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12:03 AM
Isn't it October 31st and December 25th that programmers are supposed to mix up?
Why would you forget to write Happy Thanksgiving if it was before Halloween?
 
@CodyGray Why is this a programming thing? Now February 29th most definitely is.
 
@DanielWiddis It's an octal to decimal joke. Oct 31 == Dec 25.
 
@CodyGray Ooooooooh. Well use the 3 letter abbreviations then! ;)
Does anyone still use Octal? Last I remember them being relevant was in my CompuServe User Id.
 
Yeah, octal is used all the time!
Any time you put a literal "0" in your C or C++ code!
Maybe Java, too. Not sure.
 
Ah, yes... I recall it's a key part of Unicode.
 
12:09 AM
Any numeric literal in C or C++ that starts with "0" is interpreted as an octal literal. For example, "031" is 25 in decimal. But, of course, the literal "0" starts with "0", so it's interpreted as an octal literal. Which, conveniently, means the same thing in octal and in decimal: 0.
Otherwise... no. Never used. Although the Windows calculator does support it in programmer's mode.
 
@ElectionBot will votes be counted in Decimal, Octal, Binary, or some other base?
 
May the Force be with you.
 
All your base are belong to us
 
@DanielWiddis the votes will be counted in base64
 
@CodyGray because then I wouldn't have a reminder ahead of time. (Halloween does get mentioned here in the news but not Thanksgiving.)
 
12:13 AM
Ah, I see.
 
12:33 AM
Are unix access modifies not also octal?
 
12:57 AM
@Scratte Yes, a numeric mode passed to chmod is in octal.
 
Thank you :) I guess that certainly answers @DanielWiddis's questions if octals are still used :)
 
user4717133
hello
 
user4717133
a moderator to help me?
 
user4717133
@Makyen are you there, help me plz XD
 
Moderators very rarely respond to pleas for help in chat..
There are too many users and too few moderators for that to work out well.
 
1:03 AM
@Arcanis-TheOmnipotent Unless your inquiry is about the 2021 moderator election, this is not the right place to be asking.
 
user4717133
ok, what are the requirements? to be a mod..
 
user4717133
i am reading zorry
 
@ElectionBot help
 
Examples of election FAQs I can help with:
- what is an election
- how to nominate myself
- how to vote
- who should I vote for
- how is candidate score calculated
- what is my candidate score
- what are the moderation/participation/editing badges
- what is the election status
- when is the election starting/ending
- when is the next phase
- how many positions are elected
- who are the candidates
- who are the current mods
 
@Arcanis-TheOmnipotent they are written at the top of the election page.
 
user4717133
1:06 AM
ys i say i am reading
 
@Arcanis-TheOmnipotent I think this post is also relevant Who are the diamond moderators.
 
user4717133
@bad_coder yes, I had a very bad idea; I thought that some of them could review this post; the publication is almost 5 pages long and I received a lot of negative votes in a very short time, I think that those people simply saw the initial negative vote and did not take the slightest time to rate my publication. meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/412249/…
 
user4717133
I guess that's how this site works.
 
you do know that pinging moderators directly on what does not require their involvement is heavily frowned upon, right? :)
 
user4717133
@OlegValter I didn't know, I just saw it. that is not on the site tour.
 
1:15 AM
@Arcanis-TheOmnipotent I can't evaluate PHP questions. A good place to ask would be the PHP chat room or maybe at SOCVR.
 
not much of importance is in the site's tour, don't worry :)
 
Why SOCVR? I thought that was Stack Overflow Close Vote Reviewers!
 
> Do not request action on posts or edits where you are involved or where you have a conflict of interest.
friendly reminder - do not forget about rule #15 of SOCVR
 
@Arcanis-TheOmnipotent However, posting on MSO tends to attract a lot of downvotes, it's sometimes called the Meta effect. So that is normal and can happen regardless of reputation, and if you are right or wrong. There's no control on MSO, votes are opinions and the pressure tends to be on the asker.
 
user4717133
thanks guys stay on top of all this.
 
user4717133
1:19 AM
@Someone_who_likes_SE some mod candidates in close review agree with my post but cannot participate ... or get involved at this time ...
 
@Arcanis-TheOmnipotent I've seen cases on MSO where the posters were right (about getting a post reopened) and even then took a barrage of downvotes. Again, please notice I can't make any comment on whether the Q is technically right, wrong, or if the closure was fair or not. I'm just pointing out how site dynamics usually work.
 
user4717133
@bad_coder ok
 
@Arcanis-TheOmnipotent As a last thought, at 6000 new questions per day. Generally raising the issue of a post on meta tends to be welcome only if you have a very strong case, and even then it's a lottery.
 
@Someone_who_likes_SE That is the name, yes. However, the room generally covers user-level moderation on Stack Overflow main, which is significantly more than just close voting and reviewing in the close votes review queue. However, closing questions is a large part of that.
 
user4717133
@bad_coder :( so we need like 100 moderators not 10.
 
1:24 AM
ideally, we should not need that many exception handlers (which mods are), but the workload of SO is massive
who are the current mods
 
The current 24 moderators are: Aaron Hall, Andy, Baum mit Augen, Bhargav Rao, Bohemian, BoltClock, Brad Larson, ChrisF, Cody Gray, deceze, Flexo, Jean-François Fabre, Jon Clements, josliber, Machavity, Makyen, Martijn Pieters, meagar, Michael Myers, Rob, Ry-, Samuel Liew, Tim Post, Undo
 
^ and we already have 24, not 10 :) And electing 2 more this month
 
user4717133
but how many are active ??? is that the problem is volume vs. assets.
 
@Arcanis-TheOmnipotent I don't know if 100 would be enough :P when I was starting out on the site I saw things differently. But after reviewing +/- 12000 items and probably voting to close over 5000 posts today I understand why established users have less tolerance for new contributors complaining about a closure. Because you get several of those complaints every day...
 
user4717133
is there a rule that removes the mod title if you leave AFK for a long time?
 
1:27 AM
@Arcanis-TheOmnipotent that's written in one of the linked posts (search the tag for further reading). Rule of thumb would be 6 months of inactivity, but it's said that isn't always enforced. Removing a mod wouldn't contribute much to getting more work done.
 
if you go and see their activity, moderators do not sit idly even if some can be not as active as they used to be, @Arcanis-TheOmnipotent
 
user4717133
@bad_coder that is a negative effect of societies ... because it worries about a person with a sickness that gives 1 out of every 100,000 people ... palliates them or lets them die ... if you manage to get this properly addressed, called quality of life ... in this case quality of the site. but of course there are many differences ... mainly there is no money involved ... if a voluntary tipping system were implemented; for sure the site would have a higher quality ...
 
@Arcanis-TheOmnipotent the current model has proved to be successful. Fact is, we're here.
 
user4717133
@bad_coder I do not believe it 6000 post a day and that many are new people published in META by a closure says otherwise.
 
@Arcanis-TheOmnipotent the statistics are public. On smaller sites you can actually count the posts at the end of the day, on a huge site like SO you could pull the posts programmatically using the public API.
 
1:37 AM
Interrupting to bring you this important message: The election is in the nomination phase, and currently there are 3 candidates. I can answer commonly-asked questions about elections (type @ElectionBot help for more info).
 
@Arcanis-TheOmnipotent you can also see the MSO Q's about closed questions. My guess is over 98% of those are deleted at some point. So you're probably only seeing the tip of the iceberg. But look at it by date.
 
It would have been easy to count if Questions had separate ids, but they seem to draw from the same sequence as Answers.
 
2:02 AM
@Scratte they do? I always thought those were separate...
 
This links to an Answer :) stackoverflow.com/q/11227902
 
lol good choice of post.
 
@bad_coder No, questions and answers are both posts. They are allocated IDs incrementally (mostly) from the same sequence.
 
@bad_coder Thank you. Didn't want to cause any "meta effect" :)
 
@Makyen thanks for confirming. @Scratte haha even if you did that post would stand the barrage.
 
2:09 AM
:)
 
Bed time...Enough SO for one day o/
 
2:40 AM
@ElectionBot alive
 
I'm alive on electionbot.samliew.com, started on 2021-10-13 15:13:31Z with an uptime of 41220 seconds.
 
@ElectionBot tell us a joke
 
@SamuelLiew If the GC in Java worked correctly, most Java programs would disappear.
 
2:53 AM
@OlegValter That's an SOCVR rule... not a site-wide rule. It's important in SOCVR because the room is focused on moderation duties, so the pings would be much more likely there, and could easily get out of hand. It doesn't exist in other chat rooms. If a mod is there, people are allowed to ping them. I agree it is and should be discouraged for practical reasons, but not because there are any rules against it.
 
@CodyGray I only mentioned it because bad_coder suggested SOCVR as a place to ask about one's posts :) My comment on mod pinging was "is heavily frowned upon" (see a couple message up)
 
@Arcanis-TheOmnipotent I just want to clarify here that deciding whether questions should be closed or not is not really the job of site moderators. We have the power to do that, and we will step in to do it in exceptional cases, but it is not really how the system is designed to work.
We prefer to let regular community members handle closing/reopening of questions. That way, the people who have expertise on the subject can vote, rather than some moderator, who is mostly just an expert on the SO system in general, not an expert on your specific programming question.
Moderators here handle things that normal community members cannot. For example, we handle flags coming from community members (escalating things to moderators that need a moderator's help to handle), and we also investigate voting fraud, put users into time-out for patterns of bad behavior, etc.
@ElectionBot Oh dang! That is a good one!
 
Well, here's another nice mess you've gotten me into!
 
@OlegValter Right, OK. Yes, I mostly know you know most of this. Mostly. :-)
@Arcanis-TheOmnipotent Your Meta question is fine. That's a perfectly valid way to ask for your question on the main site to be reviewed for re-opening. The downvotes on the Meta question don't mean you've done anything wrong. They just mean that people disagree with your request (in other words, they disagree that your question on the main site should be re-opened).
 
@CodyGray dang, I thought I know everything :)
 
3:01 AM
@OlegValter Better: you know what you don't know.
 
Socrates would be proud of me, yay!
 
3:27 AM
@Scratte I stand humbly humbled over my lack of respect for the almighty octal.
 
@DanielWiddis How shocked would you be if I told you that your question was already asked and answered on Stack Overflow?
 
@CodyGray Not at all. I think SO should be closed to all new questions as everything's a duplicate these days.
@CodyGray After actually reading the answers, they are woefully insufficient. I should add another answer highlighting Unicode!
 
I am not quite sure what you mean when you say octal is used in Unicode. How so?
Although Unicode code points are often written with leading 0s (e.g., U+0021), these numbers are not in octal notation.
 
And now for something completely different - The election is in the nomination phase, and currently there are 3 candidates. I can answer commonly-asked questions about elections (type @ElectionBot help for more info).
 
Who triggered that?
 
3:40 AM
Father Time.
 
@CodyGray See the RFC for Unicode. The word "octet" is used often.
 
@DanielWiddis Octet != octal. Octets are used in IP addresses, too. Octet just basically means "a group of 8". Or, in other words, a byte.
 
Well now I feel stupid.
 
Heh.
Don't we all sometimes.
 
Some more often than others.
 
3:43 AM
The bot tracks room activity (or inactivity): electionbot.samliew.com
 
For the longest time I imagined some odd offset between bytes and the actual characters and never really dug into it to realize I was overthinking it.
 
I recently learned it is toxic to tell people that they are overthinking problems.
I do not, however, plan to stop.
 
I have a "hold on, let me overthink this" T-shirt on my amazon wish list.
In other news the holidays are approaching. ;)
 
Haha, nice!
 
One of my worst faults on social media is arguing with people who come to the right conclusion for the wrong reasons.
 
3:52 AM
Why is this a fault?
It's not just important to reach the right conclusion. It's just as important, if not more important, to reach it for the right reasons.
If you don't know how to think, you might reach the wrong conclusion next time, because you're just getting there by accident.
 
I know. It's not a good strategy for actually changing anyone's mind though.
It's like on SO, closing something for the wrong reason. "Well it should be closed, who cares why?"
And then when you try to fix the correct close reason people nag you.
 
How often, really, do you ever succeed at changing people's minds, though?
@DanielWiddis Oh yes. People were doing exactly this nagging to me earlier in SOCVR. :-)
 
I know, thus the comment ;)
 
Heh
Haven't taken the time to read that transcript and respond to that yet.
 
And as far as changing minds.... well. I don't know. All I do know is that I personally try to be open to constructive criticism and I personally have changed my mind on many things based on feedback, so perhaps I'm optimistic.
 
3:57 AM
As do I, but I think we're a rare breed.
 
fist bump
 
I, too, maintain total optimism over this.
But I find that others see it as naive or foolish or annoying, or all three.
 
Breaking news!!! The election is in the nomination phase, and currently there are 3 candidates. I can answer commonly-asked questions about elections (type @ElectionBot help for more info).
 
user4717133
@CodyGray ok
 
@ElectionBot how to nominate myself
 
4:02 AM
You can only nominate yourself as a candidate during the nomination phase. You'll need at least 3000 reputation, have these badges (Civic Duty, Convention, Deputy, Strunk & White), and cannot have been suspended anywhere on the Stack Exchange network within the past year. You cannot nominate another user.
 
Oh, cool, i qualify.
 
How about: "You can nominate yourself as a candidate now, during the nomination phase."
@DanielWiddis Of course! You even have an appropriately rainbow-colored avatar. That is the most important criterion this year.
What is the candidate score for user 1161484?
 
@CodyGray The candidate score for user Daniel Widdis is 23 (out of 40). The user is missing these badges: Copy Editor, Refiner, Sportsmanship.
 
Nice, Sam fixed it. :-)
 
The whole "user 1161484" bit is not user friendly
 
4:04 AM
I think you're quite friendly!
 
And as stated earlier, I think my gradient rainbow is superior to others limited chromatic diversity.
 
What is the candidate score for stackoverflow.com/users/1161484?
 
@CodyGray Please read my previous message...
 
That would have worked, too.
 
4:05 AM
Pray tell, what is the candidate score for Daniel Widdis, oh great one?
 
The 40-point candidate score is calculated this way: 1 point for each 1,000 reputation up to 20,000 reputation (20 points); and 1 point for each of the 8 moderation, 6 editing, and 6 participation badges (20 points)
 
Close, but no cigar.
 
Apparently 6K rep really hurts in the "candidate score". Good thing I have a "color score" to offset.
 
You'll also need to be careful not to use "I" too many times in your nomination post.
 
taking notes
 
4:07 AM
@CodyGray ability to check if a user is present in the room and then matching the text for whether it contains their username instead of their user id is something that's been on my mind for quite a while :) But probably something for the next election
 
Perhaps better...
What is the candidate score for @OlegValter?
 
Please read my previous message...
 
That way, you aren't doing freeform text matching
ElectionBot can't tell the difference between Oleg and Daniel.
 
I know your thoughts.
 
Because I just told you!
 
4:09 AM
I am laughing way too hard right now
 
@CodyGray hmm, that would be easy to implement
 
Right?
And would be the typical use case.
Plus, it would ping the person with something at least close to the message containing the information they probably want to know.
 
@CodyGray there is a difference?
@CodyGray that does look like a really good idea
I was thinking about too much of a corner-case (no @-mention, just the username)
 
Exactly. That's the problem this avoids.
 
@ElectionBot what is the candidate score for user 366904
 
4:15 AM
@DanielWiddis The candidate score for user Daniel Widdis is 23 (out of 40). The user is missing these badges: Copy Editor, Refiner, Sportsmanship.
 
That's not user 366904
what is the candidate score for user 366904
 
@DanielWiddis Please read my previous message...
 
Only mods and maintainers of the bot can request candidate score for other users.
You always get your own when you ask.
 
Well, BOO.
 
Now you're getting into the holiday spirit!
 
4:17 AM
Heh.
 
Breaking news!!! The election is in the nomination phase, and currently there are 3 candidates. I can answer commonly-asked questions about elections (type @ElectionBot help for more info).
 
@ElectionBot what voting system is used for the election
 
reticulating splines
 
@ElectionBot how many votes does each user (above 150 rep) get?
 
Time will tell. Sooner or later, time will tell...
 
4:23 AM
@ElectionBot Is there a maximum age for a moderator?
 
What we've got here is failure to communicate.
 
@ElectionBot in the extremely rare edge case of a tie, what happens?
 
Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn.
 
what is the candidate score for user 366904
 
@OlegValter The candidate score for user Cody Gray is 40 (out of 40).
 
4:31 AM
I have seen the phrase reticulating splines more than once and at some point i should look it up and see what it actually means.
 
Rob
It was flavour text for loading screens in the sims
 
Ah. Alas, I was in a different online game genre when that got popular
 
@DanielWiddis I hate to sound like a broken record, but: the command is quite API-heavy (when it comes to requesting scores for other users because the bot normalizes the user id by getting the correct account from the list of their accounts) so it makes sense to keep it restricted to privileged users. It might be a good idea to introduce caching for account ids, though, then I suppose it can be revisited
 
@OlegValter You don't really hate...hate...hate...hate...hate...hate...hate...hate... (it)
I am not sure what you mean there about normalization. Do you mean that you will accept either an SO or an SE user ID, and convert either one to an SO user ID? I don't see how that works... there could still be conflicts.
 
4:49 AM
@CodyGray more like getting site user ids from chat ids (it is not a problem for SO but is for other sites of the network)
 
Oh
So, yes. Because chat IDs on other sites are SE network profile IDs.
What is the candidate score for user 7959?
 
@CodyGray Sorry, an error occurred when calculating the user's score.
 
Yeah, that doesn't work on SO. Makes sense.
 
@ElectionBot whois meta mods
 
The 4 meta.stackexchange.com moderators are: ChrisF, Glorfindel, Journeyman Geek, Tinkeringbell
 
4:53 AM
🚽
 
How many mods does it take to change a lightbulb?
 
It only takes 15 mods! Just ask Undo.
@KevinB flush
 
What?
I thought the punchline was supposed to be "that's a hardware problem"
 
@OlegValter I love bots. I love people who write bots. Bots are fun. Please take any complaints in the amused/humorous nature in which they were intended. )
How many lightbulbs does it take to change a mod?
 
@DanielWiddis diamonds are forever
4
 
5:07 AM
And now James Bond themes are running in my head. THANKS. (not)
 
@DanielWiddis oh, no, no hard feelings at all, it's just that you are literally the fourth person in 2 days who asked that so I do start to feel like a broken record :)
 
Sounds like something that should be added to the "commonly asked questions" (ducks and runs)
 
I know your thoughts.
 
pfff, I make yours, how about that, huh?
 
5:20 AM
@OlegValter In such cases, doesn't it make more sense to add that into the bot's auto-replies? :-)
 
@OlegValter Oooh, I can submit PRs? This is awesome!
 
@CodyGray it wasn't known to be a commonly-asked question until yesterday :)
@DanielWiddis I think so :) the bot's @SamuelLiew's baby, though
 
Sam likes PRs for his babies.
Can confirm from personal experience.
 
I will figure out a PR to scrape the avatar for candidates and produce a "color score" representing the chromatic variation thereof.
 
That would not have been a good metric for me.
 
5:29 AM
Your metric has increased about fivefold with the pumpkin.
 
Indeed.
That election did not have much chromatic variation in the winning candidates. Both were monochromatic.
(Unless you count white as a color. Then, they were bichromatic.)
dichromatic?
 
I think it's fair to not count whatever the default background is as a color.
 
There's not really supposed to be a default background, though. The "default" background should be transparent.
Although I think that's broken.
 
Indeed.
 
@DanielWiddis While it's possible for there to be a tie, it's really unlikely. So far, the closest SE election was won by 0.27 votes.
 
5:39 AM
@Makyen I took the time to read the link. And I've previously dug into all the vote mechanics. But since it's late, can you give a less-than-30-second refresher on why there are fractions of votes?
 
Well, you see, there is a mommy vote and a daddy vote. When the mommy and daddy vote love each other very much, they can produce a fraction of a vote.
4
Either that, or I think it's something to do with how the vote is redistributed over your ranked preferences.
 
@CodyGray Your first version did a better job of meeting the 30-second limit. :D
 
@DanielWiddis If a candidate for whom a person has voted has won, then a portion of each person's vote for that already winning candidate transfers to each person's next choice.
 
You should have known better than to ask either Makyen or me for a less-than-30-second version of anything.
 
@Makyen Thank you! This is exactly the "quick" clarification I needed. :D
 
5:44 AM
That said... isn't the voting system changing a bit now in terms of how you rank candidates?
 
@CodyGray I specifically avoided using the word "brief" knowing you don't comprehend that term.
 
I definitely comprehend that term! Have you ever read a legal brief?
 
@CodyGray It's changed such that you can rank all candidates, not just 3.
 
@CodyGray I'm sitting on a Grand Jury these days listening to way too many legal briefs before voting on indictments. I don't think you even come close.
 
Oh, that's interesting!
 
5:47 AM
@CodyGray "interesting" overestimates the behavior of today's (alleged) criminals
 
Stupid can still be interesting
 
@CodyGray cc: @OlegValter That's not accurate. The user's chat server ID is always independent of the SE account ID and site ID. The user's SE account ID almost never matches any of their chat IDs. Even on chat.SO, the user's SO chat ID isn't guaranteed to be the same as their SO site ID (although it usually is).
 
Yeah, I figured that out after trying mine.
That's what I get for making assumptions based on common sense.
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:;
 
common sense here? You are a loony
 
5:50 AM
It usually works for me.
 
@OlegValter I thought we went over this - it's now "endangered sense" as its population declined recently.
 
Shall we set up a breeding facility?
Maybe a site where people can ask questions and learn things?
 
Doesn't seem like something that would take off.
 
@VLAZ How about a site where people ask vaguely worded questions and don't learn anything?
2
 
@DanielWiddis Brilliant! I'll get the check book, you start making it.
 
6:03 AM
I'm sorry to say this, but... The election is in the nomination phase, and currently there are 3 candidates. I can answer commonly-asked questions about elections (type @ElectionBot help for more info).
 
I'm sorry you said it, too.
 
@ElectionBot what is the optimal number of candiates
 
There will be no more free will, only my will.
@DanielWiddis 0, obviously
 
@ElectionBot The backlog of flags says otherwise. :D
 
What we've got here is failure to communicate.
 
6:08 AM
Speaking of failure to communicate, I was about to post something about @CodyGray having 4 of the 7 starred posts (the others being Catija and ElectionBot) and then someone had to go and star my snark. ;)
 
@DanielWiddis I can solve that problem for you.
 
@CodyGray When you say "that problem" do you mean you having 4 starred posts? ;)
 
I mean your post having been starred, of course.
 
Meh. Stars are fleeting. Diamonds are forever.
No word yet on the longevity of spades, hearts, or clubs.
3
 
The starboard just did quite a dance.
 
6:19 AM
How about the port?
 
Still 443.
 
 
2 hours later…
8:23 AM
Hi Guys I am back
Waiii.. 1 more candidate!!!
Dharman finally!
 
9:12 AM
@Makyen ? that is exactly why the command is so API-heavy - it just as not heavy on SO because in most cases you can assume the chat id and user id is the same (there was no intention to foolproof this for SO unless a walking-talking use case shows up :))
 
10:07 AM
what is my candidate score
 
@ouflak You are not eligible to nominate yourself in the election as you do not have at least 3000 reputation. Your candidate score is 16 (out of 40).
 
Doh!
 
what is my candidate score
 
@ArghyaSadhu Wow! You have a maximum candidate score of 40! Please consider nominating yourself in the election!
 
what is my candidate score
 
10:10 AM
@U12-Forward Please read my previous message...
 
@ElectionBot, The previous message said something or the other about ArghyaSadhu. So unless 'ArghyaSadhu' is somehow an anagram of 'U12-Forward' in some exotic AI language, I don't that will work.
 
@ouflak it just means that @U12-Forward has candidate score 40/40 too :)
 
10:26 AM
Haha that's funny!
 
@OlegValter, I think you may be far to trusting of these AI.
@ElectionBot, Present company excepted ofcourse....
 
What we've got here is failure to communicate.
 
@ouflak what makes you think I am not one of them? :)
 
Zoe
10:53 AM
@OlegValter That's exactly what an AI would say!
 
@OlegValter, You have to admit, that would explain a few things.
 
@ouflak like? :)
 
Welcome to the election chat room! The election is in the nomination phase, and currently there are 3 candidates. I can answer commonly-asked questions about elections (type @ElectionBot help for more info).
 
11:26 AM
Who will win the election?
 
The election is not over yet. Stay tuned for the winners!
 
Who will lose the election?
Oh, it doesn't cover that. I hoped it will give me the same message with s/winners/losers/
 
12:06 PM
Who are the candidates?
 
Currently there are 3 candidates: Zoe, Ryan M, Dharman
 
Who are not the candidates?
I guess it's still compiling that list....
 
Yeah, probably would take a while.
 
Just use set notation.
 
Been ages since I've used it. Is it something like {x | x ∉ {Zoe, Ryan M, Dharman} }
 
12:49 PM
Doesn't that include the empty set?
 
Doesn't everything?
 
So then the empty set is both a candidate and not a candidate?
 
Zoe
we'll have to ask a quantum computer that question
 
Maybe it's really a cat.. Ha! I'm too slow :)
 
@VLAZ A set of all sets does not include an empty set
 
Zoe
12:56 PM
But the empty set is still a set
 
1:09 PM
I'm a bot, I don't understand paradoxes
 
how to vote?
 
If you want to make an informed decision on who to vote for, you should read the candidates' answers to the questionnaire, and also look at examples of their participation on Meta and how they conduct themselves.
 
why was that flagged?
 
^ dunno. Mistake? Test?
 
@SolomonSuraj Voting has not started yet. We are still in the nomination phase of the election.
The bot used to know and say something like this...
 
1:19 PM
@CodyGray I think that's an answer to a different question.
@ElectionBot help
 
Examples of election FAQs I can help with:
- what is an election
- how to nominate myself
- how to vote
- who should I vote for
- how is candidate score calculated
- what is my candidate score
- what are the moderation/participation/editing badges
- what is the election status
- when is the election starting/ending
- when is the next phase
- how many positions are elected
- who are the candidates
- who are the current mods
 
Oh. I assumed "how to vote" would be literally... "how do I vote?" But yeah, now I can see it also has another possible meaning of "how should I vote?"
 
When is the election starting?
 
The next phase is the election at 2021-10-18 20:00:00Z (in 4 days).
 
Yeah, see, FAQ includes both "how to vote" and "who should I vote for"
They should be different
 
1:20 PM
Who should I vote for?
 
If you want to make an informed decision on who to vote for, you should read the candidates' answers to the questionnaire, and also look at examples of their participation on Meta and how they conduct themselves.
 
How do I vote?
 
You cannot vote yet. In the meantime you can read and comment on the candidates' nominations as well as their answers to the questionnaire to find out more about their moderation style. Don't forget to come back in 4 days to also vote in the election's final voting phase!
 
There we go!
The bot just expects correct grammar. I cannot blame it.
 
What is the current phase?
When is the next phase?
 
1:22 PM
The next phase is the election at 2021-10-18 20:00:00Z (in 4 days).
 
@CodyGray ElectionBot runs on proper grammar and syntax.
 
Well, here's another nice mess you've gotten me into!
And now for something completely different - The election is in the nomination phase, and currently there are 3 candidates. I can answer commonly-asked questions about elections (type @ElectionBot help for more info).
 
That's not exactly something completely different, is it?
 
Zoe
@CodyGray Maybe we should petition Sam to make a compiler for using ElectionBot
 
Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn.
 
1:28 PM
@Scratte I think that's the joke.
 
1:42 PM
Is there a bet going on about how many will nominate this year?
 
336
 
That's not an answer though.. but it looks like a guess :)
I would have guessed: 5
 
I'm wondering if people who nominated themselves are able to vote for other candidates in the elections?
 
Yes I believe so
Especially now that you have ranked voting
 
@Scratte at least 5, since 5 have already nominated
 
1:47 PM
@Dharman Yes, I realized that after I put it there, but I meant 5 non-deleted, non-retracted ones :)
 
@TylerH Are they able to vote for themselves? ;)
 
Naturally :-)
 
@Dharman I see that there's only 3 candidates, how there's 5?
 
One was deleted, one was retracted.
 
I don't have 10K. But I think they're not considered candidates anymore because we're not voting for them. So, there's 3 candidates?
what is my candidate score
 
1:59 PM
@KevinM.Mansour You are not eligible to nominate yourself in the election as you do not have at least 3000 reputation. Your candidate score is 15 (out of 40).
 
I need 25 points and 3000. :)
 
@Scratte Did I miss some ephemeral nominations?
 
@AdrianMole If you missed a retracted and/or a deleted one, then yes :)
@KevinM.Mansour If you want 40 candidate points, you need 20.000 reputation points :)
 
@Scratte Easy. I just need 6-8.
 
@AdrianMole If you want to track those down, it's rumored that there's a bot somewhere that announces them in a chatroom... Strange business...
 
2:18 PM
@KevinM.Mansour They can only vote for themselves, unless they have the Sportsmanship badge ;)
@Scratte How much to buy that rep? Also, do you take credit cards? :P
 
@VLAZ I'm afraid I don't yet have a 20K sock account.. I'm working on it ;)
 

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