :) That's ok, there's a lot of HTML/CSS fuckery to do regardless
on an unrelated note, what about the logo, any ideas?
 
I have two: a flame, a flamethrower (obviously with a flame), and possibly one of those two with a half-burned tag
though that may also overlap a bit much with charcoal?
the first one, that is
they have a fire with a shield-like thing
 
yeah, just a flame is going to be confusingly similar to Charcoal. I like the flamethrower idea. Another one I've been pondering is tag BBQ, but not sure
 
Eh, I feel like that's going to be hard to fit into a logo
 
@ZoestandswithUkraine yeah, a bit. I think the flamethrower idea is a nicer one, though
 
 
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2:40 PM
Set up some skeleton documents for documentation
Ran into a bug that took me painfully long to fix:
Such backward behavior
 
yooo
 
hiya
@OlegValteriswithUkraine Not really a fan of the navbar opening the links in a new tab
 
@ZoestandswithUkraine yeah, I was about to ask you which one you prefer. I gravitate towards _blank, but I know that's a decade-old debate. Removing
 
_blank makes more sense for internal links going out
But for an internal navbar, it just feels awkward
 
btw, disablePathToLower seems to be duplicated - do you want it to be disabled or enabled?
 
2:56 PM
Ugh, I duplicated it again?
 
looks like it, accidentally
 
I flat out removed it
Default is false, I don't see any obvious arguments against keeping it that way
 
3:42 PM
Trying to come up with a nice about us section - heck, writing's hard
 
Yep :') I'm busy with some other stuff atm
 
4:22 PM
chose to focus on the /contribute page for now. Funny how all ideas disappear once you are presented with a blank page :)
 
4:44 PM
We don't need perfect on the first try anyway
We have a lot of tags to clean up, and a lot more yet to be discovered
Actually, if we're including rodgort in the list, why not slap that under a "related projects" header, and plug SOCVR, SOBotics, and Charcoal?
 
@ZoestandswithUkraine yeah, I just started, and been thinking of exactly what you said, actually
 
Charcoal is somewhat on the sideline, but SOCVR has always had a central role in burns, and SOBotics provides some of the bots used
 
5:39 PM
@ZoestandswithUkraine definitely - I started with rodgort to get a feeling of what data structure and organization shema is reasonable. In the pricess of adding the info on all of them
 
 
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7:22 PM
for bookkeeping: Revenant zombie-tracking bot
 
8:03 PM
Worth noting that rodgort already covers that, to a degree
Not the best tool in the world, but it does list all status-completed questions with tags. It's inaccurate because it doesn't always detect the right tags
 
@ZoestandswithUkraine yeah, I even burned a small zombie yesterday that showed up on the dashboard
 
very small, though. Baby zombie
 
9:04 PM
I'm making some changes for some base onboarding stuff
It's a super early draft obviously, it's just something to get us going
Also presents some theme-related issues, particularly on CTA buttons. I went with a shade of green because it's attention-grabbing, and that's exactly what a CTA is for :p
But fuck if I know, I'm just a programmer pretending to be an expert at marketing and user engagement
I think we'll want to greenlight (pun not intended) this, and then start the burnination. It's good enough for now, and we'll have plenty of time to keep working on it when the burn starts anyway
 
@ZoestandswithUkraine can you push upstream?
 
in a bit, making some final changes
 
@ZoestandswithUkraine same :) well, at least we are not the other way around
 
Honestly, that would've been easier :p
Programming is exact
Humans are not
 
@ZoestandswithUkraine sure, I don't think there's any point in stalling a burnination further than just this weekend too
 
9:16 PM
It's easier to learn programming than to learn psychology and design philosophy
I would've started it tomorrow anyway, but greenlighting it just means accelerating "in 10-12 hours" to now
"now"
 
@ZoestandswithUkraine the problem here is that programmers are usually exact too as opposed to marketing folks, so I am sure the feeling is mutual
 
Eh, I feel like programmers are a mixed bunch
But even the "inexact" ones aren't guaranteed to intuitively understand psychology and design
I mean, I'm not fully convinced I understand psychology and design
Speaking of design, I feel a red-ish secondary button may be problematic
Red in general as a primary color is tricky to work with. Probably need a third (non-black/grey) color to work with as well
Pushed what I have
I also want to redo the contribution section on related initiatives to boxes instead of a list, for clarity
 
@ZoestandswithUkraine I'll take a look
 
It's hard to tell where one initiative ends and the next begins
 
@ZoestandswithUkraine ah, yes, don't worry about that - I just did not add any styling that visually separates them yet
 
9:22 PM
So you'll fix that?
 
yup, that's already on my list - just too many things to do at once
 
oki - I'm not expecting it now anyway, just asking for the sake of coordination
 
@ZoestandswithUkraine all's fine - was just noting I already know about the problem :)
hate doing content, style, and utilities at the same time
 
There's still a lot we can do with the front page visually, for the record
Right now I'm just going for a quick and dirty solution so we have something
 
and by "hate" I mean it's quite fun, but being pulled in every direction is not. Re: visually - yeah, still a lot to do
 
9:26 PM
Not looking forward to doing the logo tbh
Logos are not my thing at all
 
logo design ain't my forte either, but I'll try to tackle the flamethrower in the upcoming days
 
@OlegValteriswithUkraine have you had a chance to look at it?
 
@ZoestandswithUkraine at the push?
 
yeah; it's fully deployed now too
 
9:46 PM
started to look into - for CTA, let's probably go for a complementary color to primary one, I'll try to see what fits best
 
that makes sense, yeah
Aren't there schemes based around three and four colors?
 
yeah, 3 would be the triadic color scheme
 
If we use a triadic one, that solves our problems I think
 
there's also tetradic one, althoguh I am not sure if it will fit the purpose
 
Bit much for our use
 
9:48 PM
most likely
 
Interestingly enough, one of the triadic colors is green
#6AF67F and #7F6AF6
 
I have to wrap up a big update to userscript header generator, and will get back to the update. Btw, while we are at it, do you think we should main-menu (or nested-menu) link the /intro page?
 
at some point, yes
 
@ZoestandswithUkraine unsurprizingly enough, given it's usually the contrasting color to red
 
but I'd like to have a bit more documentation before we do that
 
9:51 PM
@ZoestandswithUkraine sure, just noted in case there is a missing menu item
 
I'll have to go soon though, so I'm gonna get the burnination going
 
I probably should follow your example more :) stayed up till 7AM in the end and barely made myself stop thinking about making a simple game for the 404 page
 
I have a hard cutoff around 3 in the morning, though it's shifting closer to midnight atm. At that point, my brain just nopes out. the longest I've gone is 4 out of pure necessity
I'm trying to unfuck my sleep schedule in general though; the goal atm is to consistently wake up at 7:30. It generally works (exceptions apply where I have to wake up earlier), and should help make it more of a routine in the long run
 
@ZoestandswithUkraine yeah, the first sentence is what I've been trying to do for a couple of months now
 
Really depends on what your problem is, and what works better for you. Half my job is just forcing myself to go to bed, and forcing myself to get up. That's really hard to do in practice, though
There's always just one more thing to do first
As a nuclear option, you can always try to get melatonin in some or another form. Whether that's efficient depends on the dosage and stuff though, but nothing like forcibly inducing a sleep state for going to sleep. Haven't done that this time around (largely because I don't believe it makes a difference when it's basically me fighting myself on whether it's time to sleep or not), but it did wonders when the falling asleep bit was a challenge a few years ago
 
10:06 PM
@ZoestandswithUkraine same - the worst part is to force to let go of the day - so much to do
nearly never had problems actually falling asleep, though
 
I've taken to journaling, basically as a way to offload my brain to something less likely to forget
@OlegValteriswithUkraine yeah, that's the trick anyway: I'm not sure if my brain is able to fight off any sleepiness introduced by external melatonin, and that assumes the non-prescriptioned doses are high enough to have an impact
I'm instead relying on routine
 
@ZoestandswithUkraine tried that several times, but I seem to lack the discipline for that - it kind of looks like a swiss cheese in terms of dates these days
 
@OlegValteriswithUkraine So do I at times. I was supposed to go to bed 45 minutes ago :')
 
normalizing sleep intervals seems to be the way to go, but heck if it does not look like trying to stop a bad habit - a period of normality, then something happens, and the carefully constructed routine goes to all hell
 
But I'm sleepy, so that's progress
 
10:14 PM
At least you don't have a habit of smoking and caffeinating all day :) that does not help getting sleepy
 
yeah, I guess I have that going for me
failing all else, though, you might as well lean into the bad sleep schedule, and take control
Like, if you tend to go to sleep around 5, say that you'll go to bed at 4:30. Then 4:15 or 4:00 a day or two later, and continue like that. Same for wakeup times
Pro tip: use alarms :')
 
Yeah, that's the common tactic I use, although in reverse: if the schedule is botched, start increasing an hour a day until it comes full circle. Decreasing never worked for me
@ZoestandswithUkraine never worked :) 4-6 alarms usually fail to get me up
 
I meant for going to bed :p
 
Yeah, I just realised you meant that :)
Actually, that might work
 
I have an alarm at 23:30. Morning alarms are tricky, but I use a combination of a non-standard alarm clock app that I have to get out of bed to turn off, a number of alarms in two different systems, and preparing myself in advance that I have to get up. Again with varying success atm. Mostly stuck in a 50/50 cycle at the moment
Making progress though, so that's nice
 
10:22 PM
@ZoestandswithUkraine what does this alarm do to make one get out of bed to turn it off? :)
 
Was already tilting on a problematic sleep pattern, so DST this year completely knocked me off-balance. I'm eagerly awaiting the day when the EU finally decides to accept both the majority of the population and researchers in getting rid of it
@OlegValteriswithUkraine It makes me scan a QR code that I intentionally placed in a way that doesn't have a line of sight from my bed :p
... sort of, it's on my door which I can see from my bed, but it's not at a scannable angle
 
@ZoestandswithUkraine hmm... that sounds interesting :) I might try that - tried to use an app that forces you to solve something, but, apparently, my brain treats it as just an annoyance to get rid of before shutting off again.
 
It's alarmy (android), if you're interested. I've had some problems with it not going off at times though, bordering rampant in some periods
Not sure if that's it or Samsung's fault though. I blame Samsung. Their power management is garbage
Anyhow, burnination logistics managed, so I'm going to bed. Later o/
 
@ZoestandswithUkraine definitely, thanks! I think I eyeballed it before, btw, before settling on turbo Alarm (the one that does not, unfortunately, help) precisely because of the claims of not going off at times. Not sure who's to blame, though
@ZoestandswithUkraine have a good night's sleep!
 
@OlegValteriswithUkraine It's overwhelmingly battery management
See dontkillmyapp.com -- it's for the technical side of things, but it paints a very clear picture of the blame
 
10:35 PM
guess it's time to go back to real alarm clocks
 
I'm tempted, to be honest
Right, actually going now :p
 
11:34 PM
LOL "Burnination HQ" sounds like "Comedy Central"
Ok I've cast 50 CVs before 0 UTC... I'll be back sometime later for more.
 
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Hi!
 
user17242583
I'm away from the queues for a while, so maybe I can help in burninations :)
 
11:55 PM
@richardec I think you can safely ask Zoe to lift the suspension since you already acknowledged it (unless they acted on a wider sample of reviews, ofc)
@bad_coder from today's list of bad tag-based puns: what is the favourite game of tags?
 

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