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9:27 PM
looks like this works :)
so whats up ?
 
9:40 PM
hey
As always
you solved this before for me
I have a big challenge
Clustering teeth : )
I have got a very good idea
but need your input
segmenting teeth
 
all teeth individualy one by one or just separate teeth as a block from other stuf ?
 
indvidualy
 
9:55 PM
hmm my first idea is to do a partial derivation in x and y, threshold big slopes that would create "lines" from the boundaries between teeth
and then just segmentate/label using flood fill
 
I got an idea
Where I get the normals
because there are curvatures
 
and maybe some morphologic oprations before it
 
then do K means on the points and normals
but that's 3D ?
 
that might be dependent on the shape and lighting conditions
IIRC this stackoverflow.com/a/37046721/2521214 is similar to what I proposed
 
yes but that's 2D Problem
I'm doing it on 3D
 
9:59 PM
You got 3D input?>
in what form
PCL
or depth image
or what?
 
3D Mesh
ct scan is also provided as slices
then a volume is rendered
 
hmm then youre right normal change is the way
 
what does "skimn" mean?
 
skim
the paper
Do you know you helped me with that issues ( Spatial & temporal depth ) and Collision on WG Coordinates, and also Implementing fixtures for 3D Printing
You are a god
like John Carmak
 
10:04 PM
ohh "skim" is like "take" now I see it in dictionary ... I was thinking it was some acronym I do not know :)
 
like skip the paper
 
10:15 PM
if I read/understand the introdution correctly they are fitting "hard coded" human teeth mesh (skeleton) to the input data (instead of segmentating it) and then just use the hardcoded mesh regions (individual teeth in hard coded mesh) mapped to the input PCL. ... however this is far from my cup of tea so I might be wrong ...
 
looks like a hard problem :)
 
maybe not as hard
they compute convergence points
which are like local centers of mases or clusters
And then just use interpolation between hardcoaded and real data
its like computing the "centers" of each teeths for both input and hardcoded mesh
and then just map the knwon edges of teeth from hardcoded mesh into the input PCL
 
what is a hardcoded mesh ?
 
etalone
 
I mean they define the teeth themselves ?
I wanna do that automatically
 
10:22 PM
so they have mesh of perfect teeth that is already segmented
and they just fit the scanned data to it
however abnormal patient scans will fail with this method
it is automatic
and also the mesh might not be a mesh
it could be just the positions of the teeth and planes that separates neigboring teeth
its similar to human 3D perception
 
I didn't understand anything
do you have a better idea ?
 
if you know how cube look like you can see a cube even if it is slightly deformed
 
how about my idea
won't work ?
I plan to do that
 
normal based detection could work however you will probably need a huge post processing filling the gaps ...
also repaired teeth sometimes do not have any border region (curvature change)
so for such teeth your method will fail
 
oh
how about using the slices
to segment the teeth based on the 2D slice
 
10:35 PM
its the same as in 3D
 
like that
by the way I left Austria now I'm in Egypt
I also broke the residence permit in a live video that I hate that country
due to racssim
 
hmm from that you can compute the centers of teeth per slice and interpolate between slices
 
when I was at the flight
 
well You need to forgive us ... we central european have racism encoded in genes
but not all is biology some is history related :(
 
Yea
Do you have a clever idea of segmenting the teeth : )
It should be patented
is it a hard topic ?
 
10:40 PM
all DIP (digital image processing) stuff is just trial and error ... the more you do the stuff the more you got the feeling for the subject and can find the correct solution for given task faster/easily
I would do segmentation on each slice
and then merge the result between all slices filling in the gaps
 
then ?
 
there is no then
after the merger you got the teeth in 3D
do you have any sample data ... with reasonable size (I mean small and not few GBytes of data) ...
 
of the slices ?
or the 3D Mesh
 
what formats?
 
ply
 
10:46 PM
can you convert to obj or stl ?
I do not have ply loader encoded yet
 
the first one is OK
it loads in my viewer
will try to code it in C++ but not today ... its too late and there is too much wine in my veins right now :)
will get back tomorrow ...
 
Thanks
I will keep the chat on
 
ok me too ...
Ok I going off as its getting late and I did not sleep much ...
bye
 
11:04 PM
bye bye
 

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