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11:34 AM
@Ann Which project? Why?
@Ann I dunno why ppw hasn't come either here or in our MSE café for over 24 hours...
 
@AnnZen I appreciate and respect your desire and efforts to start another chatroom to help moderate/curate our site. However, I'm not sure that your current format/mission is destined for success. How would you feel about spearheading a possible "Reopen Review" room, as suggested here?
Like I said in my comment on that answer, I'd also be happy to help out (insofar as I can) with any effort you made to do that.
Also, that wouldn't be seen so much as a 'second class' SOCVR, but as a valuable complement.
 
@Adrian That's a good idea. I'll ask Ann about it when she comes back. Thanks for your advice!
 
Always keen to support those who want to help our site! :-)
 
@Adrian Thanks!
 
I just want to give an idea, I think reviewing is a good topic to attract folks and make a successful chat room. But "Friendly Chats" is even better, that's something everyone appreciates...So perhaps you may want to place more emphasis on the friendliness - because that's really the only thing that is needed.
 
11:46 AM
@bad_coder Thanks for your advice! I'll let Ann consider this.
 
Now, a friendly and successful chat room depends only on the regulars who are willing to consistently invest their time in being present - and being friendly. I can say AnnZen has always been friendly and TechExpert also seems to be friendly, so if you decide to be present and engaged I'll drop in every now and again.
 
@bad_coder OK, thanks!
 
@TechExpertWizard sure, good chat room builds itself up over time. I wish you success with your project and I'll contribute my presence when I can. (Thank you for our kind acknowledgement.)
 
@bad_coder Thanks!
 
12:02 PM
Actually, @Ann, when I said "the bot is mine" I meant I own the account, although there is a way for me to transfer ownership of the account to you or ppw if I find that necessary. So no one can ever accuse you of using this account after your main account somehow gets suspended.
 
 
1 hour later…
1:04 PM
Hi @Ann!
 
@TechExpertWizard ohk
@TechExpertWizard hi
 
Hi @Ann! Please look at the above messages from Adrian and bad_coder ;)
 
@AdrianMole @bad_coder Thanks!
 
@AnnZen And, still don't understand why you can't participate in it. Could you please explain?
@Ann? So, first, can you participate in it now that I've clarified what I meant? Second, do you think we should change this to reopen vote or whatever?
 
@TechExpertWizard risky
 
1:07 PM
@Ann Um, but why is it risky? You don't own the account, I do... I'm not your sister and our IP address aren't the same...
 
@TechExpertWizard the association is pretty close
 
@Ann Oh, you mean mods might think you asked me to transfer ownership of the account to you if you got suspended?
 
@TechExpertWizard ok
 
@Ann Um, OK what? First or second?
 
@TechExpertWizard no,
@TechExpertWizard it's linked, you can check
 
1:09 PM
@Ann I know it's linked, but it's linked to that message in which I talked about two things...
 
oh, the second
 
@Ann ohk ;) Then let's change it now!
 
ok
 
room topic changed to SO Reopen Vote Reviewers: High standards for proposals, friendlier chit chat, probably only a few users will be there. [discussion] [moderation] [review]
 
um, wouldn't that be too similar to the other room?
 
1:11 PM
@Ann Um, uh, well... Wait a sec, but remember bad_coder said that friendly chit chat is important? This new name won't reflect it anymore...
 
@TechExpertWizard please don't edit messages like that.
 
@Ann I think you mean the "Done!" message, right?
 
@TechExpertWizard I guess I'm confused
 
@Ann It's okay, I changed it back ;)
 
thanks!
 
1:13 PM
@Ann You're welcome!! I'm sure you didn't mean this one, right?
3 mins ago, by Tech Expert Wizard
@Ann ohk ;) Then let's change it now!
 
yep
 
@Ann Good 😉 Um, now what are we gonna do? 😉
@AnnZen Then let's make a deal. I won't transfer ownership of the bot account to you, okay? 😉
 
room topic changed to Reopen Vote Reviewers of SO: High standards for proposals, friendlier chit chat, probably only a few users will be there. [discussion] [moderation] [review]
 
@Ann Oh, good idea 😉
room topic changed to Reopen Vote Reviewers of SO: High standards for proposals, friendlier chit chat. [discussion] [moderation] [review]
@Ann There, this is even better 😉 ^^^^^^^^^
 
nah, I like letting users know how only a few users will be in here
 
1:16 PM
@Ann But that's not true 'cause it's not gonna be true...
 
Please stop editing historical events.
 
@Ann Historical events? What historical events?
in SORVR Request Graveyard, 10 secs ago, by Tech Expert Wizard
room topic changed to SORVR Request Graveyard: This room is ONLY to receive action requests (cv-pls, etc.) from SOCVR; it is intended as an archive for easy searching. DO NOT TALK HERE. (no tags)
@Ann How's this?
in SORVR Request Graveyard, 14 secs ago, by Tech Expert Wizard
room topic changed to SORVR Request Graveyard: This room is ONLY to receive action requests (ro-pl, etc.) from SORVR; it is intended as an archive for easy searching. DO NOT TALK HERE. (no tags)
@Ann? ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
@Ann You should remove
> My appeal is still pending...
@Ann in your profile section...
@Ann 'Cause your appeals already finished, right? Or you wouldn't be able to chat here ;)
 
@TechExpertWizard moving messages
 
@Ann ohk ;)
in RVRSO Request Graveyard, 26 secs ago, by Tech Expert Wizard
room topic changed to RVRSO Request Graveyard: This room is ONLY to receive action requests (ro-pl, etc.) from RVRSO; it is intended as an archive for easy searching. DO NOT TALK HERE. (no tags)
@Ann I think this would be better, right?
 
@TechExpertWizard no, it's still pending, the suspension is merely over, but it doesn't prove me innocent
 
1:22 PM
@Ann Oh... Why haven't they proven you innocent yet? Of course you're innocent; that was your sister, not you...
 
@TechExpertWizard users don't believe it, or at least they claim they don't...
 
@Ann But I believe it ;)
 
Thanks ^^
 
@Ann You're welcome. Guess what? It's hard for me to believe that a lot of people don't believe that you're innocent...
 
If I ever get into such a situation again, it'll be a 1 year suspension.
 
1:26 PM
@Ann Really? By the way, how long was that suspension?
 
a month
gave me time to participate on other sites
 
@Ann Oh... :( I think you should tell your sister not to participate on SO or something...
 
Overall, I think it's best to not discuss anything associated with past suspensions. Let bygones be bygones - as Mr Mandela said. (I shall say the same to anyone else, in other rooms, who raises this issue, too!) Let's try to look forwards ...
 
Oh, I made it very clear!
 
Good idea, @Adrian :)
@Ann Made what very clear to whom? Your sister?
 
1:28 PM
@Tech Nah, moving forward.
 
@Ann OK, good idea, I don't wanna talk about that darn suspension of yours... I hate suspensions, especially when it's a suspension of you...
 
Need to work up an 'outline' strategy for the room. Maybe ping those in the Meta post I linked, to see if they want to help out.
 
@Adrian An outline strategy?
 
How the room will work. What the rules are. What the mission is. Command/request formats. Et cetera...
 
1:30 PM
@Adrian Oh, that's a good idea :) By the way, what do you think of this room?

 RVRSO Request Graveyard

This room is ONLY to receive action requests (ro-pl, etc.) fro...
 
@Ann Goodbye!
@Adrian Goodbye!
 
It would be nice to have a similar structure to SOCVR. But I know very little about userscripts and bots and things. If we can get a few of the "power users" on board, we can ask for help from those who set up SOCVR. I'm sure they'd be happy to offer advice, at least.
 
@Tech ...
 
I pinged a couple of the people in the Meta post I linked earlier. Let's see if they pop in to say, "Hello."
Link to the Meta.SO post that 'inspired' this room.
Also, I think we should not be pinning so many messages. Only those that are suitable - but I don't want to become too bossy, to quickly. :)
Let's at least try to look professional.
 
2:01 PM
@AnnZen don't worry about that, there are actually smart people on this site that don't let their judgement be clouded by personal attacks. The people you want to impress, are not the ones who pick futile arguments with you (that does reflect negatively but only on them).
 
Thanks for the invite. My dream originally was to exclusively cater to those who post reopen requests here instead of going through the reopen queue. Finishing up the reopen queue seems contradictory to the room's purpose as most questions are not worth reopening and it creates negative impressions of users. I think the queue should be left out of any reopen room's purpose.
 
@TheMaster I agree. We should certainly allow people to ask for help on their own posts: after they've edited them, or asking how they can improve them. Also, we should not (like SOCVR) forbid requests on posts that one is involved with (i.e. has answered).
In terms of a "Headline Mission Statement" - any ideas?
Should this room be (partly) a help centre for those who want their closed questions reopened? Then, if/when sufficient edits are made, we send our big guns (3K+ folks) into action.
 
@AdrianMole I'm ok with that. But what were the problems socvr faced with own questions? We can learn something from their experience.
 
@AdrianMole yes
 
@AdrianMole That'd be great. Something like or would be great.
 
2:14 PM
@TheMaster Very much so. I wasn't around in the early days of SOCVR, so can't say much about that. I can try to get some of their founders/owners/regulars to help out in here, though.
 
Why do you want to reopen questions. Can we not delete them instead?
I am ready to delete some
 
We can use a 'suitably modified' version of Dharman's avatar as the Room Logo ...
 
@Dharman good to see you :)
 
@Dharman Of corse, many/most of those in the reopen queue are eminently worthy of deletion. But why not offer help to those who seek it? Some questions can be edited into shape.
 
@Dharman SODVR?
 
2:22 PM
hehe
 
According to my profile I have cast 140 reopen votes, so it does happen but very rarely
 
@AnnZen Dharman and AdrianMole are very good persons. (but AdrianMole likes getting on my nerves sometimes, it's not a problem. barely an inconvenience :D )
 
@bad_coder Just wait until I start trying to annoy you! Then you'll understand. ;-P
I doubt there are many users who have used their full daily quota of reopen votes ... ever.
 
@TheMaster perhaps not the most fortunate choice of acronym 🤔 (@AdrianMole I vaguely recall hearing something similar on the BBC...)
@AdrianMole I've had my daily quota of reopen reviews, but not of votes (that'd be quite an achievement.)
 
You cast 40 reopen votes in a single day? Wow.
 
2:28 PM
@AdrianMole we can stay with the milder "getting on my nerves" it's good enough :)
 
Do every closed question automatically go to the reopen queue after edited?
 
@AnnZen Yes.
 
@AnnZen I think only exception is if one of the users that cast the close vote edits it (meaning one of those 3 at max, or less if a gold badge user was involved.)
 
That's why we should avoid the queue and the quota and focus exclusively on requests made here. I think that's sane.
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@TheMaster yes that makes sense.
 
2:32 PM
@bad_coder I have different vibes for a lot of users now.
 
@AnnZen That can be a major problem, actually. If someone other than the OP makes even a trivial edit, that pushes it in to Reopen queue. Assuming it then doesn't get reopened, any subsequent edit from the actual poster doesn't do that.
So, it would be nice if they can then come here, saying why they think their question is now good enough to reopen. And we can say "No," if it isn't, of course. Or offer advice on further improvements.
 
@AnnZen well at the beginning getting an accurate impression is difficult, but it gets easier over time.
 
We could even be a "try this room" suggestion on Meta, when users go there for help.
... note that a quick search on Meta.SO for why was my question closed gives over 1,000 hits. Maybe we could help Meta.
 
Ohh. New room with familiar user / RO @shadow-wizard-is-ear-for-you :)
 
Hello, @Shree.
 
2:43 PM
@Shree ohh I just notice, AdrianMole is also RO. (and hello o/ good to see you)
 
Hello :)
 
a lot of stars are given...
 
@bad_coder So be careful. Very careful! ;)
 
@AdrianMole shivers :| ...
 
hehe
 
2:44 PM
Needs bot to keep the room alive or just frequent chat made it :D
 
Well, with @bad_coder around, there'll never be a lack of chat! :)
 
:D
\o @bad_coder
 
I'm not very chatty :|
 
@Shree wdym familiar user?
 
2:50 PM
have to be off, be back later o/
 
@Tech Did Dalija request write access?
 
@AnnZen He is my Meta guider and he has a separate room. He helps me to understand meta and many more on the dark side of SE. He knew me :).
rene's bot runs on his roo to keep the room alive. :D
 
@Shree Separate room? You mean
yesterday, by Ann Zen
I need to go now, bye ^^
 
Yep, you catch me. The humble person I meet on SE. \o
No rules applied in this room besides friendly chit chat?
Or RO have some homework to write rules :)
 
3:09 PM
@Shree We're still thinking about how to set up a basic set of rules. Some discussion already in SOCVR. We don't want to cause any conflict with their rules.
 
I'm not sure being deferent to their rules helps. From my perspective, this room has a different goal from SOCVR in educating users about the reopening process and going over specific examples. IMO that's enough to stand on its own.
 
But, just like SOCVR, we cannot and must not end up being seen as a 'private' version of Meta. If that happens, moderators or staff will likely take action against the room and its owners.
 
@AdrianMole can you elaborate .
 
For the specific example, having people request help with reopening their own questions, since this is focusing on education it seems more ok. As long as the focus is on the learning and not the outcome. Not just a reopen plz.
 
Interesting room :)
 
3:16 PM
@Shree If a post is being discussed on Meta and in here at the same time, there is a risk of "division" between the members here and the much wider Community of Meta.
 
Maybe one can ask why one's Question was closed in here then :) Since.. those questions have gotten binned in SOCVR as of late.
 
@Scratte Sorry - you'll need 3K rep. to chat in here! ;-P
 
Ohh.. sorry.
 
Pfft...
 
@AdrianMole argh, foiled again
 
3:16 PM
@AnnZen Sorry, I left at the time...
Hi @Adrian! Hi @Scratte! Hi @code11! Hi @Shree! Looks like a lot of people are here right now :)
 
o/
 
@code11 Hi!
@AdrianMole Um, why?
 
@TechExpertWizard Just a joke. I think @Scratte realized that.
 
@Adrian I figured it was a joke by the time you said that :)
@Adrian Hmm, let's see who else should be RO :) By the way, you're already RO so you can also give other people RO status :)
 
@TechExpertWizard Let's keep things calm, for the moment. Just let things settle into shape for a few days, at least.
 
3:21 PM
@Adrian Oh, good idea.
Hi @PMah!
@AdrianMole Um, how can we have a room logo?
@Shree Yep, sha is RO here :)
@AnnZen Yeah...
@AnnZen Nope, and he's not RO right now...
@AdrianMole Now, what about the rules?
@Adrian Why has everything become so quiet after I came in?
 
@TechExpertWizard Yeah, but they have explicit write access.
 
Hi @Ann!
 
hi
 
@Ann Hi!
@AnnZen Huh? Who did that?!
Huh? @Ann?
 
3:36 PM
misclick
 
@Ann ohk ;)
@bad_coder Yep, I made Adrian RO ;)
 
@bad_coder You're RO now too :)
 
@Ann Please... bad_coder said he'd come in here often, so I added him as RO. And just please stop referencing that message, okay?
 
3:40 PM
I don't think everyone who comes often should be RO...
 
@Ann I think so, at least maybe the first 3 people who decide to do that...
 
Besides, they never said they wanted the position anyway.
 
Yeah. Over-use of pings, pins, stars and other moderation stuff must stop, if this room is ever going to be taken seriously. This is Stack Overflow, not Reddit.
 
@Ann Meh, but I believe they should be...
@Adrian OK, OK... But you guys were almost going crazy with the pins and stars while I was away... And, I actually haven't done that...
 
3:43 PM
@Ann OK, but don't remove Adrian...
 
^^
 
@Ann I said, please don't remove Adrian...
@Adrian Now, let's please get to the real stuff, reopening closed questions that shouldn't be :)
@Ann ^^^
 
@TechExpertWizard What's your interpretation of the ^ symbol?
 
@Ann It means "look at the above message."
 
@TechExpertWizard haha
 
3:49 PM
@Ann Why "haha"?
 
This room will be closed down pretty fast if it starts to deal with moderating content unless something is done to keep come kind of order.
Be absolutely sure that anyone and everyone that is a room owner fully understands the responsibility that it entails. Which includes moderating users in the room.
 
@Scratte Yeah, I know, I want people to start dealing with the real reopening stuff...
 
@Scratte Exactly. We need to be seen as acting responsibly and within the rules of the site.
 
@Adrian Yes, all ROs must be acting within the rules of the site.
 
@TechExpertWizard Then I think you should stop treating everyone that joins the room as someone that has equal responsibility.
 
3:51 PM
@AnnZen thanks. I don't think I would be a good RO (I can't take on such a responsibility right now) and that takes a special kind of person. But if one day you let me try being RO for 1 or 2 hours I would enjoy the experience.
 
@Scratte OK. I will only consider appointing someone as RO if they request so.
 
@Scratte Yeah. Me still looking for unquestionable reopen proposals...
 
And also ask before making somebody a RO. You didn't ask me, but I'll wear the hat for the time being.
 
@Adrian Thanks :)
 
@TechExpertWizard If they request so, you should also consider if they will honor it. How do you know someone that already is a Room Owner will honor it?
 
3:53 PM
@Scratte Well...
 
@bad_coder ok
 
@bad_coder If you demonstrate a sense of responsibility in this room, I will consider appointing you as RO after a week.
@Ann Do you plan to appoint bad_coder as RO?
 
@TechExpertWizard and please discuss with existing ROs before doing so :)
 
@Ann Yes, I was about to say that...
 
@Scratte @AnnZen Scratte is right and this is very important. You need to be careful with who becomes RO and what is said and done in here. Chats are successful because RO's know very well what the rules are.
 
3:54 PM
At the moment, the user who most needs to demonstrate a "sense of responsibility" is @TechExpertWizard.
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@bad_coder Well, I do, and so does Ann and Adrian :)
@Adrian OK, OK...
@Adrian But how can I do that? I've got nothing to demonstrate it with...
 
The other thing that needs to be done is outlining what the purpose of the room is. What can people do in here? What can they not do in there? It's best to have a list of rules offsite that is a FAQ.
 
@Scratte Yes, Adrian was going to do it. Right @Adrian?
 
@TechExpertWizard not necessary, I can do it too
 
@Ann Yes, I know, anyone (even me) can do it :)
 
3:57 PM
@TechExpertWizard please consider that managing a chat room is anything but easy. If you look at the Python chat FAQ it is very complex, and if you look at the SOCVR FAQ it is even longer...It's advisable to take things slow and easy at the beginning.
 
@AnnZen Thanks. I don't have ready access to an off-site resource.
 
I mean this is no ordinary room, like I have one that's just chit-chat about how to make user script. This room is related to moderation, and as such you can expect moderator and community managers to watch this room very closely. Anything you do in here will determine the fate of the room.
 
@Adrian Yeah, we need a new website like socvr.org
 
@TechExpertWizard So perhaps don't place the bundle on a specific user :)
 
@Ann Let's all do it together :)
 
3:58 PM
@TechExpertWizard No. Let Ann set up a site and then, when she's ready, she can ask for our contributions.
 
@Adrian Yes, I meant after someone sets up a site.
 
@TechExpertWizard maybe it's too early for a site
 
You do not have to have a server.. you can put the rules on github.
 
@Ann I don't know.
 
Do you have a GitHub account?
 
3:59 PM
@Adrian I do.
@Scratte Good idea, but I want this room to be as professional as SOCVR :)
 
No :) I'm not a Room Owner. I'm just giving advice ;)
 
@Scratte good idea
 
@Scratte Yes, I know you're not RO yet. But do you want to be?
 
If you do the CNAME trick, github looks no different from a regular site
 
@Scratte Your advice is much appreciated. As is your participation.
 
4:00 PM
@Scratte Yes, we appreciate your valuable advice.
@code11 Um, could you please tell us how?
 
Sure, one sec
 
@code11 Thanks :)
 
Since the rules are not laid out so far, perhaps it should be made clear that room isn't ready to take requests for "How do I improve my post?"-questions :)
 
It walks you through the process.
 
@code11 Thanks!
@Scratte Good idea.
 
4:02 PM
@AdrianMole Agreed, and thank you so much for your support!
I need to go now, bye!
 
room topic changed to Reopen Vote Reviewers of SO: High standards for proposals, friendlier chit chat. Note: This room is not yet ready for reopen requests. [discussion] [moderation] [review]
Bye @Ann!
 
@TechExpertWizard No.. :) I do not want to have the responsibility of moderating users and be called out on meta with the pitchforks that people have there :) But thank you for asking me.
 
@Scratte Oh, OK. You're welcome :)
Huh? @Ann? You're back now?
 
I know we're not there yet, but one failure mode I can see is that someone posts a question, and they get mobbed. There might be a way of determining who is primarily responsible for interacting with a user?
 
@code11 Looks like I'm going to have to download and install GitHub Desktop now, which I never wanted to do...
@code11 Sorry, but I don't quite understand what you said.
 
4:05 PM
@TechExpertWizard Is it not possible to modify things directly on github?
 
@Scratte Yes, but if you want a GitHub Pages site, you need to download and install GitHub Desktop.
 
Who actually created this room, BTW?
 
@TechExpertWizard Is that true? I didn't see anything in there about that.
 
Anyway. Next is the rules: You have a disadvantage that SOCVR has been able to avoid in that it's the users themselves that will post their Questions in here and ask for advice. You'll need to be very clear about what they can ask and to what extend they may disagree with whatever you tell them. Expect some users to get furious if you say that their posts are not OK. You'll need to be able to deal with that under some definition of rules.
 
And then there's the problem of any simultaneous discussions about a post going on both here and on Meta. That could raise the Wrath of the Mods.
 
4:09 PM
Sorry, gotta go, bye!
@code11 Yes, they said that...
 
@AdrianMole Or if "we" do not handle a conflict well, the room may get frozen.
Hmm.. I think it's just their example of how to create a repository on github pushing one's local repository.
 
@Scratte Yep. I'm off to stock up on strong drink. Be bach shoon...
 
I'm back for a minute.
 
@TechExpertWizard How about How to Create a Repository on GitHub?
 
@Scratte Thanks, but I've already done that.
@AdrianMole Ann.
 
4:12 PM
@TechExpertWizard Can you not add a file to that?
 
@Scratte Let me show you my repository.
@Scratte Here.
 
@TechExpertWizard So use the same setup and put all your rules in an .md file.
 
@Scratte Yes, close votes don't have this disadvantage. No one'd want to have their own post close (well, almost no one).
@Scratte But what about the GitHub Desktop and GitHub Pages stuff?
 
@TechExpertWizard Ahh.. I didn't actually get into what GitHub pages are defined as.
 
Hi @Vic!
 
4:15 PM
o/ guys
 
@Scratte Vic is my best friend on SE :) Well, one of my best friends on SE. The others are you, Ann, Adrian, bad_coder, and sha.
 
@TechExpertWizard So the trick is that displaying the thing as a page requires a special repo whose name is the same as the username of the account. So this might entail the creation of a new github account.
 
@code11 Oh... But what about the CNAME stuff? I saw it say that I can change the site domain name to whatever I want if I use CNAME :)
 
What's the idea of this project? ;)
 
Hmm.. so that looks like all it needs is an index.html at its root.
But all that technical stuff is not really necessary and can be worked out later on, no?
a readme.md can perfectly list the rules until a nicer user interface is found.
@VictorVosMottor I think the idea is that people can post reopen-requests here for other people's posts and ask for assistance to get their own posts in good shape.
 
4:22 PM
@Scratte Oh, that's cool ;)
 
What's the purpose of "Reviewers Of SO Bot"?
@AdrianMole That was fast.. I though you'd be enjoying your time out ;)
 
@Scratte They wouldn't serve me any booze ... asked for age-ID! :-)
 
@AdrianMole Have you considered putting two lines on the 1 making it look like a 4? :)
 
Hmm.
 
Yes.. 43 3/4 seems to be old enough ;)
Since you cannot .reverse() digits on paper ;)
 
4:34 PM
... and cannot use HTML codes in chat.
 
So.. about the rules.
1. If someone isn't the author of the Question, but has Answered one, are they permitted to post a re-open request here?
2. If someone is the author of a Question, are they permitted to post a reopen request?
 
Don't see why not. Personally, though, I don't think we need any formal [ro-plz] type of requests. We should perhaps keep things more informal, at first. Dunno.
Although tagged requests make accounting and audits easier, I guess.
 
@AdrianMole Perhaps. But imagine the confusion when it's decided on the fly that it's not permitted :)
 
"Not permitted" may not be the same as "no, we're not voting to reopen that".
 
3. Are users required to say if it's the own post that they want to discuss?
 
4:37 PM
I would say "yes" to 3.
 
@AdrianMole Yes, that could be. So anyone that asks about their own posts should be aware that they can expect NO reopen votes on their posts. But that goes for any requests, no?
4. Should users be aware that posting their Question in here may get it deleted instead of reopened? (I think that's a possibility and perhaps they should be aware of it before they post)
 
Of course. But we'll need some kind of rule to prevent rejections turning into rants. These are the sort of thing that the early SOCVR folks had to learn to deal with. Which is why I asked in there for advice.
 
Yes, absolutely. Which is why I think "we" should make the distinction between posting a request and asking for assistance/advice.
 
And (4) is another area where the Meta crossover can bite. We don't want a RVRSO effect becoming notorious.
 
It could be as simple as: "If you're posing something of yours as a request, it will be removed. Re-post a message asking us kindly to help you instead."
 
4:42 PM
Part of me is already starting to think this whole concept may be "nice but not practical." If we end up being a substitute for Meta, then the mods may get upset. As also the Meta Community.
... but I'll stay optimistic, for now.
... at least we can try.
 
@AdrianMole Not sure what you mean. There's no accounting for lurkers in the room. Anywhere anyone posts a link to something, anything can happen to it.
 
@AdrianMole It's a universal rule. If a post has meta doesn't discuss it in the room. The same rule follows by sobotics. :)
 
@Shree Exactly!
 
I'm not sure about that. We've discussed meta posts in chat many times. We just don't make any decisions in chat rooms. It's like discussing a discussion.
 
If we could set up a Meta Canonical for "Why was my question closed?" then those who raise their closed Qs on Meta can be redirected there, which would link to here. Then their Meta Q could be closed (as a duplicate) and we'd be OK handling it here.
... just thinking aloud.
 
4:46 PM
There are too many posts that gets closed and users confused about it to be posted in meta.
 
Not sure what you mean by that. ^
 
@Vic Sorry, unfortunately, according to the new RO rules, you have to demonstrate a sense of responsibility before you can be an RO.
Hi @Adrian! I'm back now, at least for 5 minutes or so.
 
I envision the room to be more like me coming into the room saying "My post <link> was closed. I don't understand why and I don't know what to do to make it OK.".. with all the strange phrasing that goes with broken English variations of that.
 
You don't have to ping people all the time. I did notice that you were 'back'.
 
@Adrian Oh, sorry.
 
4:48 PM
New rule, discussion about meta is fine but don't judge the post. Broad line. Leave it for the community.
 
@Shree That seems like a good rule :)
 
@Scratte Oh, that's actually just a helper bot for this room, I'm still not sure what the bot's exactly supposed to do. What do you think it should do?
 
Yeah. We would have to make it very clear that they can't discuss it both here and on Meta. If they tried on Meta, and failed, then coming here will be blocked.
 
@AdrianMole Yeah...
@Adrian Yes, we don't want huge flocks of people coming here just to try to get there useless closed question reopened, that'd be bad. That's the problem with an RVRSO chatroom, actually...
 
Thats a trick. SOCVR has a niche where their primary activity, close moderation, is not on topic for meta. However, reopen and clarification about questions definitely is. That will need to be addressed somehow.
 
4:51 PM
What's the rep required to talk in chat? That would auto-block much of the trash, I guess.
 
@Adrian 20 rep. But still, I'm not sure if 20 rep is enough to ensure people who will trash this place won't come here.
 
20 rep is enough if OP willing to learn :0
 
@Shree If what?
 
Just stop pinging, please. Or I'm out of here.
 
4:52 PM
@TechExpertWizard Not anything until there a need to have one ;)
 
OK, I'll just give the bot enough rep to chat and give it write access here and I'll stall on it until we need it.
 
Don't ping unless its necessary , rule applied.
2
 
OK. Can we make a complete list of rules compiled so far?
 
@TechExpertWizard The bot have write access at 20 reputation point per default. You're not allowed to give it explicit write access in chat.
 
So, Shree comes in for a few minutes, and we already have 3 rules. Nice!
 
4:54 PM
:P
 
@Scratte I know, but if the bot's rep drops below 20 rep somehow, the explicit write access will ensure it can still talk.
 
Just try to suggest.
 
@Shree Thank you for your valuable advice here.
 
Very helpful. You've been active in moderation chatrooms far longer than anyone else in here.
 
@AdrianMole This is a rule you made. The order is: Us < meta. One can always try meta if we didn't do what people wanted. But not the other way around.
 
4:56 PM
Yes, of course we don't want people flocking to our room after meta won't help them.
 
Heh! I made one of the roolz. :-)
 
I haven't made a rule yet...
 
--roolz-- :)
 
How can I make a rule?
Or rool?
 
I thought you were the one taking the rules and writing them in a file to be uploaded on github :)
 
4:57 PM
Yes, I was about to do that but I had to leave.
 
Rule #5: TWE Can't make rules. xD
 
Why? Or is it a joke?
 
You need to understand that AdrianMole likes to make jokes. And they're usually funny too :)
 
Oh :)
OK, we've got 4 rules now, right?
 
Dunno. You're the one supposed to be recording them.
 
4:59 PM
Yes, we need another 87 before we're ready.
 
Yes, but that doesn't mean I can't make rules.
 
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